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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,644
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Get_Right said:
    benjs said:
    Get_Right said:
    benjs said:
    Get_Right said:
    benjs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    So what has Trump accomplished with this tariff war so far?
    - Turned the west against him even more
    - unsettled the stock market
    - decreased US tourism
    - decreased purchasing of US goods in Canada and Mexico and the EU
    - increased political solidarity in Canada, Mexico, and the EU
    - added 10,000 Mexican troops at the southern border
    - forced Canada to overspend on border security for an essentially irrelevant impact (not that i argue against the illegal drug trade or illegal immigration - nobody does, and nobody ever has)
    - destroyed America's good relationship with its strongest trading partners

    Awesome. Bravo to the GOP.

    I think he also showed himself as a pretty weak negotiator, who threatens with bully tactics but might be too chicken-shit to actually do these things in the first place. 

    I think Trump was probably well advised that invoking the Emergency Powers Act to impose tariffs may not survive judicial scrutiny, but was also advised that there was nothing to lose. His position is that Canada and Mexico are not doing enough and was looking for potential solutions that could be swiftly implemented without seeking Congressional approval. He was not chicken shit in 2018 when it came to China and those actions have survived judicial scrutiny. 
    Strange that you don't think credibility in negotiations is something important for a president to possess. People talk about political capital all the time - well, how about trust capital with respect to foreign relations? Trump has none. This kind of strong-arm tactic won't work time and time again.

    Also, the nonchalance with which Trump spoke of the pain which his own citizens would endure 'temporarily' would give pause to anyone with their brain still activated on the day-to-day. 

    I think it is important to show strength, even if it is smoke and mirrors. I think the nonchalance speaks to the fact that the US economy survived his tariff actions in 2018. It hurt at first, but most businesses survived. The GOP is not exactly known for its concern with the individual.
    And who votes the GOP into office again?

    As for strength - you’ve got the president who cried wolf, and now the world knows it. Let’s see if the world wants to get into a boxing match when they realize he’s a wrestler and it’s all a show. Someone’s going to say, game on.

    For better or worse, the people have spoken. He has not cried wolf, he granted a reprise. There is really only one country we need to fear, China.

    less than 50% vote total spoke for hom. 77,3xx,xxx  miilion out of some 240 million eligible to vote spoke.  fun fact. 77,9xx,xxx voted for somebody else.

    Thank you for pointing out what gets overlooked too often.  The people have not spoken. 
    Disagree....he won both the popular and electoral votes. And the GOP controls the House and Senate.

    Gerrymandering, voter suppression.  I don't think the people have spoken.  But it doesn't matter.  We're stuck with a clown president Dictator, and his side kick just executed a coup on the nations financing.  We are no longer a democracy. 
    "Don't give in to the lies.  Don't give in to the fear. Hold on to the truth.  And to hope."
    -Jim Acosta











  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,427
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Like it or not, politics is a dirty business in the US. To think otherwise is to be naive. Trump made a promise to levy tariffs if our neighboring countries do not allocate more resources to border security. He kept his promise in less than a month. The efficacy remains to been seen and it is likely his executive orders would not withstand judicial scrutiny, but he made a promise and kept it. I cannot say that about many politicians in the US.

    No one manipulates facts like this dude. No one.

    And your comment is Not exactly true when taken in context,  per the AP:


    “Unlike during the 2024 campaign, when Trump billed his economic agenda as guaranteed to reduce the cost of living for Americans, the Republcan president now is acknowledging what many economists have long forecasted: that the levies could yield higher prices and lower supplies across the market.”

    My comments address his actions on tariffs regarding border security, not economic impact of tariffs on US citizens with respect to the importation of tangible goods or the cost of living. It does not take much manipulation of facts to assess the financial impact of fentanyl being imported into our country, whether direct from China or through our North American neighbors. And all politicians manipulate facts to support their agenda.
    Canada is an open border with no fence. Republican supporters are out of their minds if they think Canada is a significant contributor to the immigration problem. 

    So in your republican logic, let’s tank our economy to solve ten percent of the immigration problem, maybe.

    Not immigration. Drug smuggling.
    The drugs crossing the Canada/US border to the US account for like .0002% of all drugs smuggled into the US. Trump is a moron. 

    .2%, of identified fentanyl seizures. That does not account for what was not identified, or other drugs that may contain fentanyl. Do people really think it is a bad thing if Canada and Mexico increased border security with drug smugglers as a specific target?   They have 30 days to put their money where their mouth is. Trump may very well be a moron, and I can see how people think this is bad politics. But if Canada and Mexico do even 20% of what they promised, then fewer drugs may enter our country. I fail to see how that is a bad thing.
    the point is the ends don't, in any way shape or form, justify his idiotic means. 

    What is idiotic about issuing executive orders to try and get traction from our neighbors?
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,883
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Like it or not, politics is a dirty business in the US. To think otherwise is to be naive. Trump made a promise to levy tariffs if our neighboring countries do not allocate more resources to border security. He kept his promise in less than a month. The efficacy remains to been seen and it is likely his executive orders would not withstand judicial scrutiny, but he made a promise and kept it. I cannot say that about many politicians in the US.

    No one manipulates facts like this dude. No one.

    And your comment is Not exactly true when taken in context,  per the AP:


    “Unlike during the 2024 campaign, when Trump billed his economic agenda as guaranteed to reduce the cost of living for Americans, the Republcan president now is acknowledging what many economists have long forecasted: that the levies could yield higher prices and lower supplies across the market.”

    My comments address his actions on tariffs regarding border security, not economic impact of tariffs on US citizens with respect to the importation of tangible goods or the cost of living. It does not take much manipulation of facts to assess the financial impact of fentanyl being imported into our country, whether direct from China or through our North American neighbors. And all politicians manipulate facts to support their agenda.
    Canada is an open border with no fence. Republican supporters are out of their minds if they think Canada is a significant contributor to the immigration problem. 

    So in your republican logic, let’s tank our economy to solve ten percent of the immigration problem, maybe.

    Not immigration. Drug smuggling.
    The drugs crossing the Canada/US border to the US account for like .0002% of all drugs smuggled into the US. Trump is a moron. 

