It’s a turn off to me that this band is so tied at the hip with TM I don’t want no part of it!
they've been using TM for 29 years straight now! Where you been? Only took a couple years off from TM around 94-95
It is not an issue that PJ uses TM, they really have no choice as TM has a monopoly. What is rubbing people the wrong way is that the band is complicit in TM's more recent selling strategy and dynamic pricing model. Fans are paying more and 10C members are not getting the best seats anymore. The best side seats that used to go to the 10C are now being sold to the highest bidder. Good luck to everyone!
It’s a turn off to me that this band is so tied at the hip with TM I don’t want no part of it!
they've been using TM for 29 years straight now! Where you been? Only took a couple years off from TM around 94-95
It is not an issue that PJ uses TM, they really have no choice as TM has a monopoly. What is rubbing people the wrong way is that the band is complicit in TM's more recent selling strategy and dynamic pricing model. Fans are paying more and 10C members are not getting the best seats anymore. The best side seats that used to go to the 10C are now being sold to the highest bidder. Good luck to everyone!
Ballparks are different of course, but I would guess people are getting seats further back then they did the last time around. I do not consider the back of the floor, in any venue, to be "the best seats in the house."
I've been to over 1,200 shows. I've sat everywhere. Certainly enough to develop a preference. I'm 5'7" and love those seats behind a pit. Not wild about a side angle view. There is not an obvious answer for which is better. Ten Club doing their best.
As someone who is only 5'6, I have to say being three-quarters of the way back on the floor (or perhaps even closer) is not necessarily better than lower bowl seating. But I'm happy for all you tall people that those seats are designed for lol.
My wife would agree, she is slightly shorter than you. I am 5'11" and it is hard for me to see from the floor too sometimes.
I've been to over 1,200 shows. I've sat everywhere. Certainly enough to develop a preference. I'm 5'7" and love those seats behind a pit. Not wild about a side angle view. There is not an obvious answer for which is better. Ten Club doing their best.
Therein lies the question. Are they doing their best for the fans or the bottom line? It is great that we still get the opportunity to buy tickets without fees. But when I win the 10C lottery there is less excitement as I know TM is pushing me farther away from the stage. Because they control the ticket distribution, down to the individual seat. From what I have seen, the venue does matter in terms of seating, but let's not lose sight of what is happening. TM is auctioning off seats that used to go to the 10C. Someone that is willing to pay $800 a seat, or more, will have better seats than me. And that sucks.
I've been to over 1,200 shows. I've sat everywhere. Certainly enough to develop a preference. I'm 5'7" and love those seats behind a pit. Not wild about a side angle view. There is not an obvious answer for which is better. Ten Club doing their best.
Therein lies the question. Are they doing their best for the fans or the bottom line? It is great that we still get the opportunity to buy tickets without fees. But when I win the 10C lottery there is less excitement as I know TM is pushing me farther away from the stage. Because they control the ticket distribution, down to the individual seat. From what I have seen, the venue does matter in terms of seating, but let's not lose sight of what is happening. TM is auctioning off seats that used to go to the 10C. Someone that is willing to pay $800 a seat, or more, will have better seats than me. And that sucks.
I've had it very good for a very long time. Frankly, the resumption of GA sections has done more to push back my seats than platinum tickets. They've built up more than enough goodwill with me that I trust they're doing the best they can in this environment. I have free will and can just drop my membership if I ever feel it's a bum deal.
I've been to over 1,200 shows. I've sat everywhere. Certainly enough to develop a preference. I'm 5'7" and love those seats behind a pit. Not wild about a side angle view. There is not an obvious answer for which is better. Ten Club doing their best.
Therein lies the question. Are they doing their best for the fans or the bottom line? It is great that we still get the opportunity to buy tickets without fees. But when I win the 10C lottery there is less excitement as I know TM is pushing me farther away from the stage. Because they control the ticket distribution, down to the individual seat. From what I have seen, the venue does matter in terms of seating, but let's not lose sight of what is happening. TM is auctioning off seats that used to go to the 10C. Someone that is willing to pay $800 a seat, or more, will have better seats than me. And that sucks.
