Okay, I'm tired of being the only person who can look at this. I'm going to say that it's not 100% done, but then...will it ever be? I don't want it to turn it into Chinese Democracy here.
Knock yourselves out. Let me know what you think, what's working and not working, what looks weird, etc.
Okay, I'm tired of being the only person who can look at this. I'm going to say that it's not 100% done, but then...will it ever be? I don't want it to turn it into Chinese Democracy here.
Knock yourselves out. Let me know what you think, what's working and not working, what looks weird, etc.
12/04/96 Sacramento vs. 12/05/96 Oakland
Correct date: 12/04/96 [Sacramento, CA, USA] - audience-shot DVD...no known audios
Correct date: 12/05/96 [Oakland, CA, USA] - DAT audience audio...no known videos
How we can can be sure: This one's totally my fault. For some reason my setlist for 12/04/96 was off in the last version of the Live Guide. When a collector received a DVD of the Sacramento show, he checked the setlist on my old Live Guide and decided his DVD was actually 12/05/96 (Oakland) based on the setlist alone. It was a smart move on his part, since so much out there is mislabeled. Unfortunately, this time the bootleg was actually labeled correctly. He then torrented the video, labeling it as 12/05/96 (Oakland). Once again, this is completely my fault-I had a bad setlist down for 12/04/96; unfortunately, they played the same setlist both nights. Because I'm in France, I also haven't been able to torrent my audio of the Oakland show to confirm that the video was indeed NOT from the Oakland show...so the Sacramento video is now circulating, labeled as the Oakland show. Hopefully this changes from now on-think of it this way; there's no audio of the Sacramento show and no video of the Oakland show. I will post the Oakland show when I get back to the US unless somebody beats me to it (I can hope!).
I'm the one who uploaded that Sacramento DVD on dime, but I'm a she, not a he
“Life is life everywhere. Life is in ourselves and not outside us. There will be men beside me, and the important thing is to be a man among men and to remain a man always, whatever the misfortunes, not to despair and not to fall - that is the aim of life, that is its purpose.”
Fyodor Dostoyevsky
Okay, I'm tired of being the only person who can look at this. I'm going to say that it's not 100% done, but then...will it ever be? I don't want it to turn it into Chinese Democracy here.
Knock yourselves out. Let me know what you think, what's working and not working, what looks weird, etc.
The live guide is looking nice, dude. About Black Hole Sun on TotP, the version on youtube is incomplete. Have you seen the complete performance? It's also a real shame that there's not much pro-shot out there. I've been saying this since 2006, but I really think they should take the '94 show they filmed and put that on DVD.
Then again there hasn't been an official SG release since 1997, so who knows if that show will ever surface to the public. Speaking of '97, I've never seen the pro-video from the 1/27/97 show. Is it on youtube somewhere or maybe there's a DVD version in circulation?
Also, June 06, 1992, I have the one with JCP, HAO, and Sw/MGEC, but is there actually a video out in circulation of the whole show, or are the complete ones not fully surfaced? I remember reading it was a PPV thing, and that some people caught video of Face Pollution.
Just a few more questions, haha. August 20, 1993: you said My Wave clips are on the AITSU CD? How long are the clips? Incomplete? Are they as clear as the Kickstand clip, for example? And then Reading 95. Have you seen the complete FoBD 120 Minutes video anywhere? And then there's this: "Clips of the professional video can be seen in some of the many "Superunknown" videos." Which Superunknown videos are you talking about? Do you mean like more clips on the AITSU CD+? Or is it just the normal Superunknown music video that has 'em?
Sorry for all the questions dude, but I had to ask after reading almost every page on the site.
The live guide is looking nice, dude. About Black Hole Sun on TotP, the version on youtube is incomplete. Have you seen the complete performance? It's also a real shame that there's not much pro-shot out there. I've been saying this since 2006, but I really think they should take the '94 show they filmed and put that on DVD.
I've never seen the full BHS from ToTP. I really believe it's from 4/16/94 Brixton, but I don't have proof.
I agree with you about the Calgary '94 show. I just wish they could actually release something.
Then again there hasn't been an official SG release since 1997, so who knows if that show will ever surface to the public. Speaking of '97, I've never seen the pro-video from the 1/27/97 show. Is it on youtube somewhere or maybe there's a DVD version in circulation?
