#47 - Musk/trump/Vance

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  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,225
    The idolization of Putin and Russia by the American right totally tracks. Its just wild.
  • ChoccoloccotideChoccoloccotide A grass shack nailed to a pinewood floor Posts: 1,125
    Hawk123 said:
    Hawk123 said:
    These Trumps are such fucking losers. Innocent people being slaughtered 


    Zelensky could have ended this war 2 years ago but refused to negotiate.  Fast forward to now with a million dead and he’s laughing all the way to the bank, but not for long.  
    Or maybe he knew there was no negotiating. Do you honestly think Putin would’ve just backed the troops out and left it alone after getting Crimea? He wants the entire country and the Trumps will make sure he gets a significant piece of it since it’s in their best interest to help him out. 

    It’s funny how you make it Zelenskys fault that people are dead.  
    A deal was done but he rejected it.
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,225
    what was the deal?

  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,577
    Hawk123 said:
    Hawk123 said:
    These Trumps are such fucking losers. Innocent people being slaughtered 


    Zelensky could have ended this war 2 years ago but refused to negotiate.  Fast forward to now with a million dead and he’s laughing all the way to the bank, but not for long.  
    Or maybe he knew there was no negotiating. Do you honestly think Putin would’ve just backed the troops out and left it alone after getting Crimea? He wants the entire country and the Trumps will make sure he gets a significant piece of it since it’s in their best interest to help him out. 

    It’s funny how you make it Zelenskys fault that people are dead.  
    A deal was done but he rejected it.
    what was the deal?

    Yea. Please do share the deal. 
  • Hawk123 said:
    Hawk123 said:
    These Trumps are such fucking losers. Innocent people being slaughtered 


    Zelensky could have ended this war 2 years ago but refused to negotiate.  Fast forward to now with a million dead and he’s laughing all the way to the bank, but not for long.  
    Or maybe he knew there was no negotiating. Do you honestly think Putin would’ve just backed the troops out and left it alone after getting Crimea? He wants the entire country and the Trumps will make sure he gets a significant piece of it since it’s in their best interest to help him out. 

    It’s funny how you make it Zelenskys fault that people are dead.  
    A deal was done but he rejected it.
    Russia agreed to leave? What does X say?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,780
    he would have to give up his independent country. How is that acceptable? Why are we acting like what Russia is doing is totally fine? Even just giving them an inch on this?

    100%, To say nothing of the fact that if they had surrendered immediately they would have been slaughtered en masse anyway.
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,780
    The alternate history where Ukraine cedes some territory and that's the end of it and everyone goes about their day is delusional 
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,780
    The idolization of Putin and Russia by the American right totally tracks. Its just wild.
    Don't leave out the Roger Waters/Jimmy Dore/Glenn Greenwald left in this coalition 
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,225
    Ha. Gotta close the horseshoe
  • ”Our No-War president!”

    untill he attacks Iran in an attempt to stay in power FDR style

    then it’s

    ”Wee! Let’s kill brown people again like our second greatest president W did!”
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,677
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:

     I hate to say this, because I don't like to see people suffer, but I think this has to happen.  It's like how sometimes an addict has to hit bottom and then sink or swim.  


    I think this is exactly spot on. America as a country decided. We deserve what we get.

    I agree, though it's hugely unfortunate that we will all pay the price of electing a hateful dictator.  The blowback will be harsh.  All but the most wealthy will feel the pinch. People are going to struggle.  The question is, will voters who allowed this to happen learn from it?  Will they learn to fact check and think critically?  Or will they remain ignorant and prone to believing lies?  We shall see.
    We are due for an economic correction. Better that it happens under trump this time. That's the only good I see coming from this.

