I"m so glad barack hussien obama won...

U R A Crazy Breed

teflonsteve wrote:

josevolution and Crazy Breed....sounds like two kool-aid drinkers to me. You know not everything this band does is great. Sure most of it is, but not everything. It's ok for people not to like stuff.

is that a Jim Jones kool-aid reference? if so you are WAYYYYYYY off base!!

i understand that people can "not like a song",and if it's about the guitar riff...fine! but when people bitch about politics it drives me fucking nuts because these douche-bag politicians are selling us down the river and it's imperative that people come to this realization!!

so when i hear/see the "shut up and sing" assholes i want to choke them for being so complacent/stupid/apathetic...because their ignorance is detrimental to my freedom!!

plus Ed put himself out on a limb doing this style of music and he does it because he cares about humanity/freedom/peace...why the fuck would anyone have a problem with that??!!

teflonsteve

I personally enjoy the politics when it is done in the form of a great song. Bushleaguer I thought was an enjoyable tune. Same story with 1/2 Full and WWS as well as the numerous "political" covers they have done. However, No More is a tad too contrived for my liking and based on the reaction (boos or in most cases general non-excitement) from crowds this summer my opinion is shared by many. Not all obviously but to each their own.

as for the person who said that it must be liked because everyone sang along with it that doesn't float with me. How many people on this board are tired of betterman but still sing along live? Crowd participation is the most dangerous form of peer pressure

bootlegger10

josevolution wrote:

i hate coming on to threads this late i really don't have to much to add except that i HOPE ED NEVER STOPS SINGING POLITICALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL SONGSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
there how do you like it DOUCHESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
if people didn't like NO MORE why is it that 19,000 of us sang along with him at MSG why because we do care .assssssssssssssssssssssholessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss.

I sang along because that is what you do at concerts. Do I think the song sucks though? Yep. Do I think Ed is an amazing songwriter? Yep.

Gonzo1977

Crazy Breed wrote:

is that a Jim Jones kool-aid reference? if so you are WAYYYYYYY off base!!

i understand that people can "not like a song",and if it's about the guitar riff...fine! but when people bitch about politics it drives me fucking nuts because these douche-bag politicians are selling us down the river and it's imperative that people come to this realization!!

so when i hear/see the "shut up and sing" assholes i want to choke them for being so complacent/stupid/apathetic...because their ignorance is detrimental to my freedom!!

plus Ed put himself out on a limb doing this style of music and he does it because he cares about humanity/freedom/peace...why the fuck would anyone have a problem with that??!!

I totally agree.

I think the "small" portion of Pearl Jam's audience that finds this talk offensive, and complains about this shit are people that are just scared of reality.

There are plenty of bands out there that give you sugar with your coffee. Hell...American Idol will glady rub your nuts and steal you wallet at the same time...But rest assured ...You won't hear any of this SCARY POLITICAL talk from them.

And If it's just dawning on you now that Pearl Jam is a politcial band...then you obviously never got it from the start...

So Buck Up and grow a pair; this is the real world we live in
and truth be told...it's scary as shit.

I'm glad someone has the balls to talk about it.

So if Ed wants to grab a mic and slam Bush for being a crooked punk mother-fucker...Well then more power to him.

They can't all be love songs.

teflonsteve

bootlegger10 wrote:

I sang along because that is what you do at concerts. Do I think the song sucks though? Yep. Do I think Ed is an amazing songwriter? Yep.

I couldnt have said it better.

dunkman

Crazy Breed wrote:

For those people who say shut up and sing..i say shut the fuck up and listen!!

no.

who made you commander in fucking chief.

I'd rather hear a song thank you.

U R A Crazy Breed

dunkman wrote:

no.

who made you commander in fucking chief.

