So what has Trump accomplished with this tariff war so far?
- Turned the west against him even more
- unsettled the stock market
- decreased US tourism
- decreased purchasing of US goods in Canada and Mexico and the EU
- increased political solidarity in Canada, Mexico, and the EU
- added 10,000 Mexican troops at the southern border
- forced Canada to overspend on border security for an essentially irrelevant impact (not that i argue against the illegal drug trade or illegal immigration - nobody does, and nobody ever has)
- destroyed America's good relationship with its strongest trading partners
Awesome. Bravo to the GOP.
The 10,000 troops from Mexico was something already established under Biden and Canada basically just reaffirmed what was already announced in December. Trump literally gained nothing, but the right wing media will spin it as a big W and he'll make false claims about it for weeks.
So what has Trump accomplished with this tariff war so far?
- Turned the west against him even more
- unsettled the stock market
- decreased US tourism
- decreased purchasing of US goods in Canada and Mexico and the EU
- increased political solidarity in Canada, Mexico, and the EU
- added 10,000 Mexican troops at the southern border
- forced Canada to overspend on border security for an essentially irrelevant impact (not that i argue against the illegal drug trade or illegal immigration - nobody does, and nobody ever has)
- destroyed America's good relationship with its strongest trading partners
Awesome. Bravo to the GOP.
The 10,000 troops from Mexico was something already established under Biden and Canada basically just reaffirmed what was already announced in December. Trump literally gained nothing, but the right wing media will spin it as a big W and he'll make false claims about it for weeks.
Well there you go, and just like the actions Canada had already taken at their border.
Just such destructive bullshit.
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I think the real issue is that he would be willing to throw the good economy out with the boarder issue bathwater.
Just a tip, man: Spell "border" correctly in your life from this point on. It's been a pet peeve of mine since Trump went nuts about the borders and I've seen too many people spell this simple word incorrectly; you just happened to be the straw that broke the camels back and I'm speaking up and taking a stand dammit lol. It's "border"... not "boarder"... the word "boarder" is about boards... like... what Ed likes to surf on on his days off. He's a boarder. Got it? Good. Next victim please.
I think the real issue is that he would be willing to throw the good economy out with the boarder issue bathwater.
Just a tip, man: Spell "border" correctly in your life from this point on. It's been a pet peeve of mine since Trump went nuts about the borders and I've seen too many people spell this simple word incorrectly; you just happened to be the straw that broke the camels back and I'm speaking up and taking a stand dammit lol. It's "border"... not "boarder"... the word "boarder" is about boards... like... what Ed likes to surf on on his days off. He's a boarder. Got it? Good. Next victim please.
I have to admit that I have no problem with this message. I am a self-admitted "grammar-Nazi", although I try to keep it to myself, since I know how many people don't so much appreciate our well-intended mission, which is, of course, to help people know how to write properly, lol. Also, the reason I just said it was to bring me to my next point: I learned somewhat recently to not say the term "grammar-Nazi" in real life. I accidentally said it in the company of a Jewish colleague. I apologized later, after realizing what I did. She very much appreciated my apology, and pointed out that malicious intent was needed for it to be offensive. Still, I felt bad.
Not as bad as it makes me feel when I see someone mixing up "your" and "you're" though, or not knowing how to use apostophes.
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If you hear about the 50501 protests planned for this Wednesday, 2/5/21, please read this: (quote from Reddit)
"Please know: not a single national group (like MoveOn or Working
Families or Indivisible) or national union (including the AFL-CIO) have
co-signed this event, or are promoting it.
I live in Minnesota. I am political staff for a small education
union. We had stuff like this pop up after the Uprising in 2020 and they
were 100% fake, cooked up by bots and groups trying to co-opt the
genuine movement. Some of these ended up with rally attendees being
taken into the freeways and getting kettled and facing real jail time.
This is a very real risk
If there aren’t any of the big players involved you should be
extremely careful. It doesn’t take any real proof to pull a permit.
Anyone can do it. No big players means there is likely no safety plan,
no police liaison (which are helpful for large actions), and probably no
marshals.
The date and time are also extremely suspicious. A rally designed to
great a large crowd would not be held at noon on a weekday.
The website listed in the Newsweek article does not exist. The Insta
page is new, and there is no list of other supporters. It is absolutely
possible that this is an event created for the very purpose of sharing
disinformation and sowing distrust in the progressive/labor community."
"Don't give in to the lies. Don't give in to the fear. Hold on to the truth. And to hope."
I think the real issue is that he would be willing to throw the good economy out with the boarder issue bathwater.
Just a tip, man: Spell "border" correctly in your life from this point on. It's been a pet peeve of mine since Trump went nuts about the borders and I've seen too many people spell this simple word incorrectly; you just happened to be the straw that broke the camels back and I'm speaking up and taking a stand dammit lol. It's "border"... not "boarder"... the word "boarder" is about boards... like... what Ed likes to surf on on his days off. He's a boarder. Got it? Good. Next victim please.
I have to admit that I have no problem with this message. I am a self-admitted "grammar-Nazi", although I try to keep it to myself, since I know how many people don't so much appreciate our well-intended mission, which is, of course, to help people know how to write properly, lol. Also, the reason I just said it was to bring me to my next point: I learned somewhat recently to not say the term "grammar-Nazi" in real life. I accidentally said it in the company of a Jewish colleague. I apologized later, after realizing what I did. She very much appreciated my apology, and pointed out that malicious intent was needed for it to be offensive. Still, I felt bad.
