European Tour Sales = Desaster

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  • Zen23
    Zen23 Posts: 492
    tino_11 said:
    IIRC the 2 year insurance thing came from a quote from a member of The Who who mentioned this as a reason that they hadn't gone back to cities they'd cancelled at that time. People then assumed this must be the case for PJ, given they didn't go back to the missed citied on this tour. 
    Summarized exactly right. That is our level of knowledge.
  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,220
    tino_11 said:
    IIRC the 2 year insurance thing came from a quote from a member of The Who who mentioned this as a reason that they hadn't gone back to cities they'd cancelled at that time. People then assumed this must be the case for PJ, given they didn't go back to the missed citied on this tour. 
    Whilst no one can verify it as being correct, its a fairly reasonable assessment as to what is likely to be the case too given the fact the cancelled places didnt get shows this time around. Makes a lot of sense really, and would explain things quite well. 

    I guess we'll never know for sure but then not touring Amsterdam is a real curveball to the usual plans. Yet they also didnt tour Italy which is also a rarity. Always a chance we are putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5.

    I just hope it isnt the case and two nights next summer in the 02 arena is feasible.....LOL
  • THEBIBLEISTEN
    THEBIBLEISTEN Posts: 2,002
    edited July 2024
    seanclax said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    @seanclax has blurted it out on several instances like stone-cold known facts, so he should know the specifics I guess. 
    Dunno why you would name me. But I guess your a [Name calling removed by Admin]
    I think I mentioned it once and it was a consensus of a group discussion that you clearly wernt part of.
    Wind your neck in

    Hey man, just ignore that Spiritual Chaos person. He just lives on here to argue with people and  complain. Don’t let him get to you. Just mute him.  The board would be better if we just ignored his posts. 
    Post edited by Sea on
  • smile6680
    smile6680 Posts: 437
    Why doesn't someone just reach out to the Ten Club for some clarification. I would imagine it is information they either have or could very easily obtain.
  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,220
    smile6680 said:
    Why doesn't someone just reach out to the Ten Club for some clarification. I would imagine it is information they either have or could very easily obtain.
    Its all contractual legal stuff that is never going to be shared with us, and in all farness nor should it be. 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,486
    edited July 2024
    They did already play Amsterdam in 2022 though. So it might have just not have been the best route to take through Europe this time with the limited time they had (remember them saying they couldn't even reschedule this year, because of scheduling reasons. If that is true). 

    I don't think they have ever missed (?) Amsterdam coming here. So that leads some credence to them not being "allowed" to. But, could also be they just happened to not prioritize Amsterdam (together with other countries) this one short tour.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,486
    edited July 2024
    THEBIBLEISTEN said:
    seanclax said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    @seanclax has blurted it out on several instances like stone-cold known facts, so he should know the specifics I guess. 
    Dunno why you would name me. But I guess your a [Name calling removed by Admin].
    I think I mentioned it once and it was a consensus of a group discussion that you clearly wernt part of.
    Wind your neck in

    Hey man, just ignore that Spiritual Chaos person. He just lives on here to argue with people and  complain. Don’t let him get to you. Just mute him.  The board would be better if we just ignored his posts. 
    You are way to obsessed. Creepy stuff.

