It would be just as tainted whatever the views. I have no desire to know how anyone else votes, least of all a rock and roll star. I've seen Robert Plant come out with the same stuff, I adore Plant even more than I adore Ed, and believe me I scoot off to the bar as soon as Percy starts with his Bush...blah, blah.
It wouldn't 'suite' me either way dude I just like the songs they sing.
I'm not crying man, and I'm not a moron...thanks
I adore Ed, let's be fair here, I mentioned he writes best when he writes about what he really knows which to me is human emotions, and not politics. And on that point, the stuff he wrote for the 'Into the Wild' album is better than anything he's written for PJ in years.
I love him dude, I love the band...I got a 'Pearl Jam Europe 1992' shirt, I bought it back in the day...believe me when I say I love them.
Your a tool pal. Go cry to your mom about Eddie Vedder saying he doesn't like Bush, you pathetic fool.
hey, you are very close to being reported man...say, that's why your light is out!!! I bet. Mr Invisible can't have a conversation without insulting people, so over time has developed a complex and decided he needs to use 'invisible mode' ? Is that it?
I love you anyway
I'm not crying man, and I'm not a moron...thanks
I adore Ed, let's be fair here, I mentioned he writes best when he writes about what he really knows which to me is human emotions, and not politics. And on that point, the stuff he wrote for the 'Into the Wild' album is better than anything he's written for PJ in years.
I love him dude, I love the band...I got a 'Pearl Jam Europe 1992' shirt, I bought it back in the day...believe me when I say I love them.
Believe me when I say I love them talking and singing about politics.
You called me an ass kisser because I enjoy the politics in Pearl Jam music.
hey, you are very close to being reported man...say, that's why your light is out!!! I bet. Mr Invisible can't have a conversation without insulting people, so over time has developed a complex and decided he needs to use 'invisible mode' ? Is that it?
I love you anyway
Your calling me mental pal. If you read back I didn't call you a name until you did me. Also I don't know what invisible mode is, so your just a goon.
now when i spend 160 dollars on concert tickets i wont have to hear eddie spend half the show telling everyone about how evil bush is and hopefully they'll cut out all the anti war songs and maybe they're next record wont be smothered with shitty political songs..
I guess you missed the 1990s.. Has Ed ever been non-political?
Get over it already. Politics=passion.. without politics, we'd get boring songs about Last Kisses and Bugs.
I really have no idea what invisible mode is. I set up my account, where do I find it?
Also, I think we got carried away there, I am so amped up over the election, I'm pumped and kinda let are convo get a little heated.
ah, you'll get over elections. I remember when I gave a shit. Unless it's diffo in the states to here in Britain.
Strange about the invisible, it has to be activated and saved on the user cp.
strange how you cooled down as soon as I kissed you.....is that all you wanted from the start??
Ed is still gonna write political songs, and how and the hell does anyone like Pearl Jam but can't stand Pearl Jam's political forwardness. Jesus fuckin' Christ, that's some funny ass shit, that's like someone who likes porn but hates seeing people naked. You sir make about as much sense as Sarah Palin.
You must understand that a Pearl Jam concert is 95% music, and 5% politics. So, even the most ardent Republican will enjoy 95% of the show. Also, VERY MUCH unlike you, we can respect their opinions and that 5% doesn't really bug me. BUT, because of politics we had to listen to No More repetitively over the last tour. It is a terrible song. Virginia Beach lucked out and got Guaranteed. Think of how much good music we could have gotten out of Ed and a solo guitar (think his solo tour). It is a shame that you need Ed to tell you how to think, because otherwise he wouldn't need to say anything.
And to be perfectly clear, Pearl Jam fans who are conservatives are proven to be open-minded, otherwise we would have closed our minds off to Pearl Jam long ago. It is pretty obvious from your comments in this thread that you could not be a Pearl Jam fan if they were conservative, and that shows how close-minded YOU are. That's right, YOU are close minded, and obviously don't want to be surrounded by any point of view that is different than yours.
oh yeah. i hope Obama passes a law that says Pearl Jam cannot stop halfway through Porch for Ed's speechifying. i think an amendment to the constitution is in order.
