I for one is putting a little bit more weight to the X post because it's Jeff's post. I can't see why a short make up tour in Europe next year would be so out of the question?
All their tours are short.
Good grief, euro again. Guess they don’t read the forum with that endless desaster thread, or review their revenue per night analytics. Very fair to expect east coast fans to take out a HELOC to see a show, while continually perform as many or more shows elsewhere that need help trying to fill seats, or rely on the festival model.
What is going on in here? I had 60 unread and this is what I get?!? Haha.
Anyways so the only real rumors are makeups in Europe based on Jeff’s comment and the sphere rumor right? Those are the ones with some legs so far?
I hope they play Boston… again!!
the usual forum noise mostly. A lot if hoping. One actual rumor: The Sphere. Some realization: Pearl Jam Week 2025 sounds like an amazing option. Less cities but amazing venues and 30+ song setlists. The Gorge, Redrocks, Slane Castle, and Hyde Park?! Yes please.
No way they are coming to Europe for just 2 shows it just doesn't make financial sense for a band to invest in all the expense of massive shows in europe to only do 2 of them.
2012 - Manchester (UK) 12 Jun - Manchester (UK) 13 Jun 2014 - Amsterdam (NL) 16 Jun - Amsterdam (NL) 17 Jun - Leeds (UK) 8 Jul - Milton Keynes (UK) 11 Jul 2017 - Rio de Janeiro (BR) 21 Mar 2018 - London (UK) 18 Jun - London (UK) 19 Jun - London (UK) 17 Jul 2022 - Vienna (AT) 20 July - Prague (CZ) 22 July - London (UK) 8 Jul - London (UK) 9 Jul 2024 - Manchester (UK) 25 Jun - London (UK) 29 Jun - Lisbon (PT) 13 Jul
Jeff said on Insta that he hoped they’d be back in London and Berlin next year, so I’d say that’s more likely than not. 6 or 7 euro shows to make the numbers work for going over at all, and 6 or 7 US shows to keep the office open.
Agreed it doesn't make financial sense for a band to invest in all the costs that come with bringing a big show over to europe to then only play 2 dates.
The sensible thing to to would be to at least play re-scheduled dates for the cancelled shows from both 2024 and 2022. That would be London, Berlin x2, Vienna, Prague and Amsterdam.
Throw a couple of festival dates on that list and thats basically a full Euro summer tour for PJ.
2012 - Manchester (UK) 12 Jun - Manchester (UK) 13 Jun 2014 - Amsterdam (NL) 16 Jun - Amsterdam (NL) 17 Jun - Leeds (UK) 8 Jul - Milton Keynes (UK) 11 Jul 2017 - Rio de Janeiro (BR) 21 Mar 2018 - London (UK) 18 Jun - London (UK) 19 Jun - London (UK) 17 Jul 2022 - Vienna (AT) 20 July - Prague (CZ) 22 July - London (UK) 8 Jul - London (UK) 9 Jul 2024 - Manchester (UK) 25 Jun - London (UK) 29 Jun - Lisbon (PT) 13 Jul
Jeff said on Insta that he hoped they’d be back in London and Berlin next year, so I’d say that’s more likely than not. 6 or 7 euro shows to make the numbers work for going over at all, and 6 or 7 US shows to keep the office open.
Agreed it doesn't make financial sense for a band to invest in all the costs that come with bringing a big show over to europe to then only play 2 dates.
The sensible thing to to would be to at least play re-scheduled dates for the cancelled shows from both 2024 and 2022. That would be London, Berlin x2, Vienna, Prague and Amsterdam.
Throw a couple of festival dates on that list and thats basically a full Euro summer tour for PJ.
London x2 Berlin x2 Copenhagen on June 29 (25 years of roskilde) Werchter Festival , Belgium Vienna Prague Amsterdam x2
What is going on in here? I had 60 unread and this is what I get?!? Haha.
Anyways so the only real rumors are makeups in Europe based on Jeff’s comment and the sphere rumor right? Those are the ones with some legs so far?
I hope they play Boston… again!!
the usual forum noise mostly. A lot if hoping. One actual rumor: The Sphere. Some realization: Pearl Jam Week 2025 sounds like an amazing option. Less cities but amazing venues and 30+ song setlists. The Gorge, Redrocks, Slane Castle, and Hyde Park?! Yes please.
No way they are coming to Europe for just 2 shows it just doesn't make financial sense for a band to invest in all the expense of massive shows in europe to only do 2 of them.
