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  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,341
    mickeyrat said:
    Get_Right said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Get_Right said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Get_Right said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Well Trump just threw a number of Executive Orders against the wall on day one. They do not have the power of law, but they set in motion a number of potential tariffs and actions. He is well counseled. Most of his actions in the past have withstood judicial scrutiny. The USTR will be busy this year. You may agree or disagree with his actions, but my objective point of view is that he knows what he is doing. 

    Your point of view is messed up then. You can't EO away a constitutional right.

    Not at all. The EOs set in motion fact finding that results in rulemaking.  Which constitutional right do you speak of? I am still digesting all of the language.
    Er what?  EO's don't lead to legislation.  They never do.  EO's always seem to be the end, not the means to an end.  

    The problem with EO's has always been that it circumvents the balance of power between the Branches.  

    And if you are asking about Constitutional right, well just look at his current attempt to slash what most scholars and historical precedent consider settled and clear law, that of the 14th A and birthright citizenship.  How did he just EO away part of an Amendment?

    EOs do lead to governmental action, perhaps not formal law, but administrative action that has an impact. Ask anyone that imports goods from China. He is going through the fact finding process and is well advised by his lawyers, at least on the trade matters. These EOs lay out his short term agenda. Some those initiatives will result in action, some may not. 14th amendment right to due process has always been the subject much debate. I am not aware of the impact on birthright citizenship but I am still digesting the content of the EOs.  Can you send a link to the content? I keep an open mind and am not a Trump fan, as I know he is a deplorable human being. But I acknowledge that he has hit the ground running and may have a way to accomplish his goals without the pork of congress slowing him down.
    Well of course they lead to gov't action, they are EO's.  But they are operating outside the bounds of the Founder's Intent, and part and parcel of the continuing growth of the executive branch while the Legislative and Judicial abdicate their roles in gov't.  

    Here is the link, and yeah it's easy to "hit the ground running" when you are not encumbered by the Constitution or other barriers to you being the sole decision maker in the country.  

    https://www.axios.com/2025/01/21/trump-birthright-citizenship-14th-amendment

    Right. This is just an agenda, the checks and balances, special interest groups, and the media will decide which initiatives move forward. Do you think it is right that someone illegally enters the US, has a child on US soil, and then the entire family is eligible for all rights conferred on a US citizen? I am not sure where I stand on that in a vacuum. Emigrating from a military state or a war torn country? That makes sense to protect them. But I am not so sure that is the majority. It is a delicate topic, one that I am undecided on.

    You are dealing with an NYC landlord that knows how to work the system and he is well counseled. Like I said, I am not a fan of Trump as a human being, but he knows how to work the system. The founders are 250 years removed from our current state. They never could have imagined our digital age or the judicial expansion of our constitutional amendments. I have said it before, but the prospect of factions in Madison's Federalist paper No. 10 is happening. The government, at almost all levels, is ruled by special interest. Everybody knows somebody that can solve your problem or push your agenda, if you donate enough money. Do not hate the player, hate the game.

    ANY non citizen found within the borders of the US or a protectorate are granted the rights as outlined in the constitution . documented or not. its as simple as due process. citizens have gotten caught up in hamfisted actions by the government.  due process helps sort out those errors.

    If you come here without a visa or you are not a US citizen, then you may not be entitled to be here. Due process operates outside of the US.

    do show me in the founding document where it says this.

    It's not a founding document. That was 250 years ago. It is part of our code of federal regulations. 8 CFR. Promulgated by lawmakers in furtherance of existing federal laws, otherwise known as the USC. Look up unlawful admission. There is a process to detain and deport. And that has nothing to do with the Constitution or due process. Do you think that every person that simply crosses our borders can stay here? They cannot and it has been that way for some time.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 40,478
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    Get_Right said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Get_Right said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Get_Right said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Get_Right said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Well Trump just threw a number of Executive Orders against the wall on day one. They do not have the power of law, but they set in motion a number of potential tariffs and actions. He is well counseled. Most of his actions in the past have withstood judicial scrutiny. The USTR will be busy this year. You may agree or disagree with his actions, but my objective point of view is that he knows what he is doing. 

    Your point of view is messed up then. You can't EO away a constitutional right.