You must understand that a Pearl Jam concert is 95% music, and 5% politics. So, even the most ardent Republican will enjoy 95% of the show. Also, VERY MUCH unlike you, we can respect their opinions and that 5% doesn't really bug me. BUT, because of politics we had to listen to No More repetitively over the last tour. It is a terrible song. Virginia Beach lucked out and got Guaranteed. Think of how much good music we could have gotten out of Ed and a solo guitar (think his solo tour). It is a shame that you need Ed to tell you how to think, because otherwise he wouldn't need to say anything.
And to be perfectly clear, Pearl Jam fans who are conservatives are proven to be open-minded, otherwise we would have closed our minds off to Pearl Jam long ago. It is pretty obvious from your comments in this thread that you could not be a Pearl Jam fan if they were conservative, and that shows how close-minded YOU are. That's right, YOU are close minded, and obviously don't want to be surrounded by any point of view that is different than yours.
edit: take care.
I agree, I could never be a fan of a band who loved George Bush and sang songs praising him. I'm lucky my favorite band feels the same as me. Your acting as if I would dispute the fact I wouldn't listen to music about the "great" republican party. I'll say it to anyone who wants to hear it " I wouldn't listen to a band sing songs about how great they thought George Bush is".
I loved the song No More, I think it is a powerful song. Your saying your not closed minded, then why are you complaining about all those Pearl Jam songs?
The main problem we have here is, I'm not the one complaining, it's you. I like the band how it is. Your the one who has the problem with them, so how is it your not the one who's close minded? And all of this is so pointless, Eddie Vedder is a political person and he has always been vocal. He's not gonna stop, am I the only one who thinks it's wierd that people are still complaining about something someone has done for 17 years, am I missing something? Did Ed give an interview where he said he got hit on the head and no longer is the same man he was before?
i agree. although, when obama leads us into the beginning of the end of our nation as we know it (which is what is going to happen) im sure eddie will stand up against the liberals that are ruining it right??!! ... lol i HATE liberals and i HATE politcs.
I stand by what I said. By saying that they should shut up and that they have no right to speak out about what they believe politically, in essence you're saying that you have a right to express your opinion, but they don't.
If you want to hear music with no speeches, go home and download a bunch of songs off iTunes or something.
And yes, they have always been political. Note Ed writing "Pro Choice" on his arm when they did Unplugged, or talking crap about George Bush Sr. on several occasions during the 1992 Lollapalooza tour. They've always been political.
I just don't understand why people continue to seem so surprised about it.
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Regardless of what Vedder says, I see Pearl Jam as a rock band first. The politics seems like an unncessary but sometimes entertaining extra. It's not that I'm not interested in politics, but I prefer to read up on it myself. Not to mention that Vedder is an absoutely fucking awful public speaker and it's kind of hard to take what he says seriously when you've got shitty songs like No More.
I see Sean Penn doing the rounds on these TV debate shows. Who knows if that makes an impact, but at least Penn goes out of his comfort zone and is willing to engage in debate with people who do not neccesairly share his views - Vedder should take a leaf from his book and stop preaching to the choir.
the world, and this country, isn't any better just because someone else is at the helm. if anybody thinks that one man can change things for the better....they are living in a magical fairy land.
If you look at our history there is plenty of evidence to suggest that the President actually has quite a bit of sway when it comes to the direction the country ultimately takes. For instance, take President FDR. He inherited a country that was embroiled in a economic crisis (AKA- The Great Depression). As a direct result of his policies (The New Deal), our country not only survived the depression, but many argue that it emerged better off than before the whole mess began. It took an intelligent and determined President like FDR to draft policies that would aid the nation for the long-term, and in the most efficient ways possible...
Now, on the flip-side of that is just the opposite. G.W. Bush, with all fairness, took a hard-nosed, politically biased approach to most of the larger problems that arose during his two terms, and again, as a direct result of those policies (or lack-there-of), we find ourselves in another mess (only this time it's a bit more far reaching than just our economic woes, as our foreign policy is in utter chaos as well).
Therefore, the inauguration of a new leader has wide sweeping effects on the direction this nation takes. Bear in mind that the new President comes along with an entire new team of advisers, with new policies and methods that are to be pursued. To say that this has no effect on how the country fairs, for better or worse, is wholly inaccurate and ignores history. I used only two examples here, but there are tons that can be used to study this point clearly on both sides (Such as: Polk and Buchanan (who are both considered to be among our five worst Presidents), Lincoln, Jackson, Monroe, Wilson, Teddy Roosevelt, and hell, even Clinton and Reagan...)