Right, you have a great point, which is why the discussion in the Pearl Jam Week thread mentions that 3 cities per continent might work out best. But since Europe and North America are such big markets, then perhaps 4 shows for each of those would be better.
So the Pearl Jam Week type shows could be something like...
London x 3 (Hyde Park?) Berlin x 3 Amsterdam x 3 Prague x 3
For the US, I would be grateful for the 2023 tour model. 3 short regional tours a with 20-25 shows a year. Set list were wide open. They could do 3 two week stints and satisfy a lot of demand here. Plus I miss the sit down openers and Metamorphosis II (haven’t been to shows this so maybe this is still their walkout). I think I will look back on those shows as some of my all time favorites.
What is going on in here? I had 60 unread and this is what I get?!? Haha.
Anyways so the only real rumors are makeups in Europe based on Jeff’s comment and the sphere rumor right? Those are the ones with some legs so far?
I hope they play Boston… again!!
the usual forum noise mostly. A lot if hoping. One actual rumor: The Sphere. Some realization: Pearl Jam Week 2025 sounds like an amazing option. Less cities but amazing venues and 30+ song setlists. The Gorge, Redrocks, Slane Castle, and Hyde Park?! Yes please.
No way they are coming to Europe for just 2 shows it just doesn't make financial sense for a band to invest in all the expense of massive shows in europe to only do 2 of them.
Right, you have a great point, which is why the discussion in the Pearl Jam Week thread mentions that 3 cities per continent might work out best. But since Europe and North America are such big markets, then perhaps 4 shows for each of those would be better.
So the Pearl Jam Week type shows could be something like...
London x 3 (Hyde Park?) Berlin x 3 Amsterdam x 3 Prague x 3
The Gorge x 3 Redrocks x 3 Wrigley x 3 Philly x 3
Not a chance they could ever play 3 nights in Hyde Park. The 2 nights they did in 2022 were not fully sold out so adding a 3rd night would make no sense. They didn't even sell out Tottenham Stadium for one night this year and that has a capacity slightly lower than Hyde Park. Realistically if they are going to play 3 nights in London it could only really be at the O2 Arena which would roughly equal the same ticket sales as one night at Tottenham or Hyde Park.
It's also highly unlikely that BST Festival which puts on the concerts at Hyde Park would invite PJ back so soon after headlining 2 nights in 2022. They book a massively eclectic range of acts ranging through classical to K-pop to rock. So it's not like they have a limited number of acts they can call on to headline like some more specialised festivals.
I suspect that if they are coming back to London it they will try another stadium show either at Tottenham or maybe the Olympic Stadium depending on which is available. Both are roughly equal in size and hold concerts every summer. And although Tottenham didn't sell out this year they would have to assume that the majority who bought tickets this year will still want to go to a re-scheduled date so they need to be able to accommodate that many with a bit of additional capacity so as to not shut out people who didn't book tickets last time but who still want to go next summer.
2012 - Manchester (UK) 12 Jun - Manchester (UK) 13 Jun 2014 - Amsterdam (NL) 16 Jun - Amsterdam (NL) 17 Jun - Leeds (UK) 8 Jul - Milton Keynes (UK) 11 Jul 2017 - Rio de Janeiro (BR) 21 Mar 2018 - London (UK) 18 Jun - London (UK) 19 Jun - London (UK) 17 Jul 2022 - Vienna (AT) 20 July - Prague (CZ) 22 July - London (UK) 8 Jul - London (UK) 9 Jul 2024 - Manchester (UK) 25 Jun - London (UK) 29 Jun - Lisbon (PT) 13 Jul
They'd better start with one night at the O2 Arena. As soon as it's sold out and the ticket rush is measurably huge, you can activate the second night. Just like others do. Nothing wrong with that. If you think back to the number of empty seats at Tottenham Stadium in the first few weeks and months, one night at the O2 Arena would have been enough.
They'd better start with one night at the O2 Arena. As soon as it's sold out and the ticket rush is measurably huge, you can activate the second night. Just like others do. Nothing wrong with that. If you think back to the number of empty seats at Tottenham Stadium in the first few weeks and months, one night at the O2 Arena would have been enough.
I agree that would be a sensible move.
PJ have always attracted big numbers in London and I'm highly confident demand is still there. They just need to take the lessons from a) ticket prices, b) timing of the announcement and c) avoiding big date clashes (like Glastonbury and Green Day at Wembley)
They'd better start with one night at the O2 Arena. As soon as it's sold out and the ticket rush is measurably huge, you can activate the second night. Just like others do. Nothing wrong with that. If you think back to the number of empty seats at Tottenham Stadium in the first few weeks and months, one night at the O2 Arena would have been enough.
