I dont think they would ever "quit" the band. I think they will continue to play, as wanted, and as needed. I am thinking they will continue to operate as a group until one of the group is no longer around anymore. I think they would just accommodate any members. They only want to do 10 shows? Fine, we do 10 shows. We only want to do an EP or something acoustic? fine, we do that. Maybe they retire some songs due to difficulty to sing or play (Blood, Leash, STBC, etc).
But I think they will continue to be Pearl Jam and continue to do some stuff as Pearl Jam until one of them no longer can or isnt around.
I'm not even convinced that would stop them. Josh seems like he's in there to be a sub if needed
It certainly possible. That said, if one of the main 5 were to "quit" for whatever reason (or if time caught up with them), I would be surprised if they did anything as Pearl Jam after that. Maybe some tribute concerts, etc. Not sure.
I dont think they would ever "quit" the band. I think they will continue to play, as wanted, and as needed. I am thinking they will continue to operate as a group until one of the group is no longer around anymore. I think they would just accommodate any members. They only want to do 10 shows? Fine, we do 10 shows. We only want to do an EP or something acoustic? fine, we do that. Maybe they retire some songs due to difficulty to sing or play (Blood, Leash, STBC, etc).
But I think they will continue to be Pearl Jam and continue to do some stuff as Pearl Jam until one of them no longer can or isnt around.
I'm not even convinced that would stop them. Josh seems like he's in there to be a sub if needed
It certainly possible. That said, if one of the main 5 were to "quit" for whatever reason (or if time caught up with them), I would be surprised if they did anything as Pearl Jam after that. Maybe some tribute concerts, etc. Not sure.
If PJ does stint at the Sphere I think they are officially phoning it in.
Your use of the word "officially" here suggests that you think that there's some real probability that they are currently, unofficially "phoning it in." Is that what you think?
Yeah, I do think they are at the end of their touring careers. Do you like to argue just for the sake of arguing?
No, I'm honestly trying to understand where you're coming from because it's so at odds with what I just witnessed and experienced in six cities over a month.
If PJ does stint at the Sphere I think they are officially phoning it in.
Your use of the word "officially" here suggests that you think that there's some real probability that they are currently, unofficially "phoning it in." Is that what you think?
Yeah, I do think they are at the end of their touring careers. Do you like to argue just for the sake of arguing?
While I completely disagree with your position, the answer to your question is an emphatic yes
The funny thing about this response and the remark that preceded it is that I just asked the guy a question. I wasn't even arguing.
If I liked to argue for the sake of arguing, you would see me arguing things that I don't believe. You don't see that.
This is the forum for the Pearl Jam fan club. People, including me, can and do offer thoughtful criticisms of the band, as they should. No one is above reproach (including me). But if people are going to take the position and attitude that Pearl Jam are greedy assholes or that they're phoning it in, they shouldn't be surprised to receive pushback on that in a forum for Pearl Jam fans. Most of us are here because we like Pearl Jam. We like their music. We think they're decent people who've been really good to their fans for decades. We don't understand the cynicism and vitriol that some people here seem to harbor towards them. People are entitled to have that attitude towards them, but a case could be made that if someone is that skeptical of Pearl Jam's motives and/or artistry but insists on remaining in the band's fan club and taking potshots at them, then that is the person who is looking for the argument.
If PJ does stint at the Sphere I think they are officially phoning it in.
Your use of the word "officially" here suggests that you think that there's some real probability that they are currently, unofficially "phoning it in." Is that what you think?
Yeah, I do think they are at the end of their touring careers. Do you like to argue just for the sake of arguing?
While I completely disagree with your position, the answer to your question is an emphatic yes
The funny thing about this response and the remark that preceded it is that I just asked the guy a question. I wasn't even arguing.
If I liked to argue for the sake of arguing, you would see me arguing things that I don't believe. You don't see that.
This is the forum for the Pearl Jam fan club. People, including me, can and do offer thoughtful criticisms of the band, as they should. No one is above reproach (including me). But if people are going to take the position and attitude that Pearl Jam are greedy assholes or that they're phoning it in, they shouldn't be surprised to receive pushback on that in a forum for Pearl Jam fans. Most of us are here because we like Pearl Jam. We like their music. We think they're decent people who've been really good to their fans for decades. We don't understand the cynicism and vitriol that some people here seem to harbor towards them. People are entitled to have that attitude towards them, but a case could be made that if someone is that skeptical of Pearl Jam's motives and/or artistry but insists on remaining in the band's fan club and taking potshots at them, then that is the person who is looking for the argument.
