#47 - Musk/trump/Vance

Philly NJ

ComeToTX said:

run by an absolute insane person?  should be interesting.

i'm old enough to remember when michelle obama wanted to make school lunches healthier and bloomberg wanted to limit the size of sodas and republicans lost their shit.

I am old enough to remember that kids won't eat their veggies and putting a salad bar in a cafeteria is not going to do much for kids.  The soda thing was a farce. I think, I don't know, that MAHA is about education, getting rid of harmful chemicals in food, getting rid of the abundance of processed foods. Not about the Government dictating the size of your soda, etc.

OnWis97

I'm cautiously hopeful about MAHA. RFK, Jr. doesn't seem altogether stable at this point.  That said, if he pulls off outlawing pharmaceutical commercials on TV, that would be huge. It's a part of our culture that has turned our medical professionals into drug dealers. Also, if he can really make a difference in how poisonous and highly processed our foods are, that would be outstanding. 

I am skeptical because 1) in both cases, we're looking at greedy companies that have been lining the pockets of elected officials for decades (and not just the Democrats) and we'd need politicians to stop taking their money and 2, as evidenced by:

Philly NJ said:

ComeToTX said:

run by an absolute insane person?  should be interesting.

i'm old enough to remember when michelle obama wanted to make school lunches healthier and bloomberg wanted to limit the size of sodas and republicans lost their shit.

I am old enough to remember that kids won't eat their veggies and putting a salad bar in a cafeteria is not going to do much for kids.  The soda thing was a farce. I think, I don't know, that MAHA is about education, getting rid of harmful chemicals in food, getting rid of the abundance of processed foods. Not about the Government dictating the size of your soda, etc.

his new party is not really fond of regulation. We're not going to "personal responsibility" our way out of how fat, sick, and unhealthy we are. If he really wants to make a difference, he's going to need party cooperation in the form of doing things they don't like to do. Our government wants us fat and sick. RFK, Jr. doesn't.

I'm not totally with him on vaccinations. Yeah, forcing people to take experimental vaccinations produced by historically corrupt companies was terrible but he's more anti-vax than that and him wanting first to encourage cities to get fluoride out of the water isn't a great start.

That all said, he's the only one of the "Dream Team" that I think gives a damn about actual people.

Spiritual_Chaos

I fail to see how his tariff-idea won’t work out better than the EXTREME COMMUNIST IN REALITY VERY RIGHT LEFT in the US is saying?

The USA is the biggest market for many brands. Like Volvo e.g. which most people would agree is a better car than US brands. So let’s take that as an example. 

If they can’t compete by putting all the extra cost on the consumer. They would lower their margins or invest in producing their product in the US (yes I know Volvo already does to an extent). I don’t think many companies can leave out the US market or not get sales by having too high prices. 

cincybearcat

Spiritual_Chaos said:

I fail to see how his tariff-idea won’t work out better than the EXTREME COMMUNIST IN REALITY VERY RIGHT LEFT in the US is saying?

The USA is the biggest market for many brands. Like Volvo e.g. which most people would agree is a better car than US brands. So let’s take that as an example. 

If they can’t compete by putting all the extra cost on the consumer. They would lower their margins or invest in producing their product in the US (yes I know Volvo already does to an extent). I don’t think many companies can leave out the US market or not get sales by having to high prices. 

The United States is the world's second-largest trading nation, behind China. In 2022, the U.S. had:

• Goods exports: $2.1 trillion
• Goods imports: $3.2 trillion

Do you think we will start paying higher tariffs for our exports to other countries if we institute higher tariffs on imports?  And we import 50% more.

Now - I am all for targeted tariffs...or even gradual....but I am concerned about the cost of across the board large numbers.

Get_Right

Spiritual_Chaos said:

I fail to see how his tariff-idea won’t work out better than the EXTREME COMMUNIST IN REALITY VERY RIGHT LEFT in the US is saying?

The USA is the biggest market for many brands. Like Volvo e.g. which most people would agree is a better car than US brands. So let’s take that as an example. 

If they can’t compete by putting all the extra cost on the consumer. They would lower their margins or invest in producing their product in the US (yes I know Volvo already does to an extent). I don’t think many companies can leave out the US market or not get sales by having too high prices. 

His tariff ideas are more about holding China accountable for its practices. There are reasons Biden kept them in place. Made no changes and even expanded their reach through inaction. You talk about the Paris Accord, but what do you think about forced labor? IP theft? Technology hacking and cyber crimes? Government subsidies? The US is not coming after Sweden or its Volvos. But it might come after Ikea for the goods they source in China.

HughFreakingDillon

Canadian here: I too blame Biden for the price of my groceries. And I blame Russia for the price of tea in China. 

DUH. LOGIC. 

Go Beavers

Philly NJ said:

ComeToTX said:

run by an absolute insane person?  should be interesting.

i'm old enough to remember when michelle obama wanted to make school lunches healthier and bloomberg wanted to limit the size of sodas and republicans lost their shit.

I am old enough to remember that kids won't eat their veggies and putting a salad bar in a cafeteria is not going to do much for kids.  The soda thing was a farce. I think, I don't know, that MAHA is about education, getting rid of harmful chemicals in food, getting rid of the abundance of processed foods. Not about the Government dictating the size of your soda, etc.

Did you vote for Trump for more regulation or less regulation? 

HughFreakingDillon

yeah, what about freedom to be a fat coronary pig? isn't that the american dream?

brianlux

smile6680 said:

brianlux said:

How interesting that this election has emboldened several people who  all of the sudden find AMT worthy of their time.  The attack is on!

Well, enjoy your dictator, people.  Sorry about the buyer's remorse you will have to suffer through.

As for me, I'm moving on to greener pastures.  The inconsistency of what is and isn't allowed here is just not worth the headache.  I will miss some of you, others, good riddance. 