I agree that would be a sensible move.
PJ have always attracted big numbers in London and I'm highly confident demand is still there. They just need to take the lessons from a) ticket prices, b) timing of the announcement and c) avoiding big date clashes (like Glastonbury and Green Day at Wembley)
I think playing multiple smaller shows may still cause problems with people who had tickets last time not being able to get them for the return shows. They had still sold well in excess of 40,000 tickets for Tottenham even if it wasn't sold out (I think they were around 50,000 sold). With O2 Arena holding 20,000, 2 nights would not guarantee everyone who bought tickets this year a decent chance at getting them for one of those 2 shows especially when a lot of people will try for both nights. They could always go for 3 nights at the O2 but that still creates problems with some days being higher demand than others and more casual fans who were expecting a hits setlist at Tottenham this year potentially getting booked on a night where they play more deep cuts (there were a *LOT* of complaints about night 2 at Hyde Park not including enough hits after most were played on night 1 in 2022, especially given that night 2 fell on a Saturday when more casual fans had booked tickets)
Whilst personally I would prefer to see them in a smaller indoor show I think the best solution in terms of being fair to those who had tickets last time would be to play Tottenham (or a similar sized venue) again with everyone who had tickets last time being given priority. Then, as you say, maybe look at lowering prices and/or not booking on a date that clashes with other big events to help sell the remaining tickets.
2012 - Manchester (UK) 12 Jun - Manchester (UK) 13 Jun 2014 - Amsterdam (NL) 16 Jun - Amsterdam (NL) 17 Jun - Leeds (UK) 8 Jul - Milton Keynes (UK) 11 Jul 2017 - Rio de Janeiro (BR) 21 Mar 2018 - London (UK) 18 Jun - London (UK) 19 Jun - London (UK) 17 Jul 2022 - Vienna (AT) 20 July - Prague (CZ) 22 July - London (UK) 8 Jul - London (UK) 9 Jul 2024 - Manchester (UK) 25 Jun - London (UK) 29 Jun - Lisbon (PT) 13 Jul
They'd better start with one night at the O2 Arena. As soon as it's sold out and the ticket rush is measurably huge, you can activate the second night. Just like others do. Nothing wrong with that. If you think back to the number of empty seats at Tottenham Stadium in the first few weeks and months, one night at the O2 Arena would have been enough.
I agree that would be a sensible move.
PJ have always attracted big numbers in London and I'm highly confident demand is still there. They just need to take the lessons from a) ticket prices, b) timing of the announcement and c) avoiding big date clashes (like Glastonbury and Green Day at Wembley)
I think playing multiple smaller shows may still cause problems with people who had tickets last time not being able to get them for the return shows. They had still sold well in excess of 40,000 tickets for Tottenham even if it wasn't sold out (I think they were around 50,000 sold). With O2 Arena holding 20,000, 2 nights would not guarantee everyone who bought tickets this year a decent chance at getting them for one of those 2 shows especially when a lot of people will try for both nights. They could always go for 3 nights at the O2 but that still creates problems with some days being higher demand than others and more casual fans who were expecting a hits setlist at Tottenham this year potentially getting booked on a night where they play more deep cuts (there were a *LOT* of complaints about night 2 at Hyde Park not including enough hits after most were played on night 1 in 2022, especially given that night 2 fell on a Saturday when more casual fans had booked tickets)
Whilst personally I would prefer to see them in a smaller indoor show I think the best solution in terms of being fair to those who had tickets last time would be to play Tottenham (or a similar sized venue) again with everyone who had tickets last time being given priority. Then, as you say, maybe look at lowering prices and/or not booking on a date that clashes with other big events to help sell the remaining tickets.
Awful venue but an alternative option could be Finsbury Park. Has a capacity of around 40-50,000
2012 - Manchester (UK) 12 Jun - Manchester (UK) 13 Jun 2014 - Amsterdam (NL) 16 Jun - Amsterdam (NL) 17 Jun - Leeds (UK) 8 Jul - Milton Keynes (UK) 11 Jul 2017 - Rio de Janeiro (BR) 21 Mar 2018 - London (UK) 18 Jun - London (UK) 19 Jun - London (UK) 17 Jul 2022 - Vienna (AT) 20 July - Prague (CZ) 22 July - London (UK) 8 Jul - London (UK) 9 Jul 2024 - Manchester (UK) 25 Jun - London (UK) 29 Jun - Lisbon (PT) 13 Jul
What is going on in here? I had 60 unread and this is what I get?!? Haha.