There may be a DVD in circulation, but I haven't seen it around. Lividz had this video back in the day so I assume it got to DVD eventually. For those of you who don't know who Lividz is, he used to sell VHS/DVDs off a webpage back in the day. Dude had EVERYTHING in excellent quality. He got busted in like 2005 selling at a record convention (I think this is how the story goes), part of a sting operation by the Canadian authorities, and hasn't resurfaced since.
He filmed 11/13/96 (all copies come from him) and I believe (though I don't have proof) that at least 1/3 of the DVDs currently circulating are sourced from him.
Also, June 06, 1992, I have the one with JCP, HAO, and Sw/MGEC, but is there actually a video out in circulation of the whole show, or are the complete ones not fully surfaced? I remember reading it was a PPV thing, and that some people caught video of Face Pollution.
The full video does exist. I think that most of the 3-song versions must date from a rebroadcast or something. Again, just a hunch-I have no proof.
Just a few more questions, haha. August 20, 1993: you said My Wave clips are on the AITSU CD? How long are the clips? Incomplete? Are they as clear as the Kickstand clip, for example?
No, they aren't. "Kickstand" is from the professionally-shot Calgary video, while the "My Wave" clip comes from an AMT-shot from the side of the stage. It doesn't sound that good. BTW, it's the same version that can be found on a number of Superunknown singles.
And then Reading 95. Have you seen the complete FoBD 120 Minutes video anywhere?
I've never seen that. I culled that info from the SOMMS mailing list archive, from posts dating to just after the Reading show. I also know that the same TV special features Smashing Pumpkins (another favorite band of mine): http://www.splra.org/wiki/index.php?title=Tsp1995-08-25
And then there's this: "Clips of the professional video can be seen in some of the many "Superunknown" videos." Which Superunknown videos are you talking about? Do you mean like more clips on the AITSU CD+? Or is it just the normal Superunknown music video that has 'em? Sorry for all the questions dude, but I had to ask after reading almost every page on the site.
You can kind of see the Reading pro-video on the regular "Superunknown" video that aired on MTV. However, there are multiple "Superunknown" videos! As I recall, there are six different videos that are pulled from the same footage but are all slightly different. The Reading footage is easy to pick out by Chris and Kim's clothing (other footage featured in the "Superunknown" video: more clips from 8/11/94 Calgary, leftover footage from the video for "The Day I Tried To Live"....).
I really wish that they'd rerelease the CD-Rom...it's truly an exceptional document and tons of fun. It won't work on most newer computers because the resolution/requirements are so low...it's just too outdated. But consider what all was on the CD-Rom:
* Music videos for "Spoonman", "Black Hole Sun", "Fell On Black Days" and "The Day I Tried To Live"
* Videos of Artis the Spoonman doing what he does
* A live video of "Kickstand" from the Calgary 1994 show
* A short documentary on the making of Superunknown
* Six different videos for "Superunknown"
* Audio recordings of "She Likes Surprises", "Fell On Black Days" (video version) and "Like Suicide" (acoustic version) that can be played from off the CD-Rom (or just in your stereo too)
* Seven "Space Jams" that are all awesome and that stream while you flip through photo albums of the band
* A live video clip of "My Wave" that leads you into a game of Breakout!
* and so much more....
That CD-Rom NEVER got old. I'll have to see if I can get it working when I get back to the US.
Thanks for the questions and comments. Keep 'em coming!
The new live guide looks great Matt. Thanks for your effort.
Also a slight correction you wrote Munich 96 was pro-filmed. I believe it wasn't. I' was at this concert, front row, and didn't see any camera. If they had a camera then only at the mixing console, but this would be only one.
But, ;-). There's strong evidence that one show of the European tour was filmed by the band. The show in Cologne a few days earlier. I still have, somewhere, a video called "Jam-Soundgarden". This was a ca. 60 min. show done by the famous music-video directors DoRo from Austria. Every "Jam" show covered a different band.
The show about Soundgarden featured the highs and lows of their career. Plus extended interviews with Chris and Kim, some archive interviews with the other two members and video excerpts.
