The Official 2025 Tour Rumor Thread

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  • seanclaxseanclax Posts: 561
    pdalowsky said:
    They would sell out two nights at the 02 very very easily IMO. absolutely no doubt in my mind. 
    Yep. Would sell out very easily. Even with 2024 prices.
  • Zen23Zen23 Posts: 476
    pdalowsky said:
    They would sell out two nights at the 02 very very easily IMO. absolutely no doubt in my mind. 
    Not for a uniform price of 160 GBP up to the upper tier. We learned that this year. 
  • Zen23Zen23 Posts: 476
    pdalowsky said:
    They would sell out two nights at the 02 very very easily IMO. absolutely no doubt in my mind. 
    Not for a uniform price of 160 GBP up to the upper tier. We learned that this year.
  • vedpunkvedpunk Posts: 919
    seanclax said:
    In America they rarely to play to more than 25.000 and the festivals aren't an issue because you don't need die hards to sell a festival.
    The days of stadiums in Europe are over though, I'd be surprised of they tried to do Tottenham or another stadium again.
    Could see Hyde park though.

    You say the fanbase isn't getting any younger but the band is older than most of the fanbase.
    They are about to play a US tour leg with 5 shows over 25k capacity. (6 if you add Indy which is 24k) The demand in many US markets is still very strong.  
  • pdalowskypdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,085
    Zen23 said:
    Not for a uniform price of 160 GBP up to the upper tier. We learned that this year. 
    I think it would, London is a huge market, and a non stadium show is massive there
  • seanclaxseanclax Posts: 561
    edited July 2024
    vedpunk said:
    They are about to play a US tour leg with 5 shows over 25k capacity. (6 if you add Indy which is 24k) The demand in many US markets is still very strong.  
    Yeah and they sell well because it's not much more than a big arena.
    They don't do the nfl stadiums that some bands do. In Europe they should stick to arenas, festivals and venues like the one in Berlin.
    There never gonna sell out wembley/Tottenham etc.
    And quite frankly I'm happy about that, they're great in arenas.
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  • seanclaxseanclax Posts: 561
    pdalowsky said:
    I think it would, London is a huge market, and a non stadium show is massive there
    I can't see why they wouldn't sell out 2 shows at the o2.
    I know I'd do both nights 
  • seanclax said:
    You say the fanbase isn't getting any younger but the band is older than most of the fanbase.
    That's true of pretty much any band that's bee around for more than about 10 years.

    The fact is fans drift away as they get older, the age of the band members is irrelevant because they are touring as a job. Fans go to shows for leisure and as people get older they accumulate more commitments that pull them away from shows. Jobs, children, saving money for retirement,  etc become bigger priorities for people in their 40s and 50s than for those in their teens and 20s. People who may have gone to several shows in their 20s may only go to one or two shows when they get older as they have other commitments and by that point have seen that many shows when the band was still in their prime that there just isn't the same level of attraction anymore for many.

    The bands who have successfully been selling out stadium shows for decades longer than PJ are the ones who have managed to consistently converting casual fans and bringing through new generations of fans. 
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  • seanclaxseanclax Posts: 561
    tomccfc87 said:
    That's true of pretty much any band that's bee around for more than about 10 years.

    The fact is fans drift away as they get older, the age of the band members is irrelevant because they are touring as a job. Fans go to shows for leisure and as people get older they accumulate more commitments that pull them away from shows. Jobs, children, saving money for retirement,  etc become bigger priorities for people in their 40s and 50s than for those in their teens and 20s. People who may have gone to several shows in their 20s may only go to one or two shows when they get older as they have other commitments and by that point have seen that many shows when the band was still in their prime that there just isn't the same level of attraction anymore for many.

    The bands who have successfully been selling out stadium shows for decades longer than PJ are the ones who have managed to consistently converting casual fans and bringing through new generations of fans. 
    Apart from baseball stadiums pearl jam don't sell out stadiums.
    It's not thier thing.
    On the contrary I've met many people who have retired and now go to many more pearl jam shows then they did when they were younger.
    People in their 20s are not going to multiple shows, especially with this years tickets prices. 
    Most of the young people who attend shows go with older people that got them into the band in the first place.

    You seem to think the band clamour to sell out stadiums around the world when in reality they seem content with the venues they are playing now.
    Hence why they go back to the same venues alot.