Anyways so the only real rumors are makeups in Europe based on Jeff’s comment and the sphere rumor right? Those are the ones with some legs so far?
I hope they play Boston… again!!
the usual forum noise mostly. A lot if hoping. One actual rumor: The Sphere. Some realization: Pearl Jam Week 2025 sounds like an amazing option. Less cities but amazing venues and 30+ song setlists. The Gorge, Redrocks, Slane Castle, and Hyde Park?! Yes please.
No way they are coming to Europe for just 2 shows it just doesn't make financial sense for a band to invest in all the expense of massive shows in europe to only do 2 of them.
Right, you have a great point, which is why the discussion in the Pearl Jam Week thread mentions that 3 cities per continent might work out best. But since Europe and North America are such big markets, then perhaps 4 shows for each of those would be better.
So the Pearl Jam Week type shows could be something like...
London x 3 (Hyde Park?) Berlin x 3 Amsterdam x 3 Prague x 3
The Gorge x 3 Redrocks x 3 Wrigley x 3 Philly x 3
Not a chance they could ever play 3 nights in Hyde Park. The 2 nights they did in 2022 were not fully sold out so adding a 3rd night would make no sense. They didn't even sell out Tottenham Stadium for one night this year and that has a capacity slightly lower than Hyde Park. Realistically if they are going to play 3 nights in London it could only really be at the O2 Arena which would roughly equal the same ticket sales as one night at Tottenham or Hyde Park.
It's also highly unlikely that BST Festival which puts on the concerts at Hyde Park would invite PJ back so soon after headlining 2 nights in 2022. They book a massively eclectic range of acts ranging through classical to K-pop to rock. So it's not like they have a limited number of acts they can call on to headline like some more specialised festivals.
I suspect that if they are coming back to London it they will try another stadium show either at Tottenham or maybe the Olympic Stadium depending on which is available. Both are roughly equal in size and hold concerts every summer. And although Tottenham didn't sell out this year they would have to assume that the majority who bought tickets this year will still want to go to a re-scheduled date so they need to be able to accommodate that many with a bit of additional capacity so as to not shut out people who didn't book tickets last time but who still want to go next summer.
I agree that 3 nights at Hyde Park is out of the question. I do think that they would definitely be invited back after a 3 year absence though. Personally I'm hoping for 2 nights at the o2 and the possibility of Prague followed by Amsterdam
They'd better start with one night at the O2 Arena. As soon as it's sold out and the ticket rush is measurably huge, you can activate the second night. Just like others do. Nothing wrong with that. If you think back to the number of empty seats at Tottenham Stadium in the first few weeks and months, one night at the O2 Arena would have been enough.
I agree that would be a sensible move.
PJ have always attracted big numbers in London and I'm highly confident demand is still there. They just need to take the lessons from a) ticket prices, b) timing of the announcement and c) avoiding big date clashes (like Glastonbury and Green Day at Wembley)
I think playing multiple smaller shows may still cause problems with people who had tickets last time not being able to get them for the return shows. They had still sold well in excess of 40,000 tickets for Tottenham even if it wasn't sold out (I think they were around 50,000 sold). With O2 Arena holding 20,000, 2 nights would not guarantee everyone who bought tickets this year a decent chance at getting them for one of those 2 shows especially when a lot of people will try for both nights. They could always go for 3 nights at the O2 but that still creates problems with some days being higher demand than others and more casual fans who were expecting a hits setlist at Tottenham this year potentially getting booked on a night where they play more deep cuts (there were a *LOT* of complaints about night 2 at Hyde Park not including enough hits after most were played on night 1 in 2022, especially given that night 2 fell on a Saturday when more casual fans had booked tickets)
Whilst personally I would prefer to see them in a smaller indoor show I think the best solution in terms of being fair to those who had tickets last time would be to play Tottenham (or a similar sized venue) again with everyone who had tickets last time being given priority. Then, as you say, maybe look at lowering prices and/or not booking on a date that clashes with other big events to help sell the remaining tickets.
I don't think you can plan a tour on the basis of keeping casual fans happy. The recent trend of playing 2 shows in the same city with vastly different setlists is bound to continue and so it should. If they play 2 nights at the o2 I'd say at least 25% of the Audience will be at both nights. I'd rather see them sell out straight away than have the desperation we saw at Tottenham in June with them struggling to sell tickets.
