** KAMALA HARRIS FOR PRESIDENT -PART DEUX **

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  • The Juggler
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    Hopefully her supporters do not invade the Capitol afterwards. 

    https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/harris-rally-expected-to-draw-in-over-50000-attendees-on-tuesday-in-dc/3752938/

    Harris rally expected to draw more than 50K to downtown DC

    Here's what to know about Vice President Kamala Harris' speech on the Ellipse, including info on major road closures

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    Vice President Kamala Harris will make her closing argument on the Ellipse lawn Tuesday evening. There will be several road closures along with other events in downtown D.C., including the High Heel Race and the Capitals-Rangers game. News4’s Juliana Valencia shows what security measures have been put in place and when closures go into effect. 

    Vice President Kamala Harris will deliver her closing argument to voters Tuesday evening just a short walk from the White House.

    The D.C. rally on the Ellipse may attract more than 52,000 people, D.C. Chief of Police Pamela Smith said Tuesday morning that organizers told her.

    Overflow crowds will be directed to the northeast grounds of the Washington Monument.

    The Ellipse is where former President Donald Trump held his Stop the Steal rally on Jan. 6, 2021, shortly before members of the audience stormed the Capitol.

    The number of expected attendees swelled from 8,000 on the initial permit, and the Harris-Walz campaign was advertising the event on social media platforms such as Instagram as of Sunday morning. The initial permit was amended, according to the National Park Service.

    Harris is working to turn the election into a referendum on the Trump era, which she will lay out as a decade of division and chaos, a senior Harris campaign official told NBC News.

    Trump will deliver remarks Tuesday evening in Allentown, Pennsylvania, which his campaign billed as his final message to voters.

    Attendees can enter the gates starting at 3 p.m.

    Preparations on the Ellipse were underway over the weekend, with crews readying fencing, protective flooring and more.

    Those hoping to attend were told to RSVP on the Harris-Waltz campaign website. The gates are expected to open at 3 p.m. and Harris is expected to start her speech at 7:15 p.m. The event is set to end at about 9 p.m.

    Harris will aim to address voters' economic concerns and highlight her specific proposals aimed at lowering costs, strengthening the middle class and raising taxes on corporations and the wealthy, according to a campaign official.

    Road closures to expect in downtown DC

    Make sure to plan ahead if you're going to be out and about in downtown D.C. Tuesday afternoon and night. Along with the rally, the annual High Heel Race will take place on 17th Street NW, and a Capitals-Rangers game will take place in Chinatown.

    Here's a list of road closures and parking restrictions that D.C. police put in place ahead of the rally.

    The following streets will be closed to vehicle traffic Tuesday from about noon to 10 p.m.:

    • 17th Street from H Street NW to Independence Avenue SW
    • 15th Street from F Street NW to Independence Avenue SW
    • Jefferson Drive from 14th to 15th Street SW
    • Madison Drive from 14th to 15th Street NW
    • Constitution Avenue from 14th to 18th Street NW
    • C Street from 17th to 18th Street NW
    • D Street from 17th to 18th Street NW
    • E Street from 17th to 18th Street NW
    • F Street from 17th to 18th Street NW
    • G Street from 17th to 18th Street NW
    • New York Avenue from 17th to 18th Street NW
    • E Street from 14th to 15th Street NW
    • Pennsylvania Avenue from 17th to 18th Street NW
    • Pennsylvania Avenue from 14th to 15th Street NW (local hotel traffic only)
    • Road closures and times are subject to change, police said.
    Harris rally on National Mall disrupts Tuesday evening rush-hour traffic
    Vice President Kamala Harris’ rally near the White House on Tuesday night spurred major traffic closures. News4’s Adam Tuss gives a live look.

    Road closures and times are subject to change, police said.

    Drivers could hit delays in the area and may want to seek alternate routes. Police and transportation officials also are warning drivers to be careful due to increased foot traffic.

    Drivers also should expect parking restrictions, police said. Any vehicles parked in violation of the "Emergency No Parking" signs will be ticketed and towed.