But, most important live cuts from "Spoonman" and "Searching", done with multiple cameras. I strongly believe they are from Cologne. I also believe the full show was shot, by the time Soundgarden had their official website on imusic they offered live clips of "Black Hole Sun" "TyCobb" and "Burden In My Hand". I haven't seen those clips but the stills looked like they where from the same source.
I hope I can locate my cassette and put some clips on youtube.
Hope you don't mind me answering this question.
My wave is the full clip. I've bought the CD-Rom the time I was in France on holiday a long, long time ago. It's still rockin' today, though the way it's done might be outdated. Buy it if you can you won't regret it. The CD playable tracks are worth the price alone. You get much stuff. Interviews (a shame this hasn't been released on DVD), three videos, live clip and some gadgets.
Yeah I've been wanting to buy it since like 2006 but I just haven't gotten around to it. I'm keeping an eye out on eBay though. How long are the interviews, btw?
The interview segment is about 8 min. long and features all band members. It was shot in b/w at Bad Animal Studios. Probably, well very likely, shot the same day the "Fell On Black Days" video was.
Well, to be precise. The interview segment was don in a voice over way. So it's more Fell On Black Days b-roll footage (Chris sitting on the drum set, Kim testing the guitar and so on) with every band member giving a voice over statement on songwriting, the album etc.
Thanks for this awesome thread and all the great data and info youve posted.
I just found a clip on you tube of Soundgarden playing "search and destroy" from the Toronto 1996 show-
Is there a bootleg of that show anywhere?
Checked on the newly revamped live guide (Thanks for putting it back up!) and the show was listed as Nov 13,1996-Toronto,CA.
Can someone post that boot to DL or direct me to the page if its already been posted? Thanks-looks like it was a cool show-
That video is pretty easy to find. Join DIME, ZOMB or The Traders Den...that video has been put up there before and may still be active. Awesome video.
Okay, I'm tired of being the only person who can look at this. I'm going to say that it's not 100% done, but then...will it ever be? I don't want it to turn it into Chinese Democracy here.
Knock yourselves out. Let me know what you think, what's working and not working, what looks weird, etc.
fuck why dont we have a whole version of the show pro shot??
i hope Kim is workin on it!
Hahahahahahahahaha....pardon my pessimism but I've never seen a full concert shot by MTV appear on DVD that wasn't labeled "Unplugged". That's not to say it won't happen...it just doesn't appear likely.
Duder, nice find! I'll thank you in my next LG update.
I updated the Live Guide today. I'm seriously contemplating torrenting what little I have left here, but I don't anticipate doing so tonight. I have a 2-part question for you all:
a) Who here has 6/17/94 New York?
b) If you have it, does your copy skip throughout "Fell On Black Days" and "Mind Riot"?
I updated the Live Guide today. I'm seriously contemplating torrenting what little I have left here, but I don't anticipate doing so tonight. I have a 2-part question for you all:
a) Who here has 6/17/94 New York?
b) If you have it, does your copy skip throughout "Fell On Black Days" and "Mind Riot"?
This is important.
My 6/17/94 is an mp3 source, but it does not skip at all during those songs.
On a separate thingy, another famous cancellation happened in 1990 (April 4, if you must know). Voivod were due to play in Manchester with Faith No More supporting and a hitherto almost unknown act opening - Voivod had a falling-out with their European record label and pulled out, Faith No More had just gone Stratospheric and didn't feel like playing a 200-capacity venue (although they rescheduled larger shows soon after), which left the opening act playing to the 17 (and yes, I counted them) people who bothered to still turn up. That Soundgarden show is still the best gig I've ever been to.
I looked on your guide and this show wasn't listed.
Only 17 people! :eek:
“Life is life everywhere. Life is in ourselves and not outside us. There will be men beside me, and the important thing is to be a man among men and to remain a man always, whatever the misfortunes, not to despair and not to fall - that is the aim of life, that is its purpose.”
Fyodor Dostoyevsky
Marie-thanks for the tip! I archived that for the next LG update.
I'm going to torrent 9/21/96, 10/02/96 and 1/27/97 over the next week, hopefully. I also have some more common boots here I probably won't torrent unless people want me to; let me know if there's a great interest in these:
9/09/95 VID3>CDR1
7/05/96 CD>CDRx
7/27/96 VIDx>CDRx (no DVD step....I've had this for about 8 years)
10/11/96 DAT-M>CDR4
2/02/97 ANA2>CDR1
As for 6/17/94, it's a shame that most copies have skips. I'd really like to trace back the lineage to somebody who has a clean, lossless copy, because it's a great show with excellent sound.
