to be honest , there are no real rumous besides "some shows"
Someone posted 4/29 and either 4/30 or 5/1 for Atlanta. There is now way of knowing if that person has real info or was just throwing something out there.
Only person reliable nowadays is Facemeltor and he´s been silent.
Dimitris no longer says anything but i bet he knows for sure
Facemeltor is great. I have heard occasional tips from others that have been right. And when a total unknown posts possible Atlanta dates I’m not going to risk any money on it but would I book a room I could later cancel? You bet!
I think the important part is it's still too early for solid leaks, but it seems it'll be the south or great lakes (but it could be a bit of both over the course of the year, for all anyone knows.)
If the Great Lakes region gets involved, it could be Cleveland and Detroit up to Milwaukee. No Chicago, for those who would be curious.
I think they'd be stupid not to play Europe.
Earlier on, someone posted how "DM has legs" and that seems to be a credible point. This won't be like Gigaton where it was a short tour (although they couldn't tour until almost two years later.) This could be more like Lightning Bolt.
Presidential Advice from President-Elect Mike McCready: "Are you getting something out of this all encompassing trip?"
I think the important part is it's still too early for solid leaks, but it seems it'll be the south or great lakes (but it could be a bit of both over the course of the year, for all anyone knows.)
If the Great Lakes region gets involved, it could be Cleveland and Detroit up to Milwaukee. No Chicago, for those who would be curious.
I think they'd be stupid not to play Europe.
Earlier on, someone posted how "DM has legs" and that seems to be a credible point. This won't be like Gigaton where it was a short tour (although they couldn't tour until almost two years later.) This could be more like Lightning Bolt.
Good info/speculation! Thanks!
1998: Mansfield, MA (9/15) 2000: Virginia Beach, VA (8/3), Saratoga Springs, NY (8/27), Mansfield, MA (8/29 and 8/30) 2003: Albany, NY (4/29), Mansfield, MA (7/2 and 7/3), New York, NY (7/8 and 7/9) 2006: Hartford, CT (5/23), Boston, MA (5/24 and 5/25) 2009: Chicago, IL (8/23 and 8/24) 2010: Boston, MA (5/17) 2011: East Troy, WI (9/3 and 9/4) 2013: Worcester, MA (10/15 and 10/16), Hartford, CT (10/25) 2016: Boston, MA (8/5 and 8/7) 2018: Boston, MA (9/2 and 9/4) 2022: Camden, NJ (9/14) 2024: Boston, MA (9/15 and 9/17)
99.99% of people in team front offices don't know anything that isn't already public. The exception is what they know, but obviously can't tell random callers...just like anyone else with their job.
Even if you (the reader here) know something about your job, maybe you've been sworn to secrecy where you can't even tell your family until a certain date.
...I feel like we're about to reach the phase where fans call up ticket reps.
Presidential Advice from President-Elect Mike McCready: "Are you getting something out of this all encompassing trip?"
April/May...Eastern/Northern USA. Think a similar-ish thing to 2016.
June...European cities missed in 2024. Hello again Amsterdam. They love going there and obviously had to miss it in 2024.
After that? It's far too early for me to make dumb guesses, but we know they generally don't tour in cold-weather areas and don't like to tour in October.
UNLESS....they do south in spring and then hit up the Great Lakes after Europe, but I don't think that's the case either.
South America needs some love too. It's been a hot minute.
Presidential Advice from President-Elect Mike McCready: "Are you getting something out of this all encompassing trip?"
99.99% of people in team front offices don't know anything that isn't already public. The exception is what they know, but obviously can't tell random callers...just like anyone else with their job.
Even if you (the reader here) know something about your job, maybe you've been sworn to secrecy where you can't even tell your family until a certain date.
...I feel like we're about to reach the phase where fans call up ticket reps.
I’m not sure I understand your comment re: “venues don’t know anything the exception being what they do know” because holds for venues are made 6-9 months in advance and the venues sign NDAs.
To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
I think the important part is it's still too early for solid leaks, but it seems it'll be the south or great lakes (but it could be a bit of both over the course of the year, for all anyone knows.)