    .2%, of identified fentanyl seizures. That does not account for what was not identified, or other drugs that may contain fentanyl. Do people really think it is a bad thing if Canada and Mexico increased border security with drug smugglers as a specific target?   They have 30 days to put their money where their mouth is. Trump may very well be a moron, and I can see how people think this is bad politics. But if Canada and Mexico do even 20% of what they promised, then fewer drugs may enter our country. I fail to see how that is a bad thing.
    the point is the ends don't, in any way shape or form, justify his idiotic means. 

    What is idiotic about issuing executive orders to try and get traction from our neighbors?
    causing domestic and global chaos is not how one legislates. 
    "Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk"
    -EV  8/14/93




  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,534
    mickeyrat said:
    Get_Right said:
    benjs said:
    Get_Right said:
    benjs said:
    Get_Right said:
    benjs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    So what has Trump accomplished with this tariff war so far?
    - Turned the west against him even more
    - unsettled the stock market
    - decreased US tourism
    - decreased purchasing of US goods in Canada and Mexico and the EU
    - increased political solidarity in Canada, Mexico, and the EU
    - added 10,000 Mexican troops at the southern border
    - forced Canada to overspend on border security for an essentially irrelevant impact (not that i argue against the illegal drug trade or illegal immigration - nobody does, and nobody ever has)
    - destroyed America's good relationship with its strongest trading partners

    Awesome. Bravo to the GOP.

    I think he also showed himself as a pretty weak negotiator, who threatens with bully tactics but might be too chicken-shit to actually do these things in the first place. 

    I think Trump was probably well advised that invoking the Emergency Powers Act to impose tariffs may not survive judicial scrutiny, but was also advised that there was nothing to lose. His position is that Canada and Mexico are not doing enough and was looking for potential solutions that could be swiftly implemented without seeking Congressional approval. He was not chicken shit in 2018 when it came to China and those actions have survived judicial scrutiny. 
    Strange that you don't think credibility in negotiations is something important for a president to possess. People talk about political capital all the time - well, how about trust capital with respect to foreign relations? Trump has none. This kind of strong-arm tactic won't work time and time again.

    Also, the nonchalance with which Trump spoke of the pain which his own citizens would endure 'temporarily' would give pause to anyone with their brain still activated on the day-to-day. 

    I think it is important to show strength, even if it is smoke and mirrors. I think the nonchalance speaks to the fact that the US economy survived his tariff actions in 2018. It hurt at first, but most businesses survived. The GOP is not exactly known for its concern with the individual.
    And who votes the GOP into office again?

    As for strength - you’ve got the president who cried wolf, and now the world knows it. Let’s see if the world wants to get into a boxing match when they realize he’s a wrestler and it’s all a show. Someone’s going to say, game on.

    For better or worse, the people have spoken. He has not cried wolf, he granted a reprise. There is really only one country we need to fear, China.

    less than 50% vote total spoke for hom. 77,3xx,xxx  miilion out of some 240 million eligible to vote spoke.  fun fact. 77,9xx,xxx voted for somebody else.
    I don't think you're ever going to get more voter turnout, that has nothing to do with the EC. And the winer often doesn't;t get more than 50% of the vote either.
    But the EC can use some tweaking. I don't like the all or nothing for example, should get electoral votes based on percentage or districts won.
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 10,056
    mace1229 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Get_Right said:
    benjs said:
    Get_Right said:
    benjs said:
    Get_Right said:
    benjs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    So what has Trump accomplished with this tariff war so far?
    - Turned the west against him even more
    - unsettled the stock market
    - decreased US tourism
    - decreased purchasing of US goods in Canada and Mexico and the EU
    - increased political solidarity in Canada, Mexico, and the EU
    - added 10,000 Mexican troops at the southern border
    - forced Canada to overspend on border security for an essentially irrelevant impact (not that i argue against the illegal drug trade or illegal immigration - nobody does, and nobody ever has)
    - destroyed America's good relationship with its strongest trading partners

    Awesome. Bravo to the GOP.

    I think he also showed himself as a pretty weak negotiator, who threatens with bully tactics but might be too chicken-shit to actually do these things in the first place. 

    I think Trump was probably well advised that invoking the Emergency Powers Act to impose tariffs may not survive judicial scrutiny, but was also advised that there was nothing to lose. His position is that Canada and Mexico are not doing enough and was looking for potential solutions that could be swiftly implemented without seeking Congressional approval. He was not chicken shit in 2018 when it came to China and those actions have survived judicial scrutiny. 
    Strange that you don't think credibility in negotiations is something important for a president to possess. People talk about political capital all the time - well, how about trust capital with respect to foreign relations? Trump has none. This kind of strong-arm tactic won't work time and time again.

    Also, the nonchalance with which Trump spoke of the pain which his own citizens would endure 'temporarily' would give pause to anyone with their brain still activated on the day-to-day. 

    I think it is important to show strength, even if it is smoke and mirrors. I think the nonchalance speaks to the fact that the US economy survived his tariff actions in 2018. It hurt at first, but most businesses survived. The GOP is not exactly known for its concern with the individual.
    And who votes the GOP into office again?

    As for strength - you’ve got the president who cried wolf, and now the world knows it. Let’s see if the world wants to get into a boxing match when they realize he’s a wrestler and it’s all a show. Someone’s going to say, game on.

    For better or worse, the people have spoken. He has not cried wolf, he granted a reprise. There is really only one country we need to fear, China.

    less than 50% vote total spoke for hom. 77,3xx,xxx  miilion out of some 240 million eligible to vote spoke.  fun fact. 77,9xx,xxx voted for somebody else.
    I don't think you're ever going to get more voter turnout, that has nothing to do with the EC. And the winer often doesn't;t get more than 50% of the vote either.
    But the EC can use some tweaking. I don't like the all or nothing for example, should get electoral votes based on percentage or districts won.
    Percentage of EC votes for the state based on popular vote breakdown of that state. I think that will change the 270 requirement though so some recalculating would be needed. 
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,427
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Like it or not, politics is a dirty business in the US. To think otherwise is to be naive. Trump made a promise to levy tariffs if our neighboring countries do not allocate more resources to border security. He kept his promise in less than a month. The efficacy remains to been seen and it is likely his executive orders would not withstand judicial scrutiny, but he made a promise and kept it. I cannot say that about many politicians in the US.