    Not at all. The EOs set in motion fact finding that results in rulemaking.  Which constitutional right do you speak of? I am still digesting all of the language.
    Er what?  EO's don't lead to legislation.  They never do.  EO's always seem to be the end, not the means to an end.  

    The problem with EO's has always been that it circumvents the balance of power between the Branches.  

    And if you are asking about Constitutional right, well just look at his current attempt to slash what most scholars and historical precedent consider settled and clear law, that of the 14th A and birthright citizenship.  How did he just EO away part of an Amendment?

    EOs do lead to governmental action, perhaps not formal law, but administrative action that has an impact. Ask anyone that imports goods from China. He is going through the fact finding process and is well advised by his lawyers, at least on the trade matters. These EOs lay out his short term agenda. Some those initiatives will result in action, some may not. 14th amendment right to due process has always been the subject much debate. I am not aware of the impact on birthright citizenship but I am still digesting the content of the EOs.  Can you send a link to the content? I keep an open mind and am not a Trump fan, as I know he is a deplorable human being. But I acknowledge that he has hit the ground running and may have a way to accomplish his goals without the pork of congress slowing him down.
    Well of course they lead to gov't action, they are EO's.  But they are operating outside the bounds of the Founder's Intent, and part and parcel of the continuing growth of the executive branch while the Legislative and Judicial abdicate their roles in gov't.  

    Here is the link, and yeah it's easy to "hit the ground running" when you are not encumbered by the Constitution or other barriers to you being the sole decision maker in the country.  

    https://www.axios.com/2025/01/21/trump-birthright-citizenship-14th-amendment

    Right. This is just an agenda, the checks and balances, special interest groups, and the media will decide which initiatives move forward. Do you think it is right that someone illegally enters the US, has a child on US soil, and then the entire family is eligible for all rights conferred on a US citizen? I am not sure where I stand on that in a vacuum. Emigrating from a military state or a war torn country? That makes sense to protect them. But I am not so sure that is the majority. It is a delicate topic, one that I am undecided on.

    You are dealing with an NYC landlord that knows how to work the system and he is well counseled. Like I said, I am not a fan of Trump as a human being, but he knows how to work the system. The founders are 250 years removed from our current state. They never could have imagined our digital age or the judicial expansion of our constitutional amendments. I have said it before, but the prospect of factions in Madison's Federalist paper No. 10 is happening. The government, at almost all levels, is ruled by special interest. Everybody knows somebody that can solve your problem or push your agenda, if you donate enough money. Do not hate the player, hate the game.

    ANY non citizen found within the borders of the US or a protectorate are granted the rights as outlined in the constitution . documented or not. its as simple as due process. citizens have gotten caught up in hamfisted actions by the government.  due process helps sort out those errors.

    If you come here without a visa or you are not a US citizen, then you may not be entitled to be here. Due process operates outside of the US.

    do show me in the founding document where it says this.

    It's not a founding document. That was 250 years ago. It is part of our code of federal regulations. 8 CFR. Promulgated by lawmakers in furtherance of existing federal laws, otherwise known as the USC. Look up unlawful admission. There is a process to detain and deport. And that has nothing to do with the Constitution or due process. Do you think that every person that simply crosses our borders can stay here? They cannot and it has been that way for some time.

    and the code was derived based on the constitution. its says one thing in one area. and says something else in another.

    scotus says noncitizens have legal protections.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,026
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    Get_Right said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Get_Right said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Well Trump just threw a number of Executive Orders against the wall on day one. They do not have the power of law, but they set in motion a number of potential tariffs and actions. He is well counseled. Most of his actions in the past have withstood judicial scrutiny. The USTR will be busy this year. You may agree or disagree with his actions, but my objective point of view is that he knows what he is doing. 

    Your point of view is messed up then. You can't EO away a constitutional right.

    Not at all. The EOs set in motion fact finding that results in rulemaking.  Which constitutional right do you speak of? I am still digesting all of the language.
    Er what?  EO's don't lead to legislation.  They never do.  EO's always seem to be the end, not the means to an end.  

    The problem with EO's has always been that it circumvents the balance of power between the Branches.  