    To be determined is if the electorate will blame him. 
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  • ComeToTXComeToTX Austin Posts: 7,854
    Hawk123 said:
    Hawk123 said:
    These Trumps are such fucking losers. Innocent people being slaughtered 


    Zelensky could have ended this war 2 years ago but refused to negotiate.  Fast forward to now with a million dead and he’s laughing all the way to the bank, but not for long.  
    Or maybe he knew there was no negotiating. Do you honestly think Putin would’ve just backed the troops out and left it alone after getting Crimea? He wants the entire country and the Trumps will make sure he gets a significant piece of it since it’s in their best interest to help him out. 

    It’s funny how you make it Zelenskys fault that people are dead.  
    A deal was done but he rejected it.
    Still waiting for that link…
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  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,225
    My worry is that it starts under Trump but gets going in 4 years, possibly with a Democratic president and that president gets blamed for it.

  • bootlegbootleg Posts: 711
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:

     I hate to say this, because I don't like to see people suffer, but I think this has to happen.  It's like how sometimes an addict has to hit bottom and then sink or swim.  


    I think this is exactly spot on. America as a country decided. We deserve what we get.

    I agree, though it's hugely unfortunate that we will all pay the price of electing a hateful dictator.  The blowback will be harsh.  All but the most wealthy will feel the pinch. People are going to struggle.  The question is, will voters who allowed this to happen learn from it?  Will they learn to fact check and think critically?  Or will they remain ignorant and prone to believing lies?  We shall see.
    The tragic part is that Harris’ economic policies would have benefited the majority of MAGA more than they would have ever benefited me directly.  But I try to look out for others that are less fortunate and understand that a rising tide lifts all boats.  But now I’m going to turn inward, protect myself and those that I care about from the damage that is about to come.  I’ll be fine, I can ride out the pain and unfortunately it will be MAGA that suffers the most.  I hope it was worth “owning the libs”, you know those people that were looking out for you whether you knew it or not.
  • ChoccoloccotideChoccoloccotide A grass shack nailed to a pinewood floor Posts: 1,125
    edited November 10
    nicknyr15 said:
    Hawk123 said:
    Hawk123 said:
    These Trumps are such fucking losers. Innocent people being slaughtered 


    Zelensky could have ended this war 2 years ago but refused to negotiate.  Fast forward to now with a million dead and he’s laughing all the way to the bank, but not for long.  
    Or maybe he knew there was no negotiating. Do you honestly think Putin would’ve just backed the troops out and left it alone after getting Crimea? He wants the entire country and the Trumps will make sure he gets a significant piece of it since it’s in their best interest to help him out. 

    It’s funny how you make it Zelenskys fault that people are dead.  
    A deal was done but he rejected it.
    what was the deal?

    Yea. Please do share the deal. 
    https://tass.com/politics/1629441/amp
  • Spurs14Spurs14 Buffalo Grove, IL Posts: 271
    Tass???!!!  Wow. 
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,225
    come on man

  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,225
    Heres a more direct question. Do you think Ukraine, as a sovereign nation, is entitled to their boarders from just before the Russian invasion.

  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,225
    Again, WILD to carry Russia's water.

  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,225
    edited November 10
    when your citation for your argument relies on news sourcing from a country known for misinformation, and a 30 minute YouTube also using the same source, you’re argument is kinda cooked. 

  • jerparker20jerparker20 St. Paul, MN Posts: 2,513
    edited November 10
    Spurs14 said:
    Tass???!!!  Wow. 
    Right from the Tass homepage:

    Since 1904 TASS has been Russia's leading news agency.”

    At this point, I’m done with responding to this person/bot/troll, and everyone else should be too.
    Post edited by jerparker20 on
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,195
    Again, WILD to carry Russia's water.