Not as bad as it makes me feel when I see someone mixing up "your" and "you're" though, or not knowing how to use apostophes.
But its ok for you and your kind to use the word nazi all over the internet? Am I reading this correctly? Just not in real life, as you stated. It gets more hilarious here by the canadian, I mean by the minute.
I think the real issue is that he would be willing to throw the good economy out with the boarder issue bathwater.
Just a tip, man: Spell "border" correctly in your life from this point on. It's been a pet peeve of mine since Trump went nuts about the borders and I've seen too many people spell this simple word incorrectly; you just happened to be the straw that broke the camels back and I'm speaking up and taking a stand dammit lol. It's "border"... not "boarder"... the word "boarder" is about boards... like... what Ed likes to surf on on his days off. He's a boarder. Got it? Good. Next victim please.
I have to admit that I have no problem with this message. I am a self-admitted "grammar-Nazi", although I try to keep it to myself, since I know how many people don't so much appreciate our well-intended mission, which is, of course, to help people know how to write properly, lol. Also, the reason I just said it was to bring me to my next point: I learned somewhat recently to not say the term "grammar-Nazi" in real life. I accidentally said it in the company of a Jewish colleague. I apologized later, after realizing what I did. She very much appreciated my apology, and pointed out that malicious intent was needed for it to be offensive. Still, I felt bad.
Not as bad as it makes me feel when I see someone mixing up "your" and "you're" though, or not knowing how to use apostophes.
But its ok for you and your kind to use the word nazi all over the internet? Am I reading this correctly? Just not in real life, as you stated. It gets more hilarious here by the canadian, I mean by the minute.
What is 'my kind'?
The term is a well-know colloquialism of course, as I know you know. Like I said, not very appropriate. Although using the word Nazi is not a problem. Acting like a Nazi is where the problem comes in. In any case, keep on trolling bud.
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I think the real issue is that he would be willing to throw the good economy out with the boarder issue bathwater.
Just a tip, man: Spell "border" correctly in your life from this point on. It's been a pet peeve of mine since Trump went nuts about the borders and I've seen too many people spell this simple word incorrectly; you just happened to be the straw that broke the camels back and I'm speaking up and taking a stand dammit lol. It's "border"... not "boarder"... the word "boarder" is about boards... like... what Ed likes to surf on on his days off. He's a boarder. Got it? Good. Next victim please.
I have to admit that I have no problem with this message. I am a self-admitted "grammar-Nazi", although I try to keep it to myself, since I know how many people don't so much appreciate our well-intended mission, which is, of course, to help people know how to write properly, lol. Also, the reason I just said it was to bring me to my next point: I learned somewhat recently to not say the term "grammar-Nazi" in real life. I accidentally said it in the company of a Jewish colleague. I apologized later, after realizing what I did. She very much appreciated my apology, and pointed out that malicious intent was needed for it to be offensive. Still, I felt bad.
Not as bad as it makes me feel when I see someone mixing up "your" and "you're" though, or not knowing how to use apostophes.
But its ok for you and your kind to use the word nazi all over the internet? Am I reading this correctly? Just not in real life, as you stated. It gets more hilarious here by the canadian, I mean by the minute.
What is 'my kind'?
The term is a well-know colloquialism of course, as I know you know. Like I said, not very appropriate. Although using the word Nazi is not a problem. Acting like a Nazi is where the problem comes in. In any case, keep on trolling bud.
Oh, so there are stipulations. Thank you for clarifying.
These people actually take themselves seriously.
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Hey, I'm good with the "grammar nazis"! Yes, please, help make America literate again! A little more brain power and education down here might someday help this nation learn how to make better choices!
"Don't give in to the lies. Don't give in to the fear. Hold on to the truth. And to hope."
I think the real issue is that he would be willing to throw the good economy out with the boarder issue bathwater.
Just a tip, man: Spell "border" correctly in your life from this point on. It's been a pet peeve of mine since Trump went nuts about the borders and I've seen too many people spell this simple word incorrectly; you just happened to be the straw that broke the camels back and I'm speaking up and taking a stand dammit lol. It's "border"... not "boarder"... the word "boarder" is about boards... like... what Ed likes to surf on on his days off. He's a boarder. Got it? Good. Next victim please.
I have to admit that I have no problem with this message. I am a self-admitted "grammar-Nazi", although I try to keep it to myself, since I know how many people don't so much appreciate our well-intended mission, which is, of course, to help people know how to write properly, lol. Also, the reason I just said it was to bring me to my next point: I learned somewhat recently to not say the term "grammar-Nazi" in real life. I accidentally said it in the company of a Jewish colleague. I apologized later, after realizing what I did. She very much appreciated my apology, and pointed out that malicious intent was needed for it to be offensive. Still, I felt bad.
Not as bad as it makes me feel when I see someone mixing up "your" and "you're" though, or not knowing how to use apostophes.
But its ok for you and your kind to use the word nazi all over the internet? Am I reading this correctly? Just not in real life, as you stated. It gets more hilarious here by the canadian, I mean by the minute.
What is 'my kind'?
The term is a well-know colloquialism of course, as I know you know. Like I said, not very appropriate. Although using the word Nazi is not a problem. Acting like a Nazi is where the problem comes in. In any case, keep on trolling bud.
Oh, so there are stipulations. Thank you for clarifying.
These people actually take themselves seriously.
Okey doke. Time to finally put this nonsense on ignore. Such a waste of time reading your posts.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I think the real issue is that he would be willing to throw the good economy out with the boarder issue bathwater.
