Immigration

Halifax2TheMax

And if I recall correctly, some of us were upset and bothered by the Obama immigration actions, maybe for different reasons and as we are now. Consistency, it’s a thing.

”Our number one job is to see this president fail.”

FiveBelow

Halifax2TheMax said:

FiveBelow said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

Have we already forgotten who the og and still reigning deporter-in-chief is? Clearly this cartoonist has. 

as I recall that was largely turn arounds AT the border and the others after the court process was completed, no?

You don’t remember the ICE raids? I do.

Maybe you can link to some massive ICE raids that occurred at job sites, manufacturing, slaughterhouses, etc. during the Obama administration. You know, to ease my conscience.

Clearly, you don’t see the difference or understand the differences in approaches.

I said his admin was the last to have a clue, but it was far from perfect, and you know everything I listed is true. It’s not a one for one exact comparison, just a reminder of a time you were okay with mass deportations. You know trump is trying his hardest to dethrone the champ.

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-democratic-national-convention-ap-fact-check-immigration-politics-2663c84832a13cdd7a8233becfc7a5f3#

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/461230-biden-incorrectly-claims-obama-administration-didnt-separate-families/

https://archive.thinkprogress.org/workplace-raid-buffalo-69390e0032ba/

Do you even read the links you posted? From the first link:

The former first lady was correct, however, in addressing the removal of children from parents at the border. 

The Obama administration separated migrant children from families under certain limited circumstances, like when the child’s safety appeared at risk or when the parent had a serious criminal history.

Different than a blanket policy and in an effort at cruelty as a deterrent, yes?

From your second link:

The Obama administration did not separate families as a matter of policy, as the Trump administration did as part of its “zero tolerance” border policy in 2018, but separations occurred on a case-by-case basis for parents being prosecuted on more serious charges than illegally crossing the border or in cases when an adult was suspected of not being a child’s parent, according to CNN.

From your third link:

The mass arrest of immigrants stems from a two-year long investigationinto the three Mexican restaurant owners who are accused of harboring undocumented immigrants and evading taxes. During the raid, agents also seized nine apartments and two houses where dozens of restaurant workers lived. Only a few of the restaurant workers received payroll checks, but undocumented workers were paid between $500 and $800 in cash every week.

That someone like you can’t tell the difference between what happened two administrations ago versus what is happening now within eight months is the real tell. You can try to same-same it and believe it’s all a sick burn and own of libs but all you’re really doing is exposing yourself as being conditioned to an authoritarian and intolerant society. Funny, because I don’t remember you cheering Obama on?

To further separate the two dem administrations from the two CCOOTWH ones, both Obama and Brandon tried extremely hard to work with Congress on immigration reform, Obama with DACA and Brandon with a bill torpedoed by CCOOTWH because an election was approaching and Herr Miller lusted for cruelty. But sure same-same.

One example of 5 restaurants, after a two year investigation, breaking the law, versus Phd students being snatched off the street, masked/armed thugs rolling up and grabbing people and national guard troops picking up litter in our nation’s capital and LA. Fucking stupid.

Maybe someone can bring up the Mariel boat lift?

How about you just point out something I stated that isn’t true? We can argue if we agree with how everything went down until we’re blue in the face, but that doesn’t change the reality of what I said:

Whatever eases your conscience. All I know is 3+ million of the “other” ultimately got booted, put in cages, separated, snatched from their job, etc., and nobody outside of immigrant advocates had much to say about it back then. For the record, that administration was the last that showed they had any idea of how to handle what most of you thought wasn’t even an issue prior to 2/7/24. The last 10 years have been a masterclass in how not to approach immigration and border security.

Halifax2TheMax

FiveBelow said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

FiveBelow said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

Have we already forgotten who the og and still reigning deporter-in-chief is? Clearly this cartoonist has. 

as I recall that was largely turn arounds AT the border and the others after the court process was completed, no?

You don’t remember the ICE raids? I do.

Maybe you can link to some massive ICE raids that occurred at job sites, manufacturing, slaughterhouses, etc. during the Obama administration. You know, to ease my conscience.

Clearly, you don’t see the difference or understand the differences in approaches.

I said his admin was the last to have a clue, but it was far from perfect, and you know everything I listed is true. It’s not a one for one exact comparison, just a reminder of a time you were okay with mass deportations. You know trump is trying his hardest to dethrone the champ.

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-democratic-national-convention-ap-fact-check-immigration-politics-2663c84832a13cdd7a8233becfc7a5f3#

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/461230-biden-incorrectly-claims-obama-administration-didnt-separate-families/

https://archive.thinkprogress.org/workplace-raid-buffalo-69390e0032ba/

Do you even read the links you posted? From the first link:

The former first lady was correct, however, in addressing the removal of children from parents at the border. 

The Obama administration separated migrant children from families under certain limited circumstances, like when the child’s safety appeared at risk or when the parent had a serious criminal history.

Different than a blanket policy and in an effort at cruelty as a deterrent, yes?