They'd better start with one night at the O2 Arena. As soon as it's sold out and the ticket rush is measurably huge, you can activate the second night. Just like others do. Nothing wrong with that. If you think back to the number of empty seats at Tottenham Stadium in the first few weeks and months, one night at the O2 Arena would have been enough.
I agree that would be a sensible move.
PJ have always attracted big numbers in London and I'm highly confident demand is still there. They just need to take the lessons from a) ticket prices, b) timing of the announcement and c) avoiding big date clashes (like Glastonbury and Green Day at Wembley)
I think playing multiple smaller shows may still cause problems with people who had tickets last time not being able to get them for the return shows. They had still sold well in excess of 40,000 tickets for Tottenham even if it wasn't sold out (I think they were around 50,000 sold). With O2 Arena holding 20,000, 2 nights would not guarantee everyone who bought tickets this year a decent chance at getting them for one of those 2 shows especially when a lot of people will try for both nights.
What sources do your numbers come from?
A concert with a classic stage set-up at the North Stand usually has a capacity of 40,000 to 43,000, similar to Red Hot Chili Peppers or Beyoncé.
At the beginning of March 2024, around 16,000 tickets were still available on the South Stand alone. The East and West upper tiers looked similarly depressing. Plus the unknown number of standing tickets still available. At this point, all ticket holders would still have been able to fit into the O2 Arena.
In mid june, there were still around 8,500 seated tickets for sale. This does not include the unknown amount of seated tickets that were held back by Ticketmaster, nor the unknown amount of standing tickets that were still available in the gigantic inner area of the stadium. So it is not unlikely that - caution, pure speculation - around 10,000 to 12,000 tickets were not sold until mid june.
Reading through these recent posts, it seems that everyone is referring to a standard type of tour. I see the term "casuals" mentioned, and that is not what I was hoping for at all. If there is a "Pearl Jam Week" type of show, I'm pretty sure that Hyde Park should be able to sell out 3 nights. Unless the hardcore Pearl Jam fans wouldn't travel to go see a show like this?
Maybe I'm dreaming. But it's quite a great dream to imagine a 3 night performance with 30+ song setlists, and rare gem songs. Please not another greatest hits "casual" fan tour in 2025. We just had that in 2024. I'd like to think that there are hardcore Pearl Jam fans in Europe, and North America, that would be willing to travel to see a Pearl Jam Week performance, which aligns to the "legendary" type of performances that many fans are hopeful for.
They'd better start with one night at the O2 Arena. As soon as it's sold out and the ticket rush is measurably huge, you can activate the second night. Just like others do. Nothing wrong with that. If you think back to the number of empty seats at Tottenham Stadium in the first few weeks and months, one night at the O2 Arena would have been enough.
I agree that would be a sensible move.
PJ have always attracted big numbers in London and I'm highly confident demand is still there. They just need to take the lessons from a) ticket prices, b) timing of the announcement and c) avoiding big date clashes (like Glastonbury and Green Day at Wembley)
I think playing multiple smaller shows may still cause problems with people who had tickets last time not being able to get them for the return shows. They had still sold well in excess of 40,000 tickets for Tottenham even if it wasn't sold out (I think they were around 50,000 sold). With O2 Arena holding 20,000, 2 nights would not guarantee everyone who bought tickets this year a decent chance at getting them for one of those 2 shows especially when a lot of people will try for both nights. They could always go for 3 nights at the O2 but that still creates problems with some days being higher demand than others and more casual fans who were expecting a hits setlist at Tottenham this year potentially getting booked on a night where they play more deep cuts (there were a *LOT* of complaints about night 2 at Hyde Park not including enough hits after most were played on night 1 in 2022, especially given that night 2 fell on a Saturday when more casual fans had booked tickets)
Whilst personally I would prefer to see them in a smaller indoor show I think the best solution in terms of being fair to those who had tickets last time would be to play Tottenham (or a similar sized venue) again with everyone who had tickets last time being given priority. Then, as you say, maybe look at lowering prices and/or not booking on a date that clashes with other big events to help sell the remaining tickets.
The recent trend of playing 2 shows in the same city with vastly different setlist..
They'd better start with one night at the O2 Arena. As soon as it's sold out and the ticket rush is measurably huge, you can activate the second night. Just like others do. Nothing wrong with that. If you think back to the number of empty seats at Tottenham Stadium in the first few weeks and months, one night at the O2 Arena would have been enough.
I agree that would be a sensible move.