If the Great Lakes region gets involved, it could be Cleveland and Detroit up to Milwaukee. No Chicago, for those who would be curious.
I think they'd be stupid not to play Europe.
Earlier on, someone posted how "DM has legs" and that seems to be a credible point. This won't be like Gigaton where it was a short tour (although they couldn't tour until almost two years later.) This could be more like Lightning Bolt.
I like how Lost in Ohio played this. First gains credibility with reference to a correct past prediction and then makes some new predictions. I’m all in for this type of stuff. And especially if there really are Detroit and Cleveland shows. That would be awesome.
PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024: Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2
EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
If a non residency North American run happens in ‘25 will they be Dark Matter tour or non album shows? 🤔
I’d anticipate 3-4 DM songs per night, down from 6-7.
So my chances of hearing Got To Give live next year decreases. Damn!
Well, I think that it very well could get played at a PJ35 type show! Or even at a new Benaroya show. Could you imagine if they played an acoustic Got To Give?! It's fun to dream
I like how Lost in Ohio played this. First gains credibility with reference to a correct past prediction and then makes some new predictions. I’m all in for this type of stuff. And especially if there really are Detroit and Cleveland shows. That would be awesome.
I just had a random, 100% uneducated guess to go with some previous crap I posted.
When the hell is Bonaroo?
Edit: June 12-15.
Yeah...not gonna happen. 2016's appearance was probably because Europe didn't, right?
Oh well...fun thought!
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Presidential Advice from President-Elect Mike McCready: "Are you getting something out of this all encompassing trip?"
99.99% of people in team front offices don't know anything that isn't already public. The exception is what they know, but obviously can't tell random callers...just like anyone else with their job.
Even if you (the reader here) know something about your job, maybe you've been sworn to secrecy where you can't even tell your family until a certain date.
...I feel like we're about to reach the phase where fans call up ticket reps.
I’m not sure I understand your comment re: “venues don’t know anything the exception being what they do know” because holds for venues are made 6-9 months in advance and the venues sign NDAs.
The employees...the ticket representatives probably don't know anything.
If/when they do, they're not gonna tell the public. They *may* tell close confidants, but if I call up some FO somewhere and say that I heard a rumor about ______, they're just gonna point me to the website or Ticketmaster.
"Hey, FO representative. I heard you're real close to signing ______ to a new contract. Is this true?"
They're gonna have no comment other than "read the website" or "I've heard similar and I hope so." In other words, a hot bunch of nothing.
And yeah, the employees may occasionally get inside info about "this is about to be announced real soon" but they're not gonna tell anyone. I've known inside info for other things, but could only talk about it with other staff/insiders at those places.
Example: Years ago, I once heard inside info about a coach who was "going to be fired within 2-3 games." I couldn't tell anyone, but I had that hot tip.
In other words, calling up the Pistons/Cubs/Penguins/Saints/Texans FO and asking about "Pearl Jam on ______ 18th" they're gonna say "that's a new one."
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Presidential Advice from President-Elect Mike McCready: "Are you getting something out of this all encompassing trip?"
to be honest , there are no real rumous besides "some shows"
Someone posted 4/29 and either 4/30 or 5/1 for Atlanta. There is now way of knowing if that person has real info or was just throwing something out there.
Only person reliable nowadays is Facemeltor and he´s been silent.
Dimitris no longer says anything but i bet he knows for sure
Facemeltor is great. I have heard occasional tips from others that have been right. And when a total unknown posts possible Atlanta dates I’m not going to risk any money on it but would I book a room I could later cancel? You bet!
99.99% of people in team front offices don't know anything that isn't already public. The exception is what they know, but obviously can't tell random callers...just like anyone else with their job.
Even if you (the reader here) know something about your job, maybe you've been sworn to secrecy where you can't even tell your family until a certain date.
...I feel like we're about to reach the phase where fans call up ticket reps.
I’m not sure I understand your comment re: “venues don’t know anything the exception being what they do know” because holds for venues are made 6-9 months in advance and the venues sign NDAs.