From your second link:

The Obama administration did not separate families as a matter of policy, as the Trump administration did as part of its “zero tolerance” border policy in 2018, but separations occurred on a case-by-case basis for parents being prosecuted on more serious charges than illegally crossing the border or in cases when an adult was suspected of not being a child’s parent, according to CNN.

From your third link:

The mass arrest of immigrants stems from a two-year long investigationinto the three Mexican restaurant owners who are accused of harboring undocumented immigrants and evading taxes. During the raid, agents also seized nine apartments and two houses where dozens of restaurant workers lived. Only a few of the restaurant workers received payroll checks, but undocumented workers were paid between $500 and $800 in cash every week.

That someone like you can’t tell the difference between what happened two administrations ago versus what is happening now within eight months is the real tell. You can try to same-same it and believe it’s all a sick burn and own of libs but all you’re really doing is exposing yourself as being conditioned to an authoritarian and intolerant society. Funny, because I don’t remember you cheering Obama on?

To further separate the two dem administrations from the two CCOOTWH ones, both Obama and Brandon tried extremely hard to work with Congress on immigration reform, Obama with DACA and Brandon with a bill torpedoed by CCOOTWH because an election was approaching and Herr Miller lusted for cruelty. But sure same-same.

One example of 5 restaurants, after a two year investigation, breaking the law, versus Phd students being snatched off the street, masked/armed thugs rolling up and grabbing people and national guard troops picking up litter in our nation’s capital and LA. Fucking stupid.

Maybe someone can bring up the Mariel boat lift?

How about you just point out something I stated that isn’t true? We can argue if we agree with how everything went down until we’re blue in the face, but that doesn’t change the reality of what I said:

Whatever eases your conscience. All I know is 3+ million of the “other” ultimately got booted, put in cages, separated, snatched from their job, etc., and nobody outside of immigrant advocates had much to say about it back then. For the record, that administration was the last that showed they had any idea of how to handle what most of you thought wasn’t even an issue prior to 2/7/24. The last 10 years have been a masterclass in how not to approach immigration and border security.

Because the approaches and tactics were/are not the same. How about you not same-same it? Find me a dem example of the below, from Letter From An American, that algorithm bias provider:

In Ellabell, Georgia, an immigration raid by agents from Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and Homeland Security on an electric vehicle battery plant has destabilized the project altogether. The plant was under construction by the South Korean carmaker Hyundai and the battery supplier LG Energy Solution. Federal agents swept through last week and arrested 475 people, 300 of whom were South Korean nationals. South Korean leaders are angry, and LG Energy has pulled most of its employees out of the United States. The detained workers are supposed to be repatriated tomorrow. 

As Farah Stockman and Rebecca Elliott of the New York Times note, the plan was billed as the biggest economic development project in Georgia’s history. Electrive reported today that LG Energy Solution is suspending construction of the factory. 

Halifax2TheMax

FiveBelow said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

FiveBelow said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

Have we already forgotten who the og and still reigning deporter-in-chief is? Clearly this cartoonist has. 

as I recall that was largely turn arounds AT the border and the others after the court process was completed, no?

You don’t remember the ICE raids? I do.

Maybe you can link to some massive ICE raids that occurred at job sites, manufacturing, slaughterhouses, etc. during the Obama administration. You know, to ease my conscience.

Clearly, you don’t see the difference or understand the differences in approaches.

I said his admin was the last to have a clue, but it was far from perfect, and you know everything I listed is true. It’s not a one for one exact comparison, just a reminder of a time you were okay with mass deportations. You know trump is trying his hardest to dethrone the champ.

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-democratic-national-convention-ap-fact-check-immigration-politics-2663c84832a13cdd7a8233becfc7a5f3#

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/461230-biden-incorrectly-claims-obama-administration-didnt-separate-families/

https://archive.thinkprogress.org/workplace-raid-buffalo-69390e0032ba/

Do you even read the links you posted? From the first link:

The former first lady was correct, however, in addressing the removal of children from parents at the border. 

The Obama administration separated migrant children from families under certain limited circumstances, like when the child’s safety appeared at risk or when the parent had a serious criminal history.

Different than a blanket policy and in an effort at cruelty as a deterrent, yes?

From your second link:

The Obama administration did not separate families as a matter of policy, as the Trump administration did as part of its “zero tolerance” border policy in 2018, but separations occurred on a case-by-case basis for parents being prosecuted on more serious charges than illegally crossing the border or in cases when an adult was suspected of not being a child’s parent, according to CNN.

From your third link:

The mass arrest of immigrants stems from a two-year long investigationinto the three Mexican restaurant owners who are accused of harboring undocumented immigrants and evading taxes. During the raid, agents also seized nine apartments and two houses where dozens of restaurant workers lived. Only a few of the restaurant workers received payroll checks, but undocumented workers were paid between $500 and $800 in cash every week.

That someone like you can’t tell the difference between what happened two administrations ago versus what is happening now within eight months is the real tell. You can try to same-same it and believe it’s all a sick burn and own of libs but all you’re really doing is exposing yourself as being conditioned to an authoritarian and intolerant society. Funny, because I don’t remember you cheering Obama on?