If PJ does stint at the Sphere I think they are officially phoning it in.
Your use of the word "officially" here suggests that you think that there's some real probability that they are currently, unofficially "phoning it in." Is that what you think?
Yeah, I do think they are at the end of their touring careers. Do you like to argue just for the sake of arguing?
While I completely disagree with your position, the answer to your question is an emphatic yes
The funny thing about this response and the remark that preceded it is that I just asked the guy a question. I wasn't even arguing.
If I liked to argue for the sake of arguing, you would see me arguing things that I don't believe. You don't see that.
This is the forum for the Pearl Jam fan club. People, including me, can and do offer thoughtful criticisms of the band, as they should. No one is above reproach (including me). But if people are going to take the position and attitude that Pearl Jam are greedy assholes or that they're phoning it in, they shouldn't be surprised to receive pushback on that in a forum for Pearl Jam fans. Most of us are here because we like Pearl Jam. We like their music. We think they're decent people who've been really good to their fans for decades. We don't understand the cynicism and vitriol that some people here seem to harbor towards them. People are entitled to have that attitude towards them, but a case could be made that if someone is that skeptical of Pearl Jam's motives and/or artistry but insists on remaining in the band's fan club and taking potshots at them, then that is the person who is looking for the argument.
Well, I agree they seem very decent, but to me they’ve meddled in the ticket process far too much and have continually preferred to play where they have buddies and family or just where they want, not necessarily in line with where their fans live, unlike any other band I can recall following in my very long tenure attending shows. Yes they owe us nothing and have earned the right to do what they wish, but that’s not the point in an analysis like this.
and punishing fans forever for a bad fan decision made about not joining a fan club during the infancy of the internet must be one of the most punishing decisions ever by a rock band to its fans. I get rewarding early joiners, but to punish us every show ever tour is insane. Of course a comment like that gets a ton of heat in a place like this. So be it.
If PJ does stint at the Sphere I think they are officially phoning it in.
Your use of the word "officially" here suggests that you think that there's some real probability that they are currently, unofficially "phoning it in." Is that what you think?
Yeah, I do think they are at the end of their touring careers. Do you like to argue just for the sake of arguing?
While I completely disagree with your position, the answer to your question is an emphatic yes
The funny thing about this response and the remark that preceded it is that I just asked the guy a question. I wasn't even arguing.
If I liked to argue for the sake of arguing, you would see me arguing things that I don't believe. You don't see that.
This is the forum for the Pearl Jam fan club. People, including me, can and do offer thoughtful criticisms of the band, as they should. No one is above reproach (including me). But if people are going to take the position and attitude that Pearl Jam are greedy assholes or that they're phoning it in, they shouldn't be surprised to receive pushback on that in a forum for Pearl Jam fans. Most of us are here because we like Pearl Jam. We like their music. We think they're decent people who've been really good to their fans for decades. We don't understand the cynicism and vitriol that some people here seem to harbor towards them. People are entitled to have that attitude towards them, but a case could be made that if someone is that skeptical of Pearl Jam's motives and/or artistry but insists on remaining in the band's fan club and taking potshots at them, then that is the person who is looking for the argument.
Well, I agree they seem very decent, but to me they’ve meddled in the ticket process far too much and have continually preferred to play where they have buddies and family or just where they want, not necessarily in line with where their fans live, unlike any other band I can recall following in my very long tenure attending shows. Yes they owe us nothing and have earned the right to do what they wish, but that’s not the point in an analysis like this.
and punishing fans forever for a bad fan decision made about not joining a fan club during the infancy of the internet must be one of the most punishing decisions ever by a rock band to its fans. I get rewarding early joiners, but to punish us every show ever tour is insane. Of course a comment like that gets a ton of heat in a place like this. So be it.