    No one manipulates facts like this dude. No one.

    And your comment is Not exactly true when taken in context,  per the AP:


    “Unlike during the 2024 campaign, when Trump billed his economic agenda as guaranteed to reduce the cost of living for Americans, the Republcan president now is acknowledging what many economists have long forecasted: that the levies could yield higher prices and lower supplies across the market.”

    My comments address his actions on tariffs regarding border security, not economic impact of tariffs on US citizens with respect to the importation of tangible goods or the cost of living. It does not take much manipulation of facts to assess the financial impact of fentanyl being imported into our country, whether direct from China or through our North American neighbors. And all politicians manipulate facts to support their agenda.
    Canada is an open border with no fence. Republican supporters are out of their minds if they think Canada is a significant contributor to the immigration problem. 

    So in your republican logic, let’s tank our economy to solve ten percent of the immigration problem, maybe.

    Not immigration. Drug smuggling.
    The drugs crossing the Canada/US border to the US account for like .0002% of all drugs smuggled into the US. Trump is a moron. 

    .2%, of identified fentanyl seizures. That does not account for what was not identified, or other drugs that may contain fentanyl. Do people really think it is a bad thing if Canada and Mexico increased border security with drug smugglers as a specific target?   They have 30 days to put their money where their mouth is. Trump may very well be a moron, and I can see how people think this is bad politics. But if Canada and Mexico do even 20% of what they promised, then fewer drugs may enter our country. I fail to see how that is a bad thing.
    the point is the ends don't, in any way shape or form, justify his idiotic means. 

    What is idiotic about issuing executive orders to try and get traction from our neighbors?
    causing domestic and global chaos is not how one legislates. 

    He has been threatening tariffs from day one. Any chaos is caused by companies and countries that refuse take him seriously, even after his actions during his first term. Our historical way of legislating does not seem to work, at least from Trump's perspective.
  • DE4173DE4173 Posts: 1,125
    EC 2016: 😡
    EC 2020: 😴
    EC 2024: 😡
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 10,056
    DE4173 said:
    EC 2016: 😡
    EC 2020: 😴
    EC 2024: 😡
    You can go back a few decades with these. 2000 is for sure the year that should have ushered in changes, but then again 2012 should have ushered in gun control changes. It isn't happening. Either way, someone will always be unhappy after an election. I don't think it's rigged or stolen, but much like SCOTUS appts. and lack of term limits on politicians, there should be some changes.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,881
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Like it or not, politics is a dirty business in the US. To think otherwise is to be naive. Trump made a promise to levy tariffs if our neighboring countries do not allocate more resources to border security. He kept his promise in less than a month. The efficacy remains to been seen and it is likely his executive orders would not withstand judicial scrutiny, but he made a promise and kept it. I cannot say that about many politicians in the US.

    No one manipulates facts like this dude. No one.

    And your comment is Not exactly true when taken in context,  per the AP:


    “Unlike during the 2024 campaign, when Trump billed his economic agenda as guaranteed to reduce the cost of living for Americans, the Republcan president now is acknowledging what many economists have long forecasted: that the levies could yield higher prices and lower supplies across the market.”

    My comments address his actions on tariffs regarding border security, not economic impact of tariffs on US citizens with respect to the importation of tangible goods or the cost of living. It does not take much manipulation of facts to assess the financial impact of fentanyl being imported into our country, whether direct from China or through our North American neighbors. And all politicians manipulate facts to support their agenda.
    Canada is an open border with no fence. Republican supporters are out of their minds if they think Canada is a significant contributor to the immigration problem. 

    So in your republican logic, let’s tank our economy to solve ten percent of the immigration problem, maybe.

    Not immigration. Drug smuggling.
    The drugs crossing the Canada/US border to the US account for like .0002% of all drugs smuggled into the US. Trump is a moron. 

    .2%, of identified fentanyl seizures. That does not account for what was not identified, or other drugs that may contain fentanyl. Do people really think it is a bad thing if Canada and Mexico increased border security with drug smugglers as a specific target?   They have 30 days to put their money where their mouth is. Trump may very well be a moron, and I can see how people think this is bad politics. But if Canada and Mexico do even 20% of what they promised, then fewer drugs may enter our country. I fail to see how that is a bad thing.
    the point is the ends don't, in any way shape or form, justify his idiotic means. 

    What is idiotic about issuing executive orders to try and get traction from our neighbors?
    causing domestic and global chaos is not how one legislates. 

    He has been threatening tariffs from day one. Any chaos is caused by companies and countries that refuse take him seriously, even after his actions during his first term. Our historical way of legislating does not seem to work, at least from Trump's perspective.

    Threatening Canada before Election Day? Please share.


    FWIW the drug issue is a problem, not an emergency. 9/11, Katrina, the LA fires, those are examples of emergencies. 
  • Hawk123Hawk123 Posts: 2,287
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Like it or not, politics is a dirty business in the US. To think otherwise is to be naive. Trump made a promise to levy tariffs if our neighboring countries do not allocate more resources to border security. He kept his promise in less than a month. The efficacy remains to been seen and it is likely his executive orders would not withstand judicial scrutiny, but he made a promise and kept it. I cannot say that about many politicians in the US.

    No one manipulates facts like this dude. No one.

    And your comment is Not exactly true when taken in context,  per the AP:


    “Unlike during the 2024 campaign, when Trump billed his economic agenda as guaranteed to reduce the cost of living for Americans, the Republcan president now is acknowledging what many economists have long forecasted: that the levies could yield higher prices and lower supplies across the market.”

    My comments address his actions on tariffs regarding border security, not economic impact of tariffs on US citizens with respect to the importation of tangible goods or the cost of living. It does not take much manipulation of facts to assess the financial impact of fentanyl being imported into our country, whether direct from China or through our North American neighbors. And all politicians manipulate facts to support their agenda.
    Canada is an open border with no fence. Republican supporters are out of their minds if they think Canada is a significant contributor to the immigration problem. 

    So in your republican logic, let’s tank our economy to solve ten percent of the immigration problem, maybe.

    Not immigration. Drug smuggling.
    The drugs crossing the Canada/US border to the US account for like .0002% of all drugs smuggled into the US. Trump is a moron. 