Finally, who wants to help me with a big project? A big source of problems in the trading community is Etree. The idea is fantastic, but since it's completely open source (don't get me wrong, I love open source databases...but they also help disperse incorrect information if there's nobody to monitor them), it's rife with errors. I'm spending today going through Etree to correct errors, merge duplicate shows and add new shows that aren't listed.
Just think of it-by adding every show for which there is a circulating recording, we can help boost knowledge of who has what, and it will make it easier to track down hard to find recordings. It couldn't hurt!
I updated the Live Guide today. I'm seriously contemplating torrenting what little I have left here, but I don't anticipate doing so tonight. I have a 2-part question for you all:
a) Who here has 6/17/94 New York?
b) If you have it, does your copy skip throughout "Fell On Black Days" and "Mind Riot"?
This is important.
picked this up somewhere along the line on cd. want to say at a used music place for like five bucks...
picked this up somewhere along the line on cd. want to say at a used music place for like five bucks...
it doesn't skip.
Excellent! Would you be willing to torrent it? If not, you could post it here in FLAC and I could torrent it. There are A LOT of versions of this out there that skip. It's annoying as hell.
Excellent! Would you be willing to torrent it? If not, you could post it here in FLAC and I could torrent it. There are A LOT of versions of this out there that skip. It's annoying as hell.
sorry i'm not very torrent savvy, but here it is on megaupload:
Thanks! You forgot the encore though-"Fresh Tendrils" and "Head Down". I ripped them from my CDR copy of the show. It's so nice to hear a clean copy...I really cannot say thank you enough.
So, now it appears I now have five shows to torrent in the near future:
also if anyone has it would they be able to transfer it to audio, its the best quality performance ive heard and great version. many thanks if they could.
Comments
Knock yourselves out. Let me know what you think, what's working and not working, what looks weird, etc.
Cheers!
http://mattisnotfrench.hostsnake.com/SGLG/index.htm
Looks great Matt!
One thing, on the mislabeled bootlegs part:
12/04/96 Sacramento vs. 12/05/96 Oakland
Correct date: 12/04/96 [Sacramento, CA, USA] - audience-shot DVD...no known audios
Correct date: 12/05/96 [Oakland, CA, USA] - DAT audience audio...no known videos
How we can can be sure: This one's totally my fault. For some reason my setlist for 12/04/96 was off in the last version of the Live Guide. When a collector received a DVD of the Sacramento show, he checked the setlist on my old Live Guide and decided his DVD was actually 12/05/96 (Oakland) based on the setlist alone. It was a smart move on his part, since so much out there is mislabeled. Unfortunately, this time the bootleg was actually labeled correctly. He then torrented the video, labeling it as 12/05/96 (Oakland). Once again, this is completely my fault-I had a bad setlist down for 12/04/96; unfortunately, they played the same setlist both nights. Because I'm in France, I also haven't been able to torrent my audio of the Oakland show to confirm that the video was indeed NOT from the Oakland show...so the Sacramento video is now circulating, labeled as the Oakland show. Hopefully this changes from now on-think of it this way; there's no audio of the Sacramento show and no video of the Oakland show. I will post the Oakland show when I get back to the US unless somebody beats me to it (I can hope!).
I'm the one who uploaded that Sacramento DVD on dime, but I'm a she, not a he
Fyodor Dostoyevsky
its funny bout the chinese democracy remark hahaha ...yeah it needs little more info , but you are the man you had the balls to put on this thing
Then again there hasn't been an official SG release since 1997, so who knows if that show will ever surface to the public. Speaking of '97, I've never seen the pro-video from the 1/27/97 show. Is it on youtube somewhere or maybe there's a DVD version in circulation?
Also, June 06, 1992, I have the one with JCP, HAO, and Sw/MGEC, but is there actually a video out in circulation of the whole show, or are the complete ones not fully surfaced? I remember reading it was a PPV thing, and that some people caught video of Face Pollution.
