We’ll see what happens as we get closer to the shows but so far it feels like the adoption of using links has made it harder overall to get tix. It benefits the lucky few who are chosen and who are dealing with a seller savvy enough to get the link sent fast enough. For the mass majority though it seems to equal no chance at all at scoring F2F.
We’ll see what happens as we get closer to the shows but so far it feels like the adoption of using links has made it harder overall to get tix. It benefits the lucky few who are chosen and who are dealing with a seller savvy enough to get the link sent fast enough. For the mass majority though it seems to equal no chance at all at scoring F2F.
The difficulty is due to bots rather than links though. People are using links more because otherwise the bots would grab everything. If that wasn't the case it would still be possible to score on random drops.
We’ll see what happens as we get closer to the shows but so far it feels like the adoption of using links has made it harder overall to get tix. It benefits the lucky few who are chosen and who are dealing with a seller savvy enough to get the link sent fast enough. For the mass majority though it seems to equal no chance at all at scoring F2F.
The difficulty is due to bots rather than links though. People are using links more because otherwise the bots would grab everything. If that wasn't the case it would still be possible to score on random drops.
Time will tell, & I’m still optimistic things will work out for me in the end. I do see unintended consequences of the links though. Not a fan of the fact that most of them are being shared outside of this forum on not just one but various platforms in private groups that have gatekeepers who decide who can join based on criteria they don’t disclose.
We’ll see what happens as we get closer to the shows but so far it feels like the adoption of using links has made it harder overall to get tix. It benefits the lucky few who are chosen and who are dealing with a seller savvy enough to get the link sent fast enough. For the mass majority though it seems to equal no chance at all at scoring F2F.
Yeah I haven’t even been able to make 1 attempt at tickets yet. They are gone before I even hear about them. Last year I could at least get in the game.
We’ll see what happens as we get closer to the shows but so far it feels like the adoption of using links has made it harder overall to get tix. It benefits the lucky few who are chosen and who are dealing with a seller savvy enough to get the link sent fast enough. For the mass majority though it seems to equal no chance at all at scoring F2F.
The difficulty is due to bots rather than links though. People are using links more because otherwise the bots would grab everything. If that wasn't the case it would still be possible to score on random drops.
Time will tell, & I’m still optimistic things will work out for me in the end. I do see unintended consequences of the links though. Not a fan of the fact that most of them are being shared outside of this forum on not just one but various platforms in private groups that have gatekeepers who decide who can join based on criteria they don’t disclose.
That type of sharing is no different from timed drops in the middle of the night coordinated on those platforms. The fact that it's now a link doesn't seem to be the real issue you're getting at.
Had a pair of Pitt 2 lined up with a directly shared link. Got the link immediately and refreshed constantly. Seemed to be taking longer than usual. Never got to the carting/check out phase. Just changed to “these are no longer available”. My friend and I both were trying and neither saw the buy screen. We’ve had successful links before. So this is new.
That sucks, sorry. Mind saying what seats they are? Curious to see if they end up for sale somewhere.
Sec 101 Row R seats 11-12. Not up anywhere yet so far as I can tell.
FYI,
These are on VividSeats and Tickpick now. If anyone needed confirmation of bots.
Had a pair of Pitt 2 lined up with a directly shared link. Got the link immediately and refreshed constantly. Seemed to be taking longer than usual. Never got to the carting/check out phase. Just changed to “these are no longer available”. My friend and I both were trying and neither saw the buy screen. We’ve had successful links before. So this is new.
That sucks, sorry. Mind saying what seats they are? Curious to see if they end up for sale somewhere.
Sec 101 Row R seats 11-12. Not up anywhere yet so far as I can tell.
FYI,
These are on VividSeats and Tickpick now. If anyone needed confirmation of bots.
That’s terrible.. was the seller a 10c member? If so you might have a case if you want to bring this up to 10club now that we got proof
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Had a pair of Pitt 2 lined up with a directly shared link. Got the link immediately and refreshed constantly. Seemed to be taking longer than usual. Never got to the carting/check out phase. Just changed to “these are no longer available”. My friend and I both were trying and neither saw the buy screen. We’ve had successful links before. So this is new.
That sucks, sorry. Mind saying what seats they are? Curious to see if they end up for sale somewhere.
Sec 101 Row R seats 11-12. Not up anywhere yet so far as I can tell.
FYI,
These are on VividSeats and Tickpick now. If anyone needed confirmation of bots.
