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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,523
    edited October 2
    The Juggler said:
    So Trump backed out of the 60 Minutes Election special Monday. Instead the whole hour will be devoted to Kamala. 

    Poor Donald. Probably thought he'd be treated unfairly. 
    By that nasty woman Leslie Chainstahl? Of course, she’s worse than an illegal immigrant in a kitchen muderer and almost as bad as Kamambala tax raiser! Probably eats the pets of the people that live there as well.
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  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Posts: 11,410
    Why won’t Donald Trump do interviews???
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  • teskeincteskeinc Posts: 1,668
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    Why won’t Donald Trump do interviews???
    Really? 😂😂😂🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Posts: 11,410
    There’s an intelligent response. Maybe you can post that pic that you already posted 92 times. 
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  • teskeincteskeinc Posts: 1,668
    If I’m Vance I’m going nuclear in my opening statement. “Saw your son backstage, he admitted he lied and doesn’t love you.” 

    Watch for Walz arms flailing around. He is very thin skinned and has a short fuse. He’s the kid who gets mad, picks up his ball and goes home.

    He’s been hiding since he bombed the co-interview with Kamala. With the exception of being booed at the Michigan football game this weekend.

    His own campaign is worried he will come across as a moron and a raging bull! 😂😂😂 or even an out of whack liberal (most here won’t mind that tho, probably even respect him more)


  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,613
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    Why won’t Donald Trump do interviews???
    I'd be curious why he bailed on this. 60 Minutes is a pretty big deal. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,523
    The Juggler said:
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    Why won’t Donald Trump do interviews???
    I'd be curious why he bailed on this. 60 Minutes is a pretty big deal. 
    Bok, bok, bok, bok, bok, bok, ba-cock!

    I'm guessing that internal polling shows he doesn't need it, he has more to lose than gain and that his demographic doesn't watch 60 Minutes. More like FAUX, MMA and WWF are his demo.
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  • teskeincteskeinc Posts: 1,668
    The Juggler said:
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    Why won’t Donald Trump do interviews???
    I'd be curious why he bailed on this. 60 Minutes is a pretty big deal. 
    Same reason Kamala bailed on the Sept 4th Fox debate Biden agreed to.
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 19,641
    teskeinc said:
    The Juggler said:
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    Why won’t Donald Trump do interviews???
    I'd be curious why he bailed on this. 60 Minutes is a pretty big deal. 
    Same reason Kamala bailed on the Sept 4th Fox debate Biden agreed to.
    False... Again 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,460
    teskeinc said:
    The Juggler said:
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    Why won’t Donald Trump do interviews???
    I'd be curious why he bailed on this. 60 Minutes is a pretty big deal. 
    Same reason Kamala bailed on the Sept 4th Fox debate Biden agreed to.
    Those are different people. 
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 19,641
    mrussel1 said:
    teskeinc said:
    The Juggler said:
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    Why won’t Donald Trump do interviews???
    I'd be curious why he bailed on this. 60 Minutes is a pretty big deal. 
    Same reason Kamala bailed on the Sept 4th Fox debate Biden agreed to.
    Those are different people. 
    And Biden never agreed to it 
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  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Posts: 11,410
    He lies as much as Vance. 
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,168
    teskeinc said:
    If I’m Vance I’m going nuclear in my opening statement. “Saw your son backstage, he admitted he lied and doesn’t love you.” 

    Watch for Walz arms flailing around. He is very thin skinned and has a short fuse. He’s the kid who gets mad, picks up his ball and goes home.

    He’s been hiding since he bombed the co-interview with Kamala. With the exception of being booed at the Michigan football game this weekend.

    His own campaign is worried he will come across as a moron and a raging bull! 😂😂😂 or even an out of whack liberal (most here won’t mind that tho, probably even respect him more)


    this has not aged well, 1 hour and 15 minutes in
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,622
    Tonight's debate is proving that Trump is the clear obstacle to civil political debates. These 2 are being much nicer and acknowledging commonality as people more then we've seen combined in any debate involving Trump. Too bad the ACA can't prevent the Trump disease polluting our country. 
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Posts: 11,410
    Walz seemed fine except mixing up a couple things here and there. Senator Lankford is from Kentucky, not Oklahoma. I think. Guess we’re losing those states. 

    Maybe a little too much fact checking from cbs? Oh well. 
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 19,641
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    Walz seemed fine except mixing up a couple things here and there. Senator Lankford is from Kentucky, not Oklahoma. I think. Guess we’re losing those states. 