To further separate the two dem administrations from the two CCOOTWH ones, both Obama and Brandon tried extremely hard to work with Congress on immigration reform, Obama with DACA and Brandon with a bill torpedoed by CCOOTWH because an election was approaching and Herr Miller lusted for cruelty. But sure same-same.

One example of 5 restaurants, after a two year investigation, breaking the law, versus Phd students being snatched off the street, masked/armed thugs rolling up and grabbing people and national guard troops picking up litter in our nation’s capital and LA. Fucking stupid.

Maybe someone can bring up the Mariel boat lift?

How about you just point out something I stated that isn’t true? We can argue if we agree with how everything went down until we’re blue in the face, but that doesn’t change the reality of what I said:

Whatever eases your conscience. All I know is 3+ million of the “other” ultimately got booted, put in cages, separated, snatched from their job, etc., and nobody outside of immigrant advocates had much to say about it back then. For the record, that administration was the last that showed they had any idea of how to handle what most of you thought wasn’t even an issue prior to 2/7/24. The last 10 years have been a masterclass in how not to approach immigration and border security.

So for you, it’s not how the sausage is made, just that there’s a box of sausage in the freezer? Good to know.

You're probably okay with a boat with 11 souls on it blasted out of international waters under an as yet to be announced legal principle because of the fentanyl epidemic?

FiveBelow

Halifax2TheMax said:

FiveBelow said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

FiveBelow said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

Have we already forgotten who the og and still reigning deporter-in-chief is? Clearly this cartoonist has. 

as I recall that was largely turn arounds AT the border and the others after the court process was completed, no?

You don’t remember the ICE raids? I do.

Maybe you can link to some massive ICE raids that occurred at job sites, manufacturing, slaughterhouses, etc. during the Obama administration. You know, to ease my conscience.

Clearly, you don’t see the difference or understand the differences in approaches.

I said his admin was the last to have a clue, but it was far from perfect, and you know everything I listed is true. It’s not a one for one exact comparison, just a reminder of a time you were okay with mass deportations. You know trump is trying his hardest to dethrone the champ.

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-democratic-national-convention-ap-fact-check-immigration-politics-2663c84832a13cdd7a8233becfc7a5f3#

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/461230-biden-incorrectly-claims-obama-administration-didnt-separate-families/

https://archive.thinkprogress.org/workplace-raid-buffalo-69390e0032ba/

Do you even read the links you posted? From the first link:

The former first lady was correct, however, in addressing the removal of children from parents at the border. 

The Obama administration separated migrant children from families under certain limited circumstances, like when the child’s safety appeared at risk or when the parent had a serious criminal history.

Different than a blanket policy and in an effort at cruelty as a deterrent, yes?

From your second link:

The Obama administration did not separate families as a matter of policy, as the Trump administration did as part of its “zero tolerance” border policy in 2018, but separations occurred on a case-by-case basis for parents being prosecuted on more serious charges than illegally crossing the border or in cases when an adult was suspected of not being a child’s parent, according to CNN.

From your third link:

The mass arrest of immigrants stems from a two-year long investigationinto the three Mexican restaurant owners who are accused of harboring undocumented immigrants and evading taxes. During the raid, agents also seized nine apartments and two houses where dozens of restaurant workers lived. Only a few of the restaurant workers received payroll checks, but undocumented workers were paid between $500 and $800 in cash every week.

That someone like you can’t tell the difference between what happened two administrations ago versus what is happening now within eight months is the real tell. You can try to same-same it and believe it’s all a sick burn and own of libs but all you’re really doing is exposing yourself as being conditioned to an authoritarian and intolerant society. Funny, because I don’t remember you cheering Obama on?

To further separate the two dem administrations from the two CCOOTWH ones, both Obama and Brandon tried extremely hard to work with Congress on immigration reform, Obama with DACA and Brandon with a bill torpedoed by CCOOTWH because an election was approaching and Herr Miller lusted for cruelty. But sure same-same.

One example of 5 restaurants, after a two year investigation, breaking the law, versus Phd students being snatched off the street, masked/armed thugs rolling up and grabbing people and national guard troops picking up litter in our nation’s capital and LA. Fucking stupid.

Maybe someone can bring up the Mariel boat lift?

How about you just point out something I stated that isn’t true? We can argue if we agree with how everything went down until we’re blue in the face, but that doesn’t change the reality of what I said:

Whatever eases your conscience. All I know is 3+ million of the “other” ultimately got booted, put in cages, separated, snatched from their job, etc., and nobody outside of immigrant advocates had much to say about it back then. For the record, that administration was the last that showed they had any idea of how to handle what most of you thought wasn’t even an issue prior to 2/7/24. The last 10 years have been a masterclass in how not to approach immigration and border security.

So for you, it’s not how the sausage is made, just that there’s a box of sausage in the freezer? Good to know.

You're probably okay with a boat with 11 souls on it blasted out of international waters under an as yet to be announced legal principle because of the fentanyl epidemic?

You know what I meant, I’m well aware rational democrats exist. Here you go:
…and very few, outside of immigrant advocates, had much to say about it then. Focus on the meat (sausage) and potatoes.

