Why no GA only option??? It sucks!

Gern Blansten

mookeywrench said:

Keep it and people will complain how they were completely shut out for all their lottery picks.

Damned of they do, damned if they don't.

That right there....

SHZA

huntersthompson said:

I hate even dipping my toe into this conversation as everyone has differing (but pretty close) views on this...especially if we have watched the degredation of seat locations over the years.  For me the F2F option has made this "GA or lower seats" selection pretty simple.  If you hate your seats it is easy to place them into the F2F portal to sell them to someone who doesn't mind being "in the house".  You have to put your name into the hat for the GA tickets though... "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take".  For me it is completely worth it to remain a 10C member for the potential of getting a GA ticket...
I know that it won't have any bearing, but I did finally (luckily?) get GA seats to the cancelled Sacramento (hometown) show.  I am not sure that lightning will strike twice and that I will be awarded those tickets again....but I am crossing my fingers that it does.

It is easy to place them in the F2F portal, but there's no guarantee that they'll sell. There were plenty of unsold F2F uppers last year and even lowers for the 2022 California shows. 

Spiritual_Chaos

PB11041 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PB11041 said:

The GA or bust position is just amazing to me. If you only want to be in the GA section and other seats are beneath you don't enter the lottery. 

Not calling you a liar, but it being "amazing" for someone would really amaze me - with there having been a GA and a SEATED option for forever (4ever). And not a "GA but perhaps who knows a SEATED".

I doubt it really amazes you. but who knows.

no it does amaze me, but I totally unamazed that you are willing to pick a fight about it because that seems to float your boat about every topic on this forum.

Hmm

JimmyV

Aside from Chicago last year - two arena shows in a city where they have repeatedly sold out a ballpark - I don't know that fans have actually ended up in the rafters. Maybe a little farther back, but I don't know that anyone here has really gotten the worst seats anywhere other than in the United Center. 

That said...the MSG and LA maps this tour are shit. 

SHZA

There is a GA only option: 

1. Don't enter the lottery. 
2. Stalk fan to fan. 
3. Wait for GA to pop up and buy 

jwhjr17

SHZA said:

There is a GA only option: 

1. Don't enter the lottery. 
2. Stalk fan to fan. 
3. Wait for GA to pop up and buy 
4. Lose tickets to SHZA
5. Try again
6. See #4

FIxed it

SHZA

jwhjr17 said:

SHZA said:

There is a GA only option: 

1. Don't enter the lottery. 
2. Stalk fan to fan. 
3. Wait for GA to pop up and buy 
4. Lose tickets to SHZA
5. Try again
6. See #4

FIxed it

Touché 

il vecchio

SHZA said:

There is a GA only option: 

1. Don't enter the lottery. 
2. Stalk fan to fan. 
3. Wait for GA to pop up and buy 


THIS!! THAT SIMPLE!

PJ_Soul

True. Yet another reason to not go through the 10C sale and ditch the membership altogether. Hmmm. I'm not giving up membership myself, but I sure do get why people would. Surely PJ doesn't actually want to drive people away from their fan club?

il vecchio

PJ_Soul said:

True. Yet another reason to not go through the 10C sale and ditch the membership altogether. Hmmm. I'm not giving up membership myself, but I sure do get why people would. Surely PJ doesn't actually want to drive people away from their fan club?

and i think that the real change is, given that PJ is not 80 years old and likely to tour again at least i think 3-5 times, to better enjoy future tours, to step out this time, massively, send a message, and get things better, or at least not worse next tour. We can't expect not 10c members to think like this, but we should.

Spiritual_Chaos

PJ_Soul said:

True. Yet another reason to not go through the 10C sale and ditch the membership altogether. Hmmm. I'm not giving up membership myself, but I sure do get why people would. Surely PJ doesn't actually want to drive people away from their fan club?

Doubt they care if the make enough on the price hikes on the ones remaining. Tenclub doesn't really feel like a living breathing creative thing.

This tour feels like a Clive Barker written nightmare... like they got thrown into a whole new system at last minute without having time to think it through... It feels like a shitty backup plan hold together by tape and string. Like they got fooled and stuck with shit. No way they would have wanted this system instead of the former one unless it is all, all, all, all about money and nothing, nothing, nothing about the fans.

So, some NAIVE part of me think they will fix this for the next tour. But... yeah, no

huntersthompson

SHZA said:

huntersthompson said:

I hate even dipping my toe into this conversation as everyone has differing (but pretty close) views on this...especially if we have watched the degredation of seat locations over the years.  For me the F2F option has made this "GA or lower seats" selection pretty simple.  If you hate your seats it is easy to place them into the F2F portal to sell them to someone who doesn't mind being "in the house".  You have to put your name into the hat for the GA tickets though... "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take".  For me it is completely worth it to remain a 10C member for the potential of getting a GA ticket...
I know that it won't have any bearing, but I did finally (luckily?) get GA seats to the cancelled Sacramento (hometown) show.  I am not sure that lightning will strike twice and that I will be awarded those tickets again....but I am crossing my fingers that it does.