The employees...the ticket representatives probably don't know anything.
If/when they do, they're not gonna tell the public. They *may* tell close confidants, but if I call up some FO somewhere and say that I heard a rumor about ______, they're just gonna point me to the website or Ticketmaster.
"Hey, FO representative. I heard you're real close to signing ______ to a new contract. Is this true?"
They're gonna have no comment other than "read the website" or "I've heard similar and I hope so." In other words, a hot bunch of nothing.
And yeah, the employees may occasionally get inside info about "this is about to be announced real soon" but they're not gonna tell anyone. I've known inside info for other things, but could only talk about it with other staff/insiders at those places.
Example: Years ago, I once heard inside info about a coach who was "going to be fired within 2-3 games." I couldn't tell anyone, but I had that hot tip.
In other words, calling up the Pistons/Cubs/Penguins/Saints/Texans FO and asking about "Pearl Jam on ______ 18th" they're gonna say "that's a new one."
Cubs? I thought no Chicago? Haha.
Detroit, Pittsburgh, New Orleans, Houston, Cleveland, Milwaukee all sound interesting.
Maybe you should edit the original message from Cubs to Bucks?
1998: Mansfield, MA (9/15) 2000: Virginia Beach, VA (8/3), Saratoga Springs, NY (8/27), Mansfield, MA (8/29 and 8/30) 2003: Albany, NY (4/29), Mansfield, MA (7/2 and 7/3), New York, NY (7/8 and 7/9) 2006: Hartford, CT (5/23), Boston, MA (5/24 and 5/25) 2009: Chicago, IL (8/23 and 8/24) 2010: Boston, MA (5/17) 2011: East Troy, WI (9/3 and 9/4) 2013: Worcester, MA (10/15 and 10/16), Hartford, CT (10/25) 2016: Boston, MA (8/5 and 8/7) 2018: Boston, MA (9/2 and 9/4) 2022: Camden, NJ (9/14) 2024: Boston, MA (9/15 and 9/17)
99.99% of people in team front offices don't know anything that isn't already public. The exception is what they know, but obviously can't tell random callers...just like anyone else with their job.
Even if you (the reader here) know something about your job, maybe you've been sworn to secrecy where you can't even tell your family until a certain date.
...I feel like we're about to reach the phase where fans call up ticket reps.
I’m not sure I understand your comment re: “venues don’t know anything the exception being what they do know” because holds for venues are made 6-9 months in advance and the venues sign NDAs.
The employees...the ticket representatives probably don't know anything.
If/when they do, they're not gonna tell the public. They *may* tell close confidants, but if I call up some FO somewhere and say that I heard a rumor about ______, they're just gonna point me to the website or Ticketmaster.
"Hey, FO representative. I heard you're real close to signing ______ to a new contract. Is this true?"
They're gonna have no comment other than "read the website" or "I've heard similar and I hope so." In other words, a hot bunch of nothing.
And yeah, the employees may occasionally get inside info about "this is about to be announced real soon" but they're not gonna tell anyone. I've known inside info for other things, but could only talk about it with other staff/insiders at those places.
Example: Years ago, I once heard inside info about a coach who was "going to be fired within 2-3 games." I couldn't tell anyone, but I had that hot tip.
In other words, calling up the Pistons/Cubs/Penguins/Saints/Texans FO and asking about "Pearl Jam on ______ 18th" they're gonna say "that's a new one."
No one has suggested asking employees at venues. You’ve entertained the notion only to state you’d get the silent treatment. Again I’ll state the venues on hold are aware who’s placed the holds at their venues and no they aren’t risking their NDAs to confirm if someone “phones to ask.” This entire scenario is something you’ve imagined up as some sort of quasi reaffirmation not to question your assumptions/guesses because, as you’ve linked to, you’ve made prior assumptions/guesses based on available datapoints at the time. May all your assumptions and guesses be true. Toronto is happening and that’s not an assumption or guess.
To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
to be honest , there are no real rumous besides "some shows"
Someone posted 4/29 and either 4/30 or 5/1 for Atlanta. There is now way of knowing if that person has real info or was just throwing something out there.