    And if you are asking about Constitutional right, well just look at his current attempt to slash what most scholars and historical precedent consider settled and clear law, that of the 14th A and birthright citizenship.  How did he just EO away part of an Amendment?

    EOs do lead to governmental action, perhaps not formal law, but administrative action that has an impact. Ask anyone that imports goods from China. He is going through the fact finding process and is well advised by his lawyers, at least on the trade matters. These EOs lay out his short term agenda. Some those initiatives will result in action, some may not. 14th amendment right to due process has always been the subject much debate. I am not aware of the impact on birthright citizenship but I am still digesting the content of the EOs.  Can you send a link to the content? I keep an open mind and am not a Trump fan, as I know he is a deplorable human being. But I acknowledge that he has hit the ground running and may have a way to accomplish his goals without the pork of congress slowing him down.
    Well of course they lead to gov't action, they are EO's.  But they are operating outside the bounds of the Founder's Intent, and part and parcel of the continuing growth of the executive branch while the Legislative and Judicial abdicate their roles in gov't.  

    Here is the link, and yeah it's easy to "hit the ground running" when you are not encumbered by the Constitution or other barriers to you being the sole decision maker in the country.  

    https://www.axios.com/2025/01/21/trump-birthright-citizenship-14th-amendment

    Right. This is just an agenda, the checks and balances, special interest groups, and the media will decide which initiatives move forward. Do you think it is right that someone illegally enters the US, has a child on US soil, and then the entire family is eligible for all rights conferred on a US citizen? I am not sure where I stand on that in a vacuum. Emigrating from a military state or a war torn country? That makes sense to protect them. But I am not so sure that is the majority. It is a delicate topic, one that I am undecided on.

    You are dealing with an NYC landlord that knows how to work the system and he is well counseled. Like I said, I am not a fan of Trump as a human being, but he knows how to work the system. The founders are 250 years removed from our current state. They never could have imagined our digital age or the judicial expansion of our constitutional amendments. I have said it before, but the prospect of factions in Madison's Federalist paper No. 10 is happening. The government, at almost all levels, is ruled by special interest. Everybody knows somebody that can solve your problem or push your agenda, if you donate enough money. Do not hate the player, hate the game.
    Right vs wrong isn't the issue.  It's a question of Constitutionality, the law and whether one person gets to supersede a process that takes 2/3 of Congress and 3/4 of states to change.  Or one guy named Trump, evidently.  Didn't you say you were an attorney?  Surely an attorney understands that agreement with the issue has nothing to do with the law.  

    And you say he knows how to "work the system"?  I don't even know what that means.  I mean Obama or Biden could have written an EO banning guns, running afoul of the 2A.  They didn't.  It's not because they didn't know about EOs, it's because they respected the system. You call that working the system, others might call it dictatorial behavior.  

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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 40,478
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  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,341
    mickeyrat said:
    Get_Right said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Get_Right said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Get_Right said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Get_Right said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Well Trump just threw a number of Executive Orders against the wall on day one. They do not have the power of law, but they set in motion a number of potential tariffs and actions. He is well counseled. Most of his actions in the past have withstood judicial scrutiny. The USTR will be busy this year. You may agree or disagree with his actions, but my objective point of view is that he knows what he is doing. 

    Your point of view is messed up then. You can't EO away a constitutional right.

    Not at all. The EOs set in motion fact finding that results in rulemaking.  Which constitutional right do you speak of? I am still digesting all of the language.
    Er what?  EO's don't lead to legislation.  They never do.  EO's always seem to be the end, not the means to an end.  

    The problem with EO's has always been that it circumvents the balance of power between the Branches.  

    And if you are asking about Constitutional right, well just look at his current attempt to slash what most scholars and historical precedent consider settled and clear law, that of the 14th A and birthright citizenship.  How did he just EO away part of an Amendment?

    EOs do lead to governmental action, perhaps not formal law, but administrative action that has an impact. Ask anyone that imports goods from China. He is going through the fact finding process and is well advised by his lawyers, at least on the trade matters. These EOs lay out his short term agenda. Some those initiatives will result in action, some may not. 14th amendment right to due process has always been the subject much debate. I am not aware of the impact on birthright citizenship but I am still digesting the content of the EOs.  Can you send a link to the content? I keep an open mind and am not a Trump fan, as I know he is a deplorable human being. But I acknowledge that he has hit the ground running and may have a way to accomplish his goals without the pork of congress slowing him down.
    Well of course they lead to gov't action, they are EO's.  But they are operating outside the bounds of the Founder's Intent, and part and parcel of the continuing growth of the executive branch while the Legislative and Judicial abdicate their roles in gov't.  

