Same folks up front

on2legs

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

I think it would be quite refreshing to come here and listen to some "new folks" discuss how they won  the "GA line lottery" and were able to get rail. 
Giving everyone who has GA seats an opportunity to get rail would be fantastic. 

And nobody would have to sleep on the streets for 36 hours.

This is the way. 👆🏻

AndySlash

Get_Right said:

What sucks is that TM is eliminating the best reserved seats for 10C members and pushing us further back to sell premium seats. The days of a full 10C sections in the 100s next to the stage seem to be over. Member since 98.

the band and its management are responsible for this change, not ticketmaster. sure, they painted it as securing more tix for the fan club, but let’s not pretend that was the underlying rea$on.

pjl44

Get_Right said:

GA folks can do their thing. You can get close without the nonsense of lining up. What sucks is that TM is eliminating the best reserved seats for 10C members and pushing us further back to sell premium seats. The days of a full 10C sections in the 100s next to the stage seem to be over. Member since 98.

Do they have a choice though? Is that the deal they have to cut to get the tickets they do secure? With their touring frequency, what kind of leverage do they have at this point? I think they still do very well by us as members and try to cut them a fair amount of slack in the present environment for live music.

pjl44

The idea that they can get ALL of the best seats and sell them to us at the price they do seems like a pipe dream right now 

Poncier

AndySlash said:

Get_Right said:

What sucks is that TM is eliminating the best reserved seats for 10C members and pushing us further back to sell premium seats. The days of a full 10C sections in the 100s next to the stage seem to be over. Member since 98.

the band and its management are responsible for this change, not ticketmaster. sure, they painted it as securing more tix for the fan club, but let’s not pretend that was the underlying rea$on.

Right. Ticketmaster is simply the conduit. The band chose to have PJ Premium seating. They could follow Robert Smith's lead if they wanted to, they'd just make a little less money. 

DE4173

"Welcome to Rail Club. The first rule of Rail Club is: You do not talk about Rail Club."

Foriginal Sin

Just bring back seats. Rows 1-2 and 9-10 are lottery and the rest are seniority. And yes, this band does not have the pull with TM they used too when they only tour a handful of shows every other year. Dave Matthews can get pull, fucker hasn’t stopped touring since 1993, hits Phoenix every year. Hell Chris Stapleton hits Phoenix more than PJ ever has. And why wouldn’t they, we’re only the 5th most populated city in the U.S. (sorry ranting on two different subjects)

pjhawks

DE4173 said:

"Welcome to Rail Club. The first rule of Rail Club is: You do not talk about Rail Club."

except they do talk about it and how special they are

DE4173

☹️

jagerweis

I’ve done GA for Springsteen a bunch of times, before this tour and I had lamented the lottery system for his shows not being used for his current tour. I'm not a fan of having to line up days before in order to get up front, but I respect those that are able to devote the time to it. I had only done GA for PJ once a few years ago. Did it 4 times this tour, twice in Florida and twice in Pittsburgh. Florida was a disaster for N1 and then PJ security made sure a new process was in place for N2 to take care of those who were lining up. However, people still came that morning thinking it was the same process, lined up in the casino, and had to be reintegrated into the actual line. Same thing happened with merch, where 15 people lined up right outside of where the merch was being sold an hour before it went on sale thinking they were first in line, which was ridiculous since they walked right past the tons of people already in line. 

Pittsburgh was the only time I've ever done the camping thing and, honestly, I definitely had anxiety doing it because of the reputation of the "rail riders" and being an outsider, challenges of camping, and not to mention devoting almost the entirety of my trip to waiting in line. The experience was so much different than I expected. I ended up on the rail both nights and was within the first 15-25 between the two nights. I was ahead of a few of the rail regulars on N2 as well. I have no doubt that there have been situations that have been negative and that there are certain individuals who contribute, if not directly perpetuate, the negativity about the "rail mafia." However, my experience was extremely positive and the ones who do it regularly took my friend and I in, couldn't have been more welcoming, and helped take care of us with anything we needed for which we weren't prepared. There was a situation with the N2 line where there was contentiousness because a handful of people started forming a line right in front of the arena, while the designated spot (which was on the official PJ map) was across the street. Those people were ultimately integrated into the line and still ended up on the rail. 

I experienced a group of people who had become close throughout this that easily could've treated me like an outsider, but didn't. They went out of their way to look out for me and make sure I was welcome and had a great experience. The bottom line is that while there is certainly a good argument to make for changing the way PJ organizes GA, this is the way it is and it feels like there's an undue amount of hate toward those who are able to do this consistently. I don't know how many times I'll be able to camp out like that again, but I'm glad I had the experience and got to meet everyone I did on this tour.