Only person reliable nowadays is Facemeltor and he´s been silent.
Dimitris no longer says anything but i bet he knows for sure
Facemeltor is great. I have heard occasional tips from others that have been right. And when a total unknown posts possible Atlanta dates I’m not going to risk any money on it but would I book a room I could later cancel? You bet!
99.99% of people in team front offices don't know anything that isn't already public. The exception is what they know, but obviously can't tell random callers...just like anyone else with their job.
Even if you (the reader here) know something about your job, maybe you've been sworn to secrecy where you can't even tell your family until a certain date.
...I feel like we're about to reach the phase where fans call up ticket reps.
I’m not sure I understand your comment re: “venues don’t know anything the exception being what they do know” because holds for venues are made 6-9 months in advance and the venues sign NDAs.
The employees...the ticket representatives probably don't know anything.
If/when they do, they're not gonna tell the public. They *may* tell close confidants, but if I call up some FO somewhere and say that I heard a rumor about ______, they're just gonna point me to the website or Ticketmaster.
"Hey, FO representative. I heard you're real close to signing ______ to a new contract. Is this true?"
They're gonna have no comment other than "read the website" or "I've heard similar and I hope so." In other words, a hot bunch of nothing.
And yeah, the employees may occasionally get inside info about "this is about to be announced real soon" but they're not gonna tell anyone. I've known inside info for other things, but could only talk about it with other staff/insiders at those places.
Example: Years ago, I once heard inside info about a coach who was "going to be fired within 2-3 games." I couldn't tell anyone, but I had that hot tip.
In other words, calling up the Pistons/Cubs/Penguins/Saints/Texans FO and asking about "Pearl Jam on ______ 18th" they're gonna say "that's a new one."
Cubs? I thought no Chicago? Haha.
Detroit, Pittsburgh, New Orleans, Houston, Cleveland, Milwaukee all sound interesting.
Maybe you should edit the original message from Cubs to Bucks?
Those were all random cities as examples
Presidential Advice from President-Elect Mike McCready: "Are you getting something out of this all encompassing trip?"
99.99% of people in team front offices don't know anything that isn't already public. The exception is what they know, but obviously can't tell random callers...just like anyone else with their job.
Even if you (the reader here) know something about your job, maybe you've been sworn to secrecy where you can't even tell your family until a certain date.
...I feel like we're about to reach the phase where fans call up ticket reps.
I’m not sure I understand your comment re: “venues don’t know anything the exception being what they do know” because holds for venues are made 6-9 months in advance and the venues sign NDAs.
The employees...the ticket representatives probably don't know anything.
If/when they do, they're not gonna tell the public. They *may* tell close confidants, but if I call up some FO somewhere and say that I heard a rumor about ______, they're just gonna point me to the website or Ticketmaster.
"Hey, FO representative. I heard you're real close to signing ______ to a new contract. Is this true?"
They're gonna have no comment other than "read the website" or "I've heard similar and I hope so." In other words, a hot bunch of nothing.
And yeah, the employees may occasionally get inside info about "this is about to be announced real soon" but they're not gonna tell anyone. I've known inside info for other things, but could only talk about it with other staff/insiders at those places.
Example: Years ago, I once heard inside info about a coach who was "going to be fired within 2-3 games." I couldn't tell anyone, but I had that hot tip.
In other words, calling up the Pistons/Cubs/Penguins/Saints/Texans FO and asking about "Pearl Jam on ______ 18th" they're gonna say "that's a new one."
No one has suggested asking employees at venues. You’ve entertained the notion only to state you’d get the silent treatment. Again I’ll state the venues on hold are aware who’s placed the holds at their venues and no they aren’t risking their NDAs to confirm if someone “phones to ask.” This entire scenario is something you’ve imagined up as some sort of quasi reaffirmation not to question your assumptions/guesses because, as you’ve linked to, you’ve made prior assumptions/guesses based on available datapoints at the time. May all your assumptions and guesses be true. Toronto is happening and that’s not an assumption or guess.
True, nobody has suggested it.
