I always thought Alice in Chains records had the best production out of the Seattle scene. Had more polish to them. Don't mind seeing what Watt will bring to the table. It will be a jolt I'm sure from the minimalist approach we are used to.
If Andrew Watt is "super polished" and before has been a "minimalist approach". Then I'm lost. Because I don't hear much being minimalist about the last releases, or most stuff PJ have released. Sounds like stuff has been tinkered with and sculpted a bunch.
I think Nirvana had the best production out of Seattle, in that the albums feel very live and direct. But not sloppy or lo-fi ofc. Bit I respect the artistic throughline sonically of Ten. Everything is soaked in the same vibe and atmosphere. Like a wave you follow through the whole album.
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
Here's what Stone had to say re: "Running" in the Spin interview...
On ‘Running,’ it’s rare to hear a Pearl Jam song with this chant-y, gang vocal chorus. It just sounds like fun.
Jeff had the main parts for that one, and we worked it over as a band. I love the bridge. I don’t know what the hell those chords are that Mike’s playing, but it sounds original. It’s one of the last ones we recorded at Shangri-La, and it was fun to come up with one more uptempo song. Ed’s vocal dexterity here and on a few other spots on the album is just stunning. Same thing goes with that second verse of ‘React, Respond’ where he’s almost frickin’ rapping.
Produced well Invincible Brother the Cloud Fallout Today The Dark Mrs Mills Long Way
Shitty Sound Power of Right Good and Evil Rose of Jericho Try Picture
For me the harder songs sound like Noise, Im sure Dark Matter wil be better in that regard, one can hope
Yes, Rick died in 2014. He not only produced Ten, which is one of my eleven favorite Pearl Jam albums, but he also produced Blind Melon, which is probably one of my three favorite albums by any artist. Rest in peace, Rick.
Even more important than production imo is song order. Pearl Jam always starts with a rocker, then mid tempo by song 3, crappier songs in 9/10 spot and slow end song. Was hoping this would break that pattern….
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Produced well Invincible Brother the Cloud Fallout Today The Dark Mrs Mills Long Way
Shitty Sound Power of Right Good and Evil Rose of Jericho Try Picture
For me the harder songs sound like Noise, Im sure Dark Matter wil be better in that regard, one can hope
Yes, Rick died in 2014. He not only produced Ten, which is one of my eleven favorite Pearl Jam albums, but he also produced Blind Melon, which is probably one of my three favorite albums by any artist. Rest in peace, Rick.
Even more important than production imo is song order. Pearl Jam always starts with a rocker, then mid tempo by song 3, crappier songs in 9/10 spot and slow end song. Was hoping this would break that pattern….
You can play the songs in whichever order you like, but you can't undo the production.
They should do at least one a week since the album is 3 weeks away!
We are three weeks out from the album being widely listened to (theaters). 3 per week with 9 songs to go, you would think. Who knows. The promotion for this record, thus far, has not seemed to have any real strategy. Maybe they’re thinking they’ll do most of the heavy lifting after it’s out?
They're enjoying their biggest hit in 18 years. They're doing something right.
The music is the hit. It sells itself. A completely separate idea from what I'm addressing, which is a deliberate marketing strategy for the record.
Don't conflate the two - distinct concepts.
Thanks for educating me about the music business.
I expressed an opinion about the way the record is being promoted (lack of clear strategy in my view). You diverted and made a comment about DM’s success (I assume) on charts (ha) so far.
These are separate concepts, so it’s not an education about the music biz you may need, but rather, an education in staying on topic. Or, you can read my opinion, disagree, and move on.
Another group think foot soldier in this message board who just can’t stand an alternate opinion.
They're enjoying their biggest hit in 18 years. They're doing something right.
The music is the hit. It sells itself. A completely separate idea from what I'm addressing, which is a deliberate marketing strategy for the record.
Don't conflate the two - distinct concepts.
Thanks for educating me about the music business.
I expressed an opinion about the way the record is being promoted (lack of clear strategy in my view). You diverted and made a comment about DM’s success (I assume) on charts (ha) so far.
These are separate concepts, so it’s not an education about the music biz you may need, but rather, an education in staying on topic. Or, you can read my opinion, disagree, and move on.
Another group think foot soldier in this message board who just can’t stand an alternate opinion.
They released Dark Matter.
They did the visual dark matter finder.
A vinyl single for Dark Matter.
Several clips on march madness and nhl tv.
They have 12 variants of the record, based on regions for Record Store Day. In addition to several regular variants now available in the store, and the original record store day version.
They have a one night only showing of the album in theaters just before the album drops.
They released Running.
They have had several listening parties.
Oh, and they have a world tour with more shows than any recent tour set up for May-September.
I always thought Alice in Chains records had the best production out of the Seattle scene. Had more polish to them. Don't mind seeing what Watt will bring to the table. It will be a jolt I'm sure from the minimalist approach we are used to.
I agree and I would say that Jar Of Flies is probably my favorite sounding album of all time. It's perfect in my opinion.
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I always thought Alice in Chains records had the best production out of the Seattle scene. Had more polish to them. Don't mind seeing what Watt will bring to the table. It will be a jolt I'm sure from the minimalist approach we are used to.
I agree and I would say that Jar Of Flies is probably my favorite sounding album of all time. It's perfect in my opinion.
I always thought Alice in Chains records had the best production out of the Seattle scene. Had more polish to them. Don't mind seeing what Watt will bring to the table. It will be a jolt I'm sure from the minimalist approach we are used to.
I agree and I would say that Jar Of Flies is probably my favorite sounding album of all time. It's perfect in my opinion.
I still think that REMs Automatic For the People is one of the best sounding albums of all time.
They're enjoying their biggest hit in 18 years. They're doing something right.
The music is the hit. It sells itself. A completely separate idea from what I'm addressing, which is a deliberate marketing strategy for the record.
Don't conflate the two - distinct concepts.
Thanks for educating me about the music business.
I expressed an opinion about the way the record is being promoted (lack of clear strategy in my view). You diverted and made a comment about DM’s success (I assume) on charts (ha) so far.
These are separate concepts, so it’s not an education about the music biz you may need, but rather, an education in staying on topic. Or, you can read my opinion, disagree, and move on.
Another group think foot soldier in this message board who just can’t stand an alternate opinion.
They're enjoying their biggest hit in 18 years. They're doing something right.
The music is the hit. It sells itself. A completely separate idea from what I'm addressing, which is a deliberate marketing strategy for the record.
Don't conflate the two - distinct concepts.
Thanks for educating me about the music business.
I expressed an opinion about the way the record is being promoted (lack of clear strategy in my view). You diverted and made a comment about DM’s success (I assume) on charts (ha) so far.
These are separate concepts, so it’s not an education about the music biz you may need, but rather, an education in staying on topic. Or, you can read my opinion, disagree, and move on.
Another group think foot soldier in this message board who just can’t stand an alternate opinion.
They released Dark Matter.
They did the visual dark matter finder.
A vinyl single for Dark Matter.
Several clips on march madness and nhl tv.
They have 12 variants of the record, based on regions for Record Store Day. In addition to several regular variants now available in the store, and the original record store day version.
They have a one night only showing of the album in theaters just before the album drops.
They released Running.
They have had several listening parties.
Oh, and they have a world tour with more shows than any recent tour set up for May-September.
Radio has been playing the 2 songs that are out.
What exactly are they leaving out?
And it’s still 3-4 weeks away from being released.
So a lot of this in my opinion is gimmicky re tread.
12 variants of the same record? Why?
radio playing the two songs - has nothing to do with their promotional activities.
People buy “singles”? Why?
I think you get where I’m headed. This is all extremely old school and very gimmicky, not to mention expensive haha. Again maybe the bulk of the promotion will come after the release. That’s fine I suppose. But as long as your realize there is no real effort involved in almost all of that line item list you spelled out. Again it’s mostly re tread for profit and hey, I’m all in favor of capitalism so if folks are willing to bite is see why they’re doing it!
just wondering out loud (is that still acceptable?) whether there will be more original substance to come. Examples would be:
more snippets from rest of album (what happened to the DM site?)
vignettes from band members about making the record (from official sources not media)
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For me the harder songs sound like Noise, Im sure Dark Matter wil be better in that regard, one can hope
I think Nirvana had the best production out of Seattle, in that the albums feel very live and direct. But not sloppy or lo-fi ofc. Bit I respect the artistic throughline sonically of Ten. Everything is soaked in the same vibe and atmosphere. Like a wave you follow through the whole album.
On ‘Running,’ it’s rare to hear a Pearl Jam song with this chant-y, gang vocal chorus. It just sounds like fun.
Jeff had the main parts for that one, and we worked it over as a band. I love the bridge. I don’t know what the hell those chords are that Mike’s playing, but it sounds original. It’s one of the last ones we recorded at Shangri-La, and it was fun to come up with one more uptempo song. Ed’s vocal dexterity here and on a few other spots on the album is just stunning. Same thing goes with that second verse of ‘React, Respond’ where he’s almost frickin’ rapping.
Don't conflate the two - distinct concepts.
They did the visual dark matter finder.
A vinyl single for Dark Matter.
Several clips on march madness and nhl tv.
They have 12 variants of the record, based on regions for Record Store Day. In addition to several regular variants now available in the store, and the original record store day version.
They have a one night only showing of the album in theaters just before the album drops.
They released Running.
They have had several listening parties.
Oh, and they have a world tour with more shows than any recent tour set up for May-September.
Radio has been playing the 2 songs that are out.
What exactly are they leaving out?
And its still 3-4 weeks away from being released.
Nuclear fission
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12 variants of the same record? Why?
radio playing the two songs - has nothing to do with their promotional activities.
People buy “singles”? Why?
just wondering out loud (is that still acceptable?) whether there will be more original substance to come. Examples would be:
more snippets from rest of album
(what happened to the DM site?)
vignettes from band members about making the record (from official sources not media)
is there a DM video like with DoTC?
Etc, etc
it’s ok to wonder and ask questions.