That’s terrible.. was the seller a 10c member? If so you might have a case if you want to bring this up to 10club now that we got proof
Yep. Seller was the original fanclub ticket holder and is clearly a LONG time member. And was nice enough to try and coordinate with another long time member.
Had a pair of Pitt 2 lined up with a directly shared link. Got the link immediately and refreshed constantly. Seemed to be taking longer than usual. Never got to the carting/check out phase. Just changed to “these are no longer available”. My friend and I both were trying and neither saw the buy screen. We’ve had successful links before. So this is new.
That sucks, sorry. Mind saying what seats they are? Curious to see if they end up for sale somewhere.
Sec 101 Row R seats 11-12. Not up anywhere yet so far as I can tell.
FYI,
These are on VividSeats and Tickpick now. If anyone needed confirmation of bots.
That’s terrible.. was the seller a 10c member? If so you might have a case if you want to bring this up to 10club now that we got proof
Yep. Seller was the original fanclub ticket holder and is clearly a LONG time member. And was nice enough to try and coordinate with another long time member.
We got proof. At this point TM is interfering with our paid benefit.
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I mean we knew it. GA on these sites can ONLY come from fanclub. But you can never really tell after the fact with no seat numbers. Were those the ones I tried for?
But these. Exact seat number. Etc. Pretty clear what’s going on.
We’ll see what happens as we get closer to the shows but so far it feels like the adoption of using links has made it harder overall to get tix. It benefits the lucky few who are chosen and who are dealing with a seller savvy enough to get the link sent fast enough. For the mass majority though it seems to equal no chance at all at scoring F2F.
The difficulty is due to bots rather than links though. People are using links more because otherwise the bots would grab everything. If that wasn't the case it would still be possible to score on random drops.
Time will tell, & I’m still optimistic things will work out for me in the end. I do see unintended consequences of the links though. Not a fan of the fact that most of them are being shared outside of this forum on not just one but various platforms in private groups that have gatekeepers who decide who can join based on criteria they don’t disclose.
That type of sharing is no different from timed drops in the middle of the night coordinated on those platforms. The fact that it's now a link doesn't seem to be the real issue you're getting at.
The difference is those were still up for competition. If anyone wanted to stay up odd hours and fish for tix they could. The links shut everyone else out of being able to try.
We’ll see what happens as we get closer to the shows but so far it feels like the adoption of using links has made it harder overall to get tix. It benefits the lucky few who are chosen and who are dealing with a seller savvy enough to get the link sent fast enough. For the mass majority though it seems to equal no chance at all at scoring F2F.
The difficulty is due to bots rather than links though. People are using links more because otherwise the bots would grab everything. If that wasn't the case it would still be possible to score on random drops.
Time will tell, & I’m still optimistic things will work out for me in the end. I do see unintended consequences of the links though. Not a fan of the fact that most of them are being shared outside of this forum on not just one but various platforms in private groups that have gatekeepers who decide who can join based on criteria they don’t disclose.
That type of sharing is no different from timed drops in the middle of the night coordinated on those platforms. The fact that it's now a link doesn't seem to be the real issue you're getting at.
The difference is those were still up for competition. If anyone wanted to stay up odd hours and fish for tix they could. The links shut everyone else out of being able to try.
That's practically no difference. No one ever stayed up sniping timed drops. Which would kind of be a jerk move anyway. And the links apparently don't work all the time either.
We’ll see what happens as we get closer to the shows but so far it feels like the adoption of using links has made it harder overall to get tix. It benefits the lucky few who are chosen and who are dealing with a seller savvy enough to get the link sent fast enough. For the mass majority though it seems to equal no chance at all at scoring F2F.
The difficulty is due to bots rather than links though. People are using links more because otherwise the bots would grab everything. If that wasn't the case it would still be possible to score on random drops.
Time will tell, & I’m still optimistic things will work out for me in the end. I do see unintended consequences of the links though. Not a fan of the fact that most of them are being shared outside of this forum on not just one but various platforms in private groups that have gatekeepers who decide who can join based on criteria they don’t disclose.
That type of sharing is no different from timed drops in the middle of the night coordinated on those platforms. The fact that it's now a link doesn't seem to be the real issue you're getting at.
The difference is those were still up for competition. If anyone wanted to stay up odd hours and fish for tix they could. The links shut everyone else out of being able to try.
That's practically no difference. No one ever stayed up sniping timed drops. Which would kind of be a jerk move anyway. And the links apparently don't work all the time either.