The only reward for seniority comes if you get tickets in a section with seats. You could have joined in January and gotten GA tickets via the lottery. Your definition of punishment is a bit broad. And you know that one of the reasons why seats were assigned based on seniority was to prevent scalpers from setting up a bunch of new accounts and getting some number of the best seats. To which you'll say "PJ Premium has made that a moot point," but can you imagine the uproar if they just did away with the seniority preference for seat assignments now? There have been a lot of people who complained that they got shut out in the lottery despite their seniority-- even though seniority never had anything to do with whether you get tickets. Another reason why seniority was considered for seat assignments was so that people wouldn't churn their accounts like they do with streaming services. If they got rid of seniority for seat assignments, longtime members would complain that they paid to keep their accounts current in non-touring years for no reason.
What does the infancy of the internet have to do with it? Almost every person with a number below 200,000 joined the Ten Club by mail based on an invitation that was in the liner notes of every album. It is unfortunate for people who were very young or not born yet by 1999 but, again, they have an equal chance to win a GA ticket as someone who joined in 1999 or in 1992, for that matter.
We just see this differently. I see a band that has tried very hard to accommodate a lot of competing interests while consistently doing their best for over 30 years to look out for their fans. You seem to see a bunch of detached, selfish rock stars that don't really care much about their fans. You're entitled to see it that way, but why would you be a fan if that's what you think of them?
If PJ does stint at the Sphere I think they are officially phoning it in.
Your use of the word "officially" here suggests that you think that there's some real probability that they are currently, unofficially "phoning it in." Is that what you think?
Yeah, I do think they are at the end of their touring careers. Do you like to argue just for the sake of arguing?
While I completely disagree with your position, the answer to your question is an emphatic yes
The funny thing about this response and the remark that preceded it is that I just asked the guy a question. I wasn't even arguing.
If I liked to argue for the sake of arguing, you would see me arguing things that I don't believe. You don't see that.
This is the forum for the Pearl Jam fan club. People, including me, can and do offer thoughtful criticisms of the band, as they should. No one is above reproach (including me). But if people are going to take the position and attitude that Pearl Jam are greedy assholes or that they're phoning it in, they shouldn't be surprised to receive pushback on that in a forum for Pearl Jam fans. Most of us are here because we like Pearl Jam. We like their music. We think they're decent people who've been really good to their fans for decades. We don't understand the cynicism and vitriol that some people here seem to harbor towards them. People are entitled to have that attitude towards them, but a case could be made that if someone is that skeptical of Pearl Jam's motives and/or artistry but insists on remaining in the band's fan club and taking potshots at them, then that is the person who is looking for the argument.
Well, I agree they seem very decent, but to me they’ve meddled in the ticket process far too much and have continually preferred to play where they have buddies and family or just where they want, not necessarily in line with where their fans live, unlike any other band I can recall following in my very long tenure attending shows. Yes they owe us nothing and have earned the right to do what they wish, but that’s not the point in an analysis like this.
and punishing fans forever for a bad fan decision made about not joining a fan club during the infancy of the internet must be one of the most punishing decisions ever by a rock band to its fans. I get rewarding early joiners, but to punish us every show ever tour is insane. Of course a comment like that gets a ton of heat in a place like this. So be it.
The only reward for seniority comes if you get tickets in a section with seats. You could have joined in January and gotten GA tickets via the lottery. Your definition of punishment is a bit broad. And you know that one of the reasons why seats were assigned based on seniority was to prevent scalpers from setting up a bunch of new accounts and getting some number of the best seats. To which you'll say "PJ Premium has made that a moot point," but can you imagine the uproar if they just did away with the seniority preference for seat assignments now? There have been a lot of people who complained that they got shut out in the lottery despite their seniority-- even though seniority never had anything to do with whether you get tickets. Another reason why seniority was considered for seat assignments was so that people wouldn't churn their accounts like they do with streaming services. If they got rid of seniority for seat assignments, longtime members would complain that they paid to keep their accounts current in non-touring years for no reason.
What does the infancy of the internet have to do with it? Almost every person with a number below 200,000 joined the Ten Club by mail based on an invitation that was in the liner notes of every album. It is unfortunate for people who were very young or not born yet by 1999 but, again, they have an equal chance to win a GA ticket as someone who joined in 1999 or in 1992, for that matter.