  • drfoxdrfox Posts: 1,359
    seanclax said:
    Apart from baseball stadiums pearl jam don't sell out stadiums.
    It's not thier thing.
    On the contrary I've met many people who have retired and now go to many more pearl jam shows then they did when they were younger.
    People in their 20s are not going to multiple shows, especially with this years tickets prices. 
    Most of the young people who attend shows go with older people that got them into the band in the first place.

    You seem to think the band clamour to sell out stadiums around the world when in reality they seem content with the venues they are playing now.
    Hence why they go back to the same venues alot.

    Many people take a break from going to concerts when they have young children. Having been to lots of concerts of bands from the grunge, britpop and 2000s rock eras, I have found that most fans at concerts seem to be in their 20s and early-mid 40s and above. There always seems fewer people in their 30s. I struggled to go to see bands in this period (2012-2020) due to childcare and I speak to lots of people who have similar experiences and are now really going back to loads of concerts now the children are a bit older. Lots of the 2000s band have struggled a bit recently ticket wise (Kings of Leon, Libertines etc) as their fans are mainly in their mid 30s to early 40s and have childcare issues. 
  • seanclaxseanclax Posts: 561
    drfox said:
    Many people take a break from going to concerts when they have young children. Having been to lots of concerts of bands from the grunge, britpop and 2000s rock eras, I have found that most fans at concerts seem to be in their 20s and early-mid 40s and above. There always seems fewer people in their 30s. I struggled to go to see bands in this period (2012-2020) due to childcare and I speak to lots of people who have similar experiences and are now really going back to loads of concerts now the children are a bit older. Lots of the 2000s band have struggled a bit recently ticket wise (Kings of Leon, Libertines etc) as their fans are mainly in their mid 30s to early 40s and have childcare issues. 
    I agree with the 30s people being absent for good reason.
    I'm also at the end of this now.
    Most of the people I met in the ques this summer were 40plus.
    Pearl jam have got 10plus years on the bands you mentioned though which is why I made my original point of them not needing to cater to casual fans to sell tickets.
    I can't see the day where they can't at least sell out an arena in london for one night.

  • tomccfc87tomccfc87 Posts: 68
    edited August 2024
    seanclax said:
    Apart from baseball stadiums pearl jam don't sell out stadiums.
    It's not thier thing.
    On the contrary I've met many people who have retired and now go to many more pearl jam shows then they did when they were younger.
    People in their 20s are not going to multiple shows, especially with this years tickets prices. 
    Most of the young people who attend shows go with older people that got them into the band in the first place.

    You seem to think the band clamour to sell out stadiums around the world when in reality they seem content with the venues they are playing now.
    Hence why they go back to the same venues alot.

    The fact is in outside of the USA they were regularly playing massive outdoor stadium shows until recently. 9 of 23 venues on their 2018 tour were stadium shows, 7 were festivals with only, 1 was a non-stadium outdoor show and only 6 were indoor arenas. So it's completely disingenuous to say that stadium shows are not their thing when only 2 world tours ago they made up the biggest proportion of their tour.

    And whilst younger people may not earn as much as older people they also have less financial commitments than older people. They are often still living at home with parents or splitting rent and bills with multiple roommates, no kids to feed, unlikely they have a long expensive daily commute to pay for, the majority of their income is disposable. They can also book tickets further in advance because they know they won't have to worry about things like childcare or an important meeting coming up at work. Older working age people also just have generally busier lives and often don't have the energy or patience to deal with the hassle of travelling to concerts as regularly. A 21yr old working a minimum wage job can easily go to a show, have a few drinks get home in the early hours of the morning and still go to work the following morning knowing even if they are tired/hungover from the night before it's not really a problem as minimum wage jobs are generally low responsibility roles. A 40-50yr old generally won't recover as well the next day and will likely be in a job that's harder to do when hungover/sleep deprived. I doubt there is a single person over the age of 40 who hasn't skipped a concert because they don't want to be out late on a work night. This is why 21-25 is statistically the biggest age demographic for the live music industry in terms of ticket sales.
    Post edited by tomccfc87 on
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  • seanclaxseanclax Posts: 561
    tomccfc87 said:
    The fact is in outside of the USA they were regularly playing massive outdoor stadium shows until recently. 9 of 23 venues on their 2018 tour were stadium shows, 7 were festivals with only, 1 was a non-stadium outdoor show and only 6 were indoor arenas. So it's completely disingenuous to say that stadium shows are not their thing when only 2 world tours ago they made up the biggest proportion of their tour.