As for the rest of your nonsense…

Halifax2TheMax

FiveBelow said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

FiveBelow said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

FiveBelow said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

Have we already forgotten who the og and still reigning deporter-in-chief is? Clearly this cartoonist has. 

as I recall that was largely turn arounds AT the border and the others after the court process was completed, no?

You don’t remember the ICE raids? I do.

Maybe you can link to some massive ICE raids that occurred at job sites, manufacturing, slaughterhouses, etc. during the Obama administration. You know, to ease my conscience.

Clearly, you don’t see the difference or understand the differences in approaches.

I said his admin was the last to have a clue, but it was far from perfect, and you know everything I listed is true. It’s not a one for one exact comparison, just a reminder of a time you were okay with mass deportations. You know trump is trying his hardest to dethrone the champ.

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-democratic-national-convention-ap-fact-check-immigration-politics-2663c84832a13cdd7a8233becfc7a5f3#

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/461230-biden-incorrectly-claims-obama-administration-didnt-separate-families/

https://archive.thinkprogress.org/workplace-raid-buffalo-69390e0032ba/

Do you even read the links you posted? From the first link:

The former first lady was correct, however, in addressing the removal of children from parents at the border. 

The Obama administration separated migrant children from families under certain limited circumstances, like when the child’s safety appeared at risk or when the parent had a serious criminal history.

Different than a blanket policy and in an effort at cruelty as a deterrent, yes?

From your second link:

The Obama administration did not separate families as a matter of policy, as the Trump administration did as part of its “zero tolerance” border policy in 2018, but separations occurred on a case-by-case basis for parents being prosecuted on more serious charges than illegally crossing the border or in cases when an adult was suspected of not being a child’s parent, according to CNN.

From your third link:

The mass arrest of immigrants stems from a two-year long investigationinto the three Mexican restaurant owners who are accused of harboring undocumented immigrants and evading taxes. During the raid, agents also seized nine apartments and two houses where dozens of restaurant workers lived. Only a few of the restaurant workers received payroll checks, but undocumented workers were paid between $500 and $800 in cash every week.

That someone like you can’t tell the difference between what happened two administrations ago versus what is happening now within eight months is the real tell. You can try to same-same it and believe it’s all a sick burn and own of libs but all you’re really doing is exposing yourself as being conditioned to an authoritarian and intolerant society. Funny, because I don’t remember you cheering Obama on?

To further separate the two dem administrations from the two CCOOTWH ones, both Obama and Brandon tried extremely hard to work with Congress on immigration reform, Obama with DACA and Brandon with a bill torpedoed by CCOOTWH because an election was approaching and Herr Miller lusted for cruelty. But sure same-same.

One example of 5 restaurants, after a two year investigation, breaking the law, versus Phd students being snatched off the street, masked/armed thugs rolling up and grabbing people and national guard troops picking up litter in our nation’s capital and LA. Fucking stupid.

Maybe someone can bring up the Mariel boat lift?

How about you just point out something I stated that isn’t true? We can argue if we agree with how everything went down until we’re blue in the face, but that doesn’t change the reality of what I said:

Whatever eases your conscience. All I know is 3+ million of the “other” ultimately got booted, put in cages, separated, snatched from their job, etc., and nobody outside of immigrant advocates had much to say about it back then. For the record, that administration was the last that showed they had any idea of how to handle what most of you thought wasn’t even an issue prior to 2/7/24. The last 10 years have been a masterclass in how not to approach immigration and border security.

So for you, it’s not how the sausage is made, just that there’s a box of sausage in the freezer? Good to know.

You're probably okay with a boat with 11 souls on it blasted out of international waters under an as yet to be announced legal principle because of the fentanyl epidemic?

You know what I meant, I’m well aware rational democrats exist. Here you go:
…and very few, outside of immigrant advocates, had much to say about it then. Focus on the meat (sausage) and potatoes.

As for the rest of your nonsense…

Lame ass same-saming. From two full administrations ago no less.

”Nonsense” is right. For the record, I do enjoy corn. On the cob, in salad, Mexican street style, before it gets deported.

FiveBelow

Halifax2TheMax said:

FiveBelow said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

FiveBelow said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

FiveBelow said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

Have we already forgotten who the og and still reigning deporter-in-chief is? Clearly this cartoonist has. 

as I recall that was largely turn arounds AT the border and the others after the court process was completed, no?

You don’t remember the ICE raids? I do.

Maybe you can link to some massive ICE raids that occurred at job sites, manufacturing, slaughterhouses, etc. during the Obama administration. You know, to ease my conscience.

Clearly, you don’t see the difference or understand the differences in approaches.

I said his admin was the last to have a clue, but it was far from perfect, and you know everything I listed is true. It’s not a one for one exact comparison, just a reminder of a time you were okay with mass deportations. You know trump is trying his hardest to dethrone the champ.

