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Thanks for educating me about the music business.dwjmu84 said:
The music is the hit. It sells itself. A completely separate idea from what I'm addressing, which is a deliberate marketing strategy for the record.BF25394 said:They're enjoying their biggest hit in 18 years. They're doing something right.
Don't conflate the two - distinct concepts.I gather speed from you fucking with me.0 -
If the music sells itself why is there a need to market the record? It sells itself.dwjmu84 said:
The music is the hit. It sells itself. A completely separate idea from what I'm addressing, which is a deliberate marketing strategy for the record.BF25394 said:They're enjoying their biggest hit in 18 years. They're doing something right.
Don't conflate the two - distinct concepts.0 -
I expressed an opinion about the way the record is being promoted (lack of clear strategy in my view). You diverted and made a comment about DM’s success (I assume) on charts (ha) so far.BF25394 said:
Thanks for educating me about the music business.dwjmu84 said:
The music is the hit. It sells itself. A completely separate idea from what I'm addressing, which is a deliberate marketing strategy for the record.BF25394 said:They're enjoying their biggest hit in 18 years. They're doing something right.
Don't conflate the two - distinct concepts.These are separate concepts, so it’s not an education about the music biz you may need, but rather, an education in staying on topic. Or, you can read my opinion, disagree, and move on.Another group think foot soldier in this message board who just can’t stand an alternate opinion.0 -
They released Dark Matter.dwjmu84 said:
I expressed an opinion about the way the record is being promoted (lack of clear strategy in my view). You diverted and made a comment about DM’s success (I assume) on charts (ha) so far.BF25394 said:
Thanks for educating me about the music business.dwjmu84 said:
The music is the hit. It sells itself. A completely separate idea from what I'm addressing, which is a deliberate marketing strategy for the record.BF25394 said:They're enjoying their biggest hit in 18 years. They're doing something right.
Don't conflate the two - distinct concepts.These are separate concepts, so it’s not an education about the music biz you may need, but rather, an education in staying on topic. Or, you can read my opinion, disagree, and move on.Another group think foot soldier in this message board who just can’t stand an alternate opinion.
They did the visual dark matter finder.
A vinyl single for Dark Matter.
Several clips on march madness and nhl tv.
They have 12 variants of the record, based on regions for Record Store Day. In addition to several regular variants now available in the store, and the original record store day version.
They have a one night only showing of the album in theaters just before the album drops.
They released Running.
They have had several listening parties.
Oh, and they have a world tour with more shows than any recent tour set up for May-September.
Radio has been playing the 2 songs that are out.
What exactly are they leaving out?
And its still 3-4 weeks away from being released.Turn this anger into
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Got me to bite0
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I agree and I would say that Jar Of Flies is probably my favorite sounding album of all time. It's perfect in my opinion.bootlegger10 said:I always thought Alice in Chains records had the best production out of the Seattle scene. Had more polish to them. Don't mind seeing what Watt will bring to the table. It will be a jolt I'm sure from the minimalist approach we are used to." Things were different then, all is different now "
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I would agree with both of those statements.ManOfTheHour75 said:
I agree and I would say that Jar Of Flies is probably my favorite sounding album of all time. It's perfect in my opinion.bootlegger10 said:I always thought Alice in Chains records had the best production out of the Seattle scene. Had more polish to them. Don't mind seeing what Watt will bring to the table. It will be a jolt I'm sure from the minimalist approach we are used to.Turn this anger into
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I still think that REMs Automatic For the People is one of the best sounding albums of all time.ManOfTheHour75 said:
I agree and I would say that Jar Of Flies is probably my favorite sounding album of all time. It's perfect in my opinion.bootlegger10 said:I always thought Alice in Chains records had the best production out of the Seattle scene. Had more polish to them. Don't mind seeing what Watt will bring to the table. It will be a jolt I'm sure from the minimalist approach we are used to.0 -
Just stop. Please.dwjmu84 said:
I expressed an opinion about the way the record is being promoted (lack of clear strategy in my view). You diverted and made a comment about DM’s success (I assume) on charts (ha) so far.BF25394 said:
Thanks for educating me about the music business.dwjmu84 said:
The music is the hit. It sells itself. A completely separate idea from what I'm addressing, which is a deliberate marketing strategy for the record.BF25394 said:They're enjoying their biggest hit in 18 years. They're doing something right.
