Uh, ok. Does Chuck Berry rock? What about the Beatles, but their softer stuff?
Chuck Berry? Of course. Johnny B Goode? Roll Over Beethoven?
The Beatles softer stuff should preclude them? So what about Yellow Moon and Buckle Up?
That’s my point! Saying only stuff that “rocked” belongs in the RRHOF will quickly get you to a band that earnestly released Backspacer. “Rocked” isn’t the standard for what belongs in a club that is about “rock” in name only.
Proves my point once again, the hall is not aptly named.
Rock is what you believe it is. Some might say Iron Maiden is metal. Which is not the same as rock. Which then doesn’t belong in the hall. Who truly gives a fuck.
Obviously you, as you are arguing so vehemently.
Maiden is metal…. but boy do they rock.
Just calling balls and strikes over here.
Balls and strikes hey. Sounds like what is happening to the HOF induction committee. Balls striking their chins judging by these selections. The only rock band has a member on the selection committee.
To be fair, this was Rage's 6th time on the ballot, so they've missed out a few times too. And it's my understanding that as a member on the selection committee, Morello constantly advocates for Iron Maiden to be inducted, as he did for KISS years ago.
RATM deserves to be in there, but not ahead of SG, Maiden, Janie’s Addiction and a bevy of others. Hell, PJ didn’t deserve to be in before them either.
Pearl Jam deserved to be first ballot HOF
In the popular music hall of fame (which this is) definitely.
In a true RnR HOF - no chance
They're not true rock?
Of course they are. You stated they were first ballot HOFers. I disagree. They got in on first ballot because it’s a popular music HOF. There are too many important bands ignored by the committee. Album sales aren’t everything.
PJ were important and popular
😂😂 I can’t continue to pretend that I care about this. The hall is a joke. I wish PJ would have told them to go fuck themselves with the “honour” the way others have. They did it with a Grammy, what is the difference.
a chance to celebrate with their families and the people who have worked tirelessly for them. there is a reason Stone named them all
Uh, ok. Does Chuck Berry rock? What about the Beatles, but their softer stuff?
Chuck Berry? Of course. Johnny B Goode? Roll Over Beethoven?
The Beatles softer stuff should preclude them? So what about Yellow Moon and Buckle Up?
That’s my point! Saying only stuff that “rocked” belongs in the RRHOF will quickly get you to a band that earnestly released Backspacer. “Rocked” isn’t the standard for what belongs in a club that is about “rock” in name only.
Proves my point once again, the hall is not aptly named.
Rock is what you believe it is. Some might say Iron Maiden is metal. Which is not the same as rock. Which then doesn’t belong in the hall. Who truly gives a fuck.
Obviously you, as you are arguing so vehemently.
Maiden is metal…. but boy do they rock.
Just calling balls and strikes over here.
Balls and strikes hey. Sounds like what is happening to the HOF induction committee. Balls striking their chins judging by these selections. The only rock band has a member on the selection committee.
To be fair, this was Rage's 6th time on the ballot, so they've missed out a few times too. And it's my understanding that as a member on the selection committee, Morello constantly advocates for Iron Maiden to be inducted, as he did for KISS years ago.
RATM deserves to be in there, but not ahead of SG, Maiden, Janie’s Addiction and a bevy of others. Hell, PJ didn’t deserve to be in before them either.
Pearl Jam deserved to be first ballot HOF
In the popular music hall of fame (which this is) definitely.
In a true RnR HOF - no chance
They're not true rock?
Of course they are. You stated they were first ballot HOFers. I disagree. They got in on first ballot because it’s a popular music HOF. There are too many important bands ignored by the committee. Album sales aren’t everything.
PJ were important and popular
😂😂 I can’t continue to pretend that I care about this. The hall is a joke. I wish PJ would have told them to go fuck themselves with the “honour” the way others have. They did it with a Grammy, what is the difference.
Eddie has been involved with the Hall since about 93. He inducted four bands/artists
It either rocks or it doesn’t. No argument really. Maiden and SG rock. George Michael, Willie Nelson, etc do not rock. They probably belong in a hall, just one that doesn’t rock
Billy Ray Cyrus might be a "rockstar" in the world of country.
Put him in the country hall of fame, definitely. In the rock hall? Hard pass.
Hell, some 22 year old with 2.5 million TikTok followers might be a "rockstar" but can't sing worth a damn. They absolutely do not belong in Cleveland.
