#47 - Musk/trump/Vance

Gern Blansten

I can't wait to see trump roll out his cabinet. Really curious who the Chief of Staff will be.

Who will agree to be SecDef? 

Certainly he owes favors to Gabbard. 

OnWis97

The biggest mistake (from his POV; not mine) he made last time was not surrounding himself with enough loyalty. Loyalty to him will be the primary factor. 

A few I have in mind

• RFK Jr will probably be Health and Human Services
• Education probably won't be filled because they'll end it as soon as possible
• Obviously Musk for the new Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE)
• I could see Tulski being the Sec of Defense since she helped swing a few Dems, has military history, and is on board with his love of the true Motherland.

brianlux

How interesting that this election has emboldened several people who  all of the sudden find AMT worthy of their time.  The attack is on!

Well, enjoy your dictator, people.  Sorry about the buyer's remorse you will have to suffer through.

As for me, I'm moving on to greener pastures.  The inconsistency of what is and isn't allowed here is just not worth the headache.  I will miss some of you, others, good riddance. 

PM me if you want to keep in touch elsewhere.

Brian

jimjam1982

The Chinese are falling in line and bowing down to America again.

The terrorists in the Middle East now know terror and want to end the war.

Putin will have to concede and end his war.

DOW and Bitcoin skyrocketed because of the President Elect.

Humanity is in the right track again. The opposite of all that would have happened if KH won. Be thankful.  The future is brighter then ever. America's golden age is upon is. 

cincybearcat

jimjam1982 said:

The Chinese are falling in line and bowing down to America again.

The terrorists in the Middle East now know terror and want to end the war.

Putin will have to concede and end his war.

DOW and Bitcoin skyrocketed because of the President Elect.

Humanity is in the right track again. The opposite of all that would have happened if KH won. Be thankful.  The future is brighter then ever. America's golden age is upon is. 

1) How so?
2) How so?
3) How so?
4) It skyrocketed under Biden, the DOW did. 

These are just empty statements, like all of trump's rallies.

Gern Blansten

jimjam1982 said:

The Chinese are falling in line and bowing down to America again.

The terrorists in the Middle East now know terror and want to end the war.

Putin will have to concede and end his war.

DOW and Bitcoin skyrocketed because of the President Elect.

Humanity is in the right track again. The opposite of all that would have happened if KH won. Be thankful.  The future is brighter then ever. America's golden age is upon is. 

Dow when trump left office...31,190....Dow Nov 5th 42,141

Philly NJ

OnWis97 said:

The biggest mistake (from his POV; not mine) he made last time was not surrounding himself with enough loyalty. Loyalty to him will be the primary factor. 

A few I have in mind

• RFK Jr will probably be Health and Human Services
• Education probably won't be filled because they'll end it as soon as possible
• Obviously Musk for the new Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE)
• I could see Tulski being the Sec of Defense since she helped swing a few Dems, has military history, and is on board with his love of the true Motherland.

Trump's first term was filled with mistakes on personnel. I would lean towards outsiders, not the DC crowd. However, someone like Devan Nunes I would be onboard with.

Gern Blansten

Philly NJ said:

OnWis97 said:

The biggest mistake (from his POV; not mine) he made last time was not surrounding himself with enough loyalty. Loyalty to him will be the primary factor. 

A few I have in mind

• RFK Jr will probably be Health and Human Services
• Education probably won't be filled because they'll end it as soon as possible
• Obviously Musk for the new Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE)
• I could see Tulski being the Sec of Defense since she helped swing a few Dems, has military history, and is on board with his love of the true Motherland.

Trump's first term was filled with mistakes on personnel. I would lean towards outsiders, not the DC crowd. However, someone like Devan Nunes I would be onboard with.

lol...of course you would

wnh1977

Chris Hedges

@ChrisLynnHedges

Kamala Harris and the Democratic Party, along with the establishment wing of the Republican Party, which allied itself with Harris, live in their own non-reality-based belief system. Harris, who was anointed by party elites and never received a single primary vote, proudly trumpeted her endorsement by Dick Cheney, a politician who left office with a 13 percent approval rating. The smug, self-righteous “moral” crusade against Trump stokes the national reality television show that has replaced journalism and politics. It reduces a social, economic and political crisis to the personality of Trump. It refuses to confront and name the corporate forces responsible for our failed democracy. It allows Democratic politicians to blithely ignore their base -  77 percent of Democrats and 62 percent of independents support an arms embargo against Israel. The open collusion with corporate oppression and refusal to heed the desires and needs of the electorate neuters the press and Trump  critics. These corporate puppets stand for nothing, other than their own advancement. The lies they tell to working men and women, especially with programs such as the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), do far more damage than any of the lies uttered by Trump.