It is easy to place them in the F2F portal, but there's no guarantee that they'll sell. There were plenty of unsold F2F uppers last year and even lowers for the 2022 California shows. 

Thanks for that info-I didn't realize that F2F tickets weren't selling at some venues. That certainly would cause me to at least think twice about my choice...

Couple of things:
1.  This is a reason to not put in for "all tickets" if you aren't certainly going to the show regardless of your seat position--stay solely with GA and lower level
2. Anyone who failed to purchase a F2F for the Dave Krusen Fresno show (lowers) missed a hell of a show.

ilockyer

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJ_Soul said:

True. Yet another reason to not go through the 10C sale and ditch the membership altogether. Hmmm. I'm not giving up membership myself, but I sure do get why people would. Surely PJ doesn't actually want to drive people away from their fan club?

Tenclub doesn't really feel like a living breathing creative thing.

At this point, it doesn't incur any costs, giving us a bootleg code is just a matter of getting a computer to generate them. It's not like when they produced magazines and vinyl. 

What it does do, at the very minimum, is give the Pearl Jam Inc (for want of a better term) a guaranteed income each year. If there's still 100k of us that's $3m for no real output. That must go a long way toward covering the staffing costs etc. 

Discopij

I believe one of the main reasons there is no 'GA only' anymore is because of all the people who created multiple/fake/duplicate 10c memberships in order to flood the 'GA only' lotteries.  Now most of those accounts get the worst 10c tickets with the new system so perhaps it cuts down on this buffoonery.

Since PJ only seems to play their favorite cities for the most part, or add a few lesser played cities as part of a shorter tour, they have little risk of not selling out their shows so i don't think the GA/Reserved requirement is done purely to 'sell more tickets'.

I wish they'd price 10c GA tickets closer to market ($400 or something like that) in order to fund cheaper nosebleeds for the fans, regardless of how they conduct the lottery.

E.K

For the Australian tour in 2009 it was GA only for Ten Club members.  Now this tour I have to sweat it out wondering if I'll be standing or seated.  I don't want to be stuck in a seat all night.  That's not how I roll when it comes to PJ.

PB11041

PJ_Soul said:

PB11041 said:

The GA or bust position is just amazing to me. If you only want to be in the GA section and other seats are beneath you don't enter the lottery.   The way it is now, if you have joined the fanclub last week, you could stand just as good a chance as getting GA as a member from 1991.  Deal with it.  

But the seats are mostly pretty bad seats for the price. That's the big problem. 10C reserved mostly aren't the best in the house anymore (a small number of long-time members will get good ones). Those are now for those who can afford premium tickets. The whole thing is pretty BS if you ask me. They absolutely should still have a GA only option, when the alternative puts fan club members in the rafters for the SAME PRICE, and at the same time crippling the fan club members' ability to even sell the bad reserved tix they don't want, since they aren't good tickets and cost too much. There is nothing about this new method that isn't worse for 10C members. The result is clear: so many members are saying they aren't even going to register for the 10C sale because of this and just stick with the general sale, which makes their membership pretty damn useless. I feel like PJ are shooting themselves in the feet here.

I had plenty of good seats in 2022 and 2023.  And the no GA only option was put into play when the 2022 postponed 2020 show was back in line.  I ended up with GA for Las Vegas (cancelled) and Quebec.  I had not had GA tickets since that was added back in to shows in NA. All the years I have been in this club I had not been in GA since 1996 in Toronto. I have had good seats some years, great seats other years and pretty consistently great in the last two.  In between that I got shutout all the time.  IF the issue is that high numbers don't get you premium seats I get that, but some people have been at this a long time and when things did not come up roses, they are still around.

MOTSy

Just went to enter for Manchester and noticed that the whole floor is being classed as 'pit'! Could this be a mistake?

MOTSy

It's the same for Barcelona, seriously?!

BF25394

I put in my requests today for all the shows from Vancouver through Seattle. It seems clear to me from looking at those maps that the places where some of the lower-bowl sections are being held back are venue-driven, not artist-driven. If withholding those seats is about maximizing PJ Premium revenue for the band and/or Ticketmaster, then why wouldn't they be doing the same thing in Vancouver, Portland, Sacramento and Las Vegas? (They aren't withholding seats in those venues, but they are in L.A. and at MSG.)

tino_11

MOTSy said:

It's the same for Barcelona, seriously?!

In Europe the whole floor is nearly always GA. Just depends on demand and allocation of tickets as to whether you’ll get in there