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You can all name a bunch of reasons why they should care about an induction to a hall of sham. They are involved, they are older, it was for the crew, to influence future inductees, etc etc. It all falls flat to me. Awards for art are completely subjective and have never meant anything to me. Awards shows of any kind are just butthole sniffing exercises.for industry suits. Always have been, always will be.
TBH, the Grammy snub is one of my favourite PJ moments, because EV was right, it doesn’t mean anything. Neither does a selection to the hall. Most of my favourite artists aren’t in there, and it doesn’t change a thing.
It’s probably already been said, but it feels like the RRHOF gets more attention over the bands they don’t let in.
the fact that the Smashing Pumpkins aren't in over bands like Green Day is a fucking joke. I lost all respect for the Hall when they didn't even put the Pumpkins on the ballot.
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I agree that awards for art are pretty meaningless, especially when all they do is follow the trends, not the art itself. But the hall, while a joke for its induction process, I think to artists would be different. this is an acknowledgement not only of a piece of work, but their influence of other artists and and ability to stand the test of time.
I know that I am very biased as a huge fan of Maiden, and I know that Steve Harris wouldn't accept an induction anyway. But the numbers that Maiden have put up, with over 130 milllion album sales and 2500 live shows blow away most other bands whether they have been inducted or not. Their list of influence over the past 40+ years probably blows away most bands as well. It is a complete farce that they haven't been included.
But, they don't care, so we shouldn't care.....but there is always that little bit of me that does!
It’s probably already been said, but it feels like the RRHOF gets more attention over the bands they don’t let in.
the fact that the Smashing Pumpkins aren't in over bands like Green Day is a fucking joke. I lost all respect for the Hall when they didn't even put the Pumpkins on the ballot.
I don't know. I'll take Pumpkins over GD any day of the week. But I think there's an argument for both. Pumpkins were massive when Melon Collie came out, but GD's relevance/popularity/influence seems like it was longer
It’s probably already been said, but it feels like the RRHOF gets more attention over the bands they don’t let in.
the fact that the Smashing Pumpkins aren't in over bands like Green Day is a fucking joke. I lost all respect for the Hall when they didn't even put the Pumpkins on the ballot.
I don't know. I'll take Pumpkins over GD any day of the week. But I think there's an argument for both. Pumpkins were massive when Melon Collie came out, but GD's relevance/popularity/influence seems like it was longer
Good point. Green Day is popular with the sk8r crowd which seems to think they're a "punk rawk" band.
Meanwhile, bands like MxPx, NoFX and other real punk bands are probably never getting in, but I digress. What about the Meat Puppets and MC5? The Buzzcocks?
But hey, I'm sure Shania Twain has a better chance than anything Fat Wreck Chords ever was involved with.
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IT WOULD BE A BLASPHEMY IF SOUNDGARDEN GETS IN AND NOT MAIDEN OR JOY DIVISION FROM THAT LIST
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Kate Bush in uk was massive in the 80s. Probably made more relevant by t.v programmes now
Fully agree
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"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
It’s probably already been said, but it feels like the RRHOF gets more attention over the bands they don’t let in.
the fact that the Smashing Pumpkins aren't in over bands like Green Day is a fucking joke. I lost all respect for the Hall when they didn't even put the Pumpkins on the ballot.
I don't know. I'll take Pumpkins over GD any day of the week. But I think there's an argument for both. Pumpkins were massive when Melon Collie came out, but GD's relevance/popularity/influence seems like it was longer
I don't have a problem with Green day per se but for them to get in before the Pumpkins and Soundgarden just isn't right IMO.
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It’s probably already been said, but it feels like the RRHOF gets more attention over the bands they don’t let in.
the fact that the Smashing Pumpkins aren't in over bands like Green Day is a fucking joke. I lost all respect for the Hall when they didn't even put the Pumpkins on the ballot.
I don't know. I'll take Pumpkins over GD any day of the week. But I think there's an argument for both. Pumpkins were massive when Melon Collie came out, but GD's relevance/popularity/influence seems like it was longer
Good point. Green Day is popular with the sk8r crowd which seems to think they're a "punk rawk" band.
Meanwhile, bands like MxPx, NoFX and other real punk bands are probably never getting in, but I digress. What about the Meat Puppets and MC5? The Buzzcocks?
But hey, I'm sure Shania Twain has a better chance than anything Fat Wreck Chords ever was involved with.
I saw MxPx in a high school gym for 10 bucks........ now that is PUNK ROCK!!!