    .2%, of identified fentanyl seizures. That does not account for what was not identified, or other drugs that may contain fentanyl. Do people really think it is a bad thing if Canada and Mexico increased border security with drug smugglers as a specific target?   They have 30 days to put their money where their mouth is. Trump may very well be a moron, and I can see how people think this is bad politics. But if Canada and Mexico do even 20% of what they promised, then fewer drugs may enter our country. I fail to see how that is a bad thing.
    the point is the ends don't, in any way shape or form, justify his idiotic means. 

    What is idiotic about issuing executive orders to try and get traction from our neighbors?
    I’ll tell you what’s idiotic, announcing the tarrifs on Saturday and when asked what they can do to stop them, he said “nothing can be done”. Causing global chaos in the markets, retaliatory tariffs announced and then hours before going into effect, pausing them because both countries plan to do what was, for the most part, already planned. There are more effective ways than doing the typical Trump bullshit, reality TV, clown show. Maybe get off social media and communicate with your allies directly and respectfully and come to a joint agreement that shows strength and unity to the rest of the world. Be a fucking leader and not a petulant baby. 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,883
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Like it or not, politics is a dirty business in the US. To think otherwise is to be naive. Trump made a promise to levy tariffs if our neighboring countries do not allocate more resources to border security. He kept his promise in less than a month. The efficacy remains to been seen and it is likely his executive orders would not withstand judicial scrutiny, but he made a promise and kept it. I cannot say that about many politicians in the US.

    No one manipulates facts like this dude. No one.

    And your comment is Not exactly true when taken in context,  per the AP:


    “Unlike during the 2024 campaign, when Trump billed his economic agenda as guaranteed to reduce the cost of living for Americans, the Republcan president now is acknowledging what many economists have long forecasted: that the levies could yield higher prices and lower supplies across the market.”

    My comments address his actions on tariffs regarding border security, not economic impact of tariffs on US citizens with respect to the importation of tangible goods or the cost of living. It does not take much manipulation of facts to assess the financial impact of fentanyl being imported into our country, whether direct from China or through our North American neighbors. And all politicians manipulate facts to support their agenda.
    Canada is an open border with no fence. Republican supporters are out of their minds if they think Canada is a significant contributor to the immigration problem. 

    So in your republican logic, let’s tank our economy to solve ten percent of the immigration problem, maybe.

    Not immigration. Drug smuggling.
    The drugs crossing the Canada/US border to the US account for like .0002% of all drugs smuggled into the US. Trump is a moron. 

    .2%, of identified fentanyl seizures. That does not account for what was not identified, or other drugs that may contain fentanyl. Do people really think it is a bad thing if Canada and Mexico increased border security with drug smugglers as a specific target?   They have 30 days to put their money where their mouth is. Trump may very well be a moron, and I can see how people think this is bad politics. But if Canada and Mexico do even 20% of what they promised, then fewer drugs may enter our country. I fail to see how that is a bad thing.
    the point is the ends don't, in any way shape or form, justify his idiotic means. 

    What is idiotic about issuing executive orders to try and get traction from our neighbors?
    causing domestic and global chaos is not how one legislates. 

    He has been threatening tariffs from day one. Any chaos is caused by companies and countries that refuse take him seriously, even after his actions during his first term. Our historical way of legislating does not seem to work, at least from Trump's perspective.
    no, it's caused by an idiot pulling that shit without first speaking to the leaders of the affected nations. all the moron had to do was get them on the phone. 
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  • DE4173DE4173 Posts: 1,125
    Anyone else not getting the Google Maps update?

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    Lock someone up for that. They need to show more loyalty.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,644
    edited February 5
    DE4173 said:
    Anyone else not getting the Google Maps update?

    Mine still shows "Gulf of Mexico.  It's just another one of Trump's games to distract us. 
    But even Trump himself is a distraction.  The real story is Musk and his plan to use AI to control the country.  And that's no conspiracy theory.  It's happening. 

    "Don't give in to the lies.  Don't give in to the fear. Hold on to the truth.  And to hope."
    -Jim Acosta











  • Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Like it or not, politics is a dirty business in the US. To think otherwise is to be naive. Trump made a promise to levy tariffs if our neighboring countries do not allocate more resources to border security. He kept his promise in less than a month. The efficacy remains to been seen and it is likely his executive orders would not withstand judicial scrutiny, but he made a promise and kept it. I cannot say that about many politicians in the US.

    No one manipulates facts like this dude. No one.

    And your comment is Not exactly true when taken in context,  per the AP:


    “Unlike during the 2024 campaign, when Trump billed his economic agenda as guaranteed to reduce the cost of living for Americans, the Republcan president now is acknowledging what many economists have long forecasted: that the levies could yield higher prices and lower supplies across the market.”

    My comments address his actions on tariffs regarding border security, not economic impact of tariffs on US citizens with respect to the importation of tangible goods or the cost of living. It does not take much manipulation of facts to assess the financial impact of fentanyl being imported into our country, whether direct from China or through our North American neighbors. And all politicians manipulate facts to support their agenda.
    Canada is an open border with no fence. Republican supporters are out of their minds if they think Canada is a significant contributor to the immigration problem. 

    So in your republican logic, let’s tank our economy to solve ten percent of the immigration problem, maybe.

    Not immigration. Drug smuggling.
    The drugs crossing the Canada/US border to the US account for like .0002% of all drugs smuggled into the US. Trump is a moron. 

    .2%, of identified fentanyl seizures. That does not account for what was not identified, or other drugs that may contain fentanyl. Do people really think it is a bad thing if Canada and Mexico increased border security with drug smugglers as a specific target?   They have 30 days to put their money where their mouth is. Trump may very well be a moron, and I can see how people think this is bad politics. But if Canada and Mexico do even 20% of what they promised, then fewer drugs may enter our country. I fail to see how that is a bad thing.
    the point is the ends don't, in any way shape or form, justify his idiotic means. 

    What is idiotic about issuing executive orders to try and get traction from our neighbors?
    causing domestic and global chaos is not how one legislates. 
    Name 1 global chaos so far?  (And by the way - legislates is a Congressional thing. Executive Branch doesn't work that way. I know you're Canadian, but learn basic US civics before you enter the fray.  You look as dumb as AOC calling Elon stupid).