Let's hope that President-elect Obama can prove himself when he steps up to the plate, just as many of our greatest leaders have in the past. The world is watching...and so is Eddie, so that he has some fresh material to perform ;P
[After writing the post above I realized that I had neglected to make a crucial point about something. There are many, many people (besides government officials) who have single-handedly changed this world for the better (MLK, Gandhi, and Mother Teresa, to name a few). But besides the famous ones, there are singular people out there making a big difference, often times in small ways, every day. I think that it's extremely important to realize this point, because otherwise we'll become complacent. We must not just sit back and say, "Well, I can't do anything about it...I'm only one person." We need to leave this place better off than the way we found it, and that is entirely within our capabilities.]
I don't think it would be possible for No More to be a good song regardless of the subject matter. And I didn't see the original poster say all political songs were badly written, you put those words in his mouth. Next time you call someone an idiot, try to remember the apostrophe in you're.
No More is a great sing a long. The gist of the original post was that political songs are bad. plain and simple, no matter how you cut it.
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the world, and this country, isn't any better just because someone else is at the helm. if anybody thinks that one man can change things for the better....they are living in a magical fairy land.
Well, they're not just electing one man in charge, even though the huge emphasis on Obama makes it appear that way. With Obama comes 1,700 (is that the right number or am I way off? Remeber reading it somewhere) new employees of The White House, including policy makers, cheif of staff, communications director etc.
And that's just The White House. The Democrats seem to have a majority everywhere now, so change might not be out of reach.
That said, it's all very easy to spout out rhetoric in your speeches but that's different from reality. Eisenhower promised the world that he'd "liberate" countries from communism and look how that turned out...
Get over it already. Politics=passion.. without politics, we'd get boring songs about Last Kisses and Bugs.
Rearviewmirror, Betterman, Nothingman, Alive, Oceans, Release, Daughter, Black, Given To Fly, Satans Bed, Present Tense, Habit, In Hiding, Life Wasted, Parting Ways...
the world has barely begun to become fucked up. eddie will have plenty to write about for the foreseeable future.
Exactly!!
I like their political side, though a part of me wants to keep art innocent...away from politics.
I don't see peace in any form on account of Obama....example: despite great opposition by the EU and the people, he will continue plans with a Bush derived initiative that will build missile stations in the Czech Rep. and Poland...of course, to protect us from Iran...change is certainly in the air!
I don't see peace in any form on account of Obama....example: despite great opposition by the EU and the people, he will continue plans with a Bush derived initiative that will build missile stations in the Czech Rep. and Poland...of course, to protect us from Iran...change is certainly in the air!
The news headlines yesterday were all about how Obama is ready to immediately "undo" Bush's more politically biased policies...so change IS in the air.
In regards to the missile-shield, Obama just said that he is "not committed" to pursuing the Polish missile-shield...so we'll see what happens. It would do our relationship with Russia well if we dropped that project. Plus, I think that the missile-shield was designed to protect countries in the region (ie Israel, Poland) from other countries in the region (ie Russia, and Iran), not the US.
now when i spend 160 dollars on concert tickets i wont have to hear eddie spend half the show telling everyone about how evil bush is and hopefully they'll cut out all the anti war songs and maybe they're next record wont be smothered with shitty political songs..
Don't buy tickets if you're going to complain about the performance. Pearl Jam is politically minded, and I wouldn't have it any other way- so get over it, or don't waste your money. God knows I'd hate to have you standing behind me at a show bitching while "Undone" is being played live...no offense.
Dissent powers democracy. You should be thankful to bands like Pearl Jam for keeping politics in the discourse. Without them we'd spend all of our time spreading celebrity gossip!
I'll take inspired, passionate artists anyday. And the election of a promising leader won't take that away from this band, I think.
i agree. although, when obama leads us into the beginning of the end of our nation as we know it (which is what is going to happen) im sure eddie will stand up against the liberals that are ruining it right??!! ... lol i HATE liberals and i HATE politcs.
Is this post for real? If so, how's that anger working out for you?
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I thought you wasn't gonna argue.
Your a tool pal. Go cry to your mom about Eddie Vedder saying he doesn't like Bush, you pathetic fool.