Only a jerk move imo if you know the drop was happening and knowingly snipe from someone. It could be assumed that the tough tix I nabbed last year (good side stage seats in Seattle & pit in Chicago) were likely dropped for someone else but I didn’t know that ahead of buying them and definitely don’t feel like I did anything wrong.
FWIW, I wouldn't consider this proof that TM is interfering with anything. I'm as likely as anyone to take a cynical view of quid pro quo in the ticketing ecosystem, but the only thing that would be a smoking gun wrt TM's involvement in price fixing is if the fabled F2F-tickets-turned-PJ-Premium actually happened. Shy of that, there's simply no way to prove that TM is complicit or even aware of any shenanigans wrt F2F tickets.
In our little bubble, this is a huge deal. But if I put on my corporate hat and look at all the parts of the TM machine that continually need tending to and improvement, I honestly wouldn't be shocked if this isn't even on their radar. Heck, the official company line is still that F2F tickets are non-transferrable even though we know that's not the case. I've started to lean more towards this just being lack of awareness for TM, and a clear lack of ROI/incentive to do anything about it even if they are aware. Compared against all the other things they could be working on, preventing 3rd parties from sniping face value tickets which aren't supposed to be transferrable in the first place just isn't going to rate highly enough. They're not losing money, customers, or any public face over the very small sliver of us who are feverishly refreshing and can't get better tickets (or any tickets, in some cases). As I said earlier, it would most likely take a flood of complaints from fans of all the F2F artists (Pearl Jam, Billie Eilish, Noah Kahan, Oasis, etc...) for this to actually register as meaningful.
Unfortunately this is just the hand we've been dealt.
All that proves is botting and smpwallet/bar code spoofing is finding F2F very profitable. If TM isn’t going to figure out how to stop bar code spoofing, then it’s just time to blow up F2F as it currently exists and figure something else out.
All that proves is botting and smpwallet/bar code spoofing is finding F2F very profitable. If TM isn’t going to figure out how to stop bar code spoofing, then it’s just time to blow up F2F as it currently exists and figure something else out.
All that proves is botting and smpwallet/bar code spoofing is finding F2F very profitable. If TM isn’t going to figure out how to stop bar code spoofing, then it’s just time to blow up F2F as it currently exists and figure something else out.
I agree. To me it’s also a smoking gun that APIs are actually being used to purchase. Pitt being a sold out show that you can’t sit in and refresh between 1/2 tickets, but an API that has a 5 rps rate limit lol would have no problem there.
All that proves is botting and smpwallet/bar code spoofing is finding F2F very profitable. If TM isn’t going to figure out how to stop bar code spoofing, then it’s just time to blow up F2F as it currently exists and figure something else out.
I agree. To me it’s also a smoking gun that APIs are actually being used to purchase. Pitt being a sold out show that you can’t sit in and refresh between 1/2 tickets, but an API that has a 5 rps rate limit lol would have no problem there.
Right, it is absolutely this. I’m in no way saying Ticketmaster is buying and reselling tickets themselves. That’s too on the nose, even for them.
But the major issue, I think, is that Ticketmaster is clearly selling backend access for buying tickets to companies/brokers who are then able to easily beat real customers and circumvent fan to fan. While it’s not a direct kick back, they are benefiting from these licenses and sales. All while Ticketmaster and those select artists champion fan to fan face value ticketing which becomes less and less real.
This also clearly didn’t exist in 2022, so it’s all fairly new. Sure looks like a way for Ticketmaster to monetize a portion of the market they had to keep their hands off of. In addition of the added benefit of making their own premium tickets look more scarce and more desirable.
I honestly wouldn't be shocked if this isn't even on their radar. Heck, the official company line is still that F2F tickets are non-transferrable even though we know that's not the case. I've started to lean more towards this just being lack of awareness for TM, and a clear lack of ROI/incentive to do anything about it even if they are aware.
They are well aware of the work around for non transferable tickets but you are right that they have no incentive until the hackers that reverse engineered the mobile barcode compromise something more sensitive. Right know I would guess they are waiting to see how the lawsuit AXS has against the hackers (https://www.404media.co/scalpers-are-working-with-hackers-to-liberate-non-transferable-tickets-from-ticketmasters-ecosystem ). Ticketmaster joining that lawsuit or filing their own would look like the them consolidation power which would be a bad...well worse...look in light of the monopoly power they already have. Best to let a smaller player be the front. In the mean time fans get screwed because F2F, instead of keeping priced down actually causes them to increase on the secondary market for in demand acts.Prices should normalize closer to show time but for people wanting to button up plans in advance it sucks.