    Who the fuck in their right minds is against ANYTHING Trump has done so far?  You're all out of your fucking minds and need to step out of the echo chamber.

    Deport people who came in illegally (I assume you know what that word means)
    Address the overgrown Fentanyl crisis - (I do love the - it's only .2% or whatever stupid ratio - it's all bad. Let's get it all.)
    Audit and purge excessive spending of money we don't have
    Stop wars around the world, including proposing rebuilding Gaza properly so people there can live properly and not subject to Stone Age theories

    1% of spending, 1% of Fentanyl, who gives a shit? Why would anyone in their right mind argue with eliminating the waste and destruction?

    Y'all sucked into a cult and the reason you can't get out of it is you'd have to admit you were wrong all along.

    So, back to my first question - name 1 "global chaos" happening right now?  I mean, I know as racist Schumer said - all beer comes from Mexico and he's worried about losing his slave labor, but besides that.


    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
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  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,482
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Like it or not, politics is a dirty business in the US. To think otherwise is to be naive. Trump made a promise to levy tariffs if our neighboring countries do not allocate more resources to border security. He kept his promise in less than a month. The efficacy remains to been seen and it is likely his executive orders would not withstand judicial scrutiny, but he made a promise and kept it. I cannot say that about many politicians in the US.

    No one manipulates facts like this dude. No one.

    And your comment is Not exactly true when taken in context,  per the AP:


    “Unlike during the 2024 campaign, when Trump billed his economic agenda as guaranteed to reduce the cost of living for Americans, the Republcan president now is acknowledging what many economists have long forecasted: that the levies could yield higher prices and lower supplies across the market.”

    My comments address his actions on tariffs regarding border security, not economic impact of tariffs on US citizens with respect to the importation of tangible goods or the cost of living. It does not take much manipulation of facts to assess the financial impact of fentanyl being imported into our country, whether direct from China or through our North American neighbors. And all politicians manipulate facts to support their agenda.
    Canada is an open border with no fence. Republican supporters are out of their minds if they think Canada is a significant contributor to the immigration problem. 

    So in your republican logic, let’s tank our economy to solve ten percent of the immigration problem, maybe.

    Not immigration. Drug smuggling.
    The drugs crossing the Canada/US border to the US account for like .0002% of all drugs smuggled into the US. Trump is a moron. 

    .2%, of identified fentanyl seizures. That does not account for what was not identified, or other drugs that may contain fentanyl. Do people really think it is a bad thing if Canada and Mexico increased border security with drug smugglers as a specific target?   They have 30 days to put their money where their mouth is. Trump may very well be a moron, and I can see how people think this is bad politics. But if Canada and Mexico do even 20% of what they promised, then fewer drugs may enter our country. I fail to see how that is a bad thing.
    the point is the ends don't, in any way shape or form, justify his idiotic means. 

    What is idiotic about issuing executive orders to try and get traction from our neighbors?
    causing domestic and global chaos is not how one legislates. 

    Stop wars around the world, including proposing rebuilding Gaza properly so people there can live properly and not subject to Stone 


    which people will be living there?

  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,883
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Like it or not, politics is a dirty business in the US. To think otherwise is to be naive. Trump made a promise to levy tariffs if our neighboring countries do not allocate more resources to border security. He kept his promise in less than a month. The efficacy remains to been seen and it is likely his executive orders would not withstand judicial scrutiny, but he made a promise and kept it. I cannot say that about many politicians in the US.

    No one manipulates facts like this dude. No one.

    And your comment is Not exactly true when taken in context,  per the AP:


    “Unlike during the 2024 campaign, when Trump billed his economic agenda as guaranteed to reduce the cost of living for Americans, the Republcan president now is acknowledging what many economists have long forecasted: that the levies could yield higher prices and lower supplies across the market.”

    My comments address his actions on tariffs regarding border security, not economic impact of tariffs on US citizens with respect to the importation of tangible goods or the cost of living. It does not take much manipulation of facts to assess the financial impact of fentanyl being imported into our country, whether direct from China or through our North American neighbors. And all politicians manipulate facts to support their agenda.
    Canada is an open border with no fence. Republican supporters are out of their minds if they think Canada is a significant contributor to the immigration problem. 

    So in your republican logic, let’s tank our economy to solve ten percent of the immigration problem, maybe.

    Not immigration. Drug smuggling.
    The drugs crossing the Canada/US border to the US account for like .0002% of all drugs smuggled into the US. Trump is a moron. 

    .2%, of identified fentanyl seizures. That does not account for what was not identified, or other drugs that may contain fentanyl. Do people really think it is a bad thing if Canada and Mexico increased border security with drug smugglers as a specific target?   They have 30 days to put their money where their mouth is. Trump may very well be a moron, and I can see how people think this is bad politics. But if Canada and Mexico do even 20% of what they promised, then fewer drugs may enter our country. I fail to see how that is a bad thing.
    the point is the ends don't, in any way shape or form, justify his idiotic means. 

    What is idiotic about issuing executive orders to try and get traction from our neighbors?
    causing domestic and global chaos is not how one legislates. 
    Name 1 global chaos so far?  (And by the way - legislates is a Congressional thing. Executive Branch doesn't work that way. I know you're Canadian, but learn basic US civics before you enter the fray.  You look as dumb as AOC calling Elon stupid).

    Who the fuck in their right minds is against ANYTHING Trump has done so far?  You're all out of your fucking minds and need to step out of the echo chamber.

    Deport people who came in illegally (I assume you know what that word means)
    Address the overgrown Fentanyl crisis - (I do love the - it's only .2% or whatever stupid ratio - it's all bad. Let's get it all.)
    Audit and purge excessive spending of money we don't have
    Stop wars around the world, including proposing rebuilding Gaza properly so people there can live properly and not subject to Stone Age theories

    1% of spending, 1% of Fentanyl, who gives a shit? Why would anyone in their right mind argue with eliminating the waste and destruction?

    Y'all sucked into a cult and the reason you can't get out of it is you'd have to admit you were wrong all along.

    So, back to my first question - name 1 "global chaos" happening right now?  I mean, I know as racist Schumer said - all beer comes from Mexico and he's worried about losing his slave labor, but besides that.