We just see this differently. I see a band that has tried very hard to accommodate a lot of competing interests while consistently doing their best for over 30 years to look out for their fans. You seem to see a bunch of detached, selfish rock stars that don't really care much about their fans. You're entitled to see it that way, but why would you be a fan if that's what you think of them?
It’s funny that my profession requires attention to detail,I purchased every CD when it came out, and never paid attention to that in the liner notes. Twenty years ago it was possible to buy decent seats at the box office, so not joining didn’t seem like a big deal. It’s still punitive to punish fans every show every tour for a decision twenty years ago and can not think of another band that has created a complex ticketing system that drives up market prices unlike any other not named swift here in the east. Infancy of internet means access to information was limited in those days. I knew plenty of PJ fans back then, and not a one ever mentioned ten c and joining was imperative
for those of us over 50 with various issues standing in GA is impossible. There’s a laundry list of complaints, and a new one this year, for shows with premium prices ranging from $800 to $2000 in the east, meaning these shows were in tremendous demand, how did so many fans win three plus east shows in a random lottery?
there is such complaining about TM in these parts, yet that single question deserves an answer. The best guess has been that there was a single draw, and fans getting a good draw got multiple shows. If so, that drives up prices by maximizing the number of fans in the east without tickets. There’s a decent sized list of things they were first to do that drives up prices.
are they driving up prices in the east on purpose to finance shows played internationally? Doubtful that was the intention , but that’s exactly what’s happening
Quoting your requote of your quote, I am all for this. Please hit up Providence, Springfield, and Portland, ME. Thank you.
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I never got why folks think PJ can’t play the Sphere as if they can’t get a visual representation of their songs done in that setting! The Sphere is the best venue for music I can’t think of another venue I’d pay to see them play!
I remember filling out the Vitalogy Heath Club card from the mail they sent, and back then it was $10 to join, and I didn't have a checking account at the time. I didn't join then, but finally joined in 1998. Man, sure wish I had a checkbook back then haha. 1998 is still pretty good though.
If PJ does stint at the Sphere I think they are officially phoning it in.
Your use of the word "officially" here suggests that you think that there's some real probability that they are currently, unofficially "phoning it in." Is that what you think?
Yeah, I do think they are at the end of their touring careers. Do you like to argue just for the sake of arguing?
While I completely disagree with your position, the answer to your question is an emphatic yes
The funny thing about this response and the remark that preceded it is that I just asked the guy a question. I wasn't even arguing.
If I liked to argue for the sake of arguing, you would see me arguing things that I don't believe. You don't see that.
This is the forum for the Pearl Jam fan club. People, including me, can and do offer thoughtful criticisms of the band, as they should. No one is above reproach (including me). But if people are going to take the position and attitude that Pearl Jam are greedy assholes or that they're phoning it in, they shouldn't be surprised to receive pushback on that in a forum for Pearl Jam fans. Most of us are here because we like Pearl Jam. We like their music. We think they're decent people who've been really good to their fans for decades. We don't understand the cynicism and vitriol that some people here seem to harbor towards them. People are entitled to have that attitude towards them, but a case could be made that if someone is that skeptical of Pearl Jam's motives and/or artistry but insists on remaining in the band's fan club and taking potshots at them, then that is the person who is looking for the argument.
Well, I agree they seem very decent, but to me they’ve meddled in the ticket process far too much and have continually preferred to play where they have buddies and family or just where they want, not necessarily in line with where their fans live, unlike any other band I can recall following in my very long tenure attending shows. Yes they owe us nothing and have earned the right to do what they wish, but that’s not the point in an analysis like this.
and punishing fans forever for a bad fan decision made about not joining a fan club during the infancy of the internet must be one of the most punishing decisions ever by a rock band to its fans. I get rewarding early joiners, but to punish us every show ever tour is insane. Of course a comment like that gets a ton of heat in a place like this. So be it.