One of my many issues is enforcement. I don't think I have ever heard of TM cancelling F2F resales...ever. They just put out a boiler plate statement and then look the other way. Maybe they have done it but not at any scale. The UK got it's first taste of dynamic pricing last fall with Oasis and it did not go well. TM claims they will cancel tens of thousands of tickets on the secondary market but have yet to that. They are counting on people to either forget or be resigned to their faith against a massive corporation. I'm about there. I'll check randomly for Raleigh N1 in the hopes of getting GA or close seats but except that I will take what I can get in the weeks or days before the show. If an obstinate SOB like myself is at that point, a normal person would have been their weeks ago.
Nothing stops them from segregated the various fan clubs for F2F. They don't even have do it for the general sale tickets. They just won't and as they take over running more fan clubs there are less and less people advocating for the fans. It's a "be happy with what you get and if you get nothing well sucks for you." And if this was how it's always been fine but for us that's not the case.
They're definitely aware of the barcode hack. Are they aware of the approach that 3rd parties are using to snag F2F tickets quickly? Is it bots? Is it API access? Is it something else? TM's anti-bot strategy clearly paints with a broad brush (as many of us have been caught up in it), but F2F has a handful of other wrinkles... Unique IDs generated for ticket sales... are those discoverable? And unlike traditional sales, there's no such thing as a cart reservation, so checkout must be completed as quickly as possible. There are just a few differences... and with Ticketmaster (initially) thinking that these tickets were non-transferrable and therefore less desirable targets for scalpers, it may not have even been on their radar to try and prevent malicious activity on these event pages. I'm just saying that it's going to be really difficult to prove that TM is complicit in anything that's happening with these tickets. Ignorance is as likely an explanation as malice.
Re: enforcement by way of cancellations, it's good in theory... but all it would take is some chaos agent(s) listing a bunch of tickets they don't own and getting fans' tickets canceled. TM is clearly within their rights to cancel any tickets they want, but can you imagine if hundreds of users had their tickets canceled because some disgruntled broker just started listing tickets they don't even have on 3rd party marketplaces? As stupid as it sounds, it's not possible for TM to prove that ticket owners are responsible for listings on 3rd party sites... and that poses a problem.
All that proves is botting and smpwallet/bar code spoofing is finding F2F very profitable. If TM isn’t going to figure out how to stop bar code spoofing, then it’s just time to blow up F2F as it currently exists and figure something else out.
I agree. To me it’s also a smoking gun that APIs are actually being used to purchase. Pitt being a sold out show that you can’t sit in and refresh between 1/2 tickets, but an API that has a 5 rps rate limit lol would have no problem there.
Right, it is absolutely this. I’m in no way saying Ticketmaster is buying and reselling tickets themselves. That’s too on the nose, even for them.
But the major issue, I think, is that Ticketmaster is clearly selling backend access for buying tickets to companies/brokers who are then able to easily beat real customers and circumvent fan to fan. While it’s not a direct kick back, they are benefiting from these licenses and sales. All while Ticketmaster and those select artists champion fan to fan face value ticketing which becomes less and less real.
This also clearly didn’t exist in 2022, so it’s all fairly new. Sure looks like a way for Ticketmaster to monetize a portion of the market they had to keep their hands off of. In addition of the added benefit of making their own premium tickets look more scarce and more desirable.
why can’t ten c tix appear in an exclusive fan club site on TM for resale for the first few days?
But no, we are not allowed to ask, nor question our leaders.
Re: enforcement by way of cancellations, it's good in theory... but all it would take is some chaos agent(s) listing a bunch of tickets they don't own and getting fans' tickets canceled. TM is clearly within their rights to cancel any tickets they want, but can you imagine if hundreds of users had their tickets canceled because some disgruntled broker just started listing tickets they don't even have on 3rd party marketplaces? As stupid as it sounds, it's not possible for TM to prove that ticket owners are responsible for listings on 3rd party sites... and that poses a problem.
Well the work around that is have a 2FA when people scan tickets. Again just for fan club tickets not the general sale. I'll concede the general sale and premium to the universe but 10C tickets should be for 10C members. It won't matter if the barcode is reverse engineered because the second factor can't be.
Re: enforcement by way of cancellations, it's good in theory... but all it would take is some chaos agent(s) listing a bunch of tickets they don't own and getting fans' tickets canceled. TM is clearly within their rights to cancel any tickets they want, but can you imagine if hundreds of users had their tickets canceled because some disgruntled broker just started listing tickets they don't even have on 3rd party marketplaces? As stupid as it sounds, it's not possible for TM to prove that ticket owners are responsible for listings on 3rd party sites... and that poses a problem.