Just a few more questions, haha. August 20, 1993: you said My Wave clips are on the AITSU CD? How long are the clips? Incomplete? Are they as clear as the Kickstand clip, for example? And then Reading 95. Have you seen the complete FoBD 120 Minutes video anywhere? And then there's this: "Clips of the professional video can be seen in some of the many "Superunknown" videos." Which Superunknown videos are you talking about? Do you mean like more clips on the AITSU CD+? Or is it just the normal Superunknown music video that has 'em?
Sorry for all the questions dude, but I had to ask after reading almost every page on the site.
I've never seen the full BHS from ToTP. I really believe it's from 4/16/94 Brixton, but I don't have proof.
I agree with you about the Calgary '94 show. I just wish they could actually release something.
There may be a DVD in circulation, but I haven't seen it around. Lividz had this video back in the day so I assume it got to DVD eventually. For those of you who don't know who Lividz is, he used to sell VHS/DVDs off a webpage back in the day. Dude had EVERYTHING in excellent quality. He got busted in like 2005 selling at a record convention (I think this is how the story goes), part of a sting operation by the Canadian authorities, and hasn't resurfaced since.
He filmed 11/13/96 (all copies come from him) and I believe (though I don't have proof) that at least 1/3 of the DVDs currently circulating are sourced from him.
The full video does exist. I think that most of the 3-song versions must date from a rebroadcast or something. Again, just a hunch-I have no proof.
No, they aren't. "Kickstand" is from the professionally-shot Calgary video, while the "My Wave" clip comes from an AMT-shot from the side of the stage. It doesn't sound that good. BTW, it's the same version that can be found on a number of Superunknown singles.
I've never seen that. I culled that info from the SOMMS mailing list archive, from posts dating to just after the Reading show. I also know that the same TV special features Smashing Pumpkins (another favorite band of mine): http://www.splra.org/wiki/index.php?title=Tsp1995-08-25
You can kind of see the Reading pro-video on the regular "Superunknown" video that aired on MTV. However, there are multiple "Superunknown" videos! As I recall, there are six different videos that are pulled from the same footage but are all slightly different. The Reading footage is easy to pick out by Chris and Kim's clothing (other footage featured in the "Superunknown" video: more clips from 8/11/94 Calgary, leftover footage from the video for "The Day I Tried To Live"....).
I really wish that they'd rerelease the CD-Rom...it's truly an exceptional document and tons of fun. It won't work on most newer computers because the resolution/requirements are so low...it's just too outdated. But consider what all was on the CD-Rom:
* Music videos for "Spoonman", "Black Hole Sun", "Fell On Black Days" and "The Day I Tried To Live"
* Videos of Artis the Spoonman doing what he does
* A live video of "Kickstand" from the Calgary 1994 show
* A short documentary on the making of Superunknown
* Six different videos for "Superunknown"
* Audio recordings of "She Likes Surprises", "Fell On Black Days" (video version) and "Like Suicide" (acoustic version) that can be played from off the CD-Rom (or just in your stereo too)
* Seven "Space Jams" that are all awesome and that stream while you flip through photo albums of the band
* A live video clip of "My Wave" that leads you into a game of Breakout!
* and so much more....
That CD-Rom NEVER got old. I'll have to see if I can get it working when I get back to the US.
Thanks for the questions and comments. Keep 'em coming!
Also a slight correction you wrote Munich 96 was pro-filmed. I believe it wasn't. I' was at this concert, front row, and didn't see any camera. If they had a camera then only at the mixing console, but this would be only one.
But, ;-). There's strong evidence that one show of the European tour was filmed by the band. The show in Cologne a few days earlier. I still have, somewhere, a video called "Jam-Soundgarden". This was a ca. 60 min. show done by the famous music-video directors DoRo from Austria. Every "Jam" show covered a different band.
The show about Soundgarden featured the highs and lows of their career. Plus extended interviews with Chris and Kim, some archive interviews with the other two members and video excerpts.
But, most important live cuts from "Spoonman" and "Searching", done with multiple cameras. I strongly believe they are from Cologne. I also believe the full show was shot, by the time Soundgarden had their official website on imusic they offered live clips of "Black Hole Sun" "TyCobb" and "Burden In My Hand". I haven't seen those clips but the stills looked like they where from the same source.