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-democratic-national-convention-ap-fact-check-immigration-politics-2663c84832a13cdd7a8233becfc7a5f3#

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/461230-biden-incorrectly-claims-obama-administration-didnt-separate-families/

https://archive.thinkprogress.org/workplace-raid-buffalo-69390e0032ba/

Do you even read the links you posted? From the first link:

The former first lady was correct, however, in addressing the removal of children from parents at the border. 

The Obama administration separated migrant children from families under certain limited circumstances, like when the child’s safety appeared at risk or when the parent had a serious criminal history.

Different than a blanket policy and in an effort at cruelty as a deterrent, yes?

From your second link:

The Obama administration did not separate families as a matter of policy, as the Trump administration did as part of its “zero tolerance” border policy in 2018, but separations occurred on a case-by-case basis for parents being prosecuted on more serious charges than illegally crossing the border or in cases when an adult was suspected of not being a child’s parent, according to CNN.

From your third link:

The mass arrest of immigrants stems from a two-year long investigationinto the three Mexican restaurant owners who are accused of harboring undocumented immigrants and evading taxes. During the raid, agents also seized nine apartments and two houses where dozens of restaurant workers lived. Only a few of the restaurant workers received payroll checks, but undocumented workers were paid between $500 and $800 in cash every week.

That someone like you can’t tell the difference between what happened two administrations ago versus what is happening now within eight months is the real tell. You can try to same-same it and believe it’s all a sick burn and own of libs but all you’re really doing is exposing yourself as being conditioned to an authoritarian and intolerant society. Funny, because I don’t remember you cheering Obama on?

To further separate the two dem administrations from the two CCOOTWH ones, both Obama and Brandon tried extremely hard to work with Congress on immigration reform, Obama with DACA and Brandon with a bill torpedoed by CCOOTWH because an election was approaching and Herr Miller lusted for cruelty. But sure same-same.

One example of 5 restaurants, after a two year investigation, breaking the law, versus Phd students being snatched off the street, masked/armed thugs rolling up and grabbing people and national guard troops picking up litter in our nation’s capital and LA. Fucking stupid.

Maybe someone can bring up the Mariel boat lift?

How about you just point out something I stated that isn’t true? We can argue if we agree with how everything went down until we’re blue in the face, but that doesn’t change the reality of what I said:

Whatever eases your conscience. All I know is 3+ million of the “other” ultimately got booted, put in cages, separated, snatched from their job, etc., and nobody outside of immigrant advocates had much to say about it back then. For the record, that administration was the last that showed they had any idea of how to handle what most of you thought wasn’t even an issue prior to 2/7/24. The last 10 years have been a masterclass in how not to approach immigration and border security.

So for you, it’s not how the sausage is made, just that there’s a box of sausage in the freezer? Good to know.

You're probably okay with a boat with 11 souls on it blasted out of international waters under an as yet to be announced legal principle because of the fentanyl epidemic?

You know what I meant, I’m well aware rational democrats exist. Here you go:
…and very few, outside of immigrant advocates, had much to say about it then. Focus on the meat (sausage) and potatoes.

As for the rest of your nonsense…

Lame ass same-saming. From two full administrations ago no less.

”Nonsense” is right. For the record, I do enjoy corn. On the cob, in salad, Mexican street style, before it gets deported.

Not same-saming as I already said. That admin had a clue, the last 3...not so much. 

Vitalogensia

FiveBelow said:

cincybearcat said:

Didn't people here complain that workplaces and companies weren't held accountable for breaking immigration laws previously?  Am I mis-remembering?  I have no idea how you all see everything so black and white and always based on your team.

No, Cindy. They’re the objective ones. To be fair, that was in a time when adults didn’t stare at their phones all day long allowing algorithms to continually feed their bias. 

“Cindy”?  Was that a typo or an attempt to insult? 

tbergs

Halifax2TheMax said:

FiveBelow said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

FiveBelow said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

Have we already forgotten who the og and still reigning deporter-in-chief is? Clearly this cartoonist has. 

as I recall that was largely turn arounds AT the border and the others after the court process was completed, no?

You don’t remember the ICE raids? I do.

Maybe you can link to some massive ICE raids that occurred at job sites, manufacturing, slaughterhouses, etc. during the Obama administration. You know, to ease my conscience.

Clearly, you don’t see the difference or understand the differences in approaches.

I said his admin was the last to have a clue, but it was far from perfect, and you know everything I listed is true. It’s not a one for one exact comparison, just a reminder of a time you were okay with mass deportations. You know trump is trying his hardest to dethrone the champ.

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-democratic-national-convention-ap-fact-check-immigration-politics-2663c84832a13cdd7a8233becfc7a5f3#

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/461230-biden-incorrectly-claims-obama-administration-didnt-separate-families/

https://archive.thinkprogress.org/workplace-raid-buffalo-69390e0032ba/

Do you even read the links you posted? From the first link:

The former first lady was correct, however, in addressing the removal of children from parents at the border. 

The Obama administration separated migrant children from families under certain limited circumstances, like when the child’s safety appeared at risk or when the parent had a serious criminal history.

Different than a blanket policy and in an effort at cruelty as a deterrent, yes?

