Vedder look out for Daughtry, he has set the new standard.

iluvcats

jammerfall wrote:

So I'm not losing it then, this thread did start in another forum! Phew.

yes, you can still see that it originated on the porch.

Jellyrolls

nowayimfaithfull wrote:

wtf are you talking about.

What great thing have they done for music.
They allienated rock and pushed rap and over did boy bands. And basically destroyed good rythum and blues.
And their isnt enough girl groups with out beeing teeny bopers, they get younger by the week, they have 15 year olds doing pre written american idol type crap.

Its like heres a 15 year old, lets keep them for 3 years, heres another 15 year old.
It was never this cheesey in the early nineties or before that. Their used to be way better mainstream music bands.They did original stuff.

American idol has taken over 30 percent of pop and they help these songs get written. Were the fuck is the originalty in that.

They fucked korn up.

If it were not for MTV in the nineties, a lot of our favorite bands would not be known to a lot of people. If it were not for MtV, would we have gotten that beautiful performance from Alice in chains called MTV UNPLUGGED? Or any other amazing unplugged performace. When pearl jam was shown on MTV, everyone just sat back and was like..who is this band?
And about the rap thing.. rap is an awesome genre if you know what to listen to..they played awesome rap back in the day
I agree that MTV sucks balls these days though, because there is no music involved.

So what were you saying?

nowayimfaithfull

Jellyrolls wrote:

If it were not for MTV in the nineties, a lot of our favorite bands would not be known to a lot of people. If it were not for MtV, would we have gotten that beautiful performance from Alice in chains called MTV UNPLUGGED? Or any other amazing unplugged performace. When pearl jam was shown on MTV, everyone just sat back and was like..who is this band?
And about the rap thing.. rap is an awesome genre if you know what to listen to..they played awesome rap back in the day
I agree that MTV sucks balls these days though, because there is no music involved.

So what were you saying?

Mtv was not responsible for the seattle outbreak bro. Go read up it was a full tidal wave befor it hit. It did help, and tghe unpluggesd series was good so was mtv when they first came ot, but you are talking like 5 years out of almost 30.
that is what I am saying.
I was not blind these bands did get played on there, but radio was also all over it so was the club scene, and alot of touring.

janegosford

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

It's soulless music sang by tools. Like I said earlier, they'll give any jack off who manages to win a popularity contest a record deal but there are thousands of amazing bands out there that will never get any kind of success and dissolve without so much as a small crowd at a local bar hearing them. It's a glorified cancer in music.

I'm an actress. The most talented don't always come out on top or find success. That's just how it is. This is how I make a living yet I don't get irrate over it. I don't bemoan or rant & rave endlessly about the crap movies or tv shows that get made. I'll come clean - I used to be that way. But I'm not anymore. Yeah it sucks but honestly it's just not a healthy way to live. I prefer to get upset over issues that are, in my opinion, more pressing. *shrugs*

The way I see it is like this...there's so many great filmmakers out there & actors that most people don't know about. Some I've worked with, some I haven't. I'm just glad that I've gotten the chance to experience their work. It would be nice if other people could too but it's not the end of the world for me that they haven't. It's the same way w/ music. There's good music out there, you just have to find it & when you do what the fuck does it matter if it's you & a million or only 100 other people enjoying it? If the art has inspired & moved me, I honestly couldn't give a fuck what anyone else thinks.

You'veGotRedOnYou

I haven't bothered to read a single post on this thread, but the title alone made me throw up a little. I sure as hell hope this isn't serious.

Pearl Jam and toast

You'veGotRedOnYou wrote:

I haven't bothered to read a single post on this thread, but the title alone made me throw up a little. I sure as hell hope this isn't serious.

An appropriate slamming has been issued i believe.

You'veGotRedOnYou

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

An appropriate slamming has been issued i believe.

Man, I'm glad to read that statement.

nowayimfaithfull

You'veGotRedOnYou wrote:

I haven't bothered to read a single post on this thread, but the title alone made me throw up a little. I sure as hell hope this isn't serious.