    Here is the link, and yeah it's easy to "hit the ground running" when you are not encumbered by the Constitution or other barriers to you being the sole decision maker in the country.  

    https://www.axios.com/2025/01/21/trump-birthright-citizenship-14th-amendment

    Right. This is just an agenda, the checks and balances, special interest groups, and the media will decide which initiatives move forward. Do you think it is right that someone illegally enters the US, has a child on US soil, and then the entire family is eligible for all rights conferred on a US citizen? I am not sure where I stand on that in a vacuum. Emigrating from a military state or a war torn country? That makes sense to protect them. But I am not so sure that is the majority. It is a delicate topic, one that I am undecided on.

    You are dealing with an NYC landlord that knows how to work the system and he is well counseled. Like I said, I am not a fan of Trump as a human being, but he knows how to work the system. The founders are 250 years removed from our current state. They never could have imagined our digital age or the judicial expansion of our constitutional amendments. I have said it before, but the prospect of factions in Madison's Federalist paper No. 10 is happening. The government, at almost all levels, is ruled by special interest. Everybody knows somebody that can solve your problem or push your agenda, if you donate enough money. Do not hate the player, hate the game.

    ANY non citizen found within the borders of the US or a protectorate are granted the rights as outlined in the constitution . documented or not. its as simple as due process. citizens have gotten caught up in hamfisted actions by the government.  due process helps sort out those errors.

    If you come here without a visa or you are not a US citizen, then you may not be entitled to be here. Due process operates outside of the US.

    do show me in the founding document where it says this.

    It's not a founding document. That was 250 years ago. It is part of our code of federal regulations. 8 CFR. Promulgated by lawmakers in furtherance of existing federal laws, otherwise known as the USC. Look up unlawful admission. There is a process to detain and deport. And that has nothing to do with the Constitution or due process. Do you think that every person that simply crosses our borders can stay here? They cannot and it has been that way for some time.

    and the code was derived based on the constitution.

    Actually not 100% true. The USC comes first, under which governmental agencies are granted power and discretion to prepare an enforce rules to achieve stated objectives. The agencies are granted a huge amount of discretion to complete their objectives. The CFR are promulgated under notice and comment rulemaking requirements, and published in the Federal Register thereby putting both citizens and politicians on notice. I read it every day.  And both the CFR and the USC are subject to judicial scrutiny. To allege a constitutional violation thereof is a huge jump from day to day administrative process. You have at least two to three layers of judicial scrutiny before you even get a chance to have a constitutional argument heard. Overall point being is that the government can promulgate a regulation based on budgetary, managerial, or administrative burden that may not correlate to a document created 250 years ago. 
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,468
    Anyone still doubting whether Project 2025 is for realz?

    Don't ask me.  :shrug:
    But I'm only saying that because we watched "Wag the Dog" very recently.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,289
    Clearly the ratings for Biden were rigged. Donald Trump should do something about that. 


    https://deadline.com/2025/01/trump-inauguration-ratings-1236262953/

    Donald Trump’s Inauguration TV Viewership Falls From 2021 And 2017; Fox News Wallops Competition

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    UPDATED with final numbers: Donald Trump drew fewer viewers to his second inauguration than to his first, as well as to Joe Biden’s four years ago.

    According to Nielsen on Tuesday, the inauguration drew 24.59 million viewers, compared to 33.76 million for Biden’s 2021 inauguration and 30.64 million for Trump’s first in 2021. The figures are across 15 networks and are an average from the 10:30 a.m.-7 p.m. ET time frame.

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    Viewership peaked in the 12:15 quarter hour, as Trump was giving his inaugural address.

    According to Nielsen, 17.4 million viewers were aged 55 and above, 4.67 million were 35-54 and 1.43 million were 18-34.