Gern Blansten

wnh1977 said:

Chris Hedges

@ChrisLynnHedges

Kamala Harris and the Democratic Party, along with the establishment wing of the Republican Party, which allied itself with Harris, live in their own non-reality-based belief system. Harris, who was anointed by party elites and never received a single primary vote, proudly trumpeted her endorsement by Dick Cheney, a politician who left office with a 13 percent approval rating. The smug, self-righteous “moral” crusade against Trump stokes the national reality television show that has replaced journalism and politics. It reduces a social, economic and political crisis to the personality of Trump. It refuses to confront and name the corporate forces responsible for our failed democracy. It allows Democratic politicians to blithely ignore their base -  77 percent of Democrats and 62 percent of independents support an arms embargo against Israel. The open collusion with corporate oppression and refusal to heed the desires and needs of the electorate neuters the press and Trump  critics. These corporate puppets stand for nothing, other than their own advancement. The lies they tell to working men and women, especially with programs such as the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), do far more damage than any of the lies uttered by Trump.

lol....great argument since trump is literally a reality tv show slug

wnh1977

Gern Blansten said:

wnh1977 said:

Chris Hedges

@ChrisLynnHedges

Kamala Harris and the Democratic Party, along with the establishment wing of the Republican Party, which allied itself with Harris, live in their own non-reality-based belief system. Harris, who was anointed by party elites and never received a single primary vote, proudly trumpeted her endorsement by Dick Cheney, a politician who left office with a 13 percent approval rating. The smug, self-righteous “moral” crusade against Trump stokes the national reality television show that has replaced journalism and politics. It reduces a social, economic and political crisis to the personality of Trump. It refuses to confront and name the corporate forces responsible for our failed democracy. It allows Democratic politicians to blithely ignore their base -  77 percent of Democrats and 62 percent of independents support an arms embargo against Israel. The open collusion with corporate oppression and refusal to heed the desires and needs of the electorate neuters the press and Trump  critics. These corporate puppets stand for nothing, other than their own advancement. The lies they tell to working men and women, especially with programs such as the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), do far more damage than any of the lies uttered by Trump.

lol....great argument since trump is literally a reality tv show slug

"But what about Trump?" "But Trump is bad" "At least she's not Trump"  I don't think that platform worked this time.  I think Hedges is a really smart journalist who is critical of both sides, but your reply proves his point.  The Democrats have completely lost their way... but what about Trump?!

Gern Blansten

wnh1977 said:

Gern Blansten said:

wnh1977 said:

Chris Hedges

@ChrisLynnHedges

Kamala Harris and the Democratic Party, along with the establishment wing of the Republican Party, which allied itself with Harris, live in their own non-reality-based belief system. Harris, who was anointed by party elites and never received a single primary vote, proudly trumpeted her endorsement by Dick Cheney, a politician who left office with a 13 percent approval rating. The smug, self-righteous “moral” crusade against Trump stokes the national reality television show that has replaced journalism and politics. It reduces a social, economic and political crisis to the personality of Trump. It refuses to confront and name the corporate forces responsible for our failed democracy. It allows Democratic politicians to blithely ignore their base -  77 percent of Democrats and 62 percent of independents support an arms embargo against Israel. The open collusion with corporate oppression and refusal to heed the desires and needs of the electorate neuters the press and Trump  critics. These corporate puppets stand for nothing, other than their own advancement. The lies they tell to working men and women, especially with programs such as the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), do far more damage than any of the lies uttered by Trump.

lol....great argument since trump is literally a reality tv show slug

"But what about Trump?" "But Trump is bad" "At least she's not Trump"  I don't think that platform worked this time.  I think Hedges is a really smart journalist who is critical of both sides, but your reply proves his point.  The Democrats have completely lost their way... but what about Trump?!

huh? I'm pointing out the idiocy of him saying that politics has been replaced by "the national reality show" when trump was a REALITY SHOW HOST.