From your second link:

The Obama administration did not separate families as a matter of policy, as the Trump administration did as part of its “zero tolerance” border policy in 2018, but separations occurred on a case-by-case basis for parents being prosecuted on more serious charges than illegally crossing the border or in cases when an adult was suspected of not being a child’s parent, according to CNN.

From your third link:

The mass arrest of immigrants stems from a two-year long investigationinto the three Mexican restaurant owners who are accused of harboring undocumented immigrants and evading taxes. During the raid, agents also seized nine apartments and two houses where dozens of restaurant workers lived. Only a few of the restaurant workers received payroll checks, but undocumented workers were paid between $500 and $800 in cash every week.

That someone like you can’t tell the difference between what happened two administrations ago versus what is happening now within eight months is the real tell. You can try to same-same it and believe it’s all a sick burn and own of libs but all you’re really doing is exposing yourself as being conditioned to an authoritarian and intolerant society. Funny, because I don’t remember you cheering Obama on?

To further separate the two dem administrations from the two CCOOTWH ones, both Obama and Brandon tried extremely hard to work with Congress on immigration reform, Obama with DACA and Brandon with a bill torpedoed by CCOOTWH because an election was approaching and Herr Miller lusted for cruelty. But sure same-same.

One example of 5 restaurants, after a two year investigation, breaking the law, versus Phd students being snatched off the street, masked/armed thugs rolling up and grabbing people and national guard troops picking up litter in our nation’s capital and LA. Fucking stupid.

Maybe someone can bring up the Mariel boat lift?

How about you just point out something I stated that isn’t true? We can argue if we agree with how everything went down until we’re blue in the face, but that doesn’t change the reality of what I said:

Whatever eases your conscience. All I know is 3+ million of the “other” ultimately got booted, put in cages, separated, snatched from their job, etc., and nobody outside of immigrant advocates had much to say about it back then. For the record, that administration was the last that showed they had any idea of how to handle what most of you thought wasn’t even an issue prior to 2/7/24. The last 10 years have been a masterclass in how not to approach immigration and border security.

Because the approaches and tactics were/are not the same. How about you not same-same it? Find me a dem example of the below, from Letter From An American, that algorithm bias provider:

In Ellabell, Georgia, an immigration raid by agents from Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and Homeland Security on an electric vehicle battery plant has destabilized the project altogether. The plant was under construction by the South Korean carmaker Hyundai and the battery supplier LG Energy Solution. Federal agents swept through last week and arrested 475 people, 300 of whom were South Korean nationals. South Korean leaders are angry, and LG Energy has pulled most of its employees out of the United States. The detained workers are supposed to be repatriated tomorrow. 

As Farah Stockman and Rebecca Elliott of the New York Times note, the plan was billed as the biggest economic development project in Georgia’s history. Electrive reported today that LG Energy Solution is suspending construction of the factory. 

You're picking the wrong hill to die on if you're focusing on the Hyundai factory investigation that was organized and had a search warrant. The people weren't properly hired and lacked the necessary work clearances. What are you trying to argue? I think those who were in charge of hiring need to also face some sort of consequence, but deportation of someone not authorized to be here is a losing battle. 

FiveBelow

Vitalogensia said:

FiveBelow said:

cincybearcat said:

Didn't people here complain that workplaces and companies weren't held accountable for breaking immigration laws previously?  Am I mis-remembering?  I have no idea how you all see everything so black and white and always based on your team.

No, Cindy. They’re the objective ones. To be fair, that was in a time when adults didn’t stare at their phones all day long allowing algorithms to continually feed their bias. 

“Cindy”?  Was that a typo or an attempt to insult? 

Typo. Didn't even notice.

Fixed.

HughFreakingDillon

FiveBelow said:

Vitalogensia said:

FiveBelow said:

cincybearcat said:

Didn't people here complain that workplaces and companies weren't held accountable for breaking immigration laws previously?  Am I mis-remembering?  I have no idea how you all see everything so black and white and always based on your team.

No, Cindy. They’re the objective ones. To be fair, that was in a time when adults didn’t stare at their phones all day long allowing algorithms to continually feed their bias. 

“Cindy”?  Was that a typo or an attempt to insult? 

Typo. Didn't even notice.

Fixed.

haha I made the same mistake back in the day. 

cincybearcat

HughFreakingDillon said:

FiveBelow said:

Vitalogensia said:

FiveBelow said:

cincybearcat said:

Didn't people here complain that workplaces and companies weren't held accountable for breaking immigration laws previously?  Am I mis-remembering?  I have no idea how you all see everything so black and white and always based on your team.

No, Cindy. They’re the objective ones. To be fair, that was in a time when adults didn’t stare at their phones all day long allowing algorithms to continually feed their bias. 

“Cindy”?  Was that a typo or an attempt to insult? 

Typo. Didn't even notice.

Fixed.

haha I made the same mistake back in the day. 

Yeah I just figure most of you are such idiots you can barely read.