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    During the Trump swearing-in ceremony and inaugural address, about 27.12 million viewers tuned in during the noon-12:45 p.m. ET time frame across the three major cable news networks and the three major broadcast networks, according to early data.

    Nearly 40 million watched Biden’s swearing in and inaugural address four years ago on those six networks. In 2017, about 38.3 million watched Trump’s first inauguration.

    Fox News walloped the competition for Monday’s coverage, drawing 10.67 million, followed by ABC News with 4.85 million, NBC News with 4.58 million, CBS News with 4.35 million, CNN with 1.80 million and MSNBC with 880,000. In the 25-54 demo, Fox News drew 2.09 million, followed by NBC News with 1.22 million, ABC News with 1.12 million, CBS News with 966,000, CNN with 563,000 and MSNBC with 106,000.

    The rankings were a predictable reflection of partisanship: Four years ago, when Biden was entering office, Fox News drew the smallest of the major networks, albeit that was 2.74 million. CNN drew the largest viewership — almost 10 million, while MSNBC garnered 6.53 million.

    The figures are from Nielsen via Fox News.

    Second presidential inaugurations traditionally draw far fewer viewers than the first. Barack Obama’s first inaugural in 2009 drew an average of about 37.8 million throughout the day; his second in 2013 captured about 20.6 million.

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    26COMMENTS

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    President Donald Trump is sworn in on Monday January 20 2025
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    UPDATED with final numbers: Donald Trump drew fewer viewers to his second inauguration than to his first, as well as to Joe Biden’s four years ago.

    According to Nielsen on Tuesday, the inauguration drew 24.59 million viewers, compared to 33.76 million for Biden’s 2021 inauguration and 30.64 million for Trump’s first in 2021. The figures are across 15 networks and are an average from the 10:30 a.m.-7 p.m. ET time frame.

    Related Stories


    Viewership peaked in the 12:15 quarter hour, as Trump was giving his inaugural address.

    According to Nielsen, 17.4 million viewers were aged 55 and above, 4.67 million were 35-54 and 1.43 million were 18-34.

    Watch on Deadline

    The video player is currently playing an ad.

    During the Trump swearing-in ceremony and inaugural address, about 27.12 million viewers tuned in during the noon-12:45 p.m. ET time frame across the three major cable news networks and the three major broadcast networks, according to early data.

    Nearly 40 million watched Biden’s swearing in and inaugural address four years ago on those six networks. In 2017, about 38.3 million watched Trump’s first inauguration.

    Fox News walloped the competition for Monday’s coverage, drawing 10.67 million, followed by ABC News with 4.85 million, NBC News with 4.58 million, CBS News with 4.35 million, CNN with 1.80 million and MSNBC with 880,000. In the 25-54 demo, Fox News drew 2.09 million, followed by NBC News with 1.22 million, ABC News with 1.12 million, CBS News with 966,000, CNN with 563,000 and MSNBC with 106,000.

    The rankings were a predictable reflection of partisanship: Four years ago, when Biden was entering office, Fox News drew the smallest of the major networks, albeit that was 2.74 million. CNN drew the largest viewership — almost 10 million, while MSNBC garnered 6.53 million.

    The figures are from Nielsen via Fox News.

    Second presidential inaugurations traditionally draw far fewer viewers than the first. Barack Obama’s first inaugural in 2009 drew an average of about 37.8 million throughout the day; his second in 2013 captured about 20.6 million.


    And yet supposedly the MAGA fans are elated.  But which ones?  The hard core maybe, but these figures speak for themselves.   Thanks for posting it.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,927
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    I can't wait to see the Sunday shows this weekend and watch the GOP get grilled

    Q: You previously stated that you opposed the pardons for those involved in assaulting and vandalizing the capitol....what do you say now that trump has pardoned them?

    A: donald trump won the election in a massive landslide, he has a mandate to secure our border, make america great, and strengthen our miltary

    Q: yeah but please answer my question....what do you think now that trump has pardoned these criminals?

    A: what we should really be talking about is why Biden let criminals across our border

    Q: thank you for coming

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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,278
    I can't wait to see the Sunday shows this weekend and watch the GOP get grilled

    Q: You previously stated that you opposed the pardons for those involved in assaulting and vandalizing the capitol....what do you say now that trump has pardoned them?