    Maybe a little too much fact checking from cbs? Oh well. 
    No man... OK 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,021
    So his response means he knew what he said was a fucking lie

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  • RunIntoTheRainRunIntoTheRain Posts: 1,023
    tbergs said:
    Tonight's debate is proving that Trump is the clear obstacle to civil political debates. These 2 are being much nicer and acknowledging commonality as people more then we've seen combined in any debate involving Trump. Too bad the ACA can't prevent the Trump disease polluting our country. 
    I’ve been struck by the civility. 
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,707
    tbergs said:
    Tonight's debate is proving that Trump is the clear obstacle to civil political debates. These 2 are being much nicer and acknowledging commonality as people more then we've seen combined in any debate involving Trump. Too bad the ACA can't prevent the Trump disease polluting our country. 
    Yep.
    This is much more the way things used to be and are supposed to be.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,523
    RunIntoTheRain said:
    tbergs said:
    Tonight's debate is proving that Trump is the clear obstacle to civil political debates. These 2 are being much nicer and acknowledging commonality as people more then we've seen combined in any debate involving Trump. Too bad the ACA can't prevent the Trump disease polluting our country. 
    I’ve been struck by the civility. 
    A refreshing change.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 19,641
    RunIntoTheRain said:
    tbergs said:
    Tonight's debate is proving that Trump is the clear obstacle to civil political debates. These 2 are being much nicer and acknowledging commonality as people more then we've seen combined in any debate involving Trump. Too bad the ACA can't prevent the Trump disease polluting our country. 
    I’ve been struck by the civility. 
    Yeah I think jd took good advice and didn't come out as trump's attack dog. 
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,622
    Vance knew he needed to come across as human so he adjusted, where as Walz is who he is all the time. Vance plays to the crowd and is a snake in the grass.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • curmudgeonesscurmudgeoness Posts: 3,987
    Gern Blansten said:
    curmudgeoness said:
    I don’t like how the polls look. I don’t like how any of this feels. It feels too much like 2016: a campaign in disarray, polls showing the Dem candidate comfortably ahead. Look how that turned out.
    Harris should be up by ten points across the board after that debate. Nothing moves the needle at this point.
    Frankly I’d like coverage of polls to go away. Last night, buried in/by the Eric Adams story, was a poll showing T—-p up by ten points in AZ. I’m of the opinion that AZ is chock full of crazy, but wtf??
    Relax... Everything is falling in line 
    Nope. It’s no sleep ‘til Brooklyn for me. I have a child who, literally, will not survive four more years of that asshole. And I take the Constitution and democracy and freedom and all that way too seriously to relax right now. I was full of optimism in 2016, believing 538.com and stories about the T—-p campaign in disarray because it felt good. Not anymore, not for me.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 41,733
    tbergs said:
    Vance knew he needed to come across as human so he adjusted, where as Walz is who he is all the time. Vance plays to the crowd and is a snake in the grass.

    Totally agree.  The word "slick" crossed my mind a number of times.  A dangerous animal, if you ask me. 
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 41,733
    curmudgeoness said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    curmudgeoness said:
    I don’t like how the polls look. I don’t like how any of this feels. It feels too much like 2016: a campaign in disarray, polls showing the Dem candidate comfortably ahead. Look how that turned out.
    Harris should be up by ten points across the board after that debate. Nothing moves the needle at this point.
    Frankly I’d like coverage of polls to go away. Last night, buried in/by the Eric Adams story, was a poll showing T—-p up by ten points in AZ. I’m of the opinion that AZ is chock full of crazy, but wtf??
    Relax... Everything is falling in line 
    Nope. It’s no sleep ‘til Brooklyn for me. I have a child who, literally, will not survive four more years of that asshole. And I take the Constitution and democracy and freedom and all that way too seriously to relax right now. I was full of optimism in 2016, believing 538.com and stories about the T—-p campaign in disarray because it felt good. Not anymore, not for me.

    Exactly.  No rest for the weary this time, that for darned sure. And I think Harris and Walz are probably well aware of that.

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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 41,733
    Everybody who is going to change their mind about who to vote for president based on what other people on AMT say, raise your hand.

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  • teskeincteskeinc Posts: 1,668
    brianlux said:
    Everybody who is going to change their mind about who to vote for president based on what other people on AMT say, raise your hand.

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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,141
    Talk about derangement. 

    JFC
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,460
    Pretty much dead even on "who won".  Republicans said Vance won, D's to Walz.  Unaffiliated broke slightly to Walz, but probably not statistically significant.  I think what we can see is that it is Trump who is creating the coarseness of the debate and the anger in this country.  I think the civility of these exchanges is yet more evidence of what we already knew.  JFC, let's get him out of the public eye once and for all. 

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