Just a tip, man: Spell "border" correctly in your life from this point on. It's been a pet peeve of mine since Trump went nuts about the borders and I've seen too many people spell this simple word incorrectly; you just happened to be the straw that broke the camels back and I'm speaking up and taking a stand dammit lol. It's "border"... not "boarder"... the word "boarder" is about boards... like... what Ed likes to surf on on his days off. He's a boarder. Got it? Good. Next victim please.
I have to admit that I have no problem with this message. I am a self-admitted "grammar-Nazi", although I try to keep it to myself, since I know how many people don't so much appreciate our well-intended mission, which is, of course, to help people know how to write properly, lol. Also, the reason I just said it was to bring me to my next point: I learned somewhat recently to not say the term "grammar-Nazi" in real life. I accidentally said it in the company of a Jewish colleague. I apologized later, after realizing what I did. She very much appreciated my apology, and pointed out that malicious intent was needed for it to be offensive. Still, I felt bad.
Not as bad as it makes me feel when I see someone mixing up "your" and "you're" though, or not knowing how to use apostophes.
But its ok for you and your kind to use the word nazi all over the internet? Am I reading this correctly? Just not in real life, as you stated. It gets more hilarious here by the canadian, I mean by the minute.
What is 'my kind'?
The term is a well-know colloquialism of course, as I know you know. Like I said, not very appropriate. Although using the word Nazi is not a problem. Acting like a Nazi is where the problem comes in. In any case, keep on trolling bud.
Oh, so there are stipulations. Thank you for clarifying.
These people actually take themselves seriously.
Okey doke. Time to finally put this nonsense on ignore. Such a waste of time reading your posts.
Like it or not, politics is a dirty business in the US. To think otherwise is to be naive. Trump made a promise to levy tariffs if our neighboring countries do not allocate more resources to border security. He kept his promise in less than a month. The efficacy remains to been seen and it is likely his executive orders would not withstand judicial scrutiny, but he made a promise and kept it. I cannot say that about many politicians in the US.
No one manipulates facts like this dude. No one.
And your comment is Not exactly true when taken in context, per the AP:
“Unlike during the 2024 campaign, when Trump billed his economic agenda as guaranteed to reduce the cost of living for Americans, the Republcan president now is acknowledging what many economists have long forecasted: that the levies could yield higher prices and lower supplies across the market.”
My comments address his actions on tariffs regarding border security, not economic impact of tariffs on US citizens with respect to the importation of tangible goods or the cost of living. It does not take much manipulation of facts to assess the financial impact of fentanyl being imported into our country, whether direct from China or through our North American neighbors. And all politicians manipulate facts to support their agenda.
Canada is an open border with no fence. Republican supporters are out of their minds if they think Canada is a significant contributor to the immigration problem.
So in your republican logic, let’s tank our economy to solve ten percent of the immigration problem, maybe.
Not immigration. Drug smuggling.
The drugs crossing the Canada/US border to the US account for like .0002% of all drugs smuggled into the US. Trump is a moron.
.2%, of identified fentanyl seizures. That does not account for what was not identified, or other drugs that may contain fentanyl. Do people really think it is a bad thing if Canada and Mexico increased border security with drug smugglers as a specific target? They have 30 days to put their money where their mouth is. Trump may very well be a moron, and I can see how people think this is bad politics. But if Canada and Mexico do even 20% of what they promised, then fewer drugs may enter our country. I fail to see how that is a bad thing.
So what has Trump accomplished with this tariff war so far?
- Turned the west against him even more
- unsettled the stock market
- decreased US tourism
- decreased purchasing of US goods in Canada and Mexico and the EU
- increased political solidarity in Canada, Mexico, and the EU
- added 10,000 Mexican troops at the southern border
- forced Canada to overspend on border security for an essentially irrelevant impact (not that i argue against the illegal drug trade or illegal immigration - nobody does, and nobody ever has)
- destroyed America's good relationship with its strongest trading partners
Awesome. Bravo to the GOP.
I think he also showed himself as a pretty weak negotiator, who threatens with bully tactics but might be too chicken-shit to actually do these things in the first place.
I think Trump was probably well advised that invoking the Emergency Powers Act to impose tariffs may not survive judicial scrutiny, but was also advised that there was nothing to lose. His position is that Canada and Mexico are not doing enough and was looking for potential solutions that could be swiftly implemented without seeking Congressional approval. He was not chicken shit in 2018 when it came to China and those actions have survived judicial scrutiny.
Like it or not, politics is a dirty business in the US. To think otherwise is to be naive. Trump made a promise to levy tariffs if our neighboring countries do not allocate more resources to border security. He kept his promise in less than a month. The efficacy remains to been seen and it is likely his executive orders would not withstand judicial scrutiny, but he made a promise and kept it. I cannot say that about many politicians in the US.
No one manipulates facts like this dude. No one.
And your comment is Not exactly true when taken in context, per the AP:
“Unlike during the 2024 campaign, when Trump billed his economic agenda as guaranteed to reduce the cost of living for Americans, the Republcan president now is acknowledging what many economists have long forecasted: that the levies could yield higher prices and lower supplies across the market.”
My comments address his actions on tariffs regarding border security, not economic impact of tariffs on US citizens with respect to the importation of tangible goods or the cost of living. It does not take much manipulation of facts to assess the financial impact of fentanyl being imported into our country, whether direct from China or through our North American neighbors. And all politicians manipulate facts to support their agenda.
Canada is an open border with no fence. Republican supporters are out of their minds if they think Canada is a significant contributor to the immigration problem.
