Official 2024 Ticket Lottery Results Thread

Go Beavers

captcola said:

I’m not an expert on this and maybe it’s a horrible analogy, but this is the way I look it.  if I spend $2 a week for 30 years on a Powerball ticket, I don’t expect to have better odds than the person playing for the first time.   We both have a chance to win the jackpot, in this case GA or a smaller prize like P1 or P2.   In this case if you win a smaller prize, the person playing longer actually wins a bigger smaller prize which is better seats. 

It’s not a bad comparison really, because there’s regular Powerball player who in their mind think they have a somewhat realistic chance of winning. Some people just don’t understand probability. 

washed in black

BF25394 said:

washed in black said:

BF25394 said:

EBowie said:

I remember when having a good 10C number actually mattered.  That was cool.  Now we live in this "everyone gets a trophy" era and my years of faithfully maintaining my membership seems to not matter.  What's the point of having membership numbers if we're all just the same ping-pong ball in a lottery machine?

Sigh. Your seniority will give you better seats within your section if you get tickets. Seniority has never guaranteed tickets. Yes, seniority would have put you closer to the stage before the band brought back the GA section, but the GA section is not new for 2024 so that is not a change.

Pearl Jam might just believe in the radical notion that someone who wasn't born when you joined the Ten Club should also have the opportunity to watch a show from in front of the stage.

Having a good 10c number back in the 2000's mattered for getting tix, because there weren't as many 10c members. There are more members now -- yes, some have let their numbers lapse, some never re-joined etc. - but when GA was added to US shows, many more people signed up. There was finally a way to get up closer without having a number under 100xxx.

Want guaranteed good seats with your low number - ask PJ to eliminate GA and go back to all reserved. I don't think most people want that.

It didn't matter for "getting" tickets. It mattered for assigning tickets once "gotten."

I will bet you dollars to donuts that there are fewer Ten Club members in 2024 than there were in the decade of the 2000s.

ETA: I did misspeak. Lower number didn't help get tix, however, the pool was smaller.

Yes, it still helps when seats are assigned, or it's supposed to. Last year's tour was a bunch of screw ups with the re-assignments.

As for number of 10c members, I disagree. I am certain that many resellers have signed up, especially since GA became an option. I also believe that many members have multiple accounts. I know someone who has 11 unique U2 fanclub accounts. No doubt there are PJ fans who do the same. It was different when you had to pick up 10c tix with ID, that changed with mobile ticketing.

We have 2 accounts in our house, my husband's and mine. My daughter (she moved out a few years ago) has an account (I used to pay for it when she lived here) as does her bf. 

Kevinman

BF25394 said:

Kevinman said:

BloodMeridian80 said:

bbiggs said:

People act like this is cracking the Enigma code.  Any one of a couple very simple and reasonable fixes to the system would help improve it.  

1.  Allow show prioritization again - the easiest and least impactful to PJ's bottom line.
2.  Allow GA only selection again - the least likely (see PJ bottom line).

For those that think this process is good, knowing that some 10C members go 10/10 and others go 0/10:

A.  They probably won a whole bunch of shows and/or GA selections.
B.  They are blindly devoted to anything 10C or PJ.
C.  They are lying to themselves.

Yes I know how lotteries work and yes I've successfully taken college level probability and statistics courses.  The fact is that the system is majorly flawed and can be vastly improved by one simple fix (see #1 above).

I got what I wanted (3 for 3, no GA tho), and I can see there were issues and not just the predictable imbalances that would come with no priority. Something funky definitely happened with the 2 night stands in the US. Probably has to do with the alog's used. Unfortunately, as long as TM is allowed to run it, there will be issues. I guess with the F2F, if you're committed to going to a show, you will get in with a couple of exceptions.

If I have to use F2F why am I keeping a membership for 25+ years?  I’m asking myself….

Membership gives you the opportunity to get access to thousands of tickets before the general public. Maintaining a continuous membership gives you better seats within your section if you succeed in getting tickets in the lottery, which your membership does not guarantee (and has not guaranteed).