I've had it very good for a very long time. Frankly, the resumption of GA sections has done more to push back my seats than platinum tickets. They've built up more than enough goodwill with me that I trust they're doing the best they can in this environment. I have free will and can just drop my membership if I ever feel it's a bum deal.
Same. The membership is still worth it IMHO. They resumed GA a long time ago. My seats were still great. That is not what is happening now. You have 5 digit members being seated three sections farther back of the venue, or on the back of the floor. That is so TM can sell the closer seats for more.
I've been to over 1,200 shows. I've sat everywhere. Certainly enough to develop a preference. I'm 5'7" and love those seats behind a pit. Not wild about a side angle view. There is not an obvious answer for which is better. Ten Club doing their best.
Therein lies the question. Are they doing their best for the fans or the bottom line? It is great that we still get the opportunity to buy tickets without fees. But when I win the 10C lottery there is less excitement as I know TM is pushing me farther away from the stage. Because they control the ticket distribution, down to the individual seat. From what I have seen, the venue does matter in terms of seating, but let's not lose sight of what is happening. TM is auctioning off seats that used to go to the 10C. Someone that is willing to pay $800 a seat, or more, will have better seats than me. And that sucks.
I've had it very good for a very long time. Frankly, the resumption of GA sections has done more to push back my seats than platinum tickets. They've built up more than enough goodwill with me that I trust they're doing the best they can in this environment. I have free will and can just drop my membership if I ever feel it's a bum deal.
Same. The membership is still worth it IMHO. They resumed GA a long time ago. My seats were still great. That is not what is happening now. You have 5 digit members being seated three sections farther back of the venue, or on the back of the floor. That is so TM can sell the closer seats for more.
I am also a 5 digit member and despite it being a long time ago, GA sections are still a much bigger culprit of my seats being pushed back. I certainly understand not appreciating the spirit of platinum pricing, but it only made the situation incrementally worse.
I've been to over 1,200 shows. I've sat everywhere. Certainly enough to develop a preference. I'm 5'7" and love those seats behind a pit. Not wild about a side angle view. There is not an obvious answer for which is better. Ten Club doing their best.
Therein lies the question. Are they doing their best for the fans or the bottom line? It is great that we still get the opportunity to buy tickets without fees. But when I win the 10C lottery there is less excitement as I know TM is pushing me farther away from the stage. Because they control the ticket distribution, down to the individual seat. From what I have seen, the venue does matter in terms of seating, but let's not lose sight of what is happening. TM is auctioning off seats that used to go to the 10C. Someone that is willing to pay $800 a seat, or more, will have better seats than me. And that sucks.
I've had it very good for a very long time. Frankly, the resumption of GA sections has done more to push back my seats than platinum tickets. They've built up more than enough goodwill with me that I trust they're doing the best they can in this environment. I have free will and can just drop my membership if I ever feel it's a bum deal.
Same. The membership is still worth it IMHO. They resumed GA a long time ago. My seats were still great. That is not what is happening now. You have 5 digit members being seated three sections farther back of the venue, or on the back of the floor. That is so TM can sell the closer seats for more.
I am also a 5 digit member and despite it being a long time ago, GA sections are still a much bigger culprit of my seats being pushed back. I certainly understand not appreciating the spirit of platinum pricing, but it only made the situation incrementally worse.
Agree, but if you did not pick GA, you would be farther back these days. 1st world problems.
I've been to over 1,200 shows. I've sat everywhere. Certainly enough to develop a preference. I'm 5'7" and love those seats behind a pit. Not wild about a side angle view. There is not an obvious answer for which is better. Ten Club doing their best.