So in your republican logic, let’s tank our economy to solve ten percent of the immigration problem, maybe.
Not immigration. Drug smuggling.
The drugs crossing the Canada/US border to the US account for like .0002% of all drugs smuggled into the US. Trump is a moron.
.2%, of identified fentanyl seizures. That does not account for what was not identified, or other drugs that may contain fentanyl. Do people really think it is a bad thing if Canada and Mexico increased border security with drug smugglers as a specific target? They have 30 days to put their money where their mouth is. Trump may very well be a moron, and I can see how people think this is bad politics. But if Canada and Mexico do even 20% of what they promised, then fewer drugs may enter our country. I fail to see how that is a bad thing.
the announced money was already publically pledged in Dec....
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Like it or not, politics is a dirty business in the US. To think otherwise is to be naive. Trump made a promise to levy tariffs if our neighboring countries do not allocate more resources to border security. He kept his promise in less than a month. The efficacy remains to been seen and it is likely his executive orders would not withstand judicial scrutiny, but he made a promise and kept it. I cannot say that about many politicians in the US.
No one manipulates facts like this dude. No one.
And your comment is Not exactly true when taken in context, per the AP:
“Unlike during the 2024 campaign, when Trump billed his economic agenda as guaranteed to reduce the cost of living for Americans, the Republcan president now is acknowledging what many economists have long forecasted: that the levies could yield higher prices and lower supplies across the market.”
My comments address his actions on tariffs regarding border security, not economic impact of tariffs on US citizens with respect to the importation of tangible goods or the cost of living. It does not take much manipulation of facts to assess the financial impact of fentanyl being imported into our country, whether direct from China or through our North American neighbors. And all politicians manipulate facts to support their agenda.
Canada is an open border with no fence. Republican supporters are out of their minds if they think Canada is a significant contributor to the immigration problem.
So in your republican logic, let’s tank our economy to solve ten percent of the immigration problem, maybe.
Not immigration. Drug smuggling.
The drugs crossing the Canada/US border to the US account for like .0002% of all drugs smuggled into the US. Trump is a moron.
.2%, of identified fentanyl seizures. That does not account for what was not identified, or other drugs that may contain fentanyl. Do people really think it is a bad thing if Canada and Mexico increased border security with drug smugglers as a specific target? They have 30 days to put their money where their mouth is. Trump may very well be a moron, and I can see how people think this is bad politics. But if Canada and Mexico do even 20% of what they promised, then fewer drugs may enter our country. I fail to see how that is a bad thing.
not really a bad thing just a stupid way to act like he strong armed them
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So what has Trump accomplished with this tariff war so far?
- Turned the west against him even more
- unsettled the stock market
- decreased US tourism
- decreased purchasing of US goods in Canada and Mexico and the EU
- increased political solidarity in Canada, Mexico, and the EU
- added 10,000 Mexican troops at the southern border
- forced Canada to overspend on border security for an essentially irrelevant impact (not that i argue against the illegal drug trade or illegal immigration - nobody does, and nobody ever has)
- destroyed America's good relationship with its strongest trading partners
Awesome. Bravo to the GOP.
I think he also showed himself as a pretty weak negotiator, who threatens with bully tactics but might be too chicken-shit to actually do these things in the first place.
I think Trump was probably well advised that invoking the Emergency Powers Act to impose tariffs may not survive judicial scrutiny, but was also advised that there was nothing to lose. His position is that Canada and Mexico are not doing enough and was looking for potential solutions that could be swiftly implemented without seeking Congressional approval. He was not chicken shit in 2018 when it came to China and those actions have survived judicial scrutiny.
Strange that you don't think credibility in negotiations is something important for a president to possess. People talk about political capital all the time - well, how about trust capital with respect to foreign relations? Trump has none. This kind of strong-arm tactic won't work time and time again.
Also, the nonchalance with which Trump spoke of the pain which his own citizens would endure 'temporarily' would give pause to anyone with their brain still activated on the day-to-day.
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So what has Trump accomplished with this tariff war so far?
- Turned the west against him even more
- unsettled the stock market
- decreased US tourism
- decreased purchasing of US goods in Canada and Mexico and the EU
- increased political solidarity in Canada, Mexico, and the EU
- added 10,000 Mexican troops at the southern border
- forced Canada to overspend on border security for an essentially irrelevant impact (not that i argue against the illegal drug trade or illegal immigration - nobody does, and nobody ever has)
- destroyed America's good relationship with its strongest trading partners
Awesome. Bravo to the GOP.
I think he also showed himself as a pretty weak negotiator, who threatens with bully tactics but might be too chicken-shit to actually do these things in the first place.
I think Trump was probably well advised that invoking the Emergency Powers Act to impose tariffs may not survive judicial scrutiny, but was also advised that there was nothing to lose. His position is that Canada and Mexico are not doing enough and was looking for potential solutions that could be swiftly implemented without seeking Congressional approval. He was not chicken shit in 2018 when it came to China and those actions have survived judicial scrutiny.
Strange that you don't think credibility in negotiations is something important for a president to possess. People talk about political capital all the time - well, how about trust capital with respect to foreign relations? Trump has none. This kind of strong-arm tactic won't work time and time again.
Also, the nonchalance with which Trump spoke of the pain which his own citizens would endure 'temporarily' would give pause to anyone with their brain still activated on the day-to-day.
I think it is important to show strength, even if it is smoke and mirrors. I think the nonchalance speaks to the fact that the US economy survived his tariff actions in 2018. It hurt at first, but most businesses survived. The GOP is not exactly known for its concern with the individual.