Thanks Captain Obvious.  I didn’t ask what a membership gets me.

pjl44

B4idiejets said:

Been reading the comments of this thread and I've come to a conclusion. And this is coming from a long time member and someone who lost out on shows in my hometown this go around. I really hope some prominent 10c organizers or even some band members read some of the comments on this thread. Not to come together and find a solution on how to impossibly make everyone happy about this ticket lottery. Nooo, but to realize they are missing the mark on a future merch idea............. you win some, you lose some people. Some of you are acting like entitled whiny little babies. Get over it already

The windup is excruciating 

CrazyMary34

I selected every possible option for the shows and ended up with:

LV 1 GA
LV 2 GA
SEA 2 GA
MSG 2 P2
Wrigley 1 P1
Wrigley 2 P1

Missed Philly Balt

First tour I’ve ever hit any GA although my ticket buddy has previously. Sorry for all of those who missed. Imagine the public sale will be a mess so hopefully a lot will have F2F success.

hooper_two

BF25394 said:

washed in black said:

mpedone said:

jimjam1982 said:

GA/P1 - feels like its own GA only option.  The GA pit is a different color.
P1 is the blue
P2 was the orange

It wasn't particularly clear but I feel like the P stands for price. Since seated/GA are the same price they get tagged with the P1

Except that the option said "GA or P1 Reserved - Standing or Seating", so it wasn't just price.

Correct

It is possible that the Reserved P1 in option one refers to the seats on the floor, while the Reserved P1 in option two refers to the sections in the lower bowl of the arena (with Reserved P2 being the sections in the upper bowl of the arena).

I speculated earlier that there were no doubt people who did not choose all three options and that this would result in better chances of those people being shut out, and this thread is proving that assertion right. People may have had different reasons for not checking all three boxes. Some preferred getting no ticket to getting a ticket in P2. Some did not read the instructions. Some did not understand the instructions. Some did not believe the instructions. Whatever the reason, the result is that some people who would have gotten tickets if they had selected all three options ended up not getting tickets.

Poor instructions are bad UX and a form of inequity.

pjl44

pjl44 said:

B4idiejets said:

Been reading the comments of this thread and I've come to a conclusion. And this is coming from a long time member and someone who lost out on shows in my hometown this go around. I really hope some prominent 10c organizers or even some band members read some of the comments on this thread. Not to come together and find a solution on how to impossibly make everyone happy about this ticket lottery. Nooo, but to realize they are missing the mark on a future merch idea............. you win some, you lose some people. Some of you are acting like entitled whiny little babies. Get over it already

The windup is excruciating 

You can also hear the limp punchline being delivered with a phlegmy smoker's cough

BF25394

Kevinman said:

BF25394 said:

Kevinman said:

BloodMeridian80 said:

bbiggs said:

People act like this is cracking the Enigma code.  Any one of a couple very simple and reasonable fixes to the system would help improve it.  

1.  Allow show prioritization again - the easiest and least impactful to PJ's bottom line.
2.  Allow GA only selection again - the least likely (see PJ bottom line).

For those that think this process is good, knowing that some 10C members go 10/10 and others go 0/10:

A.  They probably won a whole bunch of shows and/or GA selections.
B.  They are blindly devoted to anything 10C or PJ.
C.  They are lying to themselves.

Yes I know how lotteries work and yes I've successfully taken college level probability and statistics courses.  The fact is that the system is majorly flawed and can be vastly improved by one simple fix (see #1 above).

I got what I wanted (3 for 3, no GA tho), and I can see there were issues and not just the predictable imbalances that would come with no priority. Something funky definitely happened with the 2 night stands in the US. Probably has to do with the alog's used. Unfortunately, as long as TM is allowed to run it, there will be issues. I guess with the F2F, if you're committed to going to a show, you will get in with a couple of exceptions.

If I have to use F2F why am I keeping a membership for 25+ years?  I’m asking myself….

Membership gives you the opportunity to get access to thousands of tickets before the general public. Maintaining a continuous membership gives you better seats within your section if you succeed in getting tickets in the lottery, which your membership does not guarantee (and has not guaranteed).

Thanks Captain Obvious.  I didn’t ask what a membership gets me.

You implied via a rhetorical question that it doesn't get you anything.

BF25394

hooper_two said:

BF25394 said:

washed in black said:

mpedone said:

jimjam1982 said:

GA/P1 - feels like its own GA only option.  The GA pit is a different color.
P1 is the blue
P2 was the orange

It wasn't particularly clear but I feel like the P stands for price. Since seated/GA are the same price they get tagged with the P1

Except that the option said "GA or P1 Reserved - Standing or Seating", so it wasn't just price.