But yeah...you all will be using the what about trump crap for the next four years

cincybearcat

wnh1977 said:

Gern Blansten said:

wnh1977 said:

Chris Hedges

@ChrisLynnHedges

Kamala Harris and the Democratic Party, along with the establishment wing of the Republican Party, which allied itself with Harris, live in their own non-reality-based belief system. Harris, who was anointed by party elites and never received a single primary vote, proudly trumpeted her endorsement by Dick Cheney, a politician who left office with a 13 percent approval rating. The smug, self-righteous “moral” crusade against Trump stokes the national reality television show that has replaced journalism and politics. It reduces a social, economic and political crisis to the personality of Trump. It refuses to confront and name the corporate forces responsible for our failed democracy. It allows Democratic politicians to blithely ignore their base -  77 percent of Democrats and 62 percent of independents support an arms embargo against Israel. The open collusion with corporate oppression and refusal to heed the desires and needs of the electorate neuters the press and Trump  critics. These corporate puppets stand for nothing, other than their own advancement. The lies they tell to working men and women, especially with programs such as the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), do far more damage than any of the lies uttered by Trump.

lol....great argument since trump is literally a reality tv show slug

"But what about Trump?" "But Trump is bad" "At least she's not Trump"  I don't think that platform worked this time.  I think Hedges is a really smart journalist who is critical of both sides, but your reply proves his point.  The Democrats have completely lost their way... but what about Trump?!

It should have if people weren't so willing to compromise on basic morals.  Christians that vote for trump are fake Christians. Don't talk to me about abortion, they voted for a piece of shit human being that is the antithesis of everything they say they believe and care about.  And any women or father of a daughter that voted for trump lack morals.  

Poncier

jimjam1982 said:

The Chinese are falling in line and bowing down to America again.

The terrorists in the Middle East now know terror and want to end the war.

Putin will have to concede and end his war.

DOW and Bitcoin skyrocketed because of the President Elect.

Humanity is in the right track again. The opposite of all that would have happened if KH won. Be thankful.  The future is brighter then ever. America's golden age is upon is. 

You're here all week.
Try the veal.
Don't forget to tip your waitresses.

wnh1977

Gern Blansten said:

wnh1977 said:

Gern Blansten said:

wnh1977 said:

Chris Hedges

@ChrisLynnHedges

Kamala Harris and the Democratic Party, along with the establishment wing of the Republican Party, which allied itself with Harris, live in their own non-reality-based belief system. Harris, who was anointed by party elites and never received a single primary vote, proudly trumpeted her endorsement by Dick Cheney, a politician who left office with a 13 percent approval rating. The smug, self-righteous “moral” crusade against Trump stokes the national reality television show that has replaced journalism and politics. It reduces a social, economic and political crisis to the personality of Trump. It refuses to confront and name the corporate forces responsible for our failed democracy. It allows Democratic politicians to blithely ignore their base -  77 percent of Democrats and 62 percent of independents support an arms embargo against Israel. The open collusion with corporate oppression and refusal to heed the desires and needs of the electorate neuters the press and Trump  critics. These corporate puppets stand for nothing, other than their own advancement. The lies they tell to working men and women, especially with programs such as the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), do far more damage than any of the lies uttered by Trump.

lol....great argument since trump is literally a reality tv show slug

"But what about Trump?" "But Trump is bad" "At least she's not Trump"  I don't think that platform worked this time.  I think Hedges is a really smart journalist who is critical of both sides, but your reply proves his point.  The Democrats have completely lost their way... but what about Trump?!

huh? I'm pointing out the idiocy of him saying that politics has been replaced by "the national reality show" when trump was a REALITY SHOW HOST.

But yeah...you all will be using the what about trump crap for the next four years

I'm not seeing anywhere in his statement that he supports Trump.  Here's yet another reply where you aren't defending the Democrats, but you are still focused on Trump.  That appears to be the entire point of his message here.  Obviously the "what about Trump?" message wasn't enough to win this election.  Enough voters defected because they didn't like what the party has become.  There are plenty of videos out there by the likes of RFK Jr. and Tulsi describing what they see happening in the Democratic Party, and the Democrats dismissed them, leaving them with no choice but to cut ties.  Well, enough voters feel the way RFK Jr. and Tulsi do.  And it lost them the election.