The only reward for seniority comes if you get tickets in a section with seats. You could have joined in January and gotten GA tickets via the lottery. Your definition of punishment is a bit broad. And you know that one of the reasons why seats were assigned based on seniority was to prevent scalpers from setting up a bunch of new accounts and getting some number of the best seats. To which you'll say "PJ Premium has made that a moot point," but can you imagine the uproar if they just did away with the seniority preference for seat assignments now? There have been a lot of people who complained that they got shut out in the lottery despite their seniority-- even though seniority never had anything to do with whether you get tickets. Another reason why seniority was considered for seat assignments was so that people wouldn't churn their accounts like they do with streaming services. If they got rid of seniority for seat assignments, longtime members would complain that they paid to keep their accounts current in non-touring years for no reason.
What does the infancy of the internet have to do with it? Almost every person with a number below 200,000 joined the Ten Club by mail based on an invitation that was in the liner notes of every album. It is unfortunate for people who were very young or not born yet by 1999 but, again, they have an equal chance to win a GA ticket as someone who joined in 1999 or in 1992, for that matter.
We just see this differently. I see a band that has tried very hard to accommodate a lot of competing interests while consistently doing their best for over 30 years to look out for their fans. You seem to see a bunch of detached, selfish rock stars that don't really care much about their fans. You're entitled to see it that way, but why would you be a fan if that's what you think of them?
It’s funny that my profession requires attention to detail,I purchased every CD when it came out, and never paid attention to that in the liner notes. Twenty years ago it was possible to buy decent seats at the box office, so not joining didn’t seem like a big deal. It’s still punitive to punish fans every show every tour for a decision twenty years ago and can not think of another band that has created a complex ticketing system that drives up market prices unlike any other not named swift here in the east. Infancy of internet means access to information was limited in those days. I knew plenty of PJ fans back then, and not a one ever mentioned ten c and joining was imperative
for those of us over 50 with various issues standing in GA is impossible. There’s a laundry list of complaints, and a new one this year, for shows with premium prices ranging from $800 to $2000 in the east, meaning these shows were in tremendous demand, how did so many fans win three plus east shows in a random lottery?
there is such complaining about TM in these parts, yet that single question deserves an answer. The best guess has been that there was a single draw, and fans getting a good draw got multiple shows. If so, that drives up prices by maximizing the number of fans in the east without tickets. There’s a decent sized list of things they were first to do that drives up prices.
are they driving up prices in the east on purpose to finance shows played internationally? Doubtful that was the intention , but that’s exactly what’s happening
As someone over 50, with a 5 digit 10c#(yay me!!) I could argue I have been punished because GA is useless to me and my seats(if I can get them) have been pushed further and further back. But I won't argue that...because PJ seats are not that important to me anymore. I got shut out the last Lottery and got seats thru VF for MSG. And those VF fans seats are way better than what I got thru 10c last MSG show.
My only real beef is that it seems to me 10c/New Management/whoever have completely washed their hands of this ticket nonsense and have let TM run it. That kinda blows. But I'll keep my membership, who knows one day there might be a contest I actually win like seats to an intimate show or something else worthwhile.
Was watching to the Austin n1 show earlier today and Ed made a comment about the sphere - think it was right before wishlist??? May have one more trick? Or they can’t keep up?? Food for thought with all this Sphere noise going around
If it's about wishing for something, then bring it on in 2025.
When it comes to being realistic, they will definitely not return to Europe in 2025. After the pre-sale drama and the way this tour has already gone again, I fear they will stay away from Europe for a long time. Even though I don't want to wait that long, my gut feeling is that they will stay away from Europe for four years, as they did between 2014 and 2018.
All this residency in the Sphere talk is getting really boring. Did we forget that for that to work it needs a MINDBLOWING visual set-up? The Gigaton visualizer videos were quite nice, but honestly nothing to write home about. The Dark Matter visualizer videos on the contrary were like those winamp windows screensavers. Grating to watch.
Also U2's music has some kind of grandeur about it. What should Pearl Jam present that doesn't become boring by day 3? They already shoehorn Do the Evolution in each set just to show of their only cool music video on this year's touring screen..
Plus given Ed's health in recent years and Vegas' harsh environment it would be a disaster.
If it's about wishing for something, then bring it on in 2025.
When it comes to being realistic, they will definitely not return to Europe in 2025. After the pre-sale drama and the way this tour has already gone again, I fear they will stay away from Europe for a long time. Even though I don't want to wait that long, my gut feeling is that they will stay away from Europe for four years, as they did between 2014 and 2018.