Correct

It is possible that the Reserved P1 in option one refers to the seats on the floor, while the Reserved P1 in option two refers to the sections in the lower bowl of the arena (with Reserved P2 being the sections in the upper bowl of the arena).

I speculated earlier that there were no doubt people who did not choose all three options and that this would result in better chances of those people being shut out, and this thread is proving that assertion right. People may have had different reasons for not checking all three boxes. Some preferred getting no ticket to getting a ticket in P2. Some did not read the instructions. Some did not understand the instructions. Some did not believe the instructions. Whatever the reason, the result is that some people who would have gotten tickets if they had selected all three options ended up not getting tickets.

Poor instructions are bad UX and a form of inequity.

Oh, boy.

iwasatpj20

I feel for those who were shutout in the draw.  I recommend being patient and having good luck with the verified fan.  If verified fan doesn't work out, I was able to get a single for the second Fort Worth show last year on Ticketmaster about two months before the show as a standard ticket.

Also, there will be opportunities to get tickets on the side and behind the stage.  Don't fret and there will be F2F too.

LC

Did anyone lose P1 for Fenway at either show?  Sure seems like plenty of tix available there....albeit 1 million miles from the stage.

JosephK

LC said:

Did anyone lose P1 for Fenway at either show?  Sure seems like plenty of tix available there....albeit 1 million miles from the stage.

Yes I did not get Fenway P1 it seems. 

ewester032687

LC said:

Did anyone lose P1 for Fenway at either show?  Sure seems like plenty of tix available there....albeit 1 million miles from the stage.

I didn’t get P1 for night 1. I did get P1 for night 2. 

njhaley1

ewester032687 said:

LC said:

Did anyone lose P1 for Fenway at either show?  Sure seems like plenty of tix available there....albeit 1 million miles from the stage.

I didn’t get P1 for night 1. I did get P1 for night 2. 

Just to point out, these reports also fall under "didn't get the same thing for both shows at the same venue" that are being overlooked. 

YAKIMATSU

PJammin' said:

B4idiejets said:

Been reading the comments of this thread and I've come to a conclusion. And this is coming from a long time member and someone who lost out on shows in my hometown this go around. I really hope some prominent 10c organizers or even some band members read some of the comments on this thread. Not to come together and find a solution on how to impossibly make everyone happy about this ticket lottery. Nooo, but to realize they are missing the mark on a future merch idea............. you win some, you lose some people. Some of you are acting like entitled whiny little babies. Get over it already

Well, that’s fine and dandy, but I don’t think any Ten Club member should strikeout on their own home show if they live there and are in the club. People flying in shouldn’t have preference over someone who actually lives in the city. It just seems jacked up that you can’t get a ticket in your own backyard. 🤷‍♂️ 

So, the people that have NEVER had a home show and have to travel to every show are to be considered less than deserving of a seat.  Hmmm, yeah no.  Be happy that you COULD get a home show that's more than some of us can even hope for.

LukinTimer

NewfieintheUSA said:

curmudgeoness said:

This was way, way, WAY better than the F5 days.

And much worse than priority days run by TC

 ^^^^^^ THIS. 10c handled the draw much better. And I trust them.

And.... they know we're all nuts. 

pjl44

I think we need to make a distinction between "person flying in for 2 shows" vs. "person flying in for 2 shows, which are numbers 7 and 8 of their 13 show extravaganza"

RatherStarved

JB56195 said:

Wife cancelled the credit card we used for requests because it had a legitimate fraud show up the morning of the lottery.  No tickets for me.  Tried contacting the 10 club. Haven't heard anything and doubt I will.  Seems like they could just notify you that you won and have a bill due.

Ex wife? Jk jk 

NewfieintheUSA

pjl44 said:

I think we need to make a distinction between "person flying in for 2 shows" vs. "person flying in for 2 shows, which are numbers 7 and 8 of their 13 show extravaganza"

Yep

gvntofly1021

pjl44 said:

I think we need to make a distinction between "person flying in for 2 shows" vs. "person flying in for 2 shows, which are numbers 7 and 8 of their 13 show extravaganza"

*nods*