But it wouldn't surprise me if someone took it upon themselves to call.
You're right though. The venues do know. I think we can all agree that if someone blabbed to anyone but a trusted confidant, they'd get whatever they deserved.
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Presidential Advice from President-Elect Mike McCready: "Are you getting something out of this all encompassing trip?"
99.99% of people in team front offices don't know anything that isn't already public. The exception is what they know, but obviously can't tell random callers...just like anyone else with their job.
Even if you (the reader here) know something about your job, maybe you've been sworn to secrecy where you can't even tell your family until a certain date.
...I feel like we're about to reach the phase where fans call up ticket reps.
I’m not sure I understand your comment re: “venues don’t know anything the exception being what they do know” because holds for venues are made 6-9 months in advance and the venues sign NDAs.
The employees...the ticket representatives probably don't know anything.
If/when they do, they're not gonna tell the public. They *may* tell close confidants, but if I call up some FO somewhere and say that I heard a rumor about ______, they're just gonna point me to the website or Ticketmaster.
"Hey, FO representative. I heard you're real close to signing ______ to a new contract. Is this true?"
They're gonna have no comment other than "read the website" or "I've heard similar and I hope so." In other words, a hot bunch of nothing.
And yeah, the employees may occasionally get inside info about "this is about to be announced real soon" but they're not gonna tell anyone. I've known inside info for other things, but could only talk about it with other staff/insiders at those places.
Example: Years ago, I once heard inside info about a coach who was "going to be fired within 2-3 games." I couldn't tell anyone, but I had that hot tip.
In other words, calling up the Pistons/Cubs/Penguins/Saints/Texans FO and asking about "Pearl Jam on ______ 18th" they're gonna say "that's a new one."
Cubs? I thought no Chicago? Haha.
Detroit, Pittsburgh, New Orleans, Houston, Cleveland, Milwaukee all sound interesting.
Maybe you should edit the original message from Cubs to Bucks?
Those were all random cities as examples
Ok
1998: Mansfield, MA (9/15) 2000: Virginia Beach, VA (8/3), Saratoga Springs, NY (8/27), Mansfield, MA (8/29 and 8/30) 2003: Albany, NY (4/29), Mansfield, MA (7/2 and 7/3), New York, NY (7/8 and 7/9) 2006: Hartford, CT (5/23), Boston, MA (5/24 and 5/25) 2009: Chicago, IL (8/23 and 8/24) 2010: Boston, MA (5/17) 2011: East Troy, WI (9/3 and 9/4) 2013: Worcester, MA (10/15 and 10/16), Hartford, CT (10/25) 2016: Boston, MA (8/5 and 8/7) 2018: Boston, MA (9/2 and 9/4) 2022: Camden, NJ (9/14) 2024: Boston, MA (9/15 and 9/17)
99.99% of people in team front offices don't know anything that isn't already public. The exception is what they know, but obviously can't tell random callers...just like anyone else with their job.
Even if you (the reader here) know something about your job, maybe you've been sworn to secrecy where you can't even tell your family until a certain date.
...I feel like we're about to reach the phase where fans call up ticket reps.
I’m not sure I understand your comment re: “venues don’t know anything the exception being what they do know” because holds for venues are made 6-9 months in advance and the venues sign NDAs.
The employees...the ticket representatives probably don't know anything.
If/when they do, they're not gonna tell the public. They *may* tell close confidants, but if I call up some FO somewhere and say that I heard a rumor about ______, they're just gonna point me to the website or Ticketmaster.
"Hey, FO representative. I heard you're real close to signing ______ to a new contract. Is this true?"
They're gonna have no comment other than "read the website" or "I've heard similar and I hope so." In other words, a hot bunch of nothing.
And yeah, the employees may occasionally get inside info about "this is about to be announced real soon" but they're not gonna tell anyone. I've known inside info for other things, but could only talk about it with other staff/insiders at those places.
Example: Years ago, I once heard inside info about a coach who was "going to be fired within 2-3 games." I couldn't tell anyone, but I had that hot tip.