Don't conflate the two - distinct concepts.These are separate concepts, so it’s not an education about the music biz you may need, but rather, an education in staying on topic. Or, you can read my opinion, disagree, and move on.Another group think foot soldier in this message board who just can’t stand an alternate opinion.I gather speed from you fucking with me.0 -
So a lot of this in my opinion is gimmicky re tread.Vedd Hedd said:
They released Dark Matter.dwjmu84 said:
I expressed an opinion about the way the record is being promoted (lack of clear strategy in my view). You diverted and made a comment about DM’s success (I assume) on charts (ha) so far.BF25394 said:
Thanks for educating me about the music business.dwjmu84 said:
The music is the hit. It sells itself. A completely separate idea from what I'm addressing, which is a deliberate marketing strategy for the record.BF25394 said:They're enjoying their biggest hit in 18 years. They're doing something right.
Don't conflate the two - distinct concepts.These are separate concepts, so it’s not an education about the music biz you may need, but rather, an education in staying on topic. Or, you can read my opinion, disagree, and move on.Another group think foot soldier in this message board who just can’t stand an alternate opinion.
They did the visual dark matter finder.
A vinyl single for Dark Matter.
Several clips on march madness and nhl tv.
They have 12 variants of the record, based on regions for Record Store Day. In addition to several regular variants now available in the store, and the original record store day version.
They have a one night only showing of the album in theaters just before the album drops.
They released Running.
They have had several listening parties.
Oh, and they have a world tour with more shows than any recent tour set up for May-September.
Radio has been playing the 2 songs that are out.
What exactly are they leaving out?
And it’s still 3-4 weeks away from being released.
12 variants of the same record? Why?
radio playing the two songs - has nothing to do with their promotional activities.
People buy “singles”? Why?I think you get where I’m headed. This is all extremely old school and very gimmicky, not to mention expensive haha. Again maybe the bulk of the promotion will come after the release. That’s fine I suppose. But as long as your realize there is no real effort involved in almost all of that line item list you spelled out. Again it’s mostly re tread for profit and hey, I’m all in favor of capitalism so if folks are willing to bite is see why they’re doing it!
just wondering out loud (is that still acceptable?) whether there will be more original substance to come. Examples would be:
more snippets from rest of album
(what happened to the DM site?)
vignettes from band members about making the record (from official sources not media)
is there a DM video like with DoTC?
Etc, etc
it’s ok to wonder and ask questions.0 -
Looking forward to the imminent closure of this thread 🙄0
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It shouldn’t close…as long as the discourse remains civil. See my previous post where I simply laid out my opinions. And now I welcome any other thoughts even if they differ from my so we can have a spirited conversation or even just ponder what others have to say.kmcmanus said:Looking forward to the imminent closure of this thread 🙄
now if something like that is a no go here, I’d say the guidelines are ironically contrary to some of this band’s most foundational beliefs.
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Fair enough, but let me ask this a different way?dwjmu84 said:
So a lot of this in my opinion is gimmicky re tread.Vedd Hedd said:
They released Dark Matter.dwjmu84 said:
I expressed an opinion about the way the record is being promoted (lack of clear strategy in my view). You diverted and made a comment about DM’s success (I assume) on charts (ha) so far.BF25394 said:
Thanks for educating me about the music business.dwjmu84 said:
The music is the hit. It sells itself. A completely separate idea from what I'm addressing, which is a deliberate marketing strategy for the record.BF25394 said:They're enjoying their biggest hit in 18 years. They're doing something right.