    Looks like someone recently got pardoned. 
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,278
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Like it or not, politics is a dirty business in the US. To think otherwise is to be naive. Trump made a promise to levy tariffs if our neighboring countries do not allocate more resources to border security. He kept his promise in less than a month. The efficacy remains to been seen and it is likely his executive orders would not withstand judicial scrutiny, but he made a promise and kept it. I cannot say that about many politicians in the US.

    No one manipulates facts like this dude. No one.

    And your comment is Not exactly true when taken in context,  per the AP:


    “Unlike during the 2024 campaign, when Trump billed his economic agenda as guaranteed to reduce the cost of living for Americans, the Republcan president now is acknowledging what many economists have long forecasted: that the levies could yield higher prices and lower supplies across the market.”

    My comments address his actions on tariffs regarding border security, not economic impact of tariffs on US citizens with respect to the importation of tangible goods or the cost of living. It does not take much manipulation of facts to assess the financial impact of fentanyl being imported into our country, whether direct from China or through our North American neighbors. And all politicians manipulate facts to support their agenda.
    Canada is an open border with no fence. Republican supporters are out of their minds if they think Canada is a significant contributor to the immigration problem. 

    So in your republican logic, let’s tank our economy to solve ten percent of the immigration problem, maybe.

    Not immigration. Drug smuggling.
    The drugs crossing the Canada/US border to the US account for like .0002% of all drugs smuggled into the US. Trump is a moron. 

    .2%, of identified fentanyl seizures. That does not account for what was not identified, or other drugs that may contain fentanyl. Do people really think it is a bad thing if Canada and Mexico increased border security with drug smugglers as a specific target?   They have 30 days to put their money where their mouth is. Trump may very well be a moron, and I can see how people think this is bad politics. But if Canada and Mexico do even 20% of what they promised, then fewer drugs may enter our country. I fail to see how that is a bad thing.
    the point is the ends don't, in any way shape or form, justify his idiotic means. 

    What is idiotic about issuing executive orders to try and get traction from our neighbors?
    causing domestic and global chaos is not how one legislates. 
    Name 1 global chaos so far?  (And by the way - legislates is a Congressional thing. Executive Branch doesn't work that way. I know you're Canadian, but learn basic US civics before you enter the fray.  You look as dumb as AOC calling Elon stupid).

    Who the fuck in their right minds is against ANYTHING Trump has done so far?  You're all out of your fucking minds and need to step out of the echo chamber.

    Deport people who came in illegally (I assume you know what that word means)
    Address the overgrown Fentanyl crisis - (I do love the - it's only .2% or whatever stupid ratio - it's all bad. Let's get it all.)
    Audit and purge excessive spending of money we don't have
    Stop wars around the world, including proposing rebuilding Gaza properly so people there can live properly and not subject to Stone Age theories

    1% of spending, 1% of Fentanyl, who gives a shit? Why would anyone in their right mind argue with eliminating the waste and destruction?

    Y'all sucked into a cult and the reason you can't get out of it is you'd have to admit you were wrong all along.

    So, back to my first question - name 1 "global chaos" happening right now?  I mean, I know as racist Schumer said - all beer comes from Mexico and he's worried about losing his slave labor, but besides that.


    Defending Trump’s recent actions while being condescending about civics sure is interesting. 
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,482
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Like it or not, politics is a dirty business in the US. To think otherwise is to be naive. Trump made a promise to levy tariffs if our neighboring countries do not allocate more resources to border security. He kept his promise in less than a month. The efficacy remains to been seen and it is likely his executive orders would not withstand judicial scrutiny, but he made a promise and kept it. I cannot say that about many politicians in the US.

    No one manipulates facts like this dude. No one.

    And your comment is Not exactly true when taken in context,  per the AP:


    “Unlike during the 2024 campaign, when Trump billed his economic agenda as guaranteed to reduce the cost of living for Americans, the Republcan president now is acknowledging what many economists have long forecasted: that the levies could yield higher prices and lower supplies across the market.”

    My comments address his actions on tariffs regarding border security, not economic impact of tariffs on US citizens with respect to the importation of tangible goods or the cost of living. It does not take much manipulation of facts to assess the financial impact of fentanyl being imported into our country, whether direct from China or through our North American neighbors. And all politicians manipulate facts to support their agenda.
    Canada is an open border with no fence. Republican supporters are out of their minds if they think Canada is a significant contributor to the immigration problem. 

    So in your republican logic, let’s tank our economy to solve ten percent of the immigration problem, maybe.

    Not immigration. Drug smuggling.
    The drugs crossing the Canada/US border to the US account for like .0002% of all drugs smuggled into the US. Trump is a moron. 

    .2%, of identified fentanyl seizures. That does not account for what was not identified, or other drugs that may contain fentanyl. Do people really think it is a bad thing if Canada and Mexico increased border security with drug smugglers as a specific target?   They have 30 days to put their money where their mouth is. Trump may very well be a moron, and I can see how people think this is bad politics. But if Canada and Mexico do even 20% of what they promised, then fewer drugs may enter our country. I fail to see how that is a bad thing.
    the point is the ends don't, in any way shape or form, justify his idiotic means. 

    What is idiotic about issuing executive orders to try and get traction from our neighbors?
    causing domestic and global chaos is not how one legislates. 
    Why would anyone in their right mind argue with eliminating the waste and destruction?


    Because its taking an axe rather than a scalpel. They didn't need to cause immediate pain, confusion and uncertainty. 

    you want to know the global chaos? Its doubt that the US will be a properly functioning global leader. 
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,482
    edited February 5
    No one is arguing about any of those things (well anything that isn't kicking Palestinians out of Gaza), its the heavy handed execution of it that people are taking issue with and based on the first term, there isn't a confidence that it will be well intentioned or even done correctly. So people are off put. 


    Post edited by Tim Simmons on
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,482
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Like it or not, politics is a dirty business in the US. To think otherwise is to be naive. Trump made a promise to levy tariffs if our neighboring countries do not allocate more resources to border security. He kept his promise in less than a month. The efficacy remains to been seen and it is likely his executive orders would not withstand judicial scrutiny, but he made a promise and kept it. I cannot say that about many politicians in the US.