FiveBelow

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

FiveBelow said:

Vitalogensia said:

FiveBelow said:

cincybearcat said:

Didn't people here complain that workplaces and companies weren't held accountable for breaking immigration laws previously?  Am I mis-remembering?  I have no idea how you all see everything so black and white and always based on your team.

No, Cindy. They’re the objective ones. To be fair, that was in a time when adults didn’t stare at their phones all day long allowing algorithms to continually feed their bias. 

“Cindy”?  Was that a typo or an attempt to insult? 

Typo. Didn't even notice.

Fixed.

haha I made the same mistake back in the day. 

Yeah I just figure most of you are such idiots you can barely read.

Ha! Or type...

Halifax2TheMax

tbergs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

FiveBelow said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

FiveBelow said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

Have we already forgotten who the og and still reigning deporter-in-chief is? Clearly this cartoonist has. 

as I recall that was largely turn arounds AT the border and the others after the court process was completed, no?

You don’t remember the ICE raids? I do.

Maybe you can link to some massive ICE raids that occurred at job sites, manufacturing, slaughterhouses, etc. during the Obama administration. You know, to ease my conscience.

Clearly, you don’t see the difference or understand the differences in approaches.

I said his admin was the last to have a clue, but it was far from perfect, and you know everything I listed is true. It’s not a one for one exact comparison, just a reminder of a time you were okay with mass deportations. You know trump is trying his hardest to dethrone the champ.

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-democratic-national-convention-ap-fact-check-immigration-politics-2663c84832a13cdd7a8233becfc7a5f3#

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/461230-biden-incorrectly-claims-obama-administration-didnt-separate-families/

https://archive.thinkprogress.org/workplace-raid-buffalo-69390e0032ba/

Do you even read the links you posted? From the first link:

The former first lady was correct, however, in addressing the removal of children from parents at the border. 

The Obama administration separated migrant children from families under certain limited circumstances, like when the child’s safety appeared at risk or when the parent had a serious criminal history.

Different than a blanket policy and in an effort at cruelty as a deterrent, yes?

From your second link:

The Obama administration did not separate families as a matter of policy, as the Trump administration did as part of its “zero tolerance” border policy in 2018, but separations occurred on a case-by-case basis for parents being prosecuted on more serious charges than illegally crossing the border or in cases when an adult was suspected of not being a child’s parent, according to CNN.

From your third link:

The mass arrest of immigrants stems from a two-year long investigationinto the three Mexican restaurant owners who are accused of harboring undocumented immigrants and evading taxes. During the raid, agents also seized nine apartments and two houses where dozens of restaurant workers lived. Only a few of the restaurant workers received payroll checks, but undocumented workers were paid between $500 and $800 in cash every week.

That someone like you can’t tell the difference between what happened two administrations ago versus what is happening now within eight months is the real tell. You can try to same-same it and believe it’s all a sick burn and own of libs but all you’re really doing is exposing yourself as being conditioned to an authoritarian and intolerant society. Funny, because I don’t remember you cheering Obama on?

To further separate the two dem administrations from the two CCOOTWH ones, both Obama and Brandon tried extremely hard to work with Congress on immigration reform, Obama with DACA and Brandon with a bill torpedoed by CCOOTWH because an election was approaching and Herr Miller lusted for cruelty. But sure same-same.

One example of 5 restaurants, after a two year investigation, breaking the law, versus Phd students being snatched off the street, masked/armed thugs rolling up and grabbing people and national guard troops picking up litter in our nation’s capital and LA. Fucking stupid.

Maybe someone can bring up the Mariel boat lift?

How about you just point out something I stated that isn’t true? We can argue if we agree with how everything went down until we’re blue in the face, but that doesn’t change the reality of what I said:

Whatever eases your conscience. All I know is 3+ million of the “other” ultimately got booted, put in cages, separated, snatched from their job, etc., and nobody outside of immigrant advocates had much to say about it back then. For the record, that administration was the last that showed they had any idea of how to handle what most of you thought wasn’t even an issue prior to 2/7/24. The last 10 years have been a masterclass in how not to approach immigration and border security.

Because the approaches and tactics were/are not the same. How about you not same-same it? Find me a dem example of the below, from Letter From An American, that algorithm bias provider:

In Ellabell, Georgia, an immigration raid by agents from Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and Homeland Security on an electric vehicle battery plant has destabilized the project altogether. The plant was under construction by the South Korean carmaker Hyundai and the battery supplier LG Energy Solution. Federal agents swept through last week and arrested 475 people, 300 of whom were South Korean nationals. South Korean leaders are angry, and LG Energy has pulled most of its employees out of the United States. The detained workers are supposed to be repatriated tomorrow. 

As Farah Stockman and Rebecca Elliott of the New York Times note, the plan was billed as the biggest economic development project in Georgia’s history. Electrive reported today that LG Energy Solution is suspending construction of the factory. 

You're picking the wrong hill to die on if you're focusing on the Hyundai factory investigation that was organized and had a search warrant. The people weren't properly hired and lacked the necessary work clearances. What are you trying to argue? I think those who were in charge of hiring need to also face some sort of consequence, but deportation of someone not authorized to be here is a losing battle. 