    Post edited by Sea on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Ryan
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    It’s odd that they skipped Amsterdam with the two-show-per-city model they are largely doing, when that is one of the few established cities in London with history of selling out two nights.
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,543
    smile6680 said:
    Why doesn't someone just reach out to the Ten Club for some clarification. I would imagine it is information they either have or could very easily obtain.
    We could ask them to attach the band's health records while we're at it 
  • drfox
    drfox Posts: 1,484
    If there is a 2 year agreement I imagine this is specific to the contract between the band and the insurer. Also if it does exist it has to be on a city basis and not a country basis, otherwise the band wouldn’t have returned to the US in 2023 after cancelling Sacremento and Vegas in 2022…..
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,486
    edited July 2024
    Ryan said:
    It’s odd that they skipped Amsterdam with the two-show-per-city model they are largely doing, when that is one of the few established cities in London with history of selling out two nights.
    Maybe they and the promoter booking them, were confident in, from the data they had, that 2x Berlin shows and 2x Barcelona shows etc would be successful on the same or a higher level. Ziggo Dome is what, 15-17.000? Then think to instead sell 23.000 tickets for two nights in Berlin.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Kearn5y
    Kearn5y Ireland Posts: 3,035
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Ryan said:
    It’s odd that they skipped Amsterdam with the two-show-per-city model they are largely doing, when that is one of the few established cities in London with history of selling out two nights.
    Maybe they and the promoter booking them, were confident in, from the data they had, that 2x Berlin shows and 2x Barcelona shows etc would be successful on the same or a higher level. Ziggo Dome is what, 15-17.000? Then think to instead sell 22.000 tickets for two nights in Berlin.
    Maybe they just wanted to do something different
    Kearnsy
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,486
    Kearn5y said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Ryan said:
    It’s odd that they skipped Amsterdam with the two-show-per-city model they are largely doing, when that is one of the few established cities in London with history of selling out two nights.
    Maybe they and the promoter booking them, were confident in, from the data they had, that 2x Berlin shows and 2x Barcelona shows etc would be successful on the same or a higher level. Ziggo Dome is what, 15-17.000? Then think to instead sell 22.000 tickets for two nights in Berlin.
    Maybe they just wanted to do something different
    When you want different, you play to 55-60.000 in Gothenburg, Sweden. The band knows this. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Kearn5y
    Kearn5y Ireland Posts: 3,035
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Kearn5y said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Ryan said:
    It’s odd that they skipped Amsterdam with the two-show-per-city model they are largely doing, when that is one of the few established cities in London with history of selling out two nights.
    Maybe they and the promoter booking them, were confident in, from the data they had, that 2x Berlin shows and 2x Barcelona shows etc would be successful on the same or a higher level. Ziggo Dome is what, 15-17.000? Then think to instead sell 22.000 tickets for two nights in Berlin.
    Maybe they just wanted to do something different
    When you want different, you play to 55-60.000 in Gothenburg, Sweden. The band knows this. 
    Well, hopefully you get what they already know.
    Kearnsy
  • seanclax
    seanclax Posts: 576
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    seanclax said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    @seanclax has blurted it out on several instances like stone-cold known facts, so he should know the specifics I guess. 
    Dunno why you would name me. But I guess your a childish prick.
    I think I mentioned it once and it was a consensus of a group discussion that you clearly wernt part of.
    Wind your neck in

    I can go to to the nearest McDonalds and have a group discussion with some truckers about brain surgery and reach a consensus too. Wouldn't matter one bit in itself. As a hypothesis perhaps, in a limited fashion. But not hard facts.
    If you can find where i stated anything anything as a FACT I'll concede your point
  • THEBIBLEISTEN
    THEBIBLEISTEN Posts: 2,002
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    THEBIBLEISTEN said:
    seanclax said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    @seanclax has blurted it out on several instances like stone-cold known facts, so he should know the specifics I guess. 
    Dunno why you would name me. But I guess your a childish prick.
    I think I mentioned it once and it was a consensus of a group discussion that you clearly wernt part of.
    Wind your neck in

    Hey man, just ignore that Spiritual Chaos person. He just lives on here to argue with people and  complain. Don’t let him get to you. Just mute him.  The board would be better if we just ignored his posts. 
    You are way too obsessed. Creepy stuff.
    You keep proving our point. Time to log off for a bit and go outside .
  • on2legs
    on2legs Posts: 15,980
    The band will most certainly be back to Europe soon.  They love you guys and they know you love them.  The ticket pricing was clearly a miscalculation and I think they probably know it now.  So I imagine there will be a revised strategy for next time but they will most assuredly be back enthusiastically.  
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  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,220
    on2legs said:
    The band will most certainly be back to Europe soon.  They love you guys and they know you love them.  The ticket pricing was clearly a miscalculation and I think they probably know it now.  So I imagine there will be a revised strategy for next time but they will most assuredly be back enthusiastically.  
    I am a huge fan of your thinking
  • JeBurkhardt
    JeBurkhardt Posts: 5,331
    Kearn5y said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Ryan said:
    It’s odd that they skipped Amsterdam with the two-show-per-city model they are largely doing, when that is one of the few established cities in London with history of selling out two nights.
    Maybe they and the promoter booking them, were confident in, from the data they had, that 2x Berlin shows and 2x Barcelona shows etc would be successful on the same or a higher level. Ziggo Dome is what, 15-17.000? Then think to instead sell 22.000 tickets for two nights in Berlin.
    Maybe they just wanted to do something different
    If you insist on bringing logic into this, I am afraid you might be asked to leave.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,486
    THEBIBLEISTEN said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    THEBIBLEISTEN said:
    seanclax said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    @seanclax has blurted it out on several instances like stone-cold known facts, so he should know the specifics I guess. 
    Dunno why you would name me. But I guess your a childish prick.
    I think I mentioned it once and it was a consensus of a group discussion that you clearly wernt part of.
    Wind your neck in

    Hey man, just ignore that Spiritual Chaos person. He just lives on here to argue with people and  complain. Don’t let him get to you. Just mute him.  The board would be better if we just ignored his posts. 
    You are way too obsessed. Creepy stuff.
    You keep proving our point. Time to log off for a bit and go outside .
    Yikes
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"

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