When I worked in TV they the number one cardinal rule was never use red font. It has never looked good!
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I read through the thread and even after that I was still disappointed when I checked mine out this morning.
As noted, they upscaled the DVD video, which was already a not-great transfer. So things that were red flags 25 years ago (like red chroma blocking and dot crawl) are now upscaled! These are direct screenshots from the blu-ray
Also worth noting the DVD had Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround and this Blu-Ray only has PCM Stereo. I don't remember if it the 5.1 mix on the DVD was any good, so the stereo is probably the better track. But (1) the DVD had 5.1 audio and (2) the blu-ray packaging and disc have the Dolby Digital logo, but there's no Dolby Digital here. Dolby Labs could probably fine them for misusing the mark.
-leehro
They didn't keep the surround track?
And also, I can't find a reason to why they would have upscaled the DVD... and not have a HQ master to upscale. But your screenshots do look like ass.
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
These problems don't exist with film. There were limitations of analog video (for TV, VHS, LaserDisc and analog connections) and for compressed digital formats like DVD. So no, it wasn't going to stop filmmakers. Look up dot crawl or chroma subsampling.
And also, I can't find a reason to why they would have upscaled the DVD... and not have a HQ master to upscale. But your screenshots do look like ass.
No they didn't keep the surround track.
The reason for the upscale is most likely cost. Upscaling a DVD is far cheaper. One could do it in an afternoon with free software. Working with film is far more costly, and I have no idea how this was edited originally. So I'm sure it would have been a lot more work to do it right, but I think the audience is here and would pay a premium for a deluxe treatment, so why not try? It seems like they gave up doing anything but the bare minimum for reissues/remasters after the vs/vitalogy reissue.
It is a shame, because the footage from these sessions used in PJ20 looks great. That's obviously a clean transfer from the film and not an upscale, but PJ20 was a feature film project with a budget.
I read through the thread and even after that I was still disappointed when I checked mine out this morning.
As noted, they upscaled the DVD video, which was already a not-great transfer. So things that were red flags 25 years ago (like red chroma blocking and dot crawl) are now upscaled! These are direct screenshots from the blu-ray
Also worth noting the DVD had Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround and this Blu-Ray only has PCM Stereo. I don't remember if it the 5.1 mix on the DVD was any good, so the stereo is probably the better track. But (1) the DVD had 5.1 audio and (2) the blu-ray packaging and disc have the Dolby Digital logo, but there's no Dolby Digital here. Dolby Labs could probably fine them for misusing the mark.
-leehro
They didn't keep the surround track?
And also, I can't find a reason to why they would have upscaled the DVD... and not have a HQ master to upscale. But your screenshots do look like ass.
It was a little common in the videotape area, for things shot on film, to edit them on video tape. The master could be videotape, and to get a true HD version they might have to get the original film elements, and reedit it on film :( or they lost it, or it got damaged :(
I read through the thread and even after that I was still disappointed when I checked mine out this morning.
As noted, they upscaled the DVD video, which was already a not-great transfer. So things that were red flags 25 years ago (like red chroma blocking and dot crawl) are now upscaled! These are direct screenshots from the blu-ray
Also worth noting the DVD had Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround and this Blu-Ray only has PCM Stereo. I don't remember if it the 5.1 mix on the DVD was any good, so the stereo is probably the better track. But (1) the DVD had 5.1 audio and (2) the blu-ray packaging and disc have the Dolby Digital logo, but there's no Dolby Digital here. Dolby Labs could probably fine them for misusing the mark.
-leehro
They didn't keep the surround track?
And also, I can't find a reason to why they would have upscaled the DVD... and not have a HQ master to upscale. But your screenshots do look like ass.
It was a little common in the videotape area, for things shot on film, to edit them on video tape. The master could be videotape, and to get a true HD version they might have to get the original film elements, and reedit it on film :( or they lost it, or it got damaged :(
Yes. But there is a difference in having a HQ master even in SD, and upscaling the compressed-for-DVD mpeg2 file. Or who knows, ripping the video off a pressed DVD copy and upscaling that. As the poster I quoted alluded to
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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The audio sounded quite good, but I can't say that it sounded any better than the DVD version.
I feel dumb for buying this.
And also, I can't find a reason to why they would have upscaled the DVD... and not have a HQ master to upscale. But your screenshots do look like ass.
These problems don't exist with film. There were limitations of analog video (for TV, VHS, LaserDisc and analog connections) and for compressed digital formats like DVD. So no, it wasn't going to stop filmmakers. Look up dot crawl or chroma subsampling. No they didn't keep the surround track. The reason for the upscale is most likely cost. Upscaling a DVD is far cheaper. One could do it in an afternoon with free software. Working with film is far more costly, and I have no idea how this was edited originally. So I'm sure it would have been a lot more work to do it right, but I think the audience is here and would pay a premium for a deluxe treatment, so why not try? It seems like they gave up doing anything but the bare minimum for reissues/remasters after the vs/vitalogy reissue. It is a shame, because the footage from these sessions used in PJ20 looks great. That's obviously a clean transfer from the film and not an upscale, but PJ20 was a feature film project with a budget.