By the way, I've never voted Republican for President.  I voted Democrat through 2020, even though it was with fading passion with Hillary in '16 and especially with Joe in '20.  I totally think the DNC wanted Joe as their puppet in '20 and set it up for him to somehow come out as their candidate.  They sure as hell didn't want Bernie.  So this is who you're quarreling with on here.  A Democratic lifer who had finally had enough.  And so many people are seeing that this is not the Democratic party... and the "whatabout" shit doesn't do a damn thing.  Except lose you an election.

wnh1977

cincybearcat said:

wnh1977 said:

Gern Blansten said:

wnh1977 said:

Chris Hedges

@ChrisLynnHedges

Kamala Harris and the Democratic Party, along with the establishment wing of the Republican Party, which allied itself with Harris, live in their own non-reality-based belief system. Harris, who was anointed by party elites and never received a single primary vote, proudly trumpeted her endorsement by Dick Cheney, a politician who left office with a 13 percent approval rating. The smug, self-righteous “moral” crusade against Trump stokes the national reality television show that has replaced journalism and politics. It reduces a social, economic and political crisis to the personality of Trump. It refuses to confront and name the corporate forces responsible for our failed democracy. It allows Democratic politicians to blithely ignore their base -  77 percent of Democrats and 62 percent of independents support an arms embargo against Israel. The open collusion with corporate oppression and refusal to heed the desires and needs of the electorate neuters the press and Trump  critics. These corporate puppets stand for nothing, other than their own advancement. The lies they tell to working men and women, especially with programs such as the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), do far more damage than any of the lies uttered by Trump.

lol....great argument since trump is literally a reality tv show slug

"But what about Trump?" "But Trump is bad" "At least she's not Trump"  I don't think that platform worked this time.  I think Hedges is a really smart journalist who is critical of both sides, but your reply proves his point.  The Democrats have completely lost their way... but what about Trump?!

It should have if people weren't so willing to compromise on basic morals.  Christians that vote for trump are fake Christians. Don't talk to me about abortion, they voted for a piece of shit human being that is the antithesis of everything they say they believe and care about.  And any women or father of a daughter that voted for trump lack morals.  

And there's another "What about Trump?"  You're right.  Chris Hedges is a dumbass.  Maybe this approach will work next time when Trump can't run.  Or maybe it's time the Democrats take a long, hard look in the mirror at what they've become?

Gern Blansten

wnh1977 said:

Gern Blansten said:

wnh1977 said:

Gern Blansten said:

wnh1977 said:

Chris Hedges

@ChrisLynnHedges

Kamala Harris and the Democratic Party, along with the establishment wing of the Republican Party, which allied itself with Harris, live in their own non-reality-based belief system. Harris, who was anointed by party elites and never received a single primary vote, proudly trumpeted her endorsement by Dick Cheney, a politician who left office with a 13 percent approval rating. The smug, self-righteous “moral” crusade against Trump stokes the national reality television show that has replaced journalism and politics. It reduces a social, economic and political crisis to the personality of Trump. It refuses to confront and name the corporate forces responsible for our failed democracy. It allows Democratic politicians to blithely ignore their base -  77 percent of Democrats and 62 percent of independents support an arms embargo against Israel. The open collusion with corporate oppression and refusal to heed the desires and needs of the electorate neuters the press and Trump  critics. These corporate puppets stand for nothing, other than their own advancement. The lies they tell to working men and women, especially with programs such as the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), do far more damage than any of the lies uttered by Trump.

lol....great argument since trump is literally a reality tv show slug

"But what about Trump?" "But Trump is bad" "At least she's not Trump"  I don't think that platform worked this time.  I think Hedges is a really smart journalist who is critical of both sides, but your reply proves his point.  The Democrats have completely lost their way... but what about Trump?!

huh? I'm pointing out the idiocy of him saying that politics has been replaced by "the national reality show" when trump was a REALITY SHOW HOST.

But yeah...you all will be using the what about trump crap for the next four years

I'm not seeing anywhere in his statement that he supports Trump.  Here's yet another reply where you aren't defending the Democrats, but you are still focused on Trump.  That appears to be the entire point of his message here.  Obviously the "what about Trump?" message wasn't enough to win this election.  Enough voters defected because they didn't like what the party has become.  There are plenty of videos out there by the likes of RFK Jr. and Tulsi describing what they see happening in the Democratic Party, and the Democrats dismissed them, leaving them with no choice but to cut ties.  Well, enough voters feel the way RFK Jr. and Tulsi do.  And it lost them the election.

By the way, I've never voted Republican for President.  I voted Democrat through 2020, even though it was with fading passion with Hillary in '16 and especially with Joe in '20.  I totally think the DNC wanted Joe as their puppet in '20 and set it up for him to somehow come out as their candidate.  They sure as hell didn't want Bernie.  So this is who you're quarreling with on here.  A Democratic lifer who had finally had enough.  And so many people are seeing that this is not the Democratic party... and the "whatabout" shit doesn't do a damn thing.  Except lose you an election.

no I agree it doesn't work...it should but it doesn't

I think I've been pretty clear in saying that it's because the electorate is ignorant. I don't know how to fix or approach that. 