I'd rather hear a song thank you.

oh dunky...why must we quarrel so? I'm 12 & 1/2% Scottish! we could be kinfolk!

dunkman

Crazy Breed wrote:

oh dunky...why must we quarrel so? I'm 12 & 1/2% Scottish! we could be kinfolk!

binauralonthecape

reading all of your replies has been fun and enlightening, i wanted to say that i've really gotten away from pearl jam lately after seeing a number of shows this summer mostly because ed takes the escapism away from a great night of music when he brings up politics, i'll admit that i have become more conservative over the years and now realize why people bitch about ed's rants because politics are a very touchy subject and when you openly bash an opposing side it takes away alot of your fans that want to enjoy what they paid to see, a great rock and roll band.

binauralonthecape

i've recently got into the band the drive by truckers, and i went to see them this past sunday at the orpheum in boston with my girlfriend, going into the show, i knew the band was liberal after reading their thoughts on the election on their website, but during the show there was no mention of the election, or any politics during their whole performance, which i was cringing for because i've seen pearl jam ruin a great night with political blabbering so many times before, i left the concert extremely happy that they kept to their great music and didnt preach to the audience.

binauralonthecape

bootlegger10 wrote:

You must understand that a Pearl Jam concert is 95% music, and 5% politics. So, even the most ardent Republican will enjoy 95% of the show. Also, VERY MUCH unlike you, we can respect their opinions and that 5% doesn't really bug me. BUT, because of politics we had to listen to No More repetitively over the last tour. It is a terrible song. Virginia Beach lucked out and got Guaranteed. Think of how much good music we could have gotten out of Ed and a solo guitar (think his solo tour). It is a shame that you need Ed to tell you how to think, because otherwise he wouldn't need to say anything.

And to be perfectly clear, Pearl Jam fans who are conservatives are proven to be open-minded, otherwise we would have closed our minds off to Pearl Jam long ago. It is pretty obvious from your comments in this thread that you could not be a Pearl Jam fan if they were conservative, and that shows how close-minded YOU are. That's right, YOU are close minded, and obviously don't want to be surrounded by any point of view that is different than yours.

edit: take care.

cant say it much better than that..

Barely Alive

If it were kept to minimum I wouldn't mind as much, but I agree with the original poster.

binauralonthecape

i still agree with a few liberal ideas, but it doesnt really matter, the point is i'd rather hear him make fun of celine dion than george bush

woundedorgan

binauralonthecape wrote:

now when i spend 160 dollars on concert tickets i wont have to hear eddie spend half the show telling everyone about how evil bush is and hopefully they'll cut out all the anti war songs and maybe they're next record wont be smothered with shitty political songs..

Maybe you should be listening to the Jonas Brothers or something...

....cry baby...Looking at your other post about the trive by truckers..it appears that you are actively seeking out the politics of the band thus destroying your own sense of escapism...I practice " escapism " every time I go to see PJ. I escape from a world of complacent morons whom avoid real issues by listening to hoky " everything is going to be all right " type music...at least you get the truth when you go see the band play live....

Carlos D

It seems like the guys are using it as an excuse now for not coming up with any fresh ideas,REM and Green Day are doing the same thing.The best things they've done this decade(Love Boat Captain,I Am Mine,Man of The Hour,Sleight OF hand,Inside Job) were song which captured the despair and anger of the time without being dumb and explicit about it,you can listen to those songs and take it as being about your own life rather than the world at large.Back in the day,their politics were a little more subtle like on Jeremy or Do The Evolution,nowadays they're writing songs like No More which truth be told have no staying power whatsoever.I couldn't give a toss what their politics are,if they want to talk about abortion or the war in Iraq or whatever fair enough,but when it gets to the stage that it's the only thing they sing about or talk about in interviews,it borders on self-parody.I hope the guys give us something unexpected with the next album.

binauralonthecape

woundedorgan wrote:

Maybe you should be listening to the Jonas Brothers or something...