Therein lies the question. Are they doing their best for the fans or the bottom line? It is great that we still get the opportunity to buy tickets without fees. But when I win the 10C lottery there is less excitement as I know TM is pushing me farther away from the stage. Because they control the ticket distribution, down to the individual seat. From what I have seen, the venue does matter in terms of seating, but let's not lose sight of what is happening. TM is auctioning off seats that used to go to the 10C. Someone that is willing to pay $800 a seat, or more, will have better seats than me. And that sucks.
I've had it very good for a very long time. Frankly, the resumption of GA sections has done more to push back my seats than platinum tickets. They've built up more than enough goodwill with me that I trust they're doing the best they can in this environment. I have free will and can just drop my membership if I ever feel it's a bum deal.
Same. The membership is still worth it IMHO. They resumed GA a long time ago. My seats were still great. That is not what is happening now. You have 5 digit members being seated three sections farther back of the venue, or on the back of the floor. That is so TM can sell the closer seats for more.
Membership is worth it for the shot at Florida venue alone.
PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024: Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2
EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
Decided against NC both shows, and am only gonna go for GA/reserved in PA both nights. Good chance, I won't get anything, but do not want to get stuck w/ tickets, and Pitt is only about a 6 hour drive. Good luck everyone! Reveals coming Wed...
Decided against NC both shows, and am only gonna go for GA/reserved in PA both nights. Good chance, I won't get anything, but do not want to get stuck w/ tickets, and Pitt is only about a 6 hour drive. Good luck everyone! Reveals coming Wed...
If there is chance you cannot go, or if it is a financial stretch, then do not participate in the lottery. I mean this generally and not directed at you. It happens every time and 10C members miss out on tickets for those speculating from long distances away. Do not be mad when you are stuck with $400 of tickets you cannot sell or transfer.
Different strokes, etc. I would take first row behind the pit over any side loge seat all day.
Good for you...I could see and was close to band which would not happen on floor behind pit
You can actually see very well from the first row behind the pit. I had those seats for Vancouver 2. There is a gap between the floor seats and the pit. You also have the barrier to lean on and use as leverage.
Different strokes, etc. I would take first row behind the pit over any side loge seat all day.
Good for you...I could see and was close to band which would not happen on floor behind pit
You can actually see very well from the first row behind the pit. I had those seats for Vancouver 2. There is a gap between the floor seats and the pit. You also have the barrier to lean on and use as leverage.
Agree. Best seats in the house.
PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024: Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2
EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
Different strokes, etc. I would take first row behind the pit over any side loge seat all day.
Good for you...I could see and was close to band which would not happen on floor behind pit
You can actually see very well from the first row behind the pit. I had those seats for Vancouver 2. There is a gap between the floor seats and the pit. You also have the barrier to lean on and use as leverage.
It's been said plenty of times, but I'll say it again: yes, premium is taking away good seats from 10c members. But I really believe it's the band not touring as much that's making tickets harder to get (unless you live in CA haha). An area, such as the Midwest, used to get several shows. Now there's just Chicago most of the time.
People are realizing the scarcity of shows + who knows how many good years they have left and you get more ppl gutted and losing out on shows.
Chicago, Aug 24, 2009 Noblesville, May 7, 2010 PJ20 Night 1, 2011 Cincinnati, Oct. 1, 2014 Milwaukee, Oct. 20, 2014 Wrigley Field, Aug 20, 2016 Wrigley Field, Aug 22, 2016 Wrigley Field, Aug 18, 2018 Wrigley Field, Aug 20, 2018 St. Louis, Sept. 18, 2022 Chicago, Sept. 5, 2023 Chicago, Sept. 7, 2023
I got one question, why are ten club tickets $184 a pop? That’s freakin ridiculous. What happened to the Pearl Jam that fought Ticketmaster? Where is the Pearl Jam that once made PJ shows affordable? 184 bucks a ticket is ridiculous. If you are not in the fan club tickets start at 300 bucks. Ticket sites are selling PJ tickets for over a thousand bucks each! What happened to Pearl Jam? So disappointed and not stoked for the tour. Been a fan since 1992. The Pearl Jam I grew up with and loved is gone. Bring back affordable tickets to the fan club. December 5th 2024 is the day the music died.