    A: donald trump won the election in a massive landslide, he has a mandate to secure our border, make america great, and strengthen our miltary

    Q: yeah but please answer my question....what do you think now that trump has pardoned these criminals?

    A: what we should really be talking about is why Biden let criminals across our border

    Q: thank you for coming

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    Right on point! I won’t watch any of it but we know how they will spin it! They’ve learned from the master weaver 
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    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cn0y51z7wedt
    Purging is right on track! Do these folks get to collect their pensions or collect unemployment? 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,026
    Employment law would generally say "yes" unless it was for cause.  
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,581
    Such a gracious COOTWH. Is this what he does after having sex with Melmeania?

    President Donald Trump took to Truth Social early Wednesday to slam the Right Rev. Mariann Budde, the bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington, for her plea during Tuesday’s inaugural prayer service that he “have mercy” on communities in fear.

    “She brought her church into the World of politics in a very ungracious way. She was nasty in tone, and not compelling or smart,” wrote Trump, who also called her a “Radical Left hard line Trump hater.”


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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 40,478
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    mrussel1 said:
    Employment law would generally say "yes" unless it was for cause.  

    20 yrs service nets you 50% of the average of your top 3 yrs pay. 30 yrs I believe gets you to 75% with 40 being 100%. would need to confirm this.

    you must reach 20 yrs service to collect. without looking at her wiki page would assume minimum 30 yrs service. she wont be denied pension. its the huge slap in the face for what would have to be a distinguished career to reach that rank alone and position. 

    being relieved of command is one thing, unless her commission is revoked she is still on active duty. Commissions are acts of the Senate I believe.
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    Oh look, it’s the average GOP voter, voting against their own self interest and common sense. AGAIN. 

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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 40,478
    Such a gracious COOTWH. Is this what he does after having sex with Melmeania?

    President Donald Trump took to Truth Social early Wednesday to slam the Right Rev. Mariann Budde, the bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington, for her plea during Tuesday’s inaugural prayer service that he “have mercy” on communities in fear.

    “She brought her church into the World of politics in a very ungracious way. She was nasty in tone, and not compelling or smart,” wrote Trump, who also called her a “Radical Left hard line Trump hater.”



    but its ok for evangelical pastors to do the same.
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    Why did Trump declare a national energy emergency? Simply put, Trump’s declaration aims to accelerate fossil fuel projects on public lands and roll back environmental protections. But was this declaration truly necessary? Under President Biden in 2024, America reached its highest energy production levels in history, marking seven years of dominance in global fossil fuel markets.

    The declaration is less about necessity and more about politics, pointing to Trump’s “remarkably blunt and transactional pitch” to fossil fuel CEOs for campaign cash. The move grants Trump powers to bypass community and climate protections and fast-track fossil fuel project approvals.

    A national emergency allows the government to take actions beyond its usual authority. The 1976 National Emergencies Act established legal guidelines for such declarations by the President of the United States.

    Let’s check the facts:
    - Record Production: In 2024, the U.S. reached its highest energy production levels, including oil, natural gas, and renewables.
    - Energy Independence: Since 2019, the U.S. has produced more energy than it consumes, becoming a net exporter.
    - Global Dominance: The U.S. has led global fossil fuel markets for seven years, exporting large volumes to Europe and Asia.
    - Stable Supplies: Energy supplies remain steady with no major disruptions.
    - No Price Spikes: Gas and electricity prices are stable, reflecting normal market trends.
    - Renewable Growth: Renewable energy capacity is growing, reducing reliance on fossil fuels.