    And whilst younger people may not earn as much as older people they also have less financial commitments than older people. They are often still living at home with parents or splitting rent and bills with multiple roommates, no kids to feed, unlikely they have a long expensive daily commute to pay for, the majority of their income is disposable. They can also book tickets further in advance because they know they won't have to worry about things like childcare or an important meeting coming up at work. Older working age people also just have generally busier lives and often don't have the energy or patience to deal with the hassle of travelling to concerts as regularly. A 21yr old working a minimum wage job can easily go to a show, have a few drinks get home in the early hours of the morning and still go to work the following morning knowing even if they are tired/hungover from the night before it's not really a problem as minimum wage jobs are generally low responsibility roles. A 40-50yr old generally won't recover as well the next day and will likely be in a job that's harder to do when hungover/sleep deprived. I doubt there is a single person over the age of 40 who hasn't skipped a concert because they don't want to be out late on a work night. This is why 21-25 is statistically the biggest age demographic for the live music industry in terms of ticket sales.
    The 2018 euro tour had 2 stadium shows. Both in Italy which they've always had a huge following.
    An awful lot has changed since 2018.
    They've always been a big draw with festivals in Europe which will surely continue but after the shitshow that was Tottenham I can't see them doing another stadium outside of Italy in Europe.
    2 nights in any arena they choose seems more viable.

    And as for your essay on the difference between old and young people financially I don't think your educating anyone in that regard.

    I can't recall the amount of over 50s I've meet in the last 2 euro tours that have been to most shows on the tour.
    These are the people queuing up early.
    Didn't meet a 20yo doing the same.
    My point of them not needing to cater to casual fans to be able to tour anywhere in the world they choose is still valid in my opinion.

  • KwienekeKwieneke Indiana Posts: 1,807
    as a 25 year old myself I feel like I don't see a ton of fans my age. i do see a lot of kids i assume are between 10-20 though.  Hitting 4 shows this year!
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  • tomccfc87tomccfc87 Posts: 68
    edited August 2024

    I can't recall the amount of over 50s I've meet in the last 2 euro tours that have been to most shows on the tour.
    These are the people queuing up early.
    Didn't meet a 20yo doing the same.
    My point of them not needing to cater to casual fans to be able to tour anywhere in the world they choose is still valid in my opinion.

    You realise you have just proved my point for me there, right?

    PJ catering to the older fans demographic and ignoring the younger more casual fans is the exact reason they playing shorter tours and struggling to sell out bigger shows. In the live music industry catering specifically to an aging fan base will always result in ever-diminishing returns.

    And if you consider one short paragraph to be an "essay" I suggest you develop your reading skills, or maybe get checked for ADHD
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  • seanclaxseanclax Posts: 561
    tomccfc87 said:
    You realise you have just proved my point for me there, right?

    PJ catering to the older fans demographic and ignoring the younger more casual fans is the exact reason they playing shorter tours and struggling to sell out bigger shows. In the live music industry catering specifically to an aging fan base will always result in ever-diminishing returns.

    And if you consider one short paragraph to be an "essay" I suggest you develop your reading skills, or maybe get checked for ADHD
    I don't know what you expect from the band but I am sure that the reason for shorter tours has nothing to do with the fact that they're ignoring younger fans lol.
    I'm pretty sure they've made a career of doing whatever they want and if them playing smaller venues (o2) instead of trying to sell out a stadium in a country where they have never played a stadium before is the consequence of that then I'm all for it.

    And as for my reading skills the fact that you have edit every post you make means you might want to take your own advice.

    I'm looking forward to an arena/Waldbühne tour next year.
  • seanclaxseanclax Posts: 561
    Kwieneke said:
    as a 25 year old myself I feel like I don't see a ton of fans my age. i do see a lot of kids i assume are between 10-20 though.  Hitting 4 shows this year!
    100% and its nice to see youngsters at the gigs.
    It's the parents who are paying for those tickets though.
    Which will help for future tours.
    Enjoy your shows 🤙
  • demetriosdemetrios Posts: 93,410
    3 nights @ Massey Hall, Toronto please. 

    Or .. 3 nights anywhere in Atlantic Canada.  
  • drfoxdrfox Posts: 1,359
    I see that some bands are already starting to announce U.K. shows for the busy June/July period in 2025. Fontaines DC announced today….

    Fingers crossed if we get some PJ shows (which we all want!) they don’t leave it to February again.