That also includes fees charged by the venue/TM, taxes, etc.
And yes, it includes seats in the first row, unlike other bands. Would you rather have the only way into the first row $1200, but at least you get a t-shirt, digital download of that show and a buffet with two drink tickets? That's what I see other top-level bands doing.
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It's been said plenty of times, but I'll say it again: yes, premium is taking away good seats from 10c members. But I really believe it's the band not touring as much that's making tickets harder to get (unless you live in CA haha). An area, such as the Midwest, used to get several shows. Now there's just Chicago most of the time.
People are realizing the scarcity of shows + who knows how many good years they have left and you get more ppl gutted and losing out on shows.
That first part.
It's the scarcity of shows plus the fact that people are using their vacation time/money for Pearl Jam instead of going to the beach, Disney, skiing, etc.
They also generally announce each leg individually. There probably will be other shows this year, but...we just don't know at this time. This causes Europeans, South Americans and others to all try for a venue with 7,000 seats instead of even just a little tease "more shows for 2025 announced soon."
What'd be BEST is if they announced the entire year all up front, but they don't do that. People in/near 10-15 major European cities wouldn't be tempted to try for Raleigh and Pittsburgh.
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It’s a turn off to me that this band is so tied at the hip with TM I don’t want no part of it!
they've been using TM for 29 years straight now! Where you been? Only took a couple years off from TM around 94-95
It is not an issue that PJ uses TM, they really have no choice as TM has a monopoly. What is rubbing people the wrong way is that the band is complicit in TM's more recent selling strategy and dynamic pricing model. Fans are paying more and 10C members are not getting the best seats anymore. The best side seats that used to go to the 10C are now being sold to the highest bidder. Good luck to everyone!
The alternative to PJ Premium would be that every ticket in the house increases by $50 or so (however the math works out). The band (and everyone they pay) and TM have to make their money; they don't work for free. People are already complaining that tickets are $185 each. As someone who used to always be in the first wing section and now either gets pushed back or is stuck behind the finance bros who pay for PJ Premium, I understand ad feel the animosity towards it, but the alternative would be expensive for everyone.
Different strokes, etc. I would take first row behind the pit over any side loge seat all day.
Good for you...I could see and was close to band which would not happen on floor behind pit
You can actually see very well from the first row behind the pit. I had those seats for Vancouver 2. There is a gap between the floor seats and the pit. You also have the barrier to lean on and use as leverage.
It’s a turn off to me that this band is so tied at the hip with TM I don’t want no part of it!
they've been using TM for 29 years straight now! Where you been? Only took a couple years off from TM around 94-95
It is not an issue that PJ uses TM, they really have no choice as TM has a monopoly. What is rubbing people the wrong way is that the band is complicit in TM's more recent selling strategy and dynamic pricing model. Fans are paying more and 10C members are not getting the best seats anymore. The best side seats that used to go to the 10C are now being sold to the highest bidder. Good luck to everyone!
The alternative to PJ Premium would be that every ticket in the house increases by $50 or so (however the math works out). The band (and everyone they pay) and TM have to make their money; they don't work for free. People are already complaining that tickets are $185 each. As someone who used to always be in the first wing section and now either gets pushed back or is stuck behind the finance bros who pay for PJ Premium, I understand ad feel the animosity towards it, but the alternative would be expensive for everyone.
It is not about working for free. It is about a monopoly taking away the best seats from the 10C and auctioning them off. $50 more will not cover the difference. Maybe the band has reached an age where it is just business. I'm ok with that. I am not ok with the best seats going to "finance bros" just because they pay more than the fan club members.
What's up with ONLY being able to pick just 5 Shows?
It wouldn't be so bad if we knew what we scored with the 10C, before the TM Artist Presale closed.