I am more worried about this sovereign wealth fund than I am the tariff strategy. It reeks of self dealing. If he puts Musk in charge of the fund then I would be deeply concerned.
So what has Trump accomplished with this tariff war so far?
- Turned the west against him even more
- unsettled the stock market
- decreased US tourism
- decreased purchasing of US goods in Canada and Mexico and the EU
- increased political solidarity in Canada, Mexico, and the EU
- added 10,000 Mexican troops at the southern border
- forced Canada to overspend on border security for an essentially irrelevant impact (not that i argue against the illegal drug trade or illegal immigration - nobody does, and nobody ever has)
- destroyed America's good relationship with its strongest trading partners
Awesome. Bravo to the GOP.
I think he also showed himself as a pretty weak negotiator, who threatens with bully tactics but might be too chicken-shit to actually do these things in the first place.
I think Trump was probably well advised that invoking the Emergency Powers Act to impose tariffs may not survive judicial scrutiny, but was also advised that there was nothing to lose. His position is that Canada and Mexico are not doing enough and was looking for potential solutions that could be swiftly implemented without seeking Congressional approval. He was not chicken shit in 2018 when it came to China and those actions have survived judicial scrutiny.
Strange that you don't think credibility in negotiations is something important for a president to possess. People talk about political capital all the time - well, how about trust capital with respect to foreign relations? Trump has none. This kind of strong-arm tactic won't work time and time again.
Also, the nonchalance with which Trump spoke of the pain which his own citizens would endure 'temporarily' would give pause to anyone with their brain still activated on the day-to-day.
I think it is important to show strength, even if it is smoke and mirrors. I think the nonchalance speaks to the fact that the US economy survived his tariff actions in 2018. It hurt at first, but most businesses survived. The GOP is not exactly known for its concern with the individual.
The dude is an attention whore. That’s why he announced this on a Friday afternoon, when everyone is getting ready for the weekend and not wanting to think about this crap. The last thing it does is show strength. It shows that people are willing to vote for a completely incompetent president with severe challenges recognizing any fact.
He made the NA trade deal and a real man honors his agreements without crying about it like a two year old. The right gets off on making libs angry and now that extends to making our closest ally angry. Only an idiot turns on our closest ally.
honestly it’s disgusting to turn on our friends, it unsettles the financial markets and the economy, just because he didn’t get any hugs from his mommy when he was a kid.
So what has Trump accomplished with this tariff war so far?
- Turned the west against him even more
- unsettled the stock market
- decreased US tourism
- decreased purchasing of US goods in Canada and Mexico and the EU
- increased political solidarity in Canada, Mexico, and the EU
- added 10,000 Mexican troops at the southern border
- forced Canada to overspend on border security for an essentially irrelevant impact (not that i argue against the illegal drug trade or illegal immigration - nobody does, and nobody ever has)
- destroyed America's good relationship with its strongest trading partners
Awesome. Bravo to the GOP.
I think he also showed himself as a pretty weak negotiator, who threatens with bully tactics but might be too chicken-shit to actually do these things in the first place.
I think Trump was probably well advised that invoking the Emergency Powers Act to impose tariffs may not survive judicial scrutiny, but was also advised that there was nothing to lose. His position is that Canada and Mexico are not doing enough and was looking for potential solutions that could be swiftly implemented without seeking Congressional approval. He was not chicken shit in 2018 when it came to China and those actions have survived judicial scrutiny.
Strange that you don't think credibility in negotiations is something important for a president to possess. People talk about political capital all the time - well, how about trust capital with respect to foreign relations? Trump has none. This kind of strong-arm tactic won't work time and time again.
Also, the nonchalance with which Trump spoke of the pain which his own citizens would endure 'temporarily' would give pause to anyone with their brain still activated on the day-to-day.
I think it is important to show strength, even if it is smoke and mirrors. I think the nonchalance speaks to the fact that the US economy survived his tariff actions in 2018. It hurt at first, but most businesses survived. The GOP is not exactly known for its concern with the individual.
And who votes the GOP into office again?
As for strength - you’ve got the president who cried wolf, and now the world knows it. Let’s see if the world wants to get into a boxing match when they realize he’s a wrestler and it’s all a show. Someone’s going to say, game on.
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Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
So what has Trump accomplished with this tariff war so far?
- Turned the west against him even more
- unsettled the stock market
- decreased US tourism
- decreased purchasing of US goods in Canada and Mexico and the EU
- increased political solidarity in Canada, Mexico, and the EU
- added 10,000 Mexican troops at the southern border
- forced Canada to overspend on border security for an essentially irrelevant impact (not that i argue against the illegal drug trade or illegal immigration - nobody does, and nobody ever has)
- destroyed America's good relationship with its strongest trading partners
Awesome. Bravo to the GOP.
I think he also showed himself as a pretty weak negotiator, who threatens with bully tactics but might be too chicken-shit to actually do these things in the first place.
I think Trump was probably well advised that invoking the Emergency Powers Act to impose tariffs may not survive judicial scrutiny, but was also advised that there was nothing to lose. His position is that Canada and Mexico are not doing enough and was looking for potential solutions that could be swiftly implemented without seeking Congressional approval. He was not chicken shit in 2018 when it came to China and those actions have survived judicial scrutiny.
Strange that you don't think credibility in negotiations is something important for a president to possess. People talk about political capital all the time - well, how about trust capital with respect to foreign relations? Trump has none. This kind of strong-arm tactic won't work time and time again.