Get_Right

pjl44 said:

Get_Right said:

GA folks can do their thing. You can get close without the nonsense of lining up. What sucks is that TM is eliminating the best reserved seats for 10C members and pushing us further back to sell premium seats. The days of a full 10C sections in the 100s next to the stage seem to be over. Member since 98.

Do they have a choice though? Is that the deal they have to cut to get the tickets they do secure? With their touring frequency, what kind of leverage do they have at this point? I think they still do very well by us as members and try to cut them a fair amount of slack in the present environment for live music.

I think they absolutely do have a choice. But how do you say no to a bunch of extra cash for each show? To your point, if they only go out for a small number of shows, they want to cash in. I cannot blame them for that. I think that $200 price point is in the middle of affordable and outrageous prices. I have more of an issue with them giving up the best seats than I do raising prices or selling premiums.

TheBeardedFellow

2006- Theyre sick of the same faces so do something about it in Grand Rapids
2025- They love all those same faces

Who knows!

Chrrie

TheBeardedFellow said:

2006- Theyre sick of the same faces so do something about it in Grand Rapids
2025- They love all those same faces

Who knows!

They have the ability to change it any time they want just like they did for Grand Rapids. 

given2flym

“A note from Ten Club.  The GA line is first-come, first-served. In the past, fans have used their own fan created numbering system to save a place in line. The numbering system will not be  tolerated.  We have seen fans abuse this in the past, therefore the numbering system will not be tolerated.  Anyone participating in this fan created queueing system will be sent to the back of the line. It is the Ten Club’s position that those that put in the time to wait in the GA line all day should be the first in the door.”

on2legs

given2flym said:

“A note from Ten Club.  The GA line is first-come, first-served. In the past, fans have used their own fan created numbering system to save a place in line. The numbering system will not be  tolerated.  We have seen fans abuse this in the past, therefore the numbering system will not be tolerated.  Anyone participating in this fan created queueing system will be sent to the back of the line. It is the Ten Club’s position that those that put in the time to wait in the GA line all day should be the first in the door.”

“that put in the time to wait in the GA line all day”

So wait “all day” would seem to mean not leaving the line at all.  And certainly not to buy merch or like someone posted in earlier in this thread that they left the line to go back to their hotel for 90 minutes and took a phone call for work.  🙄

RatherStarved

The powers that be absolutely not only tolerate but enforce the numbering system in my observation.  

mookeywrench

Chrrie said:

pjl44 said:

pjhawks said:

Chrrie 

That is honestly how I feel commenting in this thread because most people clearly have an agenda that I could never introduce any competitive thought into. But the quote was literally directed to the front row haha. I’m not saying there aren’t thousands of people in the building who go to many shows, but we’re at 42 pages of “the band is clearly sick of seeing the same people up front” and idk how it can be any more clear that that’s not the case based on what he said two weeks ago (and Ohana last year for that matter). 

You realize it's their job to flatter and pander to  the crowd during shows right?

given2flym

In my observation of doing GA at 10 shows this tour there was no numbering system used at any of them aside from what the venue passed out for Hollywood 1 

pjl44

Get_Right said:

pjl44 said:

Get_Right said:

GA folks can do their thing. You can get close without the nonsense of lining up. What sucks is that TM is eliminating the best reserved seats for 10C members and pushing us further back to sell premium seats. The days of a full 10C sections in the 100s next to the stage seem to be over. Member since 98.

Do they have a choice though? Is that the deal they have to cut to get the tickets they do secure? With their touring frequency, what kind of leverage do they have at this point? I think they still do very well by us as members and try to cut them a fair amount of slack in the present environment for live music.

I think they absolutely do have a choice. But how do you say no to a bunch of extra cash for each show? To your point, if they only go out for a small number of shows, they want to cash in. I cannot blame them for that. I think that $200 price point is in the middle of affordable and outrageous prices. I have more of an issue with them giving up the best seats than I do raising prices or selling premiums.

Yeah who's to say where the slider lands for their own bottom line. That will remain a mystery but is a fair point. I do think it's notable, though, that whatever they're negotiating nets them the entire GA section. That's pretty good!

pearldavidson

on2legs said:

given2flym said:

“A note from Ten Club.  The GA line is first-come, first-served. In the past, fans have used their own fan created numbering system to save a place in line. The numbering system will not be  tolerated.  We have seen fans abuse this in the past, therefore the numbering system will not be tolerated.  Anyone participating in this fan created queueing system will be sent to the back of the line. It is the Ten Club’s position that those that put in the time to wait in the GA line all day should be the first in the door.”

“that put in the time to wait in the GA line all day”

So wait “all day” would seem to mean not leaving the line at all.  And certainly not to buy merch or like someone posted in earlier in this thread that they left the line to go back to their hotel for 90 minutes and took a phone call for work.  🙄

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