I'm not crying man, and I'm not a moron...thanks
I adore Ed, let's be fair here, I mentioned he writes best when he writes about what he really knows which to me is human emotions, and not politics. And on that point, the stuff he wrote for the 'Into the Wild' album is better than anything he's written for PJ in years.
I love him dude, I love the band...I got a 'Pearl Jam Europe 1992' shirt, I bought it back in the day...believe me when I say I love them.
hey, you are very close to being reported man...say, that's why your light is out!!! I bet. Mr Invisible can't have a conversation without insulting people, so over time has developed a complex and decided he needs to use 'invisible mode' ? Is that it?
I love you anyway
Believe me when I say I love them talking and singing about politics.
You called me an ass kisser because I enjoy the politics in Pearl Jam music.
Your calling me mental pal. If you read back I didn't call you a name until you did me. Also I don't know what invisible mode is, so your just a goon.
okay, for that I'm giving you a big hairy lipped man kiss....come 'ere you.
btw...you don't know what 'invisible mode' is? so how come you use it? Or does someone else set up your account here?
I really have no idea what invisible mode is. I set up my account, where do I find it?
Also, I think we got carried away there, I am so amped up over the election, I'm pumped and kinda let are convo get a little heated.
Get over it already. Politics=passion.. without politics, we'd get boring songs about Last Kisses and Bugs.
ah, you'll get over elections. I remember when I gave a shit. Unless it's diffo in the states to here in Britain.
Strange about the invisible, it has to be activated and saved on the user cp.
strange how you cooled down as soon as I kissed you.....is that all you wanted from the start??
What is this? whare's all the political Pearl Jam anthems from the 90's??
i know, i'm crazy if i think he will stop now.
but maybe Obama really is about change!
gimme a hug man
and, btw....I like the guy Obama too
You must understand that a Pearl Jam concert is 95% music, and 5% politics. So, even the most ardent Republican will enjoy 95% of the show. Also, VERY MUCH unlike you, we can respect their opinions and that 5% doesn't really bug me. BUT, because of politics we had to listen to No More repetitively over the last tour. It is a terrible song. Virginia Beach lucked out and got Guaranteed. Think of how much good music we could have gotten out of Ed and a solo guitar (think his solo tour). It is a shame that you need Ed to tell you how to think, because otherwise he wouldn't need to say anything.
And to be perfectly clear, Pearl Jam fans who are conservatives are proven to be open-minded, otherwise we would have closed our minds off to Pearl Jam long ago. It is pretty obvious from your comments in this thread that you could not be a Pearl Jam fan if they were conservative, and that shows how close-minded YOU are. That's right, YOU are close minded, and obviously don't want to be surrounded by any point of view that is different than yours.
edit: take care.
TALK AFTER PORCH, EDDIE!
I agree, I could never be a fan of a band who loved George Bush and sang songs praising him. I'm lucky my favorite band feels the same as me. Your acting as if I would dispute the fact I wouldn't listen to music about the "great" republican party. I'll say it to anyone who wants to hear it " I wouldn't listen to a band sing songs about how great they thought George Bush is".
I loved the song No More, I think it is a powerful song. Your saying your not closed minded, then why are you complaining about all those Pearl Jam songs?
The main problem we have here is, I'm not the one complaining, it's you. I like the band how it is. Your the one who has the problem with them, so how is it your not the one who's close minded? And all of this is so pointless, Eddie Vedder is a political person and he has always been vocal. He's not gonna stop, am I the only one who thinks it's wierd that people are still complaining about something someone has done for 17 years, am I missing something? Did Ed give an interview where he said he got hit on the head and no longer is the same man he was before?
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I stand by what I said. By saying that they should shut up and that they have no right to speak out about what they believe politically, in essence you're saying that you have a right to express your opinion, but they don't.
If you want to hear music with no speeches, go home and download a bunch of songs off iTunes or something.
And yes, they have always been political. Note Ed writing "Pro Choice" on his arm when they did Unplugged, or talking crap about George Bush Sr. on several occasions during the 1992 Lollapalooza tour. They've always been political.
I just don't understand why people continue to seem so surprised about it.