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Billy Corgan is an insufferable media whore. No one likes to hear themselves talk more than that guy. That HOF acceptance speech would be the most self-congratulating piece of drivel ever recorded lol
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Billy Corgan is an insufferable media whore. No one likes to hear themselves talk more than that guy. That HOF acceptance speech would be the most self-congratulating piece of drivel ever recorded lol
i was really critical of him for this exact thing for a very long time; recently all the interviews I've read have been a lot less "ME ME ME WHY DOESN'T EVERYONE LOVE ME" and more "this is my art, like it or don't like it". FINALLY.
Billy Corgan is an insufferable media whore. No one likes to hear themselves talk more than that guy. That HOF acceptance speech would be the most self-congratulating piece of drivel ever recorded lol
i was really critical of him for this exact thing for a very long time; recently all the interviews I've read have been a lot less "ME ME ME WHY DOESN'T EVERYONE LOVE ME" and more "this is my art, like it or don't like it". FINALLY.
Yes, and he is finally talking good about his peers. He was playing the heel for a long time and it really made him come off as pretentious and smug. He actually hung out with Daniel Johns from Silverchair at the Australia concert he played a few weeks ago. Back in the day, he wouldn't be caught dead talking to the singer from Silverchair. He has mellowed in his old age.
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It’s probably already been said, but it feels like the RRHOF gets more attention over the bands they don’t let in.
the fact that the Smashing Pumpkins aren't in over bands like Green Day is a fucking joke. I lost all respect for the Hall when they didn't even put the Pumpkins on the ballot.
I don't know. I'll take Pumpkins over GD any day of the week. But I think there's an argument for both. Pumpkins were massive when Melon Collie came out, but GD's relevance/popularity/influence seems like it was longer
Good point. Green Day is popular with the sk8r crowd which seems to think they're a "punk rawk" band.
Meanwhile, bands like MxPx, NoFX and other real punk bands are probably never getting in, but I digress. What about the Meat Puppets and MC5? The Buzzcocks?
But hey, I'm sure Shania Twain has a better chance than anything Fat Wreck Chords ever was involved with.
mxpx and nofx, no. MC5 and the Meat Puppets? Yes. Buzzcocks earlier stuff moved people. I didn't bother with the reforming.
I love chatting about music because everyone is right in a way.
People talking about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
I hope at the awards ceremony the president of the company comes up and tells the world they have finally made a decision to change the name to Music Hall of Fame cause THAT makes a lot of sense.
People talking about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
I hope at the awards ceremony the president of the company comes up and tells the world they have finally made a decision to change the name to Music Hall of Fame cause THAT makes a lot of sense.
You can be Punk and not be punk rock, it's an idea.
People need to stop worrying about the term Rock n roll. It's a music museum at the end of the day that Iron Maiden still isn't in. It's also a museum sponsored by a magazine that thought Def Leppards Pyromania was garbage and reviewed it poorly. It only sold 6 million copied upon it's initial release.
So relax. Enjoy the museum for what it is. An eclectic mix of really good music with a funny name...
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Billy Ray Cyrus might be a "rockstar" in the world of country.
Put him in the country hall of fame, definitely. In the rock hall? Hard pass.
Hell, some 22 year old with 2.5 million TikTok followers might be a "rockstar" but can't sing worth a damn. They absolutely do not belong in Cleveland.
It all falls flat to me. Awards for art are completely subjective and have never meant anything to me. Awards shows of any kind are just butthole sniffing exercises.for industry suits. Always have been, always will be.
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But, they don't care, so we shouldn't care.....but there is always that little bit of me that does!
Good point. Green Day is popular with the sk8r crowd which seems to think they're a "punk rawk" band.
Meanwhile, bands like MxPx, NoFX and other real punk bands are probably never getting in, but I digress. What about the Meat Puppets and MC5? The Buzzcocks?
But hey, I'm sure Shania Twain has a better chance than anything Fat Wreck Chords ever was involved with.
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
The first rule of punk is if you're pop, you're not punk, right?
Green Day definitely started punk, but Dookie and after? You can't say September is a punk song. Eyeliner doesn't make you punk, Avril.
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I love chatting about music because everyone is right in a way.
I hope at the awards ceremony the president of the company comes up and tells the world they have finally made a decision to change the name to Music Hall of Fame cause THAT makes a lot of sense.
People need to stop worrying about the term Rock n roll. It's a music museum at the end of the day that Iron Maiden still isn't in. It's also a museum sponsored by a magazine that thought Def Leppards Pyromania was garbage and reviewed it poorly. It only sold 6 million copied upon it's initial release.
So relax. Enjoy the museum for what it is. An eclectic mix of really good music with a funny name...
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