Don't conflate the two - distinct concepts.These are separate concepts, so it’s not an education about the music biz you may need, but rather, an education in staying on topic. Or, you can read my opinion, disagree, and move on.Another group think foot soldier in this message board who just can’t stand an alternate opinion.
They did the visual dark matter finder.
A vinyl single for Dark Matter.
Several clips on march madness and nhl tv.
They have 12 variants of the record, based on regions for Record Store Day. In addition to several regular variants now available in the store, and the original record store day version.
They have a one night only showing of the album in theaters just before the album drops.
They released Running.
They have had several listening parties.
Oh, and they have a world tour with more shows than any recent tour set up for May-September.
Radio has been playing the 2 songs that are out.
What exactly are they leaving out?
And it’s still 3-4 weeks away from being released.
12 variants of the same record? Why?
radio playing the two songs - has nothing to do with their promotional activities.
People buy “singles”? Why?I think you get where I’m headed. This is all extremely old school and very gimmicky, not to mention expensive haha. Again maybe the bulk of the promotion will come after the release. That’s fine I suppose. But as long as your realize there is no real effort involved in almost all of that line item list you spelled out. Again it’s mostly re tread for profit and hey, I’m all in favor of capitalism so if folks are willing to bite is see why they’re doing it!
just wondering out loud (is that still acceptable?) whether there will be more original substance to come. Examples would be:
more snippets from rest of album
(what happened to the DM site?)
vignettes from band members about making the record (from official sources not media)
is there a DM video like with DoTC?
Etc, etc
it’s ok to wonder and ask questions.
What would you do that is more modern? PJ is old school, yeah, but I mean, the dark matter observer isnt old school. Variants for regional albums arent really old school. That Stone interview was pretty in-depth where he talked about almost every song.
I didnt expect any real new snippets from the album, but we already got 2 full releases (DM and Running) and heard official snippets of Something Special and one other one(Possibly a hidden track or opening sound?)
I expect that some of those things you are talking about will also happen, ie, videos and visualizers....probably once the movie has played, so likely just prior to or after the album release.
I like singles, btw. I like the sound of 45's over 33's, typically. And vinyl collecting is a thing.
They never really did a lot of press or promoting, other than typical channels, so I dont expect them to hit the Today show or 60 Minutes. I would expect maybe one TV appearance on some late night show, but in the age of the internet, I think they are doing things well enough to promote the album, without blowing a budget where it would not recoup. Albums sales are pretty flat, all things considered, in this age of streaming, so vinyl is what makes the money and enhanced CD's maybe a bit.Turn this anger into
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I hope there’s more video stuff, music video and vignettes, not sure those are that original as they’ve regularly done those things for previous albums. I’m all for more PJ video footage. I’m also ok with what they’ve done to promote the record thus far.dwjmu84 said:
So a lot of this in my opinion is gimmicky re tread.Vedd Hedd said:
They released Dark Matter.dwjmu84 said:
I expressed an opinion about the way the record is being promoted (lack of clear strategy in my view). You diverted and made a comment about DM’s success (I assume) on charts (ha) so far.BF25394 said:
Thanks for educating me about the music business.dwjmu84 said:
The music is the hit. It sells itself. A completely separate idea from what I'm addressing, which is a deliberate marketing strategy for the record.BF25394 said:They're enjoying their biggest hit in 18 years. They're doing something right.
Don't conflate the two - distinct concepts.These are separate concepts, so it’s not an education about the music biz you may need, but rather, an education in staying on topic. Or, you can read my opinion, disagree, and move on.Another group think foot soldier in this message board who just can’t stand an alternate opinion.
They did the visual dark matter finder.
A vinyl single for Dark Matter.
Several clips on march madness and nhl tv.
They have 12 variants of the record, based on regions for Record Store Day. In addition to several regular variants now available in the store, and the original record store day version.
They have a one night only showing of the album in theaters just before the album drops.
They released Running.
They have had several listening parties.
Oh, and they have a world tour with more shows than any recent tour set up for May-September.