    No one manipulates facts like this dude. No one.

    And your comment is Not exactly true when taken in context,  per the AP:


    “Unlike during the 2024 campaign, when Trump billed his economic agenda as guaranteed to reduce the cost of living for Americans, the Republcan president now is acknowledging what many economists have long forecasted: that the levies could yield higher prices and lower supplies across the market.”

    My comments address his actions on tariffs regarding border security, not economic impact of tariffs on US citizens with respect to the importation of tangible goods or the cost of living. It does not take much manipulation of facts to assess the financial impact of fentanyl being imported into our country, whether direct from China or through our North American neighbors. And all politicians manipulate facts to support their agenda.
    Canada is an open border with no fence. Republican supporters are out of their minds if they think Canada is a significant contributor to the immigration problem. 

    So in your republican logic, let’s tank our economy to solve ten percent of the immigration problem, maybe.

    Not immigration. Drug smuggling.
    The drugs crossing the Canada/US border to the US account for like .0002% of all drugs smuggled into the US. Trump is a moron. 

    .2%, of identified fentanyl seizures. That does not account for what was not identified, or other drugs that may contain fentanyl. Do people really think it is a bad thing if Canada and Mexico increased border security with drug smugglers as a specific target?   They have 30 days to put their money where their mouth is. Trump may very well be a moron, and I can see how people think this is bad politics. But if Canada and Mexico do even 20% of what they promised, then fewer drugs may enter our country. I fail to see how that is a bad thing.
    the point is the ends don't, in any way shape or form, justify his idiotic means. 

    What is idiotic about issuing executive orders to try and get traction from our neighbors?
    causing domestic and global chaos is not how one legislates. 


    Y'all sucked into a cult and the reason you can't get out of it is you'd have to admit you were wrong all along.

    But this accusation is 

  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,884
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Like it or not, politics is a dirty business in the US. To think otherwise is to be naive. Trump made a promise to levy tariffs if our neighboring countries do not allocate more resources to border security. He kept his promise in less than a month. The efficacy remains to been seen and it is likely his executive orders would not withstand judicial scrutiny, but he made a promise and kept it. I cannot say that about many politicians in the US.

    No one manipulates facts like this dude. No one.

    And your comment is Not exactly true when taken in context,  per the AP:


    “Unlike during the 2024 campaign, when Trump billed his economic agenda as guaranteed to reduce the cost of living for Americans, the Republcan president now is acknowledging what many economists have long forecasted: that the levies could yield higher prices and lower supplies across the market.”

    My comments address his actions on tariffs regarding border security, not economic impact of tariffs on US citizens with respect to the importation of tangible goods or the cost of living. It does not take much manipulation of facts to assess the financial impact of fentanyl being imported into our country, whether direct from China or through our North American neighbors. And all politicians manipulate facts to support their agenda.
    Canada is an open border with no fence. Republican supporters are out of their minds if they think Canada is a significant contributor to the immigration problem. 

    So in your republican logic, let’s tank our economy to solve ten percent of the immigration problem, maybe.

    Not immigration. Drug smuggling.
    The drugs crossing the Canada/US border to the US account for like .0002% of all drugs smuggled into the US. Trump is a moron. 

    .2%, of identified fentanyl seizures. That does not account for what was not identified, or other drugs that may contain fentanyl. Do people really think it is a bad thing if Canada and Mexico increased border security with drug smugglers as a specific target?   They have 30 days to put their money where their mouth is. Trump may very well be a moron, and I can see how people think this is bad politics. But if Canada and Mexico do even 20% of what they promised, then fewer drugs may enter our country. I fail to see how that is a bad thing.
    the point is the ends don't, in any way shape or form, justify his idiotic means. 

    What is idiotic about issuing executive orders to try and get traction from our neighbors?
    causing domestic and global chaos is not how one legislates. 


    Y'all sucked into a cult and the reason you can't get out of it is you'd have to admit you were wrong all along.

    But this accusation is 

    In keeping with the MAGA trend of every accusation being projection. 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,883
    Legislation is a term used broadly in most democracies. Whether it be enacted by the judiciary, legislative, or executive branches. 

    I always love when some doosh who knows nothing about anything outside his own borders tries to criticize others. 

    I also use the letter “u” in some words. 

    Reminds when I often see idiot conservatives try to “own the libs” when they use the word “democracy” when referring to the states. “We’re not a democracy, we’re a republic”. So, so intelligent. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,883
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Like it or not, politics is a dirty business in the US. To think otherwise is to be naive. Trump made a promise to levy tariffs if our neighboring countries do not allocate more resources to border security. He kept his promise in less than a month. The efficacy remains to been seen and it is likely his executive orders would not withstand judicial scrutiny, but he made a promise and kept it. I cannot say that about many politicians in the US.

    No one manipulates facts like this dude. No one.

    And your comment is Not exactly true when taken in context,  per the AP:


    “Unlike during the 2024 campaign, when Trump billed his economic agenda as guaranteed to reduce the cost of living for Americans, the Republcan president now is acknowledging what many economists have long forecasted: that the levies could yield higher prices and lower supplies across the market.”

    My comments address his actions on tariffs regarding border security, not economic impact of tariffs on US citizens with respect to the importation of tangible goods or the cost of living. It does not take much manipulation of facts to assess the financial impact of fentanyl being imported into our country, whether direct from China or through our North American neighbors. And all politicians manipulate facts to support their agenda.
    Canada is an open border with no fence. Republican supporters are out of their minds if they think Canada is a significant contributor to the immigration problem. 

    So in your republican logic, let’s tank our economy to solve ten percent of the immigration problem, maybe.

    Not immigration. Drug smuggling.
    The drugs crossing the Canada/US border to the US account for like .0002% of all drugs smuggled into the US. Trump is a moron. 

    .2%, of identified fentanyl seizures. That does not account for what was not identified, or other drugs that may contain fentanyl. Do people really think it is a bad thing if Canada and Mexico increased border security with drug smugglers as a specific target?   They have 30 days to put their money where their mouth is. Trump may very well be a moron, and I can see how people think this is bad politics. But if Canada and Mexico do even 20% of what they promised, then fewer drugs may enter our country. I fail to see how that is a bad thing.
    the point is the ends don't, in any way shape or form, justify his idiotic means. 