    The following streets will be posted as Emergency No Parking from 6 a.m. to 10 p.m. Tuesday:

    • 17th Street from Pennsylvania Avenue to Constitution Avenue NW
    • Constitution Avenue from 14th Street to 18th Street NW
    • 15th Street from F Street to Constitution Avenue NW

    Less than a week away from Election Day

    Harris is locked in a statistical dead heat with Trump, polling shows, with just over a week to go until Election Day. The vice president; her running mate, Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, and high-profile surrogates from Michelle Obama to Liz Cheney to Beyoncé are calling on voters to cast ballots for the Democrat.

    Election Day is Tuesday, Nov. 5, 2024. All D.C. police districts will be fully staffed and all officers will be on 12-hour shifts with a focus on ballot boxes and polling locations starting on Nov. 4.

    Check out our voting guides for Virginia, Maryland and Washington, D.C.:

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  • Merkin Baller
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    Hopefully her supporters do not invade the Capitol afterwards.”

    🤣🤣
  • Tim Simmons
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    I know her time is precious, but I really hope she does the Rogan podcast. After the disaster that was Trumps, I'm hopeful she may be able to sway some people.

  • mickeyrat
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    I know her time is precious, but I really hope she does the Rogan podcast. After the disaster that was Trumps, I'm hopeful she may be able to sway some people.


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    I know her time is precious, but I really hope she does the Rogan podcast. After the disaster that was Trumps, I'm hopeful she may be able to sway some people.


    friday or monday
    She should ask him to do it from AF2 as she flies LA to DC. Offer him a beer and have the valet bring it, with pretzels or chips.
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  • pjl44
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    I know her time is precious, but I really hope she does the Rogan podcast. After the disaster that was Trumps, I'm hopeful she may be able to sway some people.

    I'm a little over halfway through Trump's and would love to listen to her too. When do you ever get to hear a VP or President just have an unedited 3 hour conversation.
  • Tim Simmons
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    For those who don't know, the negotiation is Harris wants a 1hr conversation where Rogan will be flown out to her. Rogan wants 3hrs in TX at his studio. he doesn't need the interview and she doesn't have the time to spend in TX. so it may not work.

    Would have been good to try to make it work when she was in Houston the other night.

  • jerparker20
    jerparker20 St. Paul, MN Posts: 2,528
    Here’s some voter fraud. Caught and charged.

    MN voter fraud: Woman cast ballot for Trump under dead mom's name, charges say

    By FOX 9 News
    Published  October 28, 2024 9:05am CDT

    The Brief

      • A Minnesota woman is accused of voter fraud after she voted for Donald Trump using her dead mother's name.
      • Danielle Miller is charged with two counts of felony voter fraud in connection to the incident.
      • Miller admitted her mom was an avid Trump supporter, but she died before she was able to cast her absentee ballot for the former president.

    NASHWAUK, Minn. (FOX 9) - A Minnesota woman is accused of voter fraud after she admitted she filled out her mom's absentee ballot for Donald Trump after her mom died, according to criminal charges. 

    What happened? 

    Danielle Christine Miller, 50, of Nashwauk, Minnesota, is accused of felony voter fraud after she allegedly voted for her mother, who died in August, via absentee ballot.

    According to the criminal complaint, on Sept. 20, the Itasca County Auditor's Office mailed absentee ballots to citizens living in Itasca County. Then, on Oct. 7, the Auditor's Office received two signed ballots for Miller and Rose Maria Javorina. However, Javorina died on Aug. 31.

    Each signature envelope for the absentee ballots includes two sections that need to be filled out by the voter and a witness. The voter must sign stating they "certify that on Election Day [they] will meet all the legal requirements to vote." The witness must then complete a section that includes their name and street address, certifying that the ballot was blank before the voter voted; the voter marked the ballot in secrecy; the voter enclosed and sealed the ballot in the ballot envelope; and that the witness is or has been registered to vote in Minnesota, is a notary or is authorized to give oaths.