    The GOP has been doing it since the patriarch of a family that admittedly gets lots of funding from Russians became its face.  Feels like they say “America First” so often to try to convince us…
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  • Scary shit
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,962
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • Hawk123Hawk123 Posts: 2,208
    edited November 10
    nicknyr15 said:
    Hawk123 said:
    Hawk123 said:
    These Trumps are such fucking losers. Innocent people being slaughtered 


    Zelensky could have ended this war 2 years ago but refused to negotiate.  Fast forward to now with a million dead and he’s laughing all the way to the bank, but not for long.  
    Or maybe he knew there was no negotiating. Do you honestly think Putin would’ve just backed the troops out and left it alone after getting Crimea? He wants the entire country and the Trumps will make sure he gets a significant piece of it since it’s in their best interest to help him out. 

    It’s funny how you make it Zelenskys fault that people are dead.  
    A deal was done but he rejected it.
    what was the deal?

    Yea. Please do share the deal. 
    https://tass.com/politics/1629441/amp
    Ah that’s why I missed it, I don’t read Russian news propaganda. No wonder Trump won with this level of fact checking 
    Post edited by Hawk123 on
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,225
    Hey man. Trump is angry and vengeful against the same people they want to be angry and vengeful towards. Lay off them! 
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,320
    bootleg said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:

     I hate to say this, because I don't like to see people suffer, but I think this has to happen.  It's like how sometimes an addict has to hit bottom and then sink or swim.  


    I think this is exactly spot on. America as a country decided. We deserve what we get.

    I agree, though it's hugely unfortunate that we will all pay the price of electing a hateful dictator.  The blowback will be harsh.  All but the most wealthy will feel the pinch. People are going to struggle.  The question is, will voters who allowed this to happen learn from it?  Will they learn to fact check and think critically?  Or will they remain ignorant and prone to believing lies?  We shall see.
    The tragic part is that Harris’ economic policies would have benefited the majority of MAGA more than they would have ever benefited me directly.  But I try to look out for others that are less fortunate and understand that a rising tide lifts all boats.  But now I’m going to turn inward, protect myself and those that I care about from the damage that is about to come.  I’ll be fine, I can ride out the pain and unfortunately it will be MAGA that suffers the most.  I hope it was worth “owning the libs”, you know those people that were looking out for you whether you knew it or not.

    Agreed, bootleg.  Sadly, I must add that the others who will hurt the most will be migrants and LGBTQ+ folks.

    And what will suffer most of all, for a time, will be the planet. But the planet is also the strongest.  I remember when COVID first hit and people were sheltering in place all over the world.  Wildlife flourish in a very short period of time.  The air got cleaner everywhere.  Nature bats last.  But now, with the Felon in charge, the planet will suffer quite a bit for some time and the impact will be great, especially on mammals (I assume everyone here knows humans are mammals).  There will be a great need to clean up the mess after these next four years in order to, hopefully, repair some of the damage.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,353
    Hawk123 said:
    Hawk123 said:
    These Trumps are such fucking losers. Innocent people being slaughtered 


    Zelensky could have ended this war 2 years ago but refused to negotiate.  Fast forward to now with a million dead and he’s laughing all the way to the bank, but not for long.  
    Or maybe he knew there was no negotiating. Do you honestly think Putin would’ve just backed the troops out and left it alone after getting Crimea? He wants the entire country and the Trumps will make sure he gets a significant piece of it since it’s in their best interest to help him out. 

    It’s funny how you make it Zelenskys fault that people are dead.  
    it's the entire maga mantra. no matter who fucks it up, it's always the dems that are responsible for cleaning it up. 
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  • ComeToTXComeToTX Austin Posts: 7,854
    Not just dems. It’s anyone who doesn’t pledge allegiance to their orange god. Plenty of republicans have been ousted too. 
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  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,225
    edited November 11
    Also the idea of Zelinski laughing as he deposits money into a war torn bank is funny. 

    As if the US is just giving him a check of money that he has to sign the back of and cash at a local bank and is not just giving him weapons the military industrial Complex manufactured and the money is staying in the US and going to contractors, manufacturers and their employees while costing the US NO lives and having them fight our ideological enemy of 70 years. Man he owned us. Getting away with it! Egg on our face! 
    Post edited by Tim Simmons on
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