  • seanclaxseanclax Posts: 561
    drfox said:
    I see that some bands are already starting to announce U.K. shows for the busy June/July period in 2025. Fontaines DC announced today….

    Fingers crossed if we get some PJ shows (which we all want!) they don’t leave it to February again.

    Before Christmas would be nice.
  • demetriosdemetrios Posts: 93,410
    There’s no way they go back to Europe without playing Greece again

    I know right? Would love to see Pearl Jam play in Greece next summer. 
  • SpunkieSpunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 6,754
    ^ Ed in grease sounds like a dream come true.

  • demetrios said:

    I know right? Would love to see Pearl Jam play in Greece next summer. 
    I would be all in on an Athens, Zagreb, Florence, Milan, Marseille run. That 2006 Europe run was peak PJ
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  • deb1211deb1211 Posts: 1,712
    Spunkie said:
    ^ Ed in grease sounds like a dream come true.

    Yes please
  • Go AnimalGo Animal Posts: 6,118
    Spunkie said:
    ^ Ed in grease sounds like a dream come true.

    OH, I GET IT NOW
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  • SpunkieSpunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 6,754
    Sure about that
  • risrisrisris Posts: 83
    demetrios said:

    I know right? Would love to see Pearl Jam play in Greece next summer. 
    Man what a reason to get back to the homeland and stuff my face full of gyros, tyropita, and lamb
  • PapPap Serres, Greece Posts: 29,211
    risris said:
    Man what a reason to get back to the homeland and stuff my face full of gyros, tyropita, and lamb
    :smiley:
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  • drfox said:
    I see that some bands are already starting to announce U.K. shows for the busy June/July period in 2025. Fontaines DC announced today….

    Fingers crossed if we get some PJ shows (which we all want!) they don’t leave it to February again.

    Most big outdoor shows are usually booked about 12-18 months in advance as the outdoor venues usually have very strict limits on how many concerts they can get an events licence for in any given. Even if the show isn't publicly announced until around 6 months before the event the venue will have been booked over a year in advance. With the available slots for these shows being limited the best chance of seeing PJ playing an outdoor show in the UK next year might be if they get booked to headline a festival like IoW, BST, Reading/Leeds, Download, etc

    Of those I think it might be too soon for them to return to BST again after 2022. Reading/Leeds is no longer really a rock festival so are unlikely to book a legacy grunge act as a headliner. The guy who books the Download line-up has said in the past that PJ are a dream headliner for him but the fact he has failed to book them once in over 20 years would suggest PJ just don't want to play there or Download are not willing to pay the fee that PJ are asking. PJ last headlined IoW in 2012 and is probably the best fit for PJ in terms of the kind of line-up they usually tend to book.

    Of course it's possible that they may have had a reserve 2025 date booked at Tottenham in case of cancellation when they booked this years show and will return their next year. Or that another outdoor slot somewhere becomes available because some other as yet unannounced show falls through and creates some availability. 
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  • seanclaxseanclax Posts: 561
    tomccfc87 said:
    Most big outdoor shows are usually booked about 12-18 months in advance as the outdoor venues usually have very strict limits on how many concerts they can get an events licence for in any given. Even if the show isn't publicly announced until around 6 months before the event the venue will have been booked over a year in advance. With the available slots for these shows being limited the best chance of seeing PJ playing an outdoor show in the UK next year might be if they get booked to headline a festival like IoW, BST, Reading/Leeds, Download, etc

    Of those I think it might be too soon for them to return to BST again after 2022. Reading/Leeds is no longer really a rock festival so are unlikely to book a legacy grunge act as a headliner. The guy who books the Download line-up has said in the past that PJ are a dream headliner for him but the fact he has failed to book them once in over 20 years would suggest PJ just don't want to play there or Download are not willing to pay the fee that PJ are asking. PJ last headlined IoW in 2012 and is probably the best fit for PJ in terms of the kind of line-up they usually tend to book.

    Of course it's possible that they may have had a reserve 2025 date booked at Tottenham in case of cancellation when they booked this years show and will return their next year. Or that another outdoor slot somewhere becomes available because some other as yet unannounced show falls through and creates some availability. 
    I don't think money would be an issue when it comes to download festival. Metallica have headlined many times and I'm sure they would charge more than pj. Personally I'd hate to see the boys at download, I don't think the crowd would be into it.
    If it's not Hyde park next year then they should do 2 nights at the o2.
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