    Charges state that on Miller's ballot signature envelope, the witness section was completed by Javorina. On Javorina's ballot signature envelope, the witness section was filled out and signed by Miller and the voter portion was signed by "Rose Javorina." 

    The Itasca County Auditor, upon receiving the ballots, contacted the Itasca County Sheriff's Office on Oct. 9 regarding possible voter fraud. The ballot envelopes hadn't been opened, but were flagged for fraud based on the sealed signature envelopes, charges state. 

    The sheriff's office compared both signature envelopes — they were both filled out in black ink and appeared to be similar, charges state. The sheriff's office compared the signatures on the envelope to the driver's license signature of Miller, and noted "they appeared to be very similar and appeared to match each other."

    Woman admits she voted for Trump for her mom

    On Oct. 11, the sheriff's office spoke with Miller about the ballot signature envelopes. She said she filled out her mom's absentee ballot and signed her mom's name on the envelope. She admitted her mom was an avid Donald Trump supporter and had wanted to vote for Trump, but she died before the absentee ballots were received. 

    Miller also admitted she filled out her own absentee ballot and signed her mom's signature as the witness to her ballot. 

    Miller is charged with two counts of absentee voting — intentionally making or signing a false certificate and absentee voting —casting an illegal vote or aiding another, which are both felonies. 

    Miller is scheduled to make her first court appearance on the charges on Dec. 4

    https://www.fox9.com/news/minnesota-voter-fraud-woman-voted-trump-dead-mother.amp
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,398
    Here’s some voter fraud. Caught and charged.

    MN voter fraud: Woman cast ballot for Trump under dead mom's name, charges say

    By FOX 9 News
    Published  October 28, 2024 9:05am CDT

    The Brief

      • A Minnesota woman is accused of voter fraud after she voted for Donald Trump using her dead mother's name.
      • Danielle Miller is charged with two counts of felony voter fraud in connection to the incident.
      • Miller admitted her mom was an avid Trump supporter, but she died before she was able to cast her absentee ballot for the former president.

    NASHWAUK, Minn. (FOX 9) - A Minnesota woman is accused of voter fraud after she admitted she filled out her mom's absentee ballot for Donald Trump after her mom died, according to criminal charges. 

    What happened? 

    Danielle Christine Miller, 50, of Nashwauk, Minnesota, is accused of felony voter fraud after she allegedly voted for her mother, who died in August, via absentee ballot.

    According to the criminal complaint, on Sept. 20, the Itasca County Auditor's Office mailed absentee ballots to citizens living in Itasca County. Then, on Oct. 7, the Auditor's Office received two signed ballots for Miller and Rose Maria Javorina. However, Javorina died on Aug. 31.

    Each signature envelope for the absentee ballots includes two sections that need to be filled out by the voter and a witness. The voter must sign stating they "certify that on Election Day [they] will meet all the legal requirements to vote." The witness must then complete a section that includes their name and street address, certifying that the ballot was blank before the voter voted; the voter marked the ballot in secrecy; the voter enclosed and sealed the ballot in the ballot envelope; and that the witness is or has been registered to vote in Minnesota, is a notary or is authorized to give oaths.

    Charges state that on Miller's ballot signature envelope, the witness section was completed by Javorina. On Javorina's ballot signature envelope, the witness section was filled out and signed by Miller and the voter portion was signed by "Rose Javorina." 

    The Itasca County Auditor, upon receiving the ballots, contacted the Itasca County Sheriff's Office on Oct. 9 regarding possible voter fraud. The ballot envelopes hadn't been opened, but were flagged for fraud based on the sealed signature envelopes, charges state. 

    The sheriff's office compared both signature envelopes — they were both filled out in black ink and appeared to be similar, charges state. The sheriff's office compared the signatures on the envelope to the driver's license signature of Miller, and noted "they appeared to be very similar and appeared to match each other."

    Woman admits she voted for Trump for her mom

    On Oct. 11, the sheriff's office spoke with Miller about the ballot signature envelopes. She said she filled out her mom's absentee ballot and signed her mom's name on the envelope. She admitted her mom was an avid Donald Trump supporter and had wanted to vote for Trump, but she died before the absentee ballots were received. 