Also, the nonchalance with which Trump spoke of the pain which his own citizens would endure 'temporarily' would give pause to anyone with their brain still activated on the day-to-day.
I think it is important to show strength, even if it is smoke and mirrors. I think the nonchalance speaks to the fact that the US economy survived his tariff actions in 2018. It hurt at first, but most businesses survived. The GOP is not exactly known for its concern with the individual.
And who votes the GOP into office again?
As for strength - you’ve got the president who cried wolf, and now the world knows it. Let’s see if the world wants to get into a boxing match when they realize he’s a wrestler and it’s all a show. Someone’s going to say, game on.
For better or worse, the people have spoken. He has not cried wolf, he granted a reprise. There is really only one country we need to fear, China.
Like it or not, politics is a dirty business in the US. To think otherwise is to be naive. Trump made a promise to levy tariffs if our neighboring countries do not allocate more resources to border security. He kept his promise in less than a month. The efficacy remains to been seen and it is likely his executive orders would not withstand judicial scrutiny, but he made a promise and kept it. I cannot say that about many politicians in the US.
No one manipulates facts like this dude. No one.
And your comment is Not exactly true when taken in context, per the AP:
“Unlike during the 2024 campaign, when Trump billed his economic agenda as guaranteed to reduce the cost of living for Americans, the Republcan president now is acknowledging what many economists have long forecasted: that the levies could yield higher prices and lower supplies across the market.”
My comments address his actions on tariffs regarding border security, not economic impact of tariffs on US citizens with respect to the importation of tangible goods or the cost of living. It does not take much manipulation of facts to assess the financial impact of fentanyl being imported into our country, whether direct from China or through our North American neighbors. And all politicians manipulate facts to support their agenda.
Canada is an open border with no fence. Republican supporters are out of their minds if they think Canada is a significant contributor to the immigration problem.
So in your republican logic, let’s tank our economy to solve ten percent of the immigration problem, maybe.
Not immigration. Drug smuggling.
The drugs crossing the Canada/US border to the US account for like .0002% of all drugs smuggled into the US. Trump is a moron.
.2%, of identified fentanyl seizures. That does not account for what was not identified, or other drugs that may contain fentanyl. Do people really think it is a bad thing if Canada and Mexico increased border security with drug smugglers as a specific target? They have 30 days to put their money where their mouth is. Trump may very well be a moron, and I can see how people think this is bad politics. But if Canada and Mexico do even 20% of what they promised, then fewer drugs may enter our country. I fail to see how that is a bad thing.
the point is the ends don't, in any way shape or form, justify his idiotic means.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
I think the real issue is that he would be willing to throw the good economy out with the boarder issue bathwater.
Just a tip, man: Spell "border" correctly in your life from this point on. It's been a pet peeve of mine since Trump went nuts about the borders and I've seen too many people spell this simple word incorrectly; you just happened to be the straw that broke the camels back and I'm speaking up and taking a stand dammit lol. It's "border"... not "boarder"... the word "boarder" is about boards... like... what Ed likes to surf on on his days off. He's a boarder. Got it? Good. Next victim please.
I have to admit that I have no problem with this message. I am a self-admitted "grammar-Nazi", although I try to keep it to myself, since I know how many people don't so much appreciate our well-intended mission, which is, of course, to help people know how to write properly, lol. Also, the reason I just said it was to bring me to my next point: I learned somewhat recently to not say the term "grammar-Nazi" in real life. I accidentally said it in the company of a Jewish colleague. I apologized later, after realizing what I did. She very much appreciated my apology, and pointed out that malicious intent was needed for it to be offensive. Still, I felt bad.
Not as bad as it makes me feel when I see someone mixing up "your" and "you're" though, or not knowing how to use apostophes.
I decided a few months ago that, if I ever start another band, I'm going to trigger all of my fellow grammar nazis and name us The Apostrophe's.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
So what has Trump accomplished with this tariff war so far?
- Turned the west against him even more
- unsettled the stock market
- decreased US tourism
- decreased purchasing of US goods in Canada and Mexico and the EU
- increased political solidarity in Canada, Mexico, and the EU
- added 10,000 Mexican troops at the southern border
- forced Canada to overspend on border security for an essentially irrelevant impact (not that i argue against the illegal drug trade or illegal immigration - nobody does, and nobody ever has)
- destroyed America's good relationship with its strongest trading partners
Awesome. Bravo to the GOP.
I think he also showed himself as a pretty weak negotiator, who threatens with bully tactics but might be too chicken-shit to actually do these things in the first place.
I think Trump was probably well advised that invoking the Emergency Powers Act to impose tariffs may not survive judicial scrutiny, but was also advised that there was nothing to lose. His position is that Canada and Mexico are not doing enough and was looking for potential solutions that could be swiftly implemented without seeking Congressional approval. He was not chicken shit in 2018 when it came to China and those actions have survived judicial scrutiny.
Strange that you don't think credibility in negotiations is something important for a president to possess. People talk about political capital all the time - well, how about trust capital with respect to foreign relations? Trump has none. This kind of strong-arm tactic won't work time and time again.
Also, the nonchalance with which Trump spoke of the pain which his own citizens would endure 'temporarily' would give pause to anyone with their brain still activated on the day-to-day.
I think it is important to show strength, even if it is smoke and mirrors. I think the nonchalance speaks to the fact that the US economy survived his tariff actions in 2018. It hurt at first, but most businesses survived. The GOP is not exactly known for its concern with the individual.
And who votes the GOP into office again?