PJ have always attracted big numbers in London and I'm highly confident demand is still there. They just need to take the lessons from a) ticket prices, b) timing of the announcement and c) avoiding big date clashes (like Glastonbury and Green Day at Wembley)
I think playing multiple smaller shows may still cause problems with people who had tickets last time not being able to get them for the return shows. They had still sold well in excess of 40,000 tickets for Tottenham even if it wasn't sold out (I think they were around 50,000 sold). With O2 Arena holding 20,000, 2 nights would not guarantee everyone who bought tickets this year a decent chance at getting them for one of those 2 shows especially when a lot of people will try for both nights. They could always go for 3 nights at the O2 but that still creates problems with some days being higher demand than others and more casual fans who were expecting a hits setlist at Tottenham this year potentially getting booked on a night where they play more deep cuts (there were a *LOT* of complaints about night 2 at Hyde Park not including enough hits after most were played on night 1 in 2022, especially given that night 2 fell on a Saturday when more casual fans had booked tickets)
Whilst personally I would prefer to see them in a smaller indoor show I think the best solution in terms of being fair to those who had tickets last time would be to play Tottenham (or a similar sized venue) again with everyone who had tickets last time being given priority. Then, as you say, maybe look at lowering prices and/or not booking on a date that clashes with other big events to help sell the remaining tickets.
I don't think you can plan a tour on the basis of keeping casual fans happy. The recent trend of playing 2 shows in the same city with vastly different setlists is bound to continue and so it should. If they play 2 nights at the o2 I'd say at least 25% of the Audience will be at both nights. I'd rather see them sell out straight away than have the desperation we saw at Tottenham in June with them struggling to sell tickets.
Ultimately if they want to be playing big stadiums and festivals they have to keep the casual fans happy. Whilst I am sure the hardcore fans would happily see PJ playing exclusively indoor venues around 15-20k in capacity that is a fanbase that isn't getting any younger. Any band who wants to keep touring needs to maintain a reasonable level of interest from casual fans and converting them into more hardcore fans. Going to the same well of fans who go to every single show is always going to provide diminishing returns as those fans will always gradually drift away and die off over time, that's just life.
2012 - Manchester (UK) 12 Jun - Manchester (UK) 13 Jun 2014 - Amsterdam (NL) 16 Jun - Amsterdam (NL) 17 Jun - Leeds (UK) 8 Jul - Milton Keynes (UK) 11 Jul 2017 - Rio de Janeiro (BR) 21 Mar 2018 - London (UK) 18 Jun - London (UK) 19 Jun - London (UK) 17 Jul 2022 - Vienna (AT) 20 July - Prague (CZ) 22 July - London (UK) 8 Jul - London (UK) 9 Jul 2024 - Manchester (UK) 25 Jun - London (UK) 29 Jun - Lisbon (PT) 13 Jul
They'd better start with one night at the O2 Arena. As soon as it's sold out and the ticket rush is measurably huge, you can activate the second night. Just like others do. Nothing wrong with that. If you think back to the number of empty seats at Tottenham Stadium in the first few weeks and months, one night at the O2 Arena would have been enough.
I agree that would be a sensible move.
PJ have always attracted big numbers in London and I'm highly confident demand is still there. They just need to take the lessons from a) ticket prices, b) timing of the announcement and c) avoiding big date clashes (like Glastonbury and Green Day at Wembley)
I think playing multiple smaller shows may still cause problems with people who had tickets last time not being able to get them for the return shows. They had still sold well in excess of 40,000 tickets for Tottenham even if it wasn't sold out (I think they were around 50,000 sold). With O2 Arena holding 20,000, 2 nights would not guarantee everyone who bought tickets this year a decent chance at getting them for one of those 2 shows especially when a lot of people will try for both nights. They could always go for 3 nights at the O2 but that still creates problems with some days being higher demand than others and more casual fans who were expecting a hits setlist at Tottenham this year potentially getting booked on a night where they play more deep cuts (there were a *LOT* of complaints about night 2 at Hyde Park not including enough hits after most were played on night 1 in 2022, especially given that night 2 fell on a Saturday when more casual fans had booked tickets)
Whilst personally I would prefer to see them in a smaller indoor show I think the best solution in terms of being fair to those who had tickets last time would be to play Tottenham (or a similar sized venue) again with everyone who had tickets last time being given priority. Then, as you say, maybe look at lowering prices and/or not booking on a date that clashes with other big events to help sell the remaining tickets.