Please read my first post, I sure do not want to be labeld as some daughtry groupie, I put this on the porch as a joke and it was moved and now its a serious discussion.

nowayimfaithfull

janegosford wrote:

I'm an actress. The most talented don't always come out on top or find success. That's just how it is. This is how I make a living yet I don't get irrate over it. I don't bemoan or rant & rave endlessly about the crap movies or tv shows that get made. I'll come clean - I used to be that way. But I'm not anymore. Yeah it sucks but honestly it's just not a healthy way to live. I prefer to get upset over issues that are, in my opinion, more pressing. *shrugs*

The way I see it is like this...there's so many great filmmakers out there & actors that most people don't know about. Some I've worked with, some I haven't. I'm just glad that I've gotten the chance to experience their work. It would be nice if other people could too but it's not the end of the world for me that they haven't. It's the same way w/ music. There's good music out there, you just have to find it & when you do what the fuck does it matter if it's you & a million or only 100 other people enjoying it? If the art has inspired & moved me, I honestly couldn't give a fuck what anyone else thinks.

well said, so my point is would you do a commercial promoting something you didnt exactly agree with just because you like the director.
I DONT HINK THESE AI PEOPLE ARE DOING ANY OF THIS WORK FROM THE SOUL OR THEIR BELIEFS.

citizen_drew

Ok, so thanks to this thread Chris Daughtry is a little bit more famous. I just had to hear what a person sounds like, who people suggest should be ran over by a car, or have his tongue cutout, or making someone want to bring a sniper rifle to a front row of one of his shows…I don’t watch American Idle but even I know who he is now…Funny how things work…Yeah, doesn’t really do much for me either. Sounds like middle of the road rock.

Anyway, I’m glad some of you guys have Vedder’s back on this, the guy sounds like a real threat…

janegosford

nowayimfaithfull wrote:

well said, so my point is would you do a commercial promoting something you didnt exactly agree with just because you like the director.
I DONT HINK THESE AI PEOPLE ARE DOING ANY OF THIS WORK FROM THE SOUL OR THEIR BELIEFS.

None of them? That's a bit excessive, don't you think? Sort of a grand sweeping statement? In all fairness there have been AI contestants who have done albums that they themeselves have written. None of them have been successful. More power to them for making albums they wanted to make even though they weren't commercially viable.

As for the commercial...it would honestly depend on the product. If it was for something that I'm passionately against like Walmart, no there's no way I'd do it. If it was for a product that I don't use, like a shampoo, hell yeah I'd do it. I'd be acting & since I'm paid to act, I don't see anything wrong with it. When you're trying to make a living & make a name for yourself, sometimes sacrifices must be made. Ask Jeff Ament. He was accused many times of being a sell-out before he'd even made it. I don't know if it's true or not, but I think it's very difficult to judge people unless you've been in their situation. Sometimes you have to do things you're not that excited about to give yourself the opportunity to do something that does inspire you.

nowayimfaithfull

janegosford wrote:

None of them? That's a bit excessive, don't you think? Sort of a grand sweeping statement? In all fairness there have been AI contestants who have done albums that they themeselves have written. None of them have been successful. More power to them for making albums they wanted to make even though they weren't commercially viable.

As for the commercial...it would honestly depend on the product. If it was for something that I'm passionately against like Walmart, no there's no way I'd do it. If it was for a product that I don't use, like a shampoo, hell yeah I'd do it. I'd be acting & since I'm paid to act, I don't see anything wrong with it. When you're trying to make a living & make a name for yourself, sometimes sacrifices must be made. Ask Jeff Ament. He was accused many times of being a sell-out before he'd even made it. I don't know if it's true or not, but I think it's very difficult to judge people unless you've been in their situation. Sometimes you have to do things you're not that excited about to give yourself the opportunity to do something that does inspire you.

Well I would stand corrected if the fact was pointed out. I was told that these contestants go thru the show and basically give up all the rights when they win, any music they do under these contracts basically is more owned by the record companies than the singer.
These contracts I would also assume lean towars the company when it comes to money comparred to bands that make it thru the ranks on their own.
I was told kinda like a 80 / 20 split. that sucks. I was also schooled that their songs are basically given to them. I am sure they write songs but the hits that become singles are pre fabbed.

Indian Summer

He's a tenclub member.

Jellyrolls

nowayimfaithfull wrote:

I DONT HINK THESE AI PEOPLE ARE DOING ANY OF THIS WORK FROM THE SOUL OR THEIR BELIEFS.