As for strength - you’ve got the president who cried wolf, and now the world knows it. Let’s see if the world wants to get into a boxing match when they realize he’s a wrestler and it’s all a show. Someone’s going to say, game on.
For better or worse, the people have spoken. He has not cried wolf, he granted a reprise. There is really only one country we need to fear, China.
less than 50% vote total spoke for hom. 77,3xx,xxx miilion out of some 240 million eligible to vote spoke. fun fact. 77,9xx,xxx voted for somebody else.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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So what has Trump accomplished with this tariff war so far?
- Turned the west against him even more
- unsettled the stock market
- decreased US tourism
- decreased purchasing of US goods in Canada and Mexico and the EU
- increased political solidarity in Canada, Mexico, and the EU
- added 10,000 Mexican troops at the southern border
- forced Canada to overspend on border security for an essentially irrelevant impact (not that i argue against the illegal drug trade or illegal immigration - nobody does, and nobody ever has)
- destroyed America's good relationship with its strongest trading partners
Awesome. Bravo to the GOP.
I think he also showed himself as a pretty weak negotiator, who threatens with bully tactics but might be too chicken-shit to actually do these things in the first place.
I think Trump was probably well advised that invoking the Emergency Powers Act to impose tariffs may not survive judicial scrutiny, but was also advised that there was nothing to lose. His position is that Canada and Mexico are not doing enough and was looking for potential solutions that could be swiftly implemented without seeking Congressional approval. He was not chicken shit in 2018 when it came to China and those actions have survived judicial scrutiny.
Strange that you don't think credibility in negotiations is something important for a president to possess. People talk about political capital all the time - well, how about trust capital with respect to foreign relations? Trump has none. This kind of strong-arm tactic won't work time and time again.
Also, the nonchalance with which Trump spoke of the pain which his own citizens would endure 'temporarily' would give pause to anyone with their brain still activated on the day-to-day.
I think it is important to show strength, even if it is smoke and mirrors. I think the nonchalance speaks to the fact that the US economy survived his tariff actions in 2018. It hurt at first, but most businesses survived. The GOP is not exactly known for its concern with the individual.
And who votes the GOP into office again?
As for strength - you’ve got the president who cried wolf, and now the world knows it. Let’s see if the world wants to get into a boxing match when they realize he’s a wrestler and it’s all a show. Someone’s going to say, game on.
For better or worse, the people have spoken. He has not cried wolf, he granted a reprise. There is really only one country we need to fear, China.
less than 50% vote total spoke for hom. 77,3xx,xxx miilion out of some 240 million eligible to vote spoke. fun fact. 77,9xx,xxx voted for somebody else.
Thank you for pointing out what gets overlooked too often. The people have not spoken.
"Don't give in to the lies. Don't give in to the fear. Hold on to the truth. And to hope."
So what has Trump accomplished with this tariff war so far?
- Turned the west against him even more
- unsettled the stock market
- decreased US tourism
- decreased purchasing of US goods in Canada and Mexico and the EU
- increased political solidarity in Canada, Mexico, and the EU
- added 10,000 Mexican troops at the southern border
- forced Canada to overspend on border security for an essentially irrelevant impact (not that i argue against the illegal drug trade or illegal immigration - nobody does, and nobody ever has)
- destroyed America's good relationship with its strongest trading partners
Awesome. Bravo to the GOP.
The 10,000 troops from Mexico was something already established under Biden and Canada basically just reaffirmed what was already announced in December. Trump literally gained nothing, but the right wing media will spin it as a big W and he'll make false claims about it for weeks.
So what has Trump accomplished with this tariff war so far?
- Turned the west against him even more
- unsettled the stock market
- decreased US tourism
- decreased purchasing of US goods in Canada and Mexico and the EU
- increased political solidarity in Canada, Mexico, and the EU
- added 10,000 Mexican troops at the southern border
- forced Canada to overspend on border security for an essentially irrelevant impact (not that i argue against the illegal drug trade or illegal immigration - nobody does, and nobody ever has)
- destroyed America's good relationship with its strongest trading partners
Awesome. Bravo to the GOP.
I think he also showed himself as a pretty weak negotiator, who threatens with bully tactics but might be too chicken-shit to actually do these things in the first place.
I think Trump was probably well advised that invoking the Emergency Powers Act to impose tariffs may not survive judicial scrutiny, but was also advised that there was nothing to lose. His position is that Canada and Mexico are not doing enough and was looking for potential solutions that could be swiftly implemented without seeking Congressional approval. He was not chicken shit in 2018 when it came to China and those actions have survived judicial scrutiny.
Strange that you don't think credibility in negotiations is something important for a president to possess. People talk about political capital all the time - well, how about trust capital with respect to foreign relations? Trump has none. This kind of strong-arm tactic won't work time and time again.
Also, the nonchalance with which Trump spoke of the pain which his own citizens would endure 'temporarily' would give pause to anyone with their brain still activated on the day-to-day.
I think it is important to show strength, even if it is smoke and mirrors. I think the nonchalance speaks to the fact that the US economy survived his tariff actions in 2018. It hurt at first, but most businesses survived. The GOP is not exactly known for its concern with the individual.
And who votes the GOP into office again?
As for strength - you’ve got the president who cried wolf, and now the world knows it. Let’s see if the world wants to get into a boxing match when they realize he’s a wrestler and it’s all a show. Someone’s going to say, game on.
For better or worse, the people have spoken. He has not cried wolf, he granted a reprise. There is really only one country we need to fear, China.
less than 50% vote total spoke for hom. 77,3xx,xxx miilion out of some 240 million eligible to vote spoke. fun fact. 77,9xx,xxx voted for somebody else.