I don't think you can plan a tour on the basis of keeping casual fans happy. The recent trend of playing 2 shows in the same city with vastly different setlists is bound to continue and so it should. If they play 2 nights at the o2 I'd say at least 25% of the Audience will be at both nights. I'd rather see them sell out straight away than have the desperation we saw at Tottenham in June with them struggling to sell tickets.
Ultimately if they want to be playing big stadiums and festivals they have to keep the casual fans happy. Whilst I am sure the hardcore fans would happily see PJ playing exclusively indoor venues around 15-20k in capacity that is a fanbase that isn't getting any younger. Any band who wants to keep touring needs to maintain a reasonable level of interest from casual fans and converting them into more hardcore fans. Going to the same well of fans who go to every single show is always going to provide diminishing returns as those fans will always gradually drift away and die off over time, that's just life.
In America they rarely to play to more than 25.000 and the festivals aren't an issue because you don't need die hards to sell a festival. The days of stadiums in Europe are over though, I'd be surprised of they tried to do Tottenham or another stadium again. Could see Hyde park though.
You say the fanbase isn't getting any younger but the band is older than most of the fanbase.
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2014 - Amsterdam (NL) 16 Jun - Amsterdam (NL) 17 Jun - Leeds (UK) 8 Jul - Milton Keynes (UK) 11 Jul
2017 - Rio de Janeiro (BR) 21 Mar
2018 - London (UK) 18 Jun - London (UK) 19 Jun - London (UK) 17 Jul
2022 - Vienna (AT) 20 July - Prague (CZ) 22 July - London (UK) 8 Jul - London (UK) 9 Jul
2024 - Manchester (UK) 25 Jun - London (UK) 29 Jun - Lisbon (PT) 13 Jul
Ohana (USA) 27 Sep 2024
Ohana (USA) 29 Sep 2024
The sensible thing to to would be to at least play re-scheduled dates for the cancelled shows from both 2024 and 2022. That would be London, Berlin x2, Vienna, Prague and Amsterdam.
Throw a couple of festival dates on that list and thats basically a full Euro summer tour for PJ.
2014 - Amsterdam (NL) 16 Jun - Amsterdam (NL) 17 Jun - Leeds (UK) 8 Jul - Milton Keynes (UK) 11 Jul
2017 - Rio de Janeiro (BR) 21 Mar
2018 - London (UK) 18 Jun - London (UK) 19 Jun - London (UK) 17 Jul
2022 - Vienna (AT) 20 July - Prague (CZ) 22 July - London (UK) 8 Jul - London (UK) 9 Jul
2024 - Manchester (UK) 25 Jun - London (UK) 29 Jun - Lisbon (PT) 13 Jul
Ohana (USA) 27 Sep 2024
Ohana (USA) 29 Sep 2024
Berlin x2
Copenhagen on June 29 (25 years of roskilde)
Werchter Festival , Belgium
Vienna
Prague
Amsterdam x2
thats your euro 2025 tour right there
So the Pearl Jam Week type shows could be something like...
London x 3 (Hyde Park?)
Berlin x 3
Amsterdam x 3
Prague x 3
The Gorge x 3
Redrocks x 3
Wrigley x 3
Philly x 3
maybe this is still their walkout). I think I will look back on those shows as some of my all time favorites.
It's also highly unlikely that BST Festival which puts on the concerts at Hyde Park would invite PJ back so soon after headlining 2 nights in 2022. They book a massively eclectic range of acts ranging through classical to K-pop to rock. So it's not like they have a limited number of acts they can call on to headline like some more specialised festivals.
I suspect that if they are coming back to London it they will try another stadium show either at Tottenham or maybe the Olympic Stadium depending on which is available. Both are roughly equal in size and hold concerts every summer. And although Tottenham didn't sell out this year they would have to assume that the majority who bought tickets this year will still want to go to a re-scheduled date so they need to be able to accommodate that many with a bit of additional capacity so as to not shut out people who didn't book tickets last time but who still want to go next summer.
2014 - Amsterdam (NL) 16 Jun - Amsterdam (NL) 17 Jun - Leeds (UK) 8 Jul - Milton Keynes (UK) 11 Jul
2017 - Rio de Janeiro (BR) 21 Mar
2018 - London (UK) 18 Jun - London (UK) 19 Jun - London (UK) 17 Jul
2022 - Vienna (AT) 20 July - Prague (CZ) 22 July - London (UK) 8 Jul - London (UK) 9 Jul
2024 - Manchester (UK) 25 Jun - London (UK) 29 Jun - Lisbon (PT) 13 Jul
Ohana (USA) 27 Sep 2024
Ohana (USA) 29 Sep 2024
PJ have always attracted big numbers in London and I'm highly confident demand is still there. They just need to take the lessons from a) ticket prices, b) timing of the announcement and c) avoiding big date clashes (like Glastonbury and Green Day at Wembley)
Whilst personally I would prefer to see them in a smaller indoor show I think the best solution in terms of being fair to those who had tickets last time would be to play Tottenham (or a similar sized venue) again with everyone who had tickets last time being given priority. Then, as you say, maybe look at lowering prices and/or not booking on a date that clashes with other big events to help sell the remaining tickets.