I love how you speak for those people. Not everyone likes the bands that you do..you REALLY need to fucking realize that. Not everyone gets lucky and gets a record deal.

nowayimfaithfull

Jellyrolls wrote:

I love how you speak for those people. Not everyone likes the bands that you do..you REALLY need to fucking realize that. Not everyone gets lucky and gets a record deal.

I could care less about talking up the bands I like.
Why are you making this so personal with me.

it is starting to sound as if you dont even like the show just disagreeing with me.

Ill go out on a limb, I know someone who works for disney, He is in their marketing department, he rambles constantly about how Disney and universal who just started universal music not too long ago, go about their monoploies.

They pick people they want based on looks voice and control everyhting and force feed them, they control like 80 percent of these pop idols.
Right there you are talking at least 30 percent of new pop music. Know I am going out on a limb and guessing ai is owned by fox, even though it is run byfreemantle media fox is the corpatate whore.
You could possobily be talking close to 50 percent of pop in america.

Now its not the end of the world but it hurts rock, and I have followed rock thru radio for 30 years.

Radio is owned by companies like this and radio is done.
Just like rock is done and partially ryhtum and blues.

So tell me again why corparate america is so good for music.

This is fact, dont hate me for making fun of their biggest poster child.

As far as the groups I like who cares about that, we could debate opionos all day.

pj10alive42

What if one of us were able to sing alright, we happened to have a decent band supporting us, we were fortunate to get a record deal, and we made music that was accepted by the general public...even if we were to say, "Pearl Jam was such an influence in my decision to pursue music", there is probably not a single person on this board who wouldn't crucify us......

Just a thought...

I know if I made it big someday, I would definitly disclose my influences and when the fans of my influences criticized me, it would suck becaue I would then be getting criticized by my fellow fans...

good thing I dont like Daughtry...fuck him, that fucking poser...

nowayimfaithfull

pj10alive42 wrote:

What if one of us were able to sing alright, we happened to have a decent band supporting us, we were fortunate to get a record deal, and we made music that was accepted by the general public...even if we were to say, "Pearl Jam was such an influence in my decision to pursue music", there is probably not a single person on this board who wouldn't crucify us......

Just a thought...

I know if I made it big someday, I would definitly disclose my influences and when the fans of my influences criticized me, it would suck becaue I would then be getting criticized by my fellow fans...

good thing I dont like Daughtry...fuck him, that fucking poser...

I personnally like more pop than punk.

I like all the foo fighter tunes, I like the radio friendly chilli peppers. I like that song crazy, from gnarels barkely.
I liked blondie growing up.
Cheap trick
Prince
the police
these bands were pop in my day and some now, their is not much out now though.
I like bare naked ladies
coldplay

I mean take your shots I know some of those bands are dorky, so what, its what I Like, so I still thingk rock benifits from not having corparate monopolies involved.

Look at the 80s with the bands ed likes.

men without hats
crowded house
the las
english beat
david bowie


Thier was good original pop back then.

Things are sadly very differant. these days. These companies have it to where radio is like something that would have existed in russia back in the early 80s.

Pearl Jam and toast

Yeah, pop music in the 80s had the capacity to be really good. Even Madonna made some good tunes.

Cheap Trick may be very radio friendly, but goddamn are they amazing. Few songs of the era rival "Surrender" (I think )

nowayimfaithfull

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

Yeah, pop music in the 80s had the capacity to be really good. Even Madonna made some good tunes.

Cheap Trick may be very radio friendly, but goddamn are they amazing. Few songs of the era rival "Surrender" (I think )

Great point, radio had.



BALANCE


One thing I just thought of is the lack of Euro popbands getting played in America.
I would love to hear more strokes and coldplay on the pop channels, my daughters are 11 and 7 and it gets played in my house at time and its all bad, no balance.

Innocent_Bystander

Jeanwah wrote:

I agree. Granted American Idol is cheesy, but if you want to just get your foot in the door, (that door anyway,) that's all you need to take off. It's really worked to his advantage. And I think it's great that he decided to go solo and not join Tool.

Tool? It was Fuel who offered him a job, not Tool. Leave real talent out of this.