I see Sean Penn doing the rounds on these TV debate shows. Who knows if that makes an impact, but at least Penn goes out of his comfort zone and is willing to engage in debate with people who do not neccesairly share his views - Vedder should take a leaf from his book and stop preaching to the choir.
If you look at our history there is plenty of evidence to suggest that the President actually has quite a bit of sway when it comes to the direction the country ultimately takes. For instance, take President FDR. He inherited a country that was embroiled in a economic crisis (AKA- The Great Depression). As a direct result of his policies (The New Deal), our country not only survived the depression, but many argue that it emerged better off than before the whole mess began. It took an intelligent and determined President like FDR to draft policies that would aid the nation for the long-term, and in the most efficient ways possible...
Now, on the flip-side of that is just the opposite. G.W. Bush, with all fairness, took a hard-nosed, politically biased approach to most of the larger problems that arose during his two terms, and again, as a direct result of those policies (or lack-there-of), we find ourselves in another mess (only this time it's a bit more far reaching than just our economic woes, as our foreign policy is in utter chaos as well).
Therefore, the inauguration of a new leader has wide sweeping effects on the direction this nation takes. Bear in mind that the new President comes along with an entire new team of advisers, with new policies and methods that are to be pursued. To say that this has no effect on how the country fairs, for better or worse, is wholly inaccurate and ignores history. I used only two examples here, but there are tons that can be used to study this point clearly on both sides (Such as: Polk and Buchanan (who are both considered to be among our five worst Presidents), Lincoln, Jackson, Monroe, Wilson, Teddy Roosevelt, and hell, even Clinton and Reagan...)
Let's hope that President-elect Obama can prove himself when he steps up to the plate, just as many of our greatest leaders have in the past. The world is watching...and so is Eddie, so that he has some fresh material to perform ;P
[After writing the post above I realized that I had neglected to make a crucial point about something. There are many, many people (besides government officials) who have single-handedly changed this world for the better (MLK, Gandhi, and Mother Teresa, to name a few). But besides the famous ones, there are singular people out there making a big difference, often times in small ways, every day. I think that it's extremely important to realize this point, because otherwise we'll become complacent. We must not just sit back and say, "Well, I can't do anything about it...I'm only one person." We need to leave this place better off than the way we found it, and that is entirely within our capabilities.]
But I will say this, No More is a terrible song.
No More is a great sing a long. The gist of the original post was that political songs are bad. plain and simple, no matter how you cut it.
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Well, they're not just electing one man in charge, even though the huge emphasis on Obama makes it appear that way. With Obama comes 1,700 (is that the right number or am I way off? Remeber reading it somewhere) new employees of The White House, including policy makers, cheif of staff, communications director etc.
And that's just The White House. The Democrats seem to have a majority everywhere now, so change might not be out of reach.
That said, it's all very easy to spout out rhetoric in your speeches but that's different from reality. Eisenhower promised the world that he'd "liberate" countries from communism and look how that turned out...
Rearviewmirror, Betterman, Nothingman, Alive, Oceans, Release, Daughter, Black, Given To Fly, Satans Bed, Present Tense, Habit, In Hiding, Life Wasted, Parting Ways...
Exactly!!
I like their political side, though a part of me wants to keep art innocent...away from politics.
I don't see peace in any form on account of Obama....example: despite great opposition by the EU and the people, he will continue plans with a Bush derived initiative that will build missile stations in the Czech Rep. and Poland...of course, to protect us from Iran...change is certainly in the air!
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08-NYC I/II, Hartford, Mansfield I/II
The news headlines yesterday were all about how Obama is ready to immediately "undo" Bush's more politically biased policies...so change IS in the air.
In regards to the missile-shield, Obama just said that he is "not committed" to pursuing the Polish missile-shield...so we'll see what happens. It would do our relationship with Russia well if we dropped that project. Plus, I think that the missile-shield was designed to protect countries in the region (ie Israel, Poland) from other countries in the region (ie Russia, and Iran), not the US.
Don't buy tickets if you're going to complain about the performance. Pearl Jam is politically minded, and I wouldn't have it any other way- so get over it, or don't waste your money. God knows I'd hate to have you standing behind me at a show bitching while "Undone" is being played live...no offense.
I'll take inspired, passionate artists anyday. And the election of a promising leader won't take that away from this band, I think.
Is this post for real? If so, how's that anger working out for you?