PM me if you want to keep in touch elsewhere.

Brian

I don't' follow these forums closely. I have no idea what way you lean politically, but don't quit. Just take some time off from here and don't let the extremist (both sides) on this board get to you. 
 
I do understand the frustration though and it's why I rarely post much over the 20+ years I've been a member.  There are a handful of posters who think they have everything figured out. I get tired of seeing the snarky, condescending, and the I'm right your wrong interactions. 

I find it hard to believe these people are the same way in real life. I feel sad for them if so.  Aholes can be found in all parties and it's reflected strongly on this forum.

Thank you, Smile.  I'll be back.  Just need some time to get my head straight around this craziness, at least as much as possible, and cool off.

I appreciate your words.

battle1

HughFreakingDillon said:

yeah, what about freedom to be a fat coronary pig? isn't that the american dream?

Such a pleasant Canadian.

Philly NJ

Go Beavers said:

Philly NJ said:

ComeToTX said:

run by an absolute insane person?  should be interesting.

i'm old enough to remember when michelle obama wanted to make school lunches healthier and bloomberg wanted to limit the size of sodas and republicans lost their shit.

I am old enough to remember that kids won't eat their veggies and putting a salad bar in a cafeteria is not going to do much for kids.  The soda thing was a farce. I think, I don't know, that MAHA is about education, getting rid of harmful chemicals in food, getting rid of the abundance of processed foods. Not about the Government dictating the size of your soda, etc.

Did you vote for Trump for more regulation or less regulation? 

I voted for Trump for many reasons. Less burdensome and unnecessary regulations is one reason. Common sense.

Spiritual_Chaos

Philly NJ said:

Go Beavers said:

Philly NJ said:

ComeToTX said:

run by an absolute insane person?  should be interesting.

i'm old enough to remember when michelle obama wanted to make school lunches healthier and bloomberg wanted to limit the size of sodas and republicans lost their shit.

I am old enough to remember that kids won't eat their veggies and putting a salad bar in a cafeteria is not going to do much for kids.  The soda thing was a farce. I think, I don't know, that MAHA is about education, getting rid of harmful chemicals in food, getting rid of the abundance of processed foods. Not about the Government dictating the size of your soda, etc.

Did you vote for Trump for more regulation or less regulation? 

I voted for Trump for many reasons. Less burdensome and unnecessary regulations is one reason. Common sense.

Do you believe in climate change?
Do you believe that Kamala and Joe created inflation?

Tim Simmons

i do hope that Elon bends trumps ear enough that there’s a harder push for EVs even if it benefits Tesla. Bide’s balance of pushing EVs and still drilling and refining oil was the best balance for our current energy needs and a pursuit of a cleaner future. I assume that will be one of the few things he’ll continue, but of course he’ll take all the credit for it because he’s a weird insecure dude. 

Tim Simmons

It’s also exposed how fake many of the Christians in this country truly are with no moral throughline from their faith to their every day actions and beliefs. 

I’m hopeful that the country will more or less will be fine (I know I personally will be, but I also live my life knowing it’s not about me, ever), but I am positive there will be a lot of collateral damage, that many people will be ok with, probably because it doesn’t affect them directly. 

Tim Simmons

Philly NJ said:

Go Beavers said:

Philly NJ said:

ComeToTX said:

run by an absolute insane person?  should be interesting.

i'm old enough to remember when michelle obama wanted to make school lunches healthier and bloomberg wanted to limit the size of sodas and republicans lost their shit.

I am old enough to remember that kids won't eat their veggies and putting a salad bar in a cafeteria is not going to do much for kids.  The soda thing was a farce. I think, I don't know, that MAHA is about education, getting rid of harmful chemicals in food, getting rid of the abundance of processed foods. Not about the Government dictating the size of your soda, etc.

Did you vote for Trump for more regulation or less regulation? 

I voted for Trump for many reasons. Less burdensome and unnecessary regulations is one reason. Common sense.

Sometimes regulations protect people from disease, sickness and financial hardships. 

Tim Simmons

I’d also like to know what regulations you find “burdensome” 

like what couldn’t you do because of something Biden enacted. 

benjs

Philly NJ said:

Go Beavers said:

Philly NJ said:

ComeToTX said:

run by an absolute insane person?  should be interesting.

i'm old enough to remember when michelle obama wanted to make school lunches healthier and bloomberg wanted to limit the size of sodas and republicans lost their shit.

I am old enough to remember that kids won't eat their veggies and putting a salad bar in a cafeteria is not going to do much for kids.  The soda thing was a farce. I think, I don't know, that MAHA is about education, getting rid of harmful chemicals in food, getting rid of the abundance of processed foods. Not about the Government dictating the size of your soda, etc.

Did you vote for Trump for more regulation or less regulation? 

I voted for Trump for many reasons. Less burdensome and unnecessary regulations is one reason. Common sense.

You should fly on a Boeing plane.

Tim Simmons

I do think the next 4 years will expose the absolute depths of the galaxy brain of the average American. 

And I know it’s a cliche at this point but we truly are living in Idiocracy. And it’s less an indictment of our political leaders, and more of our society and culture. The leaders we put up are just a reflection of us the voters. 

Gern Blansten

Tim Simmons said:

I do think the next 4 years will expose the absolute depths of the galaxy brain of the average American. 

And I know it’s a cliche at this point but we truly are living in Idiocracy. And it’s less an indictment of our political leaders, and more of our society and culture. The leaders we put up are just a reflection of us the voters. 

Agreed. It's kind of scary how ignorant we've become 

ComeToTX

As long as the WiFi works most Americans are fine ignoring what’s happening outside their bubble. I wish I didn’t actually give a shit about society. Life would be much easier.