    Miller also admitted she filled out her own absentee ballot and signed her mom's signature as the witness to her ballot. 

    Miller is charged with two counts of absentee voting — intentionally making or signing a false certificate and absentee voting —casting an illegal vote or aiding another, which are both felonies. 

    Miller is scheduled to make her first court appearance on the charges on Dec. 4

    https://www.fox9.com/news/minnesota-voter-fraud-woman-voted-trump-dead-mother.amp
    But this type of voter fraud is ok because she did it out of love for her mother. It's not like she's an illegal or filthy liberal helping another person get to the voting booth. Or even worse, trying to mail in their ballot 2 days before the election. That's suspicious.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • tbergs said:
    Here’s some voter fraud. Caught and charged.

    MN voter fraud: Woman cast ballot for Trump under dead mom's name, charges say

    By FOX 9 News
    Published  October 28, 2024 9:05am CDT

    The Brief

      • A Minnesota woman is accused of voter fraud after she voted for Donald Trump using her dead mother's name.
      • Danielle Miller is charged with two counts of felony voter fraud in connection to the incident.
      • Miller admitted her mom was an avid Trump supporter, but she died before she was able to cast her absentee ballot for the former president.

    NASHWAUK, Minn. (FOX 9) - A Minnesota woman is accused of voter fraud after she admitted she filled out her mom's absentee ballot for Donald Trump after her mom died, according to criminal charges. 

    What happened? 

    Danielle Christine Miller, 50, of Nashwauk, Minnesota, is accused of felony voter fraud after she allegedly voted for her mother, who died in August, via absentee ballot.

    According to the criminal complaint, on Sept. 20, the Itasca County Auditor's Office mailed absentee ballots to citizens living in Itasca County. Then, on Oct. 7, the Auditor's Office received two signed ballots for Miller and Rose Maria Javorina. However, Javorina died on Aug. 31.

    Each signature envelope for the absentee ballots includes two sections that need to be filled out by the voter and a witness. The voter must sign stating they "certify that on Election Day [they] will meet all the legal requirements to vote." The witness must then complete a section that includes their name and street address, certifying that the ballot was blank before the voter voted; the voter marked the ballot in secrecy; the voter enclosed and sealed the ballot in the ballot envelope; and that the witness is or has been registered to vote in Minnesota, is a notary or is authorized to give oaths.

    Charges state that on Miller's ballot signature envelope, the witness section was completed by Javorina. On Javorina's ballot signature envelope, the witness section was filled out and signed by Miller and the voter portion was signed by "Rose Javorina." 

    The Itasca County Auditor, upon receiving the ballots, contacted the Itasca County Sheriff's Office on Oct. 9 regarding possible voter fraud. The ballot envelopes hadn't been opened, but were flagged for fraud based on the sealed signature envelopes, charges state. 

    The sheriff's office compared both signature envelopes — they were both filled out in black ink and appeared to be similar, charges state. The sheriff's office compared the signatures on the envelope to the driver's license signature of Miller, and noted "they appeared to be very similar and appeared to match each other."

    Woman admits she voted for Trump for her mom

    On Oct. 11, the sheriff's office spoke with Miller about the ballot signature envelopes. She said she filled out her mom's absentee ballot and signed her mom's name on the envelope. She admitted her mom was an avid Donald Trump supporter and had wanted to vote for Trump, but she died before the absentee ballots were received. 

    Miller also admitted she filled out her own absentee ballot and signed her mom's signature as the witness to her ballot. 

    Miller is charged with two counts of absentee voting — intentionally making or signing a false certificate and absentee voting —casting an illegal vote or aiding another, which are both felonies. 