Yes some wishful thinking on my part.
Know it’s slightly unrealistic but I’m hoping the band realises they have a lot of disappointed fans over her in England, the Netherlands, Czech Republic and Austria after the last couple of tours. They could definitely make it work if they booked arenas like they used to (not stadiums!) and give us plenty of notice by announcing late 2024 (eg Could go to O2, Co-Op again, Ziggo Dome etc). Plus arrange to be a headliner at some of their usual festival spots like Werchter etc. I know it’s on the less likely side but I am hoping
All this residency in the Sphere talk is getting really boring. Did we forget that for that to work it needs a MINDBLOWING visual set-up? The Gigaton visualizer videos were quite nice, but honestly nothing to write home about. The Dark Matter visualizer videos on the contrary were like those winamp windows screensavers. Grating to watch.
Also U2's music has some kind of grandeur about it. What should Pearl Jam present that doesn't become boring by day 3? They already shoehorn Do the Evolution in each set just to show of their only cool music video on this year's touring screen..
Plus given Ed's health in recent years and Vegas' harsh environment it would be a disaster.
Think the opposite at this point. The controlled environment and less stressful schedule of a residency is probably a bonus, both for the band and for fans travelling/less likely to see a cancellation. They don't have to live there withering away in the dry air committing sin, they can fly in for a two night show every other week etc... I say two night show, cause if you travel to see PJ, it's gotta be more than one show, a two show(back to back nights or night off in between) one ticket experience would be ideal. Having said this, would I be excited for the sphere, probably not, Ill take side stage or ga at an arena with no backstage screen anyday over it, but kinda think this is where it's headed.
If it's about wishing for something, then bring it on in 2025.
When it comes to being realistic, they will definitely not return to Europe in 2025. After the pre-sale drama and the way this tour has already gone again, I fear they will stay away from Europe for a long time. Even though I don't want to wait that long, my gut feeling is that they will stay away from Europe for four years, as they did between 2014 and 2018.
Yes some wishful thinking on my part.
Know it’s slightly unrealistic but I’m hoping the band realises they have a lot of disappointed fans over her in England, the Netherlands, Czech Republic and Austria after the last couple of tours. They could definitely make it work if they booked arenas like they used to (not stadiums!) and give us plenty of notice by announcing late 2024 (eg Could go to O2, Co-Op again, Ziggo Dome etc). Plus arrange to be a headliner at some of their usual festival spots like Werchter etc. I know it’s on the less likely side but I am hoping
PJ has lost me and other 10C members. I am not prepared to pay again 42 Dollars to get nothing or the possibility to buy an overpriced ticket for a show which will be cancelled. Enough is Enough!!
Anytime they tour I’ll bite the bullet and take the risk because I’ve only seen them five times and know time is limited. However, I’m not expecting the chance to see them next year. Can’t see Europe getting another run in ‘25
Anytime they tour I’ll bite the bullet and take the risk because I’ve only seen them five times and know time is limited. However, I’m not expecting the chance to see them next year. Can’t see Europe getting another run in ‘25
i think it will. Where else are they supposed to go? South America is out of question (sorry Latinas y Latinos) with these prices. Will be unaffordable for most. So you have Canada with perhaps 4 to 5 shows and the US. Leaves at least the summer or second half of the year for a European stint. Plus, there are many countries with large amount of fans who missed out for a while. Italy, Poland, the Netherlands, e.g.
I fully expect them to tour SA again. They'll play a few festivals down there to make $$, and costs of touring/putting on a show are different in different regions of the world, which can impact ticket prices. Paul McCartney wasn't a cheap ticket in the US last tour, yet he is going there later this year.
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If I liked to argue for the sake of arguing, you would see me arguing things that I don't believe. You don't see that.