....cry baby...Looking at your other post about the trive by truckers..it appears that you are actively seeking out the politics of the band thus destroying your own sense of escapism...I practice " escapism " every time I go to see PJ. I escape from a world of complacent morons whom avoid real issues by listening to hoky " everything is going to be all right " type music...at least you get the truth when you go see the band play live....

i hate country music if that's what your getting at, and stop smearing me because i have a different opinion than you, respect it and give me an opposing view if you want, but keep it intelligent..

keeponrockin

Carlos D wrote:

It seems like the guys are using it as an excuse now for not coming up with any fresh ideas,REM and Green Day are doing the same thing.The best things they've done this decade(Love Boat Captain,I Am Mine,Man of The Hour,Sleight OF hand,Inside Job) were song which captured the despair and anger of the time without being dumb and explicit about it,you can listen to those songs and take it as being about your own life rather than the world at large.Back in the day,their politics were a little more subtle like on Jeremy or Do The Evolution,nowadays they're writing songs like No More which truth be told have no staying power whatsoever.I couldn't give a toss what their politics are,if they want to talk about abortion or the war in Iraq or whatever fair enough,but when it gets to the stage that it's the only thing they sing about or talk about in interviews,it borders on self-parody.I hope the guys give us something unexpected with the next album.

I LOVED seeing No More played in Montreal, you can tell Ed cares a lot about the song. ANything with that much emotion has to hit ya!

U R A Crazy Breed

binauralonthecape wrote:

i've recently got into the band the drive by truckers, and i went to see them this past sunday at the orpheum in boston with my girlfriend, going into the show, i knew the band was liberal after reading their thoughts on the election on their website, but during the show there was no mention of the election, or any politics during their whole performance, which i was cringing for because i've seen pearl jam ruin a great night with political blabbering so many times before, i left the concert extremely happy that they kept to their great music and didnt preach to the audience.

Ed may not be as informed as i like..because if he was he wouldn't support either party (because there is only really one party with the illusion of division) but his heart is in the right place and he can say what ever the fuck he pleases...not only because he has earned that right but because THAT IS THE AMERICAN WAY.

being silent out of fear, whether that is the fear of losing fans or the fear of Government retaliation,is NOT HOW WE AS AMERICANS ARE SUPPOSED TO BEHAVE!! And for you to call it political blabbering tells me you are one of the many un/misinformed masses who just aren't aware of how bad things are and that we need to speak up before our 1st amendment is taken away from us!!
whether Ed will go back to sleep now that Obama is going to be President (like many others will) remains to be seen.Once Obama starts to travle down the path his masters have laid for him and he picks up where Bush left off there will be plenty of discontent people in this country once again ...and i HOPE Ed is one of them...regardless of what others say/think..his "voice" is very important!

woundedorgan wrote:

....cry baby...Looking at your other post about the drive by truckers..it appears that you are actively seeking out the politics of the band thus destroying your own sense of escapism...I practice " escapism " every time I go to see PJ. I escape from a world of complacent morons whom avoid real issues by listening to hokey " everything is going to be all right " type music...at least you get the truth when you go see the band play live....

NICE!!!!! :)

EvilRabbit

No More War isn't a song to be "enjoyed," dumb-arses. You're missing the point. It's a message, a protest, a cry for change...

It's not a song to consume for entertainment like Even Flow or In My Tree. It's an artist shedding light on a subject that's very dark, sad, and meaningful.

I can only assume you knuckleheads dissing the song need every PJ track to sound vaguely like it was recorded for Ten, so you can crank it in your Camaro.

Go watch "Body of War" and shut the hell up about whether or not it's a good song to dance, eat, poop, drive, or f*** to.

And the U.K. guys on here talking U.S. politics should stop talking about it until they move here because they sound naive and ignorant as shite.

U R A Crazy Breed

EvilRabbit wrote:

No More War isn't a song to be "enjoyed," dumb-arses. You're missing the point. It's a message, a protest, a cry for change...

It's not a song to consume for entertainment like Even Flow or In My Tree. It's an artist shedding light on a subject that's very dark, sad, and meaningful.

I can only assume you knuckleheads dissing the song need every PJ track to sound vaguely like it was recorded for Ten, so you can crank it in your Camaro.

Go watch "Body of War" and shut the hell up about whether or not it's a good song to dance, eat, poop, drive, or f*** to.

And the U.K. guys on here talking U.S. politics should stop talking about it until they move here because they sound naive and ignorant as shite.

:D dude/dud-ette?.......i like you! :)