In other words, calling up the Pistons/Cubs/Penguins/Saints/Texans FO and asking about "Pearl Jam on ______ 18th" they're gonna say "that's a new one."
No one has suggested asking employees at venues. You’ve entertained the notion only to state you’d get the silent treatment. Again I’ll state the venues on hold are aware who’s placed the holds at their venues and no they aren’t risking their NDAs to confirm if someone “phones to ask.” This entire scenario is something you’ve imagined up as some sort of quasi reaffirmation not to question your assumptions/guesses because, as you’ve linked to, you’ve made prior assumptions/guesses based on available datapoints at the time. May all your assumptions and guesses be true. Toronto is happening and that’s not an assumption or guess.
99.99% of people in team front offices don't know anything that isn't already public. The exception is what they know, but obviously can't tell random callers...just like anyone else with their job.
Even if you (the reader here) know something about your job, maybe you've been sworn to secrecy where you can't even tell your family until a certain date.
...I feel like we're about to reach the phase where fans call up ticket reps.
I’m not sure I understand your comment re: “venues don’t know anything the exception being what they do know” because holds for venues are made 6-9 months in advance and the venues sign NDAs.
The employees...the ticket representatives probably don't know anything.
If/when they do, they're not gonna tell the public. They *may* tell close confidants, but if I call up some FO somewhere and say that I heard a rumor about ______, they're just gonna point me to the website or Ticketmaster.
"Hey, FO representative. I heard you're real close to signing ______ to a new contract. Is this true?"
They're gonna have no comment other than "read the website" or "I've heard similar and I hope so." In other words, a hot bunch of nothing.
And yeah, the employees may occasionally get inside info about "this is about to be announced real soon" but they're not gonna tell anyone. I've known inside info for other things, but could only talk about it with other staff/insiders at those places.
Example: Years ago, I once heard inside info about a coach who was "going to be fired within 2-3 games." I couldn't tell anyone, but I had that hot tip.
In other words, calling up the Pistons/Cubs/Penguins/Saints/Texans FO and asking about "Pearl Jam on ______ 18th" they're gonna say "that's a new one."
No one has suggested asking employees at venues. You’ve entertained the notion only to state you’d get the silent treatment. Again I’ll state the venues on hold are aware who’s placed the holds at their venues and no they aren’t risking their NDAs to confirm if someone “phones to ask.” This entire scenario is something you’ve imagined up as some sort of quasi reaffirmation not to question your assumptions/guesses because, as you’ve linked to, you’ve made prior assumptions/guesses based on available datapoints at the time. May all your assumptions and guesses be true. Toronto is happening and that’s not an assumption or guess.
The only night in Toronto I definitely can't do is May 10th, so you guys might as well just assume that is the date and book your hotel rooms.
On the plus side, my niece's dance recital gonna be lit af.
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With that said, I'm certainly not an insider, but I also didn't just get lucky.
I think the important part is it's still too early for solid leaks, but it seems it'll be the south or great lakes (but it could be a bit of both over the course of the year, for all anyone knows.)
If the Great Lakes region gets involved, it could be Cleveland and Detroit up to Milwaukee. No Chicago, for those who would be curious.
I think they'd be stupid not to play Europe.
Earlier on, someone posted how "DM has legs" and that seems to be a credible point. This won't be like Gigaton where it was a short tour (although they couldn't tour until almost two years later.) This could be more like Lightning Bolt.
2000: Virginia Beach, VA (8/3), Saratoga Springs, NY (8/27), Mansfield, MA (8/29 and 8/30)
2003: Albany, NY (4/29), Mansfield, MA (7/2 and 7/3), New York, NY (7/8 and 7/9)
2006: Hartford, CT (5/23), Boston, MA (5/24 and 5/25)
2009: Chicago, IL (8/23 and 8/24)
2010: Boston, MA (5/17)
2011: East Troy, WI (9/3 and 9/4)
2013: Worcester, MA (10/15 and 10/16), Hartford, CT (10/25)
2016: Boston, MA (8/5 and 8/7)
2018: Boston, MA (9/2 and 9/4)
2022: Camden, NJ (9/14)
2024: Boston, MA (9/15 and 9/17)
99.99% of people in team front offices don't know anything that isn't already public. The exception is what they know, but obviously can't tell random callers...just like anyone else with their job.