I hope I can locate my cassette and put some clips on youtube.
Thanks for the answers.
My wave is the full clip. I've bought the CD-Rom the time I was in France on holiday a long, long time ago. It's still rockin' today, though the way it's done might be outdated. Buy it if you can you won't regret it. The CD playable tracks are worth the price alone. You get much stuff. Interviews (a shame this hasn't been released on DVD), three videos, live clip and some gadgets.
Well, to be precise. The interview segment was don in a voice over way. So it's more Fell On Black Days b-roll footage (Chris sitting on the drum set, Kim testing the guitar and so on) with every band member giving a voice over statement on songwriting, the album etc.
Thanks for this awesome thread and all the great data and info youve posted.
I just found a clip on you tube of Soundgarden playing "search and destroy" from the Toronto 1996 show-
Is there a bootleg of that show anywhere?
Checked on the newly revamped live guide (Thanks for putting it back up!) and the show was listed as Nov 13,1996-Toronto,CA.
Can someone post that boot to DL or direct me to the page if its already been posted? Thanks-looks like it was a cool show-
That video is pretty easy to find. Join DIME, ZOMB or The Traders Den...that video has been put up there before and may still be active. Awesome video.
You forgot that in Lollapalooza (i dont know the date),Pepper Keenan join them on I think Gun and Cop Killer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=948X8ftfPjE
Soundgarden Interview @ Reading 1995. Includes a minute or so of pro-shot Black Hole Sun from that very performance. Whaddya say about this one, Matt?
i hope Kim is workin on it!
Hahahahahahahahaha....pardon my pessimism but I've never seen a full concert shot by MTV appear on DVD that wasn't labeled "Unplugged". That's not to say it won't happen...it just doesn't appear likely.
Duder, nice find! I'll thank you in my next LG update.
nice SG post
a) Who here has 6/17/94 New York?
b) If you have it, does your copy skip throughout "Fell On Black Days" and "Mind Riot"?
This is important.
My 6/17/94 is an mp3 source, but it does not skip at all during those songs.
http://onewhiskey.proboards2.com/index.cgi?board=boarda&action=display&thread=2324&page=4
I looked on your guide and this show wasn't listed.
Only 17 people! :eek:
Fyodor Dostoyevsky
Like Kim's Tool shirt....
"SHUT UP WE'RE TALKING NOW!"
I'm going to torrent 9/21/96, 10/02/96 and 1/27/97 over the next week, hopefully. I also have some more common boots here I probably won't torrent unless people want me to; let me know if there's a great interest in these:
9/09/95 VID3>CDR1
7/05/96 CD>CDRx
7/27/96 VIDx>CDRx (no DVD step....I've had this for about 8 years)
10/11/96 DAT-M>CDR4
2/02/97 ANA2>CDR1
As for 6/17/94, it's a shame that most copies have skips. I'd really like to trace back the lineage to somebody who has a clean, lossless copy, because it's a great show with excellent sound.
Finally, who wants to help me with a big project? A big source of problems in the trading community is Etree. The idea is fantastic, but since it's completely open source (don't get me wrong, I love open source databases...but they also help disperse incorrect information if there's nobody to monitor them), it's rife with errors. I'm spending today going through Etree to correct errors, merge duplicate shows and add new shows that aren't listed.
Just think of it-by adding every show for which there is a circulating recording, we can help boost knowledge of who has what, and it will make it easier to track down hard to find recordings. It couldn't hurt!
Anyone want to help me with this?
picked this up somewhere along the line on cd. want to say at a used music place for like five bucks...
it doesn't skip.
Excellent! Would you be willing to torrent it? If not, you could post it here in FLAC and I could torrent it. There are A LOT of versions of this out there that skip. It's annoying as hell.
sorry i'm not very torrent savvy, but here it is on megaupload:
disc one:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NL1LJ1Q2
disc two:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4QXYGHKZ
strangely enough, this is my only soundgarden bootleg. strange that it should be the one you were asking about...
So, now it appears I now have five shows to torrent in the near future:
6/17/94
9/21/96
10/02/96
10/11/96
1/27/97
They'll all go on DIME.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UwkwIFMOvac
also if anyone has it would they be able to transfer it to audio, its the best quality performance ive heard and great version. many thanks if they could.