Thank you for pointing out what gets overlooked too often. The people have not spoken.
Disagree....he won both the popular and electoral votes. And the GOP controls the House and Senate.
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018) The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
So what has Trump accomplished with this tariff war so far?
- Turned the west against him even more
- unsettled the stock market
- decreased US tourism
- decreased purchasing of US goods in Canada and Mexico and the EU
- increased political solidarity in Canada, Mexico, and the EU
- added 10,000 Mexican troops at the southern border
- forced Canada to overspend on border security for an essentially irrelevant impact (not that i argue against the illegal drug trade or illegal immigration - nobody does, and nobody ever has)
- destroyed America's good relationship with its strongest trading partners
Awesome. Bravo to the GOP.
I think he also showed himself as a pretty weak negotiator, who threatens with bully tactics but might be too chicken-shit to actually do these things in the first place.
I think Trump was probably well advised that invoking the Emergency Powers Act to impose tariffs may not survive judicial scrutiny, but was also advised that there was nothing to lose. His position is that Canada and Mexico are not doing enough and was looking for potential solutions that could be swiftly implemented without seeking Congressional approval. He was not chicken shit in 2018 when it came to China and those actions have survived judicial scrutiny.
Strange that you don't think credibility in negotiations is something important for a president to possess. People talk about political capital all the time - well, how about trust capital with respect to foreign relations? Trump has none. This kind of strong-arm tactic won't work time and time again.
Also, the nonchalance with which Trump spoke of the pain which his own citizens would endure 'temporarily' would give pause to anyone with their brain still activated on the day-to-day.
I think it is important to show strength, even if it is smoke and mirrors. I think the nonchalance speaks to the fact that the US economy survived his tariff actions in 2018. It hurt at first, but most businesses survived. The GOP is not exactly known for its concern with the individual.
And who votes the GOP into office again?
As for strength - you’ve got the president who cried wolf, and now the world knows it. Let’s see if the world wants to get into a boxing match when they realize he’s a wrestler and it’s all a show. Someone’s going to say, game on.
For better or worse, the people have spoken. He has not cried wolf, he granted a reprise. There is really only one country we need to fear, China.
less than 50% vote total spoke for hom. 77,3xx,xxx miilion out of some 240 million eligible to vote spoke. fun fact. 77,9xx,xxx voted for somebody else.
I agree that the system of the electoral college is broken.
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I live in Minnesota. I am political staff for a small education union. We had stuff like this pop up after the Uprising in 2020 and they were 100% fake, cooked up by bots and groups trying to co-opt the genuine movement. Some of these ended up with rally attendees being taken into the freeways and getting kettled and facing real jail time. This is a very real risk
If there aren’t any of the big players involved you should be extremely careful. It doesn’t take any real proof to pull a permit. Anyone can do it. No big players means there is likely no safety plan, no police liaison (which are helpful for large actions), and probably no marshals.
The date and time are also extremely suspicious. A rally designed to great a large crowd would not be held at noon on a weekday.
The website listed in the Newsweek article does not exist. The Insta page is new, and there is no list of other supporters. It is absolutely possible that this is an event created for the very purpose of sharing disinformation and sowing distrust in the progressive/labor community."
.2%, of identified fentanyl seizures. That does not account for what was not identified, or other drugs that may contain fentanyl. Do people really think it is a bad thing if Canada and Mexico increased border security with drug smugglers as a specific target? They have 30 days to put their money where their mouth is. Trump may very well be a moron, and I can see how people think this is bad politics. But if Canada and Mexico do even 20% of what they promised, then fewer drugs may enter our country. I fail to see how that is a bad thing.
I think Trump was probably well advised that invoking the Emergency Powers Act to impose tariffs may not survive judicial scrutiny, but was also advised that there was nothing to lose. His position is that Canada and Mexico are not doing enough and was looking for potential solutions that could be swiftly implemented without seeking Congressional approval. He was not chicken shit in 2018 when it came to China and those actions have survived judicial scrutiny.
the announced money was already publically pledged in Dec....
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
Also, the nonchalance with which Trump spoke of the pain which his own citizens would endure 'temporarily' would give pause to anyone with their brain still activated on the day-to-day.
EV
Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
I think it is important to show strength, even if it is smoke and mirrors. I think the nonchalance speaks to the fact that the US economy survived his tariff actions in 2018. It hurt at first, but most businesses survived. The GOP is not exactly known for its concern with the individual.
He made the NA trade deal and a real man honors his agreements without crying about it like a two year old. The right gets off on making libs angry and now that extends to making our closest ally angry. Only an idiot turns on our closest ally.
honestly it’s disgusting to turn on our friends, it unsettles the financial markets and the economy, just because he didn’t get any hugs from his mommy when he was a kid.
As for strength - you’ve got the president who cried wolf, and now the world knows it. Let’s see if the world wants to get into a boxing match when they realize he’s a wrestler and it’s all a show. Someone’s going to say, game on.
EV
Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
For better or worse, the people have spoken. He has not cried wolf, he granted a reprise. There is really only one country we need to fear, China.
-EV 8/14/93
-EV 8/14/93
less than 50% vote total spoke for hom. 77,3xx,xxx miilion out of some 240 million eligible to vote spoke. fun fact. 77,9xx,xxx voted for somebody else.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Thank you for pointing out what gets overlooked too often. The people have not spoken.
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
I agree that the system of the electoral college is broken.