Radio has been playing the 2 songs that are out.
What exactly are they leaving out?
And it’s still 3-4 weeks away from being released.
12 variants of the same record? Why?
radio playing the two songs - has nothing to do with their promotional activities.
People buy “singles”? Why?I think you get where I’m headed. This is all extremely old school and very gimmicky, not to mention expensive haha. Again maybe the bulk of the promotion will come after the release. That’s fine I suppose. But as long as your realize there is no real effort involved in almost all of that line item list you spelled out. Again it’s mostly re tread for profit and hey, I’m all in favor of capitalism so if folks are willing to bite is see why they’re doing it!
just wondering out loud (is that still acceptable?) whether there will be more original substance to come. Examples would be:
more snippets from rest of album
(what happened to the DM site?)
vignettes from band members about making the record (from official sources not media)
is there a DM video like with DoTC?
Etc, etc
it’s ok to wonder and ask questions.0 -
To say that to date, what's been done has required no real effort, is a bit disingenuous don't you think?
2 singles releases, deals with NHL and March Madness, podcast interviews, private listening sessions, a custom mobile app, movie theatre release schedule... no real effort? Sorry, I don't buy it.0 -
So yeah I don’t really see much effort there. What’s required to have cbs and the networks that carry nhl games play a few snippets here and there? A quick phone call and a couple signatures? I mean aside from 20 seconds of something special in one….one March madness promo, we’ve only heard/seen music that’s already released. So then it’s just a legal thing for the networks to get permission to use the songs. I promise you the sausage making is way less impressive once you see it from the inside.JKestle said:To say that to date, what's been done has required no real effort, is a bit disingenuous don't you think?
2 singles releases, deals with NHL and March Madness, podcast interviews, private listening sessions, a custom mobile app, movie theatre release schedule... no real effort? Sorry, I don't buy it.Podcast interviews : Jeff and Stone. Who else?
Stone’s with Pinfield was insanely underwhelming as I have noted (since I actually listened to it). Jeff’s was good. Stone’s interview with SPIN was maybe the single best piece of promotion yet. Loved that read! Btw no blame to the guys here so we are clear. We haven’t heard from Mike, Matt, or Ed via any widely available channel.
Listening Parties: I don’t know. I kind of see these as a little elitist for my taste. I really think the PJ of old would have absolutely admonished bands for something like this. I know Ed has fun with it and hey that’s cool, but it smacks of self indulgence. Since there are many, many die hards who’ve given blood sweat and tears to this band for 30 years or more who would never have a chance to attend something like this, maybe something more accessible would be preferable?
Actually, I like the early chance to hear the album through ONE (or two) times through the theatrical release. I think the timing is completely wrong. Do that a few weeks out (like now) instead of the listening parties. Meanwhile, you have the guys on multiple podcasts, making the rounds, and building the wave of hype slowly.Let me also add that 12 variants of vinyl is ridiculous in a way. How many PJ fans buy records, as a %? 2-3% MAYBE!Now we learn of these variants a month after the handful of versions originally went up for sale? It seems like a $ grab. I mean come on. Aside from the odd collector who just wants these things lying around, who is buying multiple copies? I went out of my comfort zone to BUY even one copy of the record bc I can just listen to my paid streaming service haha.
Bottom line I guess is that what they’ve done so far has very very narrow appeal in most cases.I kind of liked calling a number on my cell phone through Verizon to get a clip of a new backspacer tune!!0 -
It is kind of odd to set that all up just to give us a sneak peak at a song that was coming out shortly anyway. I am sure they have more planned with it but it really would have worked better with it happening more consecutively.0
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Spot. On. Exactly.PJNB said:It is kind of odd to set that all up just to give us a sneak peak at a song that was coming out shortly anyway. I am sure they have more planned with it but it really would have worked better with it happening more consecutively.The whole roll out has been a bit odd and underwhelming.
but, I can’t effing wait to hear Dark Matter!0
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