Because if even one person legally authorized to be living and working in the US or an actual citizen, as has already been documented numerous times, is swept up, detained and deported, then the law no longer applies. So, which is it? 1 or 475? Or some number in between? Meh, who cares, Obama did it too.

”Because they ‘can’ and ‘do’.” Welcome to authoritarianism because I don’t remember that from two administrations ago.

The document shows that immigration officials are aware that someone with a valid visa was among the people arrested during the raid at the Hyundai factory and taken to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) detention for removal proceedings, where the people arrested remained on Tuesday before expected deportation flights back to South Korea.

The document in question reports on the man’s case and was leaked exclusively to the Guardian. It was written by an Ice agent. The Guardian is redacting the identity of the man in question, who arrived in the US in June, because it has not been possible to reach him directly and it is unclear whether he has any legal representation.

The document says that immigration agents from Atlanta “determined that [redacted] entered into the United States in [redacted], with a valid B1/B2 visa and [redacted] was employed at HL-GA Battery Company LLC as a contractor from the South Korean company SFA. From statements made and queries in law enforcement databases, [redacted] has not violated his visa; however, the Atlanta Field Office Director has mandated [redacted] be presented as a Voluntary Departure. [Redacted] has accepted voluntary departure despite not violating his B1/B2 visa requirements.”

The internal file describes “an actual crime”, according to Charles Kuck, an immigration attorney based in Georgia – but with the crime allegedly being committed by the government, not the detainee in question. Kuck, who is representing a number of people arrested during last week’s raid, said it was illegal to detain a valid visa holder in this way.

“This is outrageous,” Kuck said.

The document contradicts claims by the agency that all 475 people arrested during the raid were working illegally or violating their visas. Attorneys scrambling in recent days to provide representation to the men detained had already claimedthat immigrants with a valid working status were swept up alongside the people allegedly working unlawfully, and placed in removal proceedings. That view was backed up by an agency official who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive government matters.

The arrest “is illegal”, the official claimed in an interview with the Guardian. The government maintains it is the detainee who acted unlawfully.

It is not yet clear whether other people with valid visas were detained in the raid, nor how many were actually alleged to be working illegally at the factory.

Approximately 300 people arrested could be put on flights back to South Korea as early as Wednesday, according to one source familiar with events who requested anonymity to speak about what is going on behind the scenes. Non-Koreans arrested during the operation are expected to remain in Ice detention.

Last Thursday, Ice led a raid at the Hyundai battery factory under construction in Ellabell, near Savannah, Georgia, and arrested nearly 500 people, the majority of whom were from South Korea, part of a $12.6bn investment program in Georgia by the company. Construction had to be halted on the plant that is designed to supply batteries for electric vehicles.

A spokesperson for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), the federal parent agency of Ice, said in a statement to the Guardian that: “This individual admitted to unauthorized work on a B1/B2 visa. He was offered voluntary departure and accepted it,” despite this being the opposite of what the leaked document says. When pressed for further clarification, the DHS reiterated its first statement. Ice did not respond to a request for comment about legal workers being arrested.

“This is a clear violation of the law in detaining somebody who is not lawfully detainable,” Kuck said. “That’s a crime – that’s unlawful imprisonment in the United States. This isn’t an accident. People go to prison for stuff like this.”

According to the file written by an agent with Homeland Security Investigations (HSI), an agency within Ice, the man entered the US “with a valid B1/B2 visa”, which allows for some business-related activities and tourism. He was at the Hyundai factory as a contractor with a South Korean company.

“‘ Voluntarily’ means something different in immigration than it does in the real world,” Kuck said. “When you basically leave under Ice custody, then you have immigration consequences that come with that, including the loss of visa and possibly an inability to return [to the US].”

After the raid, additional Ice officers and agents were sent to the detention facility to process the sheer number of people arrested, according to the agency official who spoke to the Guardian.

Although officials say that the people arrested were in some violation of immigration laws, many others with valid legal status were offered voluntary departure, the official claimed. The official added that it was unclear what would happen with any legal immigrants who refuse to be deported voluntarily, since there is “no legal mechanism to remove them if they are not in violation” of US civil immigration laws. There is no suggestion that the Korean man in question has a criminal record in the US.

“The arrest itself is illegal and this just might be a way of pushing up [arrest] numbers and covering up mistakes,” the official added.

The raid angered the South Korean government, which announced billions of dollars of investment in the US following a new trade deal between the countries. On Sunday, the South Korean and US governments negotiated a deal to take the arrested workers home.

“These workers were put in incredibly vulnerable positions,” said Samantha Hamilton, a litigation attorney with Asian Americans Advancing Justice-Atlanta. She emphasized that the men had ended up imperiled simply by taking up the opportunity of work on what was an ambitious international project.

The DHS and Ice did not respond to requests for comment on allegations that they are pressuring the detainees to agree to be deported.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/10/hyundai-factory-ice-raid-legal-visa

That people trust anything from this administration is a sure sign of how far ‘Murikkka has fallen.

Halifax2TheMax

Sorry for expecting better from our elected gubmint.

mickeyrat