Even if you (the reader here) know something about your job, maybe you've been sworn to secrecy where you can't even tell your family until a certain date.
...I feel like we're about to reach the phase where fans call up ticket reps.
April/May...Eastern/Northern USA. Think a similar-ish thing to 2016.
June...European cities missed in 2024. Hello again Amsterdam. They love going there and obviously had to miss it in 2024.
After that? It's far too early for me to make dumb guesses, but we know they generally don't tour in cold-weather areas and don't like to tour in October.
UNLESS....they do south in spring and then hit up the Great Lakes after Europe, but I don't think that's the case either.
South America needs some love too. It's been a hot minute.
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
I just had a random, 100% uneducated guess to go with some previous crap I posted.
When the hell is Bonaroo?
Edit: June 12-15.
Yeah...not gonna happen. 2016's appearance was probably because Europe didn't, right?
Oh well...fun thought!
The employees...the ticket representatives probably don't know anything.
If/when they do, they're not gonna tell the public. They *may* tell close confidants, but if I call up some FO somewhere and say that I heard a rumor about ______, they're just gonna point me to the website or Ticketmaster.
"Hey, FO representative. I heard you're real close to signing ______ to a new contract. Is this true?"
They're gonna have no comment other than "read the website" or "I've heard similar and I hope so." In other words, a hot bunch of nothing.
And yeah, the employees may occasionally get inside info about "this is about to be announced real soon" but they're not gonna tell anyone. I've known inside info for other things, but could only talk about it with other staff/insiders at those places.
Example: Years ago, I once heard inside info about a coach who was "going to be fired within 2-3 games." I couldn't tell anyone, but I had that hot tip.
In other words, calling up the Pistons/Cubs/Penguins/Saints/Texans FO and asking about "Pearl Jam on ______ 18th" they're gonna say "that's a new one."
2000: Virginia Beach, VA (8/3), Saratoga Springs, NY (8/27), Mansfield, MA (8/29 and 8/30)
2003: Albany, NY (4/29), Mansfield, MA (7/2 and 7/3), New York, NY (7/8 and 7/9)
2006: Hartford, CT (5/23), Boston, MA (5/24 and 5/25)
2009: Chicago, IL (8/23 and 8/24)
2010: Boston, MA (5/17)
2011: East Troy, WI (9/3 and 9/4)
2013: Worcester, MA (10/15 and 10/16), Hartford, CT (10/25)
2016: Boston, MA (8/5 and 8/7)
2018: Boston, MA (9/2 and 9/4)
2022: Camden, NJ (9/14)
2024: Boston, MA (9/15 and 9/17)
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
I remember the guesses being moreso Dallas. Then again, I tend to pay more attention when they come nearer to me.
Those were all random cities as examples
True, nobody has suggested it.
But it wouldn't surprise me if someone took it upon themselves to call.
You're right though. The venues do know. I think we can all agree that if someone blabbed to anyone but a trusted confidant, they'd get whatever they deserved.
2000: Virginia Beach, VA (8/3), Saratoga Springs, NY (8/27), Mansfield, MA (8/29 and 8/30)
2003: Albany, NY (4/29), Mansfield, MA (7/2 and 7/3), New York, NY (7/8 and 7/9)
2006: Hartford, CT (5/23), Boston, MA (5/24 and 5/25)
2009: Chicago, IL (8/23 and 8/24)
2010: Boston, MA (5/17)
2011: East Troy, WI (9/3 and 9/4)
2013: Worcester, MA (10/15 and 10/16), Hartford, CT (10/25)
2016: Boston, MA (8/5 and 8/7)
2018: Boston, MA (9/2 and 9/4)
2022: Camden, NJ (9/14)
2024: Boston, MA (9/15 and 9/17)
ISO 2016 Greenville shirt. Size medium. PM me if you have one for sale/trade.
On the plus side, my niece's dance recital gonna be lit af.