Well the work around that is have a 2FA when people scan tickets. Again just for fan club tickets not the general sale. I'll concede the general sale and premium to the universe but 10C tickets should be for 10C members. It won't matter if the barcode is reverse engineered because the second factor can't be.
I actually really like that idea. Logistical issues to overcome at ticket kiosks (imagine MFA delays for network, signal, etc…). But it’s a good idea. Of course if resellers are buying right out of the gate from TM they can just automate fwding of the MFA. But it would at least cut them out as a middleman.
Re: enforcement by way of cancellations, it's good in theory... but all it would take is some chaos agent(s) listing a bunch of tickets they don't own and getting fans' tickets canceled. TM is clearly within their rights to cancel any tickets they want, but can you imagine if hundreds of users had their tickets canceled because some disgruntled broker just started listing tickets they don't even have on 3rd party marketplaces? As stupid as it sounds, it's not possible for TM to prove that ticket owners are responsible for listings on 3rd party sites... and that poses a problem.
Well the work around that is have a 2FA when people scan tickets. Again just for fan club tickets not the general sale. I'll concede the general sale and premium to the universe but 10C tickets should be for 10C members. It won't matter if the barcode is reverse engineered because the second factor can't be.
I actually really like that idea. Logistical issues to overcome at ticket kiosks (imagine MFA delays for network, signal, etc…). But it’s a good idea. Of course if resellers are buying right out of the gate from TM they can just automate fwding of the MFA. But it would at least cut them out as a middleman.
Agreed it will add friction and make the logistics a little harder but it would be for what a quarter maybe a third of the crowd. I don't know the percentage 10C gets per venue. It would probably be quicker that when Zack Bryant was checking the ticket buyer IDs a couple of years ago. That was an AXS tour not Ticketmaster.
How would the 2FA work if you are doing trades with other members? Or even selling your tickets if your plans change?
If it's all in the 10C family it wouldn't be an issue. It would if the tickets went outside of that which this system is trying to prevent anyway. It's all a hypocritical pipe dream. Realistically I doubt the band will be touring in their seventies so that given us roughly a decade. After this run that's three maybe fours tours? I can't seen them changing it now. I hope I'm wrong on both fronts.
I think 2FA would cause too many problems that the venue doesn't want to deal with.
I'd prefer a nuclear approach. Go back to 2018 and limit resales of tickets all together. As a 10c'er its sad how many tickets get discarded back onto fan2fan. It pushes everyone further back. 2018 you couldn't only transfer 1 ticket. You couldn't ditch pairs. It makes you really think. Am I going to use those tickets I put in for in the lottery?
Either way fan2fan is now an epic fail. It's a way for scalper/bots to scrape face value tickets and make money :(
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FYI,These are on VividSeats and Tickpick now. If anyone needed confirmation of bots.
But these. Exact seat number. Etc. Pretty clear what’s going on.
In our little bubble, this is a huge deal. But if I put on my corporate hat and look at all the parts of the TM machine that continually need tending to and improvement, I honestly wouldn't be shocked if this isn't even on their radar. Heck, the official company line is still that F2F tickets are non-transferrable even though we know that's not the case. I've started to lean more towards this just being lack of awareness for TM, and a clear lack of ROI/incentive to do anything about it even if they are aware. Compared against all the other things they could be working on, preventing 3rd parties from sniping face value tickets which aren't supposed to be transferrable in the first place just isn't going to rate highly enough. They're not losing money, customers, or any public face over the very small sliver of us who are feverishly refreshing and can't get better tickets (or any tickets, in some cases). As I said earlier, it would most likely take a flood of complaints from fans of all the F2F artists (Pearl Jam, Billie Eilish, Noah Kahan, Oasis, etc...) for this to actually register as meaningful.
Unfortunately this is just the hand we've been dealt.
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Re: enforcement by way of cancellations, it's good in theory... but all it would take is some chaos agent(s) listing a bunch of tickets they don't own and getting fans' tickets canceled. TM is clearly within their rights to cancel any tickets they want, but can you imagine if hundreds of users had their tickets canceled because some disgruntled broker just started listing tickets they don't even have on 3rd party marketplaces? As stupid as it sounds, it's not possible for TM to prove that ticket owners are responsible for listings on 3rd party sites... and that poses a problem.
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