This system of ours leaves us at the mercy of naturally occurring economic influences that one party blames on the other.

cincybearcat

wnh1977 said:

cincybearcat said:

wnh1977 said:

Gern Blansten said:

wnh1977 said:

Chris Hedges

@ChrisLynnHedges

Kamala Harris and the Democratic Party, along with the establishment wing of the Republican Party, which allied itself with Harris, live in their own non-reality-based belief system. Harris, who was anointed by party elites and never received a single primary vote, proudly trumpeted her endorsement by Dick Cheney, a politician who left office with a 13 percent approval rating. The smug, self-righteous “moral” crusade against Trump stokes the national reality television show that has replaced journalism and politics. It reduces a social, economic and political crisis to the personality of Trump. It refuses to confront and name the corporate forces responsible for our failed democracy. It allows Democratic politicians to blithely ignore their base -  77 percent of Democrats and 62 percent of independents support an arms embargo against Israel. The open collusion with corporate oppression and refusal to heed the desires and needs of the electorate neuters the press and Trump  critics. These corporate puppets stand for nothing, other than their own advancement. The lies they tell to working men and women, especially with programs such as the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), do far more damage than any of the lies uttered by Trump.

lol....great argument since trump is literally a reality tv show slug

"But what about Trump?" "But Trump is bad" "At least she's not Trump"  I don't think that platform worked this time.  I think Hedges is a really smart journalist who is critical of both sides, but your reply proves his point.  The Democrats have completely lost their way... but what about Trump?!

It should have if people weren't so willing to compromise on basic morals.  Christians that vote for trump are fake Christians. Don't talk to me about abortion, they voted for a piece of shit human being that is the antithesis of everything they say they believe and care about.  And any women or father of a daughter that voted for trump lack morals.  

And there's another "What about Trump?"  You're right.  Chris Hedges is a dumbass.  Maybe this approach will work next time when Trump can't run.  Or maybe it's time the Democrats take a long, hard look in the mirror at what they've become?

Yes the Dems should, as should every voter.  Trump is an awful human being and has ruined what I thought was the best political party.

cincybearcat

wnh1977 said:

Gern Blansten said:

wnh1977 said:

Gern Blansten said:

wnh1977 said:

Chris Hedges

@ChrisLynnHedges

Kamala Harris and the Democratic Party, along with the establishment wing of the Republican Party, which allied itself with Harris, live in their own non-reality-based belief system. Harris, who was anointed by party elites and never received a single primary vote, proudly trumpeted her endorsement by Dick Cheney, a politician who left office with a 13 percent approval rating. The smug, self-righteous “moral” crusade against Trump stokes the national reality television show that has replaced journalism and politics. It reduces a social, economic and political crisis to the personality of Trump. It refuses to confront and name the corporate forces responsible for our failed democracy. It allows Democratic politicians to blithely ignore their base -  77 percent of Democrats and 62 percent of independents support an arms embargo against Israel. The open collusion with corporate oppression and refusal to heed the desires and needs of the electorate neuters the press and Trump  critics. These corporate puppets stand for nothing, other than their own advancement. The lies they tell to working men and women, especially with programs such as the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), do far more damage than any of the lies uttered by Trump.

lol....great argument since trump is literally a reality tv show slug

"But what about Trump?" "But Trump is bad" "At least she's not Trump"  I don't think that platform worked this time.  I think Hedges is a really smart journalist who is critical of both sides, but your reply proves his point.  The Democrats have completely lost their way... but what about Trump?!

huh? I'm pointing out the idiocy of him saying that politics has been replaced by "the national reality show" when trump was a REALITY SHOW HOST.

But yeah...you all will be using the what about trump crap for the next four years

I'm not seeing anywhere in his statement that he supports Trump.  Here's yet another reply where you aren't defending the Democrats, but you are still focused on Trump.  That appears to be the entire point of his message here.  Obviously the "what about Trump?" message wasn't enough to win this election.  Enough voters defected because they didn't like what the party has become.  There are plenty of videos out there by the likes of RFK Jr. and Tulsi describing what they see happening in the Democratic Party, and the Democrats dismissed them, leaving them with no choice but to cut ties.  Well, enough voters feel the way RFK Jr. and Tulsi do.  And it lost them the election.