    Miller is scheduled to make her first court appearance on the charges on Dec. 4

    https://www.fox9.com/news/minnesota-voter-fraud-woman-voted-trump-dead-mother.amp
    But this type of voter fraud is ok because she did it out of love for her mother. It's not like she's an illegal or filthy liberal helping another person get to the voting booth. Or even worse, trying to mail in their ballot 2 days before the election. That's suspicious.
    Or providing bottled water to folks waiting in long lines in minority majority (other) districts.
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  • The Juggler
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    The contrast between this and the msg shit show could not be starker. What a great idea by her campaign.
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  • jerparker20
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    tbergs said:
    Here’s some voter fraud. Caught and charged.

    MN voter fraud: Woman cast ballot for Trump under dead mom's name, charges say

    By FOX 9 News
    Published  October 28, 2024 9:05am CDT

    The Brief

      • A Minnesota woman is accused of voter fraud after she voted for Donald Trump using her dead mother's name.
      • Danielle Miller is charged with two counts of felony voter fraud in connection to the incident.
      • Miller admitted her mom was an avid Trump supporter, but she died before she was able to cast her absentee ballot for the former president.

    NASHWAUK, Minn. (FOX 9) - A Minnesota woman is accused of voter fraud after she admitted she filled out her mom's absentee ballot for Donald Trump after her mom died, according to criminal charges. 

    What happened? 

    Danielle Christine Miller, 50, of Nashwauk, Minnesota, is accused of felony voter fraud after she allegedly voted for her mother, who died in August, via absentee ballot.

    According to the criminal complaint, on Sept. 20, the Itasca County Auditor's Office mailed absentee ballots to citizens living in Itasca County. Then, on Oct. 7, the Auditor's Office received two signed ballots for Miller and Rose Maria Javorina. However, Javorina died on Aug. 31.

    Each signature envelope for the absentee ballots includes two sections that need to be filled out by the voter and a witness. The voter must sign stating they "certify that on Election Day [they] will meet all the legal requirements to vote." The witness must then complete a section that includes their name and street address, certifying that the ballot was blank before the voter voted; the voter marked the ballot in secrecy; the voter enclosed and sealed the ballot in the ballot envelope; and that the witness is or has been registered to vote in Minnesota, is a notary or is authorized to give oaths.

    Charges state that on Miller's ballot signature envelope, the witness section was completed by Javorina. On Javorina's ballot signature envelope, the witness section was filled out and signed by Miller and the voter portion was signed by "Rose Javorina." 

    The Itasca County Auditor, upon receiving the ballots, contacted the Itasca County Sheriff's Office on Oct. 9 regarding possible voter fraud. The ballot envelopes hadn't been opened, but were flagged for fraud based on the sealed signature envelopes, charges state. 

    The sheriff's office compared both signature envelopes — they were both filled out in black ink and appeared to be similar, charges state. The sheriff's office compared the signatures on the envelope to the driver's license signature of Miller, and noted "they appeared to be very similar and appeared to match each other."

    Woman admits she voted for Trump for her mom

    On Oct. 11, the sheriff's office spoke with Miller about the ballot signature envelopes. She said she filled out her mom's absentee ballot and signed her mom's name on the envelope. She admitted her mom was an avid Donald Trump supporter and had wanted to vote for Trump, but she died before the absentee ballots were received. 

    Miller also admitted she filled out her own absentee ballot and signed her mom's signature as the witness to her ballot. 

    Miller is charged with two counts of absentee voting — intentionally making or signing a false certificate and absentee voting —casting an illegal vote or aiding another, which are both felonies. 

    Miller is scheduled to make her first court appearance on the charges on Dec. 4

    https://www.fox9.com/news/minnesota-voter-fraud-woman-voted-trump-dead-mother.amp
    But this type of voter fraud is ok because she did it out of love for her mother. It's not like she's an illegal or filthy liberal helping another person get to the voting booth. Or even worse, trying to mail in their ballot 2 days before the election. That's suspicious.
    This is the second or third news article I’ve seen today of this happening over the past week. 
  • pjl44
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    I would lose my mind if Kamala had Dice come out
  • Tim Simmons
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    him?
  • mickeyrat
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  • gimmesometruth27
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    how did it go? are her supporters leaving dumps in the capitol building yet?
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    Reporting says the third shift of the capital police are beginning a quiet night at the Capitol
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