I hadn't even noticed that limit. I am really glad they didn't have a limit in place last year.
I kind-of-sort-of noticed when I read the email, but I wasn't %100 sure, until I went on TM to select the shows I wanted, and when I got to show 6 It wasn't letting me select the 6th show.
It would've been nice if we got 24-48 after we were notified about 10C seats? Then we could go to TM and Select the shows we didn't win?
Personally, I'm just thrilled to still be able to see a band that I grew up with still playing live shows. Nosebleed seats or not, I'm just happy to get in the venue to see Pearl Jam live.
What's up with ONLY being able to pick just 5 Shows?
It wouldn't be so bad if we knew what we scored with the 10C, before the TM Artist Presale closed.
I hadn't even noticed that limit. I am really glad they didn't have a limit in place last year.
I kind-of-sort-of noticed when I read the email, but I wasn't %100 sure, until I went on TM to select the shows I wanted, and when I got to show 6 It wasn't letting me select the 6th show.
It would've been nice if we got 24-48 after we were notified about 10C seats? Then we could go to TM and Select the shows we didn't win?
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Therein lies the question. Are they doing their best for the fans or the bottom line? It is great that we still get the opportunity to buy tickets without fees. But when I win the 10C lottery there is less excitement as I know TM is pushing me farther away from the stage. Because they control the ticket distribution, down to the individual seat. From what I have seen, the venue does matter in terms of seating, but let's not lose sight of what is happening. TM is auctioning off seats that used to go to the 10C. Someone that is willing to pay $800 a seat, or more, will have better seats than me. And that sucks.
Same. The membership is still worth it IMHO. They resumed GA a long time ago. My seats were still great. That is not what is happening now. You have 5 digit members being seated three sections farther back of the venue, or on the back of the floor. That is so TM can sell the closer seats for more.
Agree, but if you did not pick GA, you would be farther back these days. 1st world problems.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
If there is chance you cannot go, or if it is a financial stretch, then do not participate in the lottery. I mean this generally and not directed at you. It happens every time and 10C members miss out on tickets for those speculating from long distances away. Do not be mad when you are stuck with $400 of tickets you cannot sell or transfer.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
Noblesville, May 7, 2010
PJ20 Night 1, 2011
Cincinnati, Oct. 1, 2014
Milwaukee, Oct. 20, 2014
Wrigley Field, Aug 20, 2016
Wrigley Field, Aug 22, 2016
Wrigley Field, Aug 18, 2018
Wrigley Field, Aug 20, 2018
St. Louis, Sept. 18, 2022
Chicago, Sept. 5, 2023
Chicago, Sept. 7, 2023
That also includes fees charged by the venue/TM, taxes, etc.
And yes, it includes seats in the first row, unlike other bands. Would you rather have the only way into the first row $1200, but at least you get a t-shirt, digital download of that show and a buffet with two drink tickets? That's what I see other top-level bands doing.
That first part.
It's the scarcity of shows plus the fact that people are using their vacation time/money for Pearl Jam instead of going to the beach, Disney, skiing, etc.
They also generally announce each leg individually. There probably will be other shows this year, but...we just don't know at this time. This causes Europeans, South Americans and others to all try for a venue with 7,000 seats instead of even just a little tease "more shows for 2025 announced soon."
What'd be BEST is if they announced the entire year all up front, but they don't do that. People in/near 10-15 major European cities wouldn't be tempted to try for Raleigh and Pittsburgh.
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It wouldn't be so bad if we knew what we scored with the 10C, before the TM Artist Presale closed.
It is not about working for free. It is about a monopoly taking away the best seats from the 10C and auctioning them off. $50 more will not cover the difference. Maybe the band has reached an age where it is just business. I'm ok with that. I am not ok with the best seats going to "finance bros" just because they pay more than the fan club members.
It would've been nice if we got 24-48 after we were notified about 10C seats? Then we could go to TM and Select the shows we didn't win?
They were just talking about shows going on sale local tv station.