    What is idiotic about issuing executive orders to try and get traction from our neighbors?
    causing domestic and global chaos is not how one legislates. 
    Name 1 global chaos so far?  (And by the way - legislates is a Congressional thing. Executive Branch doesn't work that way. I know you're Canadian, but learn basic US civics before you enter the fray.  You look as dumb as AOC calling Elon stupid).

    Who the fuck in their right minds is against ANYTHING Trump has done so far?  You're all out of your fucking minds and need to step out of the echo chamber.

    Deport people who came in illegally (I assume you know what that word means)
    Address the overgrown Fentanyl crisis - (I do love the - it's only .2% or whatever stupid ratio - it's all bad. Let's get it all.)
    Audit and purge excessive spending of money we don't have
    Stop wars around the world, including proposing rebuilding Gaza properly so people there can live properly and not subject to Stone Age theories

    1% of spending, 1% of Fentanyl, who gives a shit? Why would anyone in their right mind argue with eliminating the waste and destruction?

    Y'all sucked into a cult and the reason you can't get out of it is you'd have to admit you were wrong all along.

    So, back to my first question - name 1 "global chaos" happening right now?  I mean, I know as racist Schumer said - all beer comes from Mexico and he's worried about losing his slave labor, but besides that.


    I suppose you pop a zit with a sledgehammer? BRILLIANT
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    edited February 5

    Burning a house down because it's infested w/ ants makes sense if you don't think about it. 
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,168
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Like it or not, politics is a dirty business in the US. To think otherwise is to be naive. Trump made a promise to levy tariffs if our neighboring countries do not allocate more resources to border security. He kept his promise in less than a month. The efficacy remains to been seen and it is likely his executive orders would not withstand judicial scrutiny, but he made a promise and kept it. I cannot say that about many politicians in the US.

    No one manipulates facts like this dude. No one.

    And your comment is Not exactly true when taken in context,  per the AP:


    “Unlike during the 2024 campaign, when Trump billed his economic agenda as guaranteed to reduce the cost of living for Americans, the Republcan president now is acknowledging what many economists have long forecasted: that the levies could yield higher prices and lower supplies across the market.”

    My comments address his actions on tariffs regarding border security, not economic impact of tariffs on US citizens with respect to the importation of tangible goods or the cost of living. It does not take much manipulation of facts to assess the financial impact of fentanyl being imported into our country, whether direct from China or through our North American neighbors. And all politicians manipulate facts to support their agenda.
    Canada is an open border with no fence. Republican supporters are out of their minds if they think Canada is a significant contributor to the immigration problem. 

    So in your republican logic, let’s tank our economy to solve ten percent of the immigration problem, maybe.

    Not immigration. Drug smuggling.
    The drugs crossing the Canada/US border to the US account for like .0002% of all drugs smuggled into the US. Trump is a moron. 

    .2%, of identified fentanyl seizures. That does not account for what was not identified, or other drugs that may contain fentanyl. Do people really think it is a bad thing if Canada and Mexico increased border security with drug smugglers as a specific target?   They have 30 days to put their money where their mouth is. Trump may very well be a moron, and I can see how people think this is bad politics. But if Canada and Mexico do even 20% of what they promised, then fewer drugs may enter our country. I fail to see how that is a bad thing.
    the point is the ends don't, in any way shape or form, justify his idiotic means. 

    What is idiotic about issuing executive orders to try and get traction from our neighbors?
    causing domestic and global chaos is not how one legislates. 


    Y'all sucked into a cult and the reason you can't get out of it is you'd have to admit you were wrong all along.

    But this accusation is 

    One has to take their hat off to the maga logic...
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,536
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Like it or not, politics is a dirty business in the US. To think otherwise is to be naive. Trump made a promise to levy tariffs if our neighboring countries do not allocate more resources to border security. He kept his promise in less than a month. The efficacy remains to been seen and it is likely his executive orders would not withstand judicial scrutiny, but he made a promise and kept it. I cannot say that about many politicians in the US.

    No one manipulates facts like this dude. No one.

    And your comment is Not exactly true when taken in context,  per the AP:


    “Unlike during the 2024 campaign, when Trump billed his economic agenda as guaranteed to reduce the cost of living for Americans, the Republcan president now is acknowledging what many economists have long forecasted: that the levies could yield higher prices and lower supplies across the market.”

    My comments address his actions on tariffs regarding border security, not economic impact of tariffs on US citizens with respect to the importation of tangible goods or the cost of living. It does not take much manipulation of facts to assess the financial impact of fentanyl being imported into our country, whether direct from China or through our North American neighbors. And all politicians manipulate facts to support their agenda.
    Canada is an open border with no fence. Republican supporters are out of their minds if they think Canada is a significant contributor to the immigration problem. 

    So in your republican logic, let’s tank our economy to solve ten percent of the immigration problem, maybe.

    Not immigration. Drug smuggling.
    The drugs crossing the Canada/US border to the US account for like .0002% of all drugs smuggled into the US. Trump is a moron. 

    .2%, of identified fentanyl seizures. That does not account for what was not identified, or other drugs that may contain fentanyl. Do people really think it is a bad thing if Canada and Mexico increased border security with drug smugglers as a specific target?   They have 30 days to put their money where their mouth is. Trump may very well be a moron, and I can see how people think this is bad politics. But if Canada and Mexico do even 20% of what they promised, then fewer drugs may enter our country. I fail to see how that is a bad thing.
    the point is the ends don't, in any way shape or form, justify his idiotic means. 

    What is idiotic about issuing executive orders to try and get traction from our neighbors?
    causing domestic and global chaos is not how one legislates. 
    Why would anyone in their right mind argue with eliminating the waste and destruction?


    Because its taking an axe rather than a scalpel. They didn't need to cause immediate pain, confusion and uncertainty. 

    you want to know the global chaos? Its doubt that the US will be a properly functioning global leader. 
    It's the equivalent of lazy management at a corporation.  If you do business this way you do not have an understanding of your business.
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  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,219

    Burning a house down because it's infested w/ ants makes sense if you don't think about it. 
    And the irony of accompanying this with an entirely new department focused on government efficiency. How much busywork does this cause for both countries? Sheesh.
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