By the way, I've never voted Republican for President.  I voted Democrat through 2020, even though it was with fading passion with Hillary in '16 and especially with Joe in '20.  I totally think the DNC wanted Joe as their puppet in '20 and set it up for him to somehow come out as their candidate.  They sure as hell didn't want Bernie.  So this is who you're quarreling with on here.  A Democratic lifer who had finally had enough.  And so many people are seeing that this is not the Democratic party... and the "whatabout" shit doesn't do a damn thing.  Except lose you an election.

Our path's are almost 100% opposite.  I did vote for Obama v1...but then back to Romney for his second term.  And now haven't voted for a republican due to trump being the candidate.

wnh1977

Gern Blansten said:

wnh1977 said:

Gern Blansten said:

wnh1977 said:

Gern Blansten said:

wnh1977 said:

Chris Hedges

@ChrisLynnHedges

Kamala Harris and the Democratic Party, along with the establishment wing of the Republican Party, which allied itself with Harris, live in their own non-reality-based belief system. Harris, who was anointed by party elites and never received a single primary vote, proudly trumpeted her endorsement by Dick Cheney, a politician who left office with a 13 percent approval rating. The smug, self-righteous “moral” crusade against Trump stokes the national reality television show that has replaced journalism and politics. It reduces a social, economic and political crisis to the personality of Trump. It refuses to confront and name the corporate forces responsible for our failed democracy. It allows Democratic politicians to blithely ignore their base -  77 percent of Democrats and 62 percent of independents support an arms embargo against Israel. The open collusion with corporate oppression and refusal to heed the desires and needs of the electorate neuters the press and Trump  critics. These corporate puppets stand for nothing, other than their own advancement. The lies they tell to working men and women, especially with programs such as the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), do far more damage than any of the lies uttered by Trump.

lol....great argument since trump is literally a reality tv show slug

"But what about Trump?" "But Trump is bad" "At least she's not Trump"  I don't think that platform worked this time.  I think Hedges is a really smart journalist who is critical of both sides, but your reply proves his point.  The Democrats have completely lost their way... but what about Trump?!

huh? I'm pointing out the idiocy of him saying that politics has been replaced by "the national reality show" when trump was a REALITY SHOW HOST.

But yeah...you all will be using the what about trump crap for the next four years

I'm not seeing anywhere in his statement that he supports Trump.  Here's yet another reply where you aren't defending the Democrats, but you are still focused on Trump.  That appears to be the entire point of his message here.  Obviously the "what about Trump?" message wasn't enough to win this election.  Enough voters defected because they didn't like what the party has become.  There are plenty of videos out there by the likes of RFK Jr. and Tulsi describing what they see happening in the Democratic Party, and the Democrats dismissed them, leaving them with no choice but to cut ties.  Well, enough voters feel the way RFK Jr. and Tulsi do.  And it lost them the election.

By the way, I've never voted Republican for President.  I voted Democrat through 2020, even though it was with fading passion with Hillary in '16 and especially with Joe in '20.  I totally think the DNC wanted Joe as their puppet in '20 and set it up for him to somehow come out as their candidate.  They sure as hell didn't want Bernie.  So this is who you're quarreling with on here.  A Democratic lifer who had finally had enough.  And so many people are seeing that this is not the Democratic party... and the "whatabout" shit doesn't do a damn thing.  Except lose you an election.

no I agree it doesn't work...it should but it doesn't

I think I've been pretty clear in saying that it's because the electorate is ignorant. I don't know how to fix or approach that. 

"73 million people are ignorant.  I know a lot more than them.  Chris Hedges doesn't know what he's talking about." Hubris.  "The electorate are dumb.  We can install a woman who never received a primary vote and just focus on how bad HE is and we'll win the election."

Gern Blansten

wnh1977 said:

Gern Blansten said:

wnh1977 said:

Gern Blansten said:

wnh1977 said:

Gern Blansten said:

wnh1977 said:

Chris Hedges

@ChrisLynnHedges

Kamala Harris and the Democratic Party, along with the establishment wing of the Republican Party, which allied itself with Harris, live in their own non-reality-based belief system. Harris, who was anointed by party elites and never received a single primary vote, proudly trumpeted her endorsement by Dick Cheney, a politician who left office with a 13 percent approval rating. The smug, self-righteous “moral” crusade against Trump stokes the national reality television show that has replaced journalism and politics. It reduces a social, economic and political crisis to the personality of Trump. It refuses to confront and name the corporate forces responsible for our failed democracy. It allows Democratic politicians to blithely ignore their base -  77 percent of Democrats and 62 percent of independents support an arms embargo against Israel. The open collusion with corporate oppression and refusal to heed the desires and needs of the electorate neuters the press and Trump  critics. These corporate puppets stand for nothing, other than their own advancement. The lies they tell to working men and women, especially with programs such as the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), do far more damage than any of the lies uttered by Trump.