2014 - Amsterdam (NL) 16 Jun - Amsterdam (NL) 17 Jun - Leeds (UK) 8 Jul - Milton Keynes (UK) 11 Jul
2017 - Rio de Janeiro (BR) 21 Mar
2018 - London (UK) 18 Jun - London (UK) 19 Jun - London (UK) 17 Jul
2022 - Vienna (AT) 20 July - Prague (CZ) 22 July - London (UK) 8 Jul - London (UK) 9 Jul
2024 - Manchester (UK) 25 Jun - London (UK) 29 Jun - Lisbon (PT) 13 Jul
Ohana (USA) 27 Sep 2024
Ohana (USA) 29 Sep 2024
2014 - Amsterdam (NL) 16 Jun - Amsterdam (NL) 17 Jun - Leeds (UK) 8 Jul - Milton Keynes (UK) 11 Jul
2017 - Rio de Janeiro (BR) 21 Mar
2018 - London (UK) 18 Jun - London (UK) 19 Jun - London (UK) 17 Jul
2022 - Vienna (AT) 20 July - Prague (CZ) 22 July - London (UK) 8 Jul - London (UK) 9 Jul
2024 - Manchester (UK) 25 Jun - London (UK) 29 Jun - Lisbon (PT) 13 Jul
Ohana (USA) 27 Sep 2024
Ohana (USA) 29 Sep 2024
I do think that they would definitely be invited back after a 3 year absence though.
Personally I'm hoping for 2 nights at the o2 and the possibility of Prague followed by Amsterdam
The recent trend of playing 2 shows in the same city with vastly different setlists is bound to continue and so it should.
If they play 2 nights at the o2 I'd say at least 25% of the Audience will be at both nights.
I'd rather see them sell out straight away than have the desperation we saw at Tottenham in June with them struggling to sell tickets.
A concert with a classic stage set-up at the North Stand usually has a capacity of 40,000 to 43,000, similar to Red Hot Chili Peppers or Beyoncé.
At the beginning of March 2024, around 16,000 tickets were still available on the South Stand alone. The East and West upper tiers looked similarly depressing. Plus the unknown number of standing tickets still available. At this point, all ticket holders would still have been able to fit into the O2 Arena.
In mid june, there were still around 8,500 seated tickets for sale. This does not include the unknown amount of seated tickets that were held back by Ticketmaster, nor the unknown amount of standing tickets that were still available in the gigantic inner area of the stadium. So it is not unlikely that - caution, pure speculation - around 10,000 to 12,000 tickets were not sold until mid june.
I would say the O2 Arena is a good choice.
i wish i wish i wish i wish, i guess it never stops
Maybe I'm dreaming. But it's quite a great dream to imagine a 3 night performance with 30+ song setlists, and rare gem songs. Please not another greatest hits "casual" fan tour in 2025. We just had that in 2024. I'd like to think that there are hardcore Pearl Jam fans in Europe, and North America, that would be willing to travel to see a Pearl Jam Week performance, which aligns to the "legendary" type of performances that many fans are hopeful for.
2014 - Amsterdam (NL) 16 Jun - Amsterdam (NL) 17 Jun - Leeds (UK) 8 Jul - Milton Keynes (UK) 11 Jul
2017 - Rio de Janeiro (BR) 21 Mar
2018 - London (UK) 18 Jun - London (UK) 19 Jun - London (UK) 17 Jul
2022 - Vienna (AT) 20 July - Prague (CZ) 22 July - London (UK) 8 Jul - London (UK) 9 Jul
2024 - Manchester (UK) 25 Jun - London (UK) 29 Jun - Lisbon (PT) 13 Jul
Ohana (USA) 27 Sep 2024
Ohana (USA) 29 Sep 2024
The days of stadiums in Europe are over though, I'd be surprised of they tried to do Tottenham or another stadium again.
Could see Hyde park though.
You say the fanbase isn't getting any younger but the band is older than most of the fanbase.