    In short: Leave our public lands alone!
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,507
    mrussel1 said:
    Employment law would generally say "yes" unless it was for cause.  
    I would guess so, but I don't know why that is even a thing. Even for bad cops and teachers who do something illegal, I don;t see how their pension can be tied to it. I know it can be, but I don't see how it legally is.
    Your pension isn't a reward for years of good service. Most places take money out of your paycheck and invest it for you. It's really no different than taking away someone's private 401k because they got arrested. Or removing someone's SS benefits because they got fired. They pay into it, it's their money. 
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    I saw on facebook someone posted a Caitlyn Jenner tweet congratulating Trump, and the post below it says "he just ordered the government to call you Bruce". lol
    Didn't he only say the government will now only officially recognize 2 genders? He didn't do or say anything about prohibiting sex changes or even name changes, or anything like that. But you will only have 2 choices on official government documents like a passport. I don't think Caitlyn's lifestyle will be affected. 
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,927
    mace1229 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Employment law would generally say "yes" unless it was for cause.  
    I would guess so, but I don't know why that is even a thing. Even for bad cops and teachers who do something illegal, I don;t see how their pension can be tied to it. I know it can be, but I don't see how it legally is.
    Your pension isn't a reward for years of good service. Most places take money out of your paycheck and invest it for you. It's really no different than taking away someone's private 401k because they got arrested. Or removing someone's SS benefits because they got fired. They pay into it, it's their money. 
    LOL...trump fired Andrew McCabe just days (or a day) before he would have qualified for his pension. He had to sue to get it back.

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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,564
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    yes, mace, the tweet is not intended to be taken 100% seriously. it's part truth, part humour. But the point remains: trans folks won't be able to identify as they are on government docs. Imagine the government telling you, you effectively no longer exist as you are. Some cis folks may think that's not a big deal, but just imagine for a second what a "small" thing like that means to them. 
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,507
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    yes, mace, the tweet is not intended to be taken 100% seriously. it's part truth, part humour. But the point remains: trans folks won't be able to identify as they are on government docs. Imagine the government telling you, you effectively no longer exist as you are. Some cis folks may think that's not a big deal, but just imagine for a second what a "small" thing like that means to them. 
    I know it's not 100% literal, and assume you knew that as well. But I've seen a lot of uproar about it. And a lot of that implies that people think it's a lot bigger of a sweeping change than it actually is. Having 2 options on government documents and ID's seems reasonable to me. Doesn't it most of the time list it as "sex" and not "gender" anyway on a passport? 
    And my other point, I didn't see any restriction about which sex to chose, was there? It just eliminated the "X" option. A transgender can still be transgender from what I understand. You just have to pick one.
    Go live your life how you want, but your passport that is recognized internationally should be one thing.
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    Donald Trump Controls a Publicly Traded Company. Now He Will Pick Its Regulator.

    There have been internal concerns that Trump Media could be misleading investors, a source said. But with its largest shareholder about to be president, experts doubt the SEC is up to the job of investigating Truth Social’s parent company.

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    Last month a major shareholder of a publicly traded company took to social media to complain that people — perhaps short sellers — were spreading lies that could hurt his firm’s stock price.

    “There are fake, untrue, and probably illegal rumors,” the post read. “I hereby request that the people who have set off these fake rumors or statements, and who may have done so in the past, be immediately investigated by the appropriate authorities.”

    The Securities and Exchange Commission doesn’t typically take its marching orders from shareholders on social media. But in this case, the poster was Donald Trump, who’s just weeks away from being inaugurated and gaining the power to appoint the head of the SEC.

    When Trump takes office in January, a president will for the first time be the majority owner of a publicly traded company, Trump Media, which runs Truth Social. Former SEC officials are concerned about how Trump could try to use the agency to go after the foes of his company, which accounts for more than half his fortune. They also worry that the agency isn’t up for the job of taking on Trump Media should it run afoul of securities laws.

    Cases involving public companies with aggressive lawyers are difficult “even if you don’t have conflicts of interest and concerns about pissing someone important off,” a current employee in the SEC’s enforcement division said. “I don’t think anyone would explicitly say, ‘Don’t do it,’ but they’d just be like, ‘I could do another case.’”


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    edited 4:10PM
    mace1229 said:
    yes, mace, the tweet is not intended to be taken 100% seriously. it's part truth, part humour. But the point remains: trans folks won't be able to identify as they are on government docs. Imagine the government telling you, you effectively no longer exist as you are. Some cis folks may think that's not a big deal, but just imagine for a second what a "small" thing like that means to them. 
     But I've seen a lot of uproar about it. 
    I think the general worry is, that its not stopping at just this. Handwringing for sure, but also, they've explicitly said what else they like to do, so the handwringing seems to have merit.


    But what harm was the "x" actually doing? If its about people living their life how they want, how does that designation fall outside of that?

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    needs confirmed as no source was cited.

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