This is the forum for the Pearl Jam fan club. People, including me, can and do offer thoughtful criticisms of the band, as they should. No one is above reproach (including me). But if people are going to take the position and attitude that Pearl Jam are greedy assholes or that they're phoning it in, they shouldn't be surprised to receive pushback on that in a forum for Pearl Jam fans. Most of us are here because we like Pearl Jam. We like their music. We think they're decent people who've been really good to their fans for decades. We don't understand the cynicism and vitriol that some people here seem to harbor towards them. People are entitled to have that attitude towards them, but a case could be made that if someone is that skeptical of Pearl Jam's motives and/or artistry but insists on remaining in the band's fan club and taking potshots at them, then that is the person who is looking for the argument.
and punishing fans forever for a bad fan decision made about not joining a fan club during the infancy of the internet must be one of the most punishing decisions ever by a rock band to its fans. I get rewarding early joiners, but to punish us every show ever tour is insane. Of course a comment like that gets a ton of heat in a place like this. So be it.
What does the infancy of the internet have to do with it? Almost every person with a number below 200,000 joined the Ten Club by mail based on an invitation that was in the liner notes of every album. It is unfortunate for people who were very young or not born yet by 1999 but, again, they have an equal chance to win a GA ticket as someone who joined in 1999 or in 1992, for that matter.
We just see this differently. I see a band that has tried very hard to accommodate a lot of competing interests while consistently doing their best for over 30 years to look out for their fans. You seem to see a bunch of detached, selfish rock stars that don't really care much about their fans. You're entitled to see it that way, but why would you be a fan if that's what you think of them?
for those of us over 50 with various issues standing in GA is impossible. There’s a laundry list of complaints, and a new one this year, for shows with premium prices ranging from $800 to $2000 in the east, meaning these shows were in tremendous demand, how did so many fans win three plus east shows in a random lottery?
there is such complaining about TM in these parts, yet that single question deserves an answer. The best guess has been that there was a single draw, and fans getting a good draw got multiple shows. If so, that drives up prices by maximizing the number of fans in the east without tickets. There’s a decent sized list of things they were first to do that drives up prices.
are they driving up prices in the east on purpose to finance shows played internationally? Doubtful that was the intention , but that’s exactly what’s happening
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+1 please!
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My only real beef is that it seems to me 10c/New Management/whoever have completely washed their hands of this ticket nonsense and have let TM run it. That kinda blows. But I'll keep my membership, who knows one day there might be a contest I actually win like seats to an intimate show or something else worthwhile.
That good eh? We will see next year.
Wow!!!
When it comes to being realistic, they will definitely not return to Europe in 2025. After the pre-sale drama and the way this tour has already gone again, I fear they will stay away from Europe for a long time. Even though I don't want to wait that long, my gut feeling is that they will stay away from Europe for four years, as they did between 2014 and 2018.
Also U2's music has some kind of grandeur about it. What should Pearl Jam present that doesn't become boring by day 3? They already shoehorn Do the Evolution in each set just to show of their only cool music video on this year's touring screen..
Plus given Ed's health in recent years and Vegas' harsh environment it would be a disaster.
2005 - Calgary, Winnipeg, Thunder Bay, Kitchener, Montréal, Ottawa
2006 - Verona, Torino, Pistoia
2007 - Munich
2013 - Calgary
2014 - Vienna
2016 - Quebec, Ottawa, Toronto N1, Toronto N2, Pemberton
2018 - Padova
2022 - Frankfurt, Krakow, Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto
Know it’s slightly unrealistic but I’m hoping the band realises they have a lot of disappointed fans over her in England, the Netherlands, Czech Republic and Austria after the last couple of tours. They could definitely make it work if they booked arenas like they used to (not stadiums!) and give us plenty of notice by announcing late 2024 (eg Could go to O2, Co-Op again, Ziggo Dome etc). Plus arrange to be a headliner at some of their usual festival spots like Werchter etc. I know it’s on the less likely side but I am hoping
However, I’m not expecting the chance to see them next year. Can’t see Europe getting another run in ‘25
So you have Canada with perhaps 4 to 5 shows and the US. Leaves at least the summer or second half of the year for a European stint. Plus, there are many countries with large amount of fans who missed out for a while. Italy, Poland, the Netherlands, e.g.
2005 - Calgary, Winnipeg, Thunder Bay, Kitchener, Montréal, Ottawa
2006 - Verona, Torino, Pistoia
2007 - Munich
2013 - Calgary
2014 - Vienna
2016 - Quebec, Ottawa, Toronto N1, Toronto N2, Pemberton
2018 - Padova
2022 - Frankfurt, Krakow, Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto