Fan To Fan

craigraether

SHZA said:

PhartN said:

jwhjr17 said:

PhartN said:

Im saying, if we all here have tickets we want to offload, perhaps it makes sense to wait it out a little?  Instead, people are listing tickets and then acting surprised and getting mad that they got picked up by the bots and are being listed by resellers....cutting all of us out in the process

And I'm saying what does it matter if they're listed today or in a month?  The bots are there regardless.

There has been chatter than bots could slow closer to the show dates...not sure anyone can tell the future, but we can control what we do now.

I don't blame anyone who doesn't want to risk getting stuck with extras or just wants to get the funds sooner 

I agree with Sean, unless  you have GA, or close wings, floors, ..or if you have someone who wants them for timed drop you should wait until people report higher success rate. Otherwise consider posting. the more inventory the BOTS grab at the back of the 100s is more of their resources used. Also when other bands shows start to spark interest, BOTS will move away from PJ and start where easier money is. It will also depend on how their sale are, if they see that their inventory is not moving quick, they will stop buying and move on to something else, 

PhartN

SHZA said:

PhartN said:

jwhjr17 said:

PhartN said:

Im saying, if we all here have tickets we want to offload, perhaps it makes sense to wait it out a little?  Instead, people are listing tickets and then acting surprised and getting mad that they got picked up by the bots and are being listed by resellers....cutting all of us out in the process

And I'm saying what does it matter if they're listed today or in a month?  The bots are there regardless.

There has been chatter than bots could slow closer to the show dates...not sure anyone can tell the future, but we can control what we do now.

I don't blame anyone who doesn't want to risk getting stuck with extras or just wants to get the funds sooner 

I dont either, i get it, just frustrated that this is where we are and hoping that we can all collectively take a step back in the name of 10C membership if possible and wait out the BS so that we can all help each other...thats all...everyone has their reasons and needs...but would be cool if folks could take a breath and sit tight for the benefit of those that dont have tix/wiffed on all the pre-sales (of all people, i thought youd agree with this, lol)

That said, i think there is almost a Zero% chance people get stuck with tix unless they paid too much or they are absolute crap tix....

SHZA

PhartN said:

SHZA said:

PhartN said:

jwhjr17 said:

PhartN said:

Im saying, if we all here have tickets we want to offload, perhaps it makes sense to wait it out a little?  Instead, people are listing tickets and then acting surprised and getting mad that they got picked up by the bots and are being listed by resellers....cutting all of us out in the process

And I'm saying what does it matter if they're listed today or in a month?  The bots are there regardless.

There has been chatter than bots could slow closer to the show dates...not sure anyone can tell the future, but we can control what we do now.

I don't blame anyone who doesn't want to risk getting stuck with extras or just wants to get the funds sooner 

I dont either, i get it, just frustrated that this is where we are and hoping that we can all collectively take a step back in the name of 10C membership if possible and wait out the BS so that we can all help each other...thats all...everyone has their reasons and needs...but would be cool if folks could take a breath and sit tight for the benefit of those that dont have tix/wiffed on all the pre-sales (of all people, i thought youd agree with this, lol)

I think the premise that the bots will just give up at some point is questionable. Unless there's a glut of prime seats just sitting at face value, why would they stop? And if that does happen, then the people who you asked to wait to help you out might get stuck. Are you going to reimburse them? As long as the demand is there, I don't see them stopping at least until very close to show day. Even then, I still think they'd be on the hunt for GAs to flip until the last minute. 

PhartN

SHZA said:

PhartN said:

SHZA said:

PhartN said:

jwhjr17 said:

PhartN said:

Im saying, if we all here have tickets we want to offload, perhaps it makes sense to wait it out a little?  Instead, people are listing tickets and then acting surprised and getting mad that they got picked up by the bots and are being listed by resellers....cutting all of us out in the process

And I'm saying what does it matter if they're listed today or in a month?  The bots are there regardless.

There has been chatter than bots could slow closer to the show dates...not sure anyone can tell the future, but we can control what we do now.

I don't blame anyone who doesn't want to risk getting stuck with extras or just wants to get the funds sooner 

I dont either, i get it, just frustrated that this is where we are and hoping that we can all collectively take a step back in the name of 10C membership if possible and wait out the BS so that we can all help each other...thats all...everyone has their reasons and needs...but would be cool if folks could take a breath and sit tight for the benefit of those that dont have tix/wiffed on all the pre-sales (of all people, i thought youd agree with this, lol)

I think the premise that the bots will just give up at some point is questionable. Unless there's a glut of prime seats just sitting at face value, why would they stop? And if that does happen, then the people who you asked to wait to help you out might get stuck. Are you going to reimburse them? As long as the demand is there, I don't see them stopping at least until very close to show day. Even then, I still think they'd be on the hunt for GAs to flip until the last minute. 

Perhaps, but if the bots dont stop, then there would be no reason to think you would get stuck with tickets, so whats the harm in waiting a bit in the event it gets "better" for non-bots...some of us arent even in the building to flip!!! yet....also dont think the demand for any lower level or floor/ga seats will drop...

nalyd61

posting  LA  2  floor G-now

SHZA

PhartN said:

SHZA said:

PhartN said:

SHZA said:

PhartN said:

jwhjr17 said:

PhartN said:

Im saying, if we all here have tickets we want to offload, perhaps it makes sense to wait it out a little?  Instead, people are listing tickets and then acting surprised and getting mad that they got picked up by the bots and are being listed by resellers....cutting all of us out in the process

And I'm saying what does it matter if they're listed today or in a month?  The bots are there regardless.

There has been chatter than bots could slow closer to the show dates...not sure anyone can tell the future, but we can control what we do now.

I don't blame anyone who doesn't want to risk getting stuck with extras or just wants to get the funds sooner 

I dont either, i get it, just frustrated that this is where we are and hoping that we can all collectively take a step back in the name of 10C membership if possible and wait out the BS so that we can all help each other...thats all...everyone has their reasons and needs...but would be cool if folks could take a breath and sit tight for the benefit of those that dont have tix/wiffed on all the pre-sales (of all people, i thought youd agree with this, lol)

I think the premise that the bots will just give up at some point is questionable. Unless there's a glut of prime seats just sitting at face value, why would they stop? And if that does happen, then the people who you asked to wait to help you out might get stuck. Are you going to reimburse them? As long as the demand is there, I don't see them stopping at least until very close to show day. Even then, I still think they'd be on the hunt for GAs to flip until the last minute. 

Perhaps, but if the bots dont stop, then there would be no reason to think you would get stuck with tickets, so whats the harm in waiting a bit in the event it gets "better" for non-bots...some of us arent even in the building to flip!!! yet....also dont think the demand for any lower level or floor/ga seats will drop...

Because we don't know one way or the other what will happen. From the seller's perspective, why take the chance? Granted, for MSG and Philly, the risk is low. Sacramento on a weekday? Different story 

PhartN

SHZA said:

PhartN said:

SHZA said:

PhartN said:

SHZA said:

PhartN said:

jwhjr17 said:

PhartN said:

Im saying, if we all here have tickets we want to offload, perhaps it makes sense to wait it out a little?  Instead, people are listing tickets and then acting surprised and getting mad that they got picked up by the bots and are being listed by resellers....cutting all of us out in the process

And I'm saying what does it matter if they're listed today or in a month?  The bots are there regardless.

There has been chatter than bots could slow closer to the show dates...not sure anyone can tell the future, but we can control what we do now.

I don't blame anyone who doesn't want to risk getting stuck with extras or just wants to get the funds sooner 

I dont either, i get it, just frustrated that this is where we are and hoping that we can all collectively take a step back in the name of 10C membership if possible and wait out the BS so that we can all help each other...thats all...everyone has their reasons and needs...but would be cool if folks could take a breath and sit tight for the benefit of those that dont have tix/wiffed on all the pre-sales (of all people, i thought youd agree with this, lol)

I think the premise that the bots will just give up at some point is questionable. Unless there's a glut of prime seats just sitting at face value, why would they stop? And if that does happen, then the people who you asked to wait to help you out might get stuck. Are you going to reimburse them? As long as the demand is there, I don't see them stopping at least until very close to show day. Even then, I still think they'd be on the hunt for GAs to flip until the last minute. 

Perhaps, but if the bots dont stop, then there would be no reason to think you would get stuck with tickets, so whats the harm in waiting a bit in the event it gets "better" for non-bots...some of us arent even in the building to flip!!! yet....also dont think the demand for any lower level or floor/ga seats will drop...

Because we don't know one way or the other what will happen. From the seller's perspective, why take the chance? Granted, for MSG and Philly, the risk is low. Sacramento on a weekday? Different story 

Id argue LV, Bmore, SEA are also fairly hot tickets too (from what we have seen), and would be hard to think you wouldnt be able to F2f those up to show day...Its certainly a chance, but not a huge one IMO, at least for the shows we are talking about, also considering we have month(s) till showtimes for ...anyway, just was thinking about it, thought worth a mention and discussion...

JojoRice

Bots are gonna bot. 

JimmyV

It isn't just a tool for buyers. It is also a tool for sellers. TM is allegedly paying out after the sale and not waiting till after the show. Asking people to hold off on getting paid and run a risk their tickets won't sell at all might be asking a lot. 

Hollywoodbwa

Are we sure it's bots? I got tickets. Can there be that many burner accounts?

PhartN

JimmyV said:

It isn't just a tool for buyers. It is also a tool for sellers. TM is allegedly paying out after the sale and not waiting till after the show. Asking people to hold off on getting paid and run a risk their tickets won't sell at all might be asking a lot. 

Do any of us really think that there is a chance that halfway decent tickets wont sell within 2 weeks of most of these shows?  Like seriously? 

SHZA

Hollywoodbwa said:

Are we sure it's bots? I got tickets. Can there be that many burner accounts?

Where were the tickets that you bought? Yes there can, although the transfers aren't necessarily done through burner accounts 

TA243471

PhartN said:

SHZA said:

PhartN said:

SHZA said:

PhartN said:

SHZA said:

PhartN said:

jwhjr17 said:

PhartN said:

Im saying, if we all here have tickets we want to offload, perhaps it makes sense to wait it out a little?  Instead, people are listing tickets and then acting surprised and getting mad that they got picked up by the bots and are being listed by resellers....cutting all of us out in the process

And I'm saying what does it matter if they're listed today or in a month?  The bots are there regardless.

There has been chatter than bots could slow closer to the show dates...not sure anyone can tell the future, but we can control what we do now.

I don't blame anyone who doesn't want to risk getting stuck with extras or just wants to get the funds sooner 

I dont either, i get it, just frustrated that this is where we are and hoping that we can all collectively take a step back in the name of 10C membership if possible and wait out the BS so that we can all help each other...thats all...everyone has their reasons and needs...but would be cool if folks could take a breath and sit tight for the benefit of those that dont have tix/wiffed on all the pre-sales (of all people, i thought youd agree with this, lol)

I think the premise that the bots will just give up at some point is questionable. Unless there's a glut of prime seats just sitting at face value, why would they stop? And if that does happen, then the people who you asked to wait to help you out might get stuck. Are you going to reimburse them? As long as the demand is there, I don't see them stopping at least until very close to show day. Even then, I still think they'd be on the hunt for GAs to flip until the last minute. 

Perhaps, but if the bots dont stop, then there would be no reason to think you would get stuck with tickets, so whats the harm in waiting a bit in the event it gets "better" for non-bots...some of us arent even in the building to flip!!! yet....also dont think the demand for any lower level or floor/ga seats will drop...

Because we don't know one way or the other what will happen. From the seller's perspective, why take the chance? Granted, for MSG and Philly, the risk is low. Sacramento on a weekday? Different story 

Id argue LV, Bmore, SEA are also fairly hot tickets too (from what we have seen), and would be hard to think you wouldnt be able to F2f those up to show day...Its certainly a chance, but not a huge one IMO, at least for the shows we are talking about, also considering we have month(s) till showtimes for ...anyway, just was thinking about it, thought worth a mention and discussion...

There are 20 pairs of f2f tickets available between the 2 LV shows available right now.

Hollywoodbwa

SHZA said:

Hollywoodbwa said:

Are we sure it's bots? I got tickets. Can there be that many burner accounts?

Where were the tickets that you bought? Yes there can, although the transfers aren't necessarily done through burner accounts 

226 B not great and not bad but no tickets anywhere last more than a few seconds. I'd rather be there than lowers on the end.

PhartN

TA243471 said:

PhartN said:

SHZA said:

PhartN said:

SHZA said:

PhartN said:

SHZA said:

PhartN said:

jwhjr17 said:

PhartN said:

Im saying, if we all here have tickets we want to offload, perhaps it makes sense to wait it out a little?  Instead, people are listing tickets and then acting surprised and getting mad that they got picked up by the bots and are being listed by resellers....cutting all of us out in the process

And I'm saying what does it matter if they're listed today or in a month?  The bots are there regardless.

There has been chatter than bots could slow closer to the show dates...not sure anyone can tell the future, but we can control what we do now.

I don't blame anyone who doesn't want to risk getting stuck with extras or just wants to get the funds sooner 

I dont either, i get it, just frustrated that this is where we are and hoping that we can all collectively take a step back in the name of 10C membership if possible and wait out the BS so that we can all help each other...thats all...everyone has their reasons and needs...but would be cool if folks could take a breath and sit tight for the benefit of those that dont have tix/wiffed on all the pre-sales (of all people, i thought youd agree with this, lol)

I think the premise that the bots will just give up at some point is questionable. Unless there's a glut of prime seats just sitting at face value, why would they stop? And if that does happen, then the people who you asked to wait to help you out might get stuck. Are you going to reimburse them? As long as the demand is there, I don't see them stopping at least until very close to show day. Even then, I still think they'd be on the hunt for GAs to flip until the last minute. 

Perhaps, but if the bots dont stop, then there would be no reason to think you would get stuck with tickets, so whats the harm in waiting a bit in the event it gets "better" for non-bots...some of us arent even in the building to flip!!! yet....also dont think the demand for any lower level or floor/ga seats will drop...

Because we don't know one way or the other what will happen. From the seller's perspective, why take the chance? Granted, for MSG and Philly, the risk is low. Sacramento on a weekday? Different story 

Id argue LV, Bmore, SEA are also fairly hot tickets too (from what we have seen), and would be hard to think you wouldnt be able to F2f those up to show day...Its certainly a chance, but not a huge one IMO, at least for the shows we are talking about, also considering we have month(s) till showtimes for ...anyway, just was thinking about it, thought worth a mention and discussion...

There are 20 pairs of f2f tickets available between the 2 LV shows available right now.

Every single one upper level...

URthekey

There are 20 pairs of f2f tickets available between the 2 LV shows available right now.

But nothing in the lower bowl is listed under 500$, they’re all PJ Premium resales.

JimmyV

PhartN said:

JimmyV said:

It isn't just a tool for buyers. It is also a tool for sellers. TM is allegedly paying out after the sale and not waiting till after the show. Asking people to hold off on getting paid and run a risk their tickets won't sell at all might be asking a lot. 

Do any of us really think that there is a chance that halfway decent tickets wont sell within 2 weeks of most of these shows?  Like seriously? 

California 2022. Week before the tour you could have planned a trip and had your choice of pairs to every show on the floor or in the lower bowl. 

Chicago 2023. 

I'm sure there are other examples. Plenty of people have eaten tickets that didn't sell. 

PhartN

I have to believe that deep down in all of our hardened cold Gen-Z hearts, we all agree with the sentiment of what Im saying....and if not, sorry i brought it up, ill just go back to the impossible task of trying to beat the bots and miss out on tickets that folks are dropping...good luck out there!

JimmyV

Also important to remember. We have seen F2F turn on and off at TM's will these last few years. Just because the window to sell is open today does not mean it will be when you go to sell. 

PhartN

JimmyV said:

PhartN said:

JimmyV said:

It isn't just a tool for buyers. It is also a tool for sellers. TM is allegedly paying out after the sale and not waiting till after the show. Asking people to hold off on getting paid and run a risk their tickets won't sell at all might be asking a lot. 

Do any of us really think that there is a chance that halfway decent tickets wont sell within 2 weeks of most of these shows?  Like seriously? 

California 2022. Week before the tour you could have planned a trip and had your choice of pairs to every show on the floor or in the lower bowl. 

Chicago 2023. 

I'm sure there are other examples. Plenty of people have eaten tickets that didn't sell. 

But....its 2024...and there are shows that have no tickets available and bots are beating fans in F2F right now...apples and oranges...i digress...agree to disagree i guess....