lol....great argument since trump is literally a reality tv show slug

"But what about Trump?" "But Trump is bad" "At least she's not Trump"  I don't think that platform worked this time.  I think Hedges is a really smart journalist who is critical of both sides, but your reply proves his point.  The Democrats have completely lost their way... but what about Trump?!

huh? I'm pointing out the idiocy of him saying that politics has been replaced by "the national reality show" when trump was a REALITY SHOW HOST.

But yeah...you all will be using the what about trump crap for the next four years

I'm not seeing anywhere in his statement that he supports Trump.  Here's yet another reply where you aren't defending the Democrats, but you are still focused on Trump.  That appears to be the entire point of his message here.  Obviously the "what about Trump?" message wasn't enough to win this election.  Enough voters defected because they didn't like what the party has become.  There are plenty of videos out there by the likes of RFK Jr. and Tulsi describing what they see happening in the Democratic Party, and the Democrats dismissed them, leaving them with no choice but to cut ties.  Well, enough voters feel the way RFK Jr. and Tulsi do.  And it lost them the election.

By the way, I've never voted Republican for President.  I voted Democrat through 2020, even though it was with fading passion with Hillary in '16 and especially with Joe in '20.  I totally think the DNC wanted Joe as their puppet in '20 and set it up for him to somehow come out as their candidate.  They sure as hell didn't want Bernie.  So this is who you're quarreling with on here.  A Democratic lifer who had finally had enough.  And so many people are seeing that this is not the Democratic party... and the "whatabout" shit doesn't do a damn thing.  Except lose you an election.

no I agree it doesn't work...it should but it doesn't

I think I've been pretty clear in saying that it's because the electorate is ignorant. I don't know how to fix or approach that. 

"73 million people are ignorant.  I know a lot more than them.  Chris Hedges doesn't know what he's talking about." Hubris.  "The electorate are dumb.  We can install a woman who never received a primary vote and just focus on how bad HE is and we'll win the election."

Not all 73 million are ignorant. Some are racist misogynists and some are generally just stupid.

wnh1977

Gern Blansten said:

wnh1977 said:

Gern Blansten said:

wnh1977 said:

Gern Blansten said:

wnh1977 said:

Gern Blansten said:

wnh1977 said:

Chris Hedges

@ChrisLynnHedges

Kamala Harris and the Democratic Party, along with the establishment wing of the Republican Party, which allied itself with Harris, live in their own non-reality-based belief system. Harris, who was anointed by party elites and never received a single primary vote, proudly trumpeted her endorsement by Dick Cheney, a politician who left office with a 13 percent approval rating. The smug, self-righteous “moral” crusade against Trump stokes the national reality television show that has replaced journalism and politics. It reduces a social, economic and political crisis to the personality of Trump. It refuses to confront and name the corporate forces responsible for our failed democracy. It allows Democratic politicians to blithely ignore their base -  77 percent of Democrats and 62 percent of independents support an arms embargo against Israel. The open collusion with corporate oppression and refusal to heed the desires and needs of the electorate neuters the press and Trump  critics. These corporate puppets stand for nothing, other than their own advancement. The lies they tell to working men and women, especially with programs such as the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), do far more damage than any of the lies uttered by Trump.

lol....great argument since trump is literally a reality tv show slug

"But what about Trump?" "But Trump is bad" "At least she's not Trump"  I don't think that platform worked this time.  I think Hedges is a really smart journalist who is critical of both sides, but your reply proves his point.  The Democrats have completely lost their way... but what about Trump?!

huh? I'm pointing out the idiocy of him saying that politics has been replaced by "the national reality show" when trump was a REALITY SHOW HOST.

But yeah...you all will be using the what about trump crap for the next four years

I'm not seeing anywhere in his statement that he supports Trump.  Here's yet another reply where you aren't defending the Democrats, but you are still focused on Trump.  That appears to be the entire point of his message here.  Obviously the "what about Trump?" message wasn't enough to win this election.  Enough voters defected because they didn't like what the party has become.  There are plenty of videos out there by the likes of RFK Jr. and Tulsi describing what they see happening in the Democratic Party, and the Democrats dismissed them, leaving them with no choice but to cut ties.  Well, enough voters feel the way RFK Jr. and Tulsi do.  And it lost them the election.

By the way, I've never voted Republican for President.  I voted Democrat through 2020, even though it was with fading passion with Hillary in '16 and especially with Joe in '20.  I totally think the DNC wanted Joe as their puppet in '20 and set it up for him to somehow come out as their candidate.  They sure as hell didn't want Bernie.  So this is who you're quarreling with on here.  A Democratic lifer who had finally had enough.  And so many people are seeing that this is not the Democratic party... and the "whatabout" shit doesn't do a damn thing.  Except lose you an election.

no I agree it doesn't work...it should but it doesn't

I think I've been pretty clear in saying that it's because the electorate is ignorant. I don't know how to fix or approach that. 

"73 million people are ignorant.  I know a lot more than them.  Chris Hedges doesn't know what he's talking about." Hubris.  "The electorate are dumb.  We can install a woman who never received a primary vote and just focus on how bad HE is and we'll win the election."

Not all 73 million are ignorant. Some are racist misogynists and some are generally just stupid.

I have friends and family that are Trump voters.  I am not.  It's pretty clear they're not that different than me.

GlowGirl

Everyone should feel so humiliated by this. It's an embarrassment.

Philly NJ

GlowGirl said:

Everyone should feel so humiliated by this. It's an embarrassment.

What was he convicted of? Who was the victim(s)?  If you want to know, most common sense Americans don't care, given that is was a bogus trial, bogus judge, bogus charges. So, bottomline, it was bogus. And most Americans don't care about stuff like that.

Gern Blansten

Philly NJ said:

GlowGirl said:

Everyone should feel so humiliated by this. It's an embarrassment.

What was he convicted of? Who was the victim(s)?  If you want to know, most common sense Americans don't care, given that is was a bogus trial, bogus judge, bogus charges. So, bottomline, it was bogus. And most Americans don't care about stuff like that.

lol...so you would think that if it were Biden right? How about Hunter?

Spiritual_Chaos

Philly NJ said:

GlowGirl said:

Everyone should feel so humiliated by this. It's an embarrassment.

What was he convicted of? Who was the victim(s)?  If you want to know, most common sense Americans don't care, given that is was a bogus trial, bogus judge, bogus charges. So, bottomline, it was bogus. And most Americans don't care about stuff like that.

If Trump shot someone on 5th avenue. Would you still vote for him?

smile6680

brianlux said:

How interesting that this election has emboldened several people who  all of the sudden find AMT worthy of their time.  The attack is on!

Well, enjoy your dictator, people.  Sorry about the buyer's remorse you will have to suffer through.

As for me, I'm moving on to greener pastures.  The inconsistency of what is and isn't allowed here is just not worth the headache.  I will miss some of you, others, good riddance. 

PM me if you want to keep in touch elsewhere.

Brian

I don't' follow these forums closely. I have no idea what way you lean politically, but don't quit. Just take some time off from here and don't let the extremist (both sides) on this board get to you. 
 
I do understand the frustration though and it's why I rarely post much over the 20+ years I've been a member.  There are a handful of posters who think they have everything figured out. I get tired of seeing the snarky, condescending, and the I'm right your wrong interactions. 

I find it hard to believe these people are the same way in real life. I feel sad for them if so.  Aholes can be found in all parties and it's reflected strongly on this forum.

Hawk123

Philly NJ said:

GlowGirl said:

Everyone should feel so humiliated by this. It's an embarrassment.

What was he convicted of? Who was the victim(s)?  If you want to know, most common sense Americans don't care, given that is was a bogus trial, bogus judge, bogus charges. So, bottomline, it was bogus. And most Americans don't care about stuff like that.

Really? How about the women that he sexual assaulted? I can only imagine the skeletons in his closet from his time with his best buddy Epstein. But it’s cool, he said he’ll fix inflation so all can be ignored. 

Gern Blansten

Susie Wiles will be COS...not real familiar with her but it's encouraging that it isn't Ted Nugent 

Hawk123

Gern Blansten said:

Susie Wiles will be COS...not real familiar with her but it's encouraging that it isn't Ted Nugent 

I thought that position was earmarked for Kid Rock? 

nicknyr15

Gern Blansten said:

Susie Wiles will be COS...not real familiar with her but it's encouraging that it isn't Ted Nugent 

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