Sincere question on recently closed threads

JH6056

I've been away from the board and just read several threads very upset about the ticket prices, PJ Premium tix, etc.  Most people are just telling their experiences and their opinions on it. Yes, many are upset, but hardly anyone is being rude or abusive.

Of all bands I'm really surprised that those threads are closed without any reason stated or which forum rule they violated explained. Kat and Sea when you close threads don't you usually say why you're closing them?  I don't understand why fans sharing sincere concerns, opinions, and experiences with recent ticket onsales are censored here, on PJ's discussion forum.  Does the band not want to know what fans think?

Sincere question, why are these discussions getting shut down?

2-feign-reluctance

1 or 2 threads to commiserate is enough wouldn’t you say? Do we need 20 individual threads all about the same experience crowding out other non-ticket related discussions? 

JH6056

2-feign-reluctance said:

1 or 2 threads to commiserate is enough wouldn’t you say? Do we need 20 individual threads all about the same experience crowding out other non-ticket related discussions? 

It's a REALLY big issue. A pretty big departure (not this tour & prices alone, but recent ones). Maybe merge them into one or two threads, but shutting them down with no comment? That is not how it usually happens here.

CO278952

There is an almost insurmountable level of bitching I think they are just trying to keep the forum organized as 2 feigns stated above. 

patkelly12

Censorship is cool again. Try and be more progressive.

OfThePearl

patkelly12 said:

Censorship is cool again. Try and be more progressive.

They didn't keep anyone from posting. That would be censorship. They just said go post on the thread that's already open, rather than starting a new one about the same thing.

patkelly12

OfThePearl said:

patkelly12 said:

Censorship is cool again. Try and be more progressive.

They didn't keep anyone from posting. That would be censorship. They just said go post on the thread that's already open, rather than starting a new one about the same thing.

Perhaps you would be so kind to point out the thread that was already "open" that would correspond to

What's the difference between Pearl Jam and a Scalper?

tylermoore

patkelly12 said:

OfThePearl said:

patkelly12 said:

Censorship is cool again. Try and be more progressive.

They didn't keep anyone from posting. That would be censorship. They just said go post on the thread that's already open, rather than starting a new one about the same thing.

Perhaps you would be so kind to point out the thread that was already "open" that would correspond to

What's the difference between Pearl Jam and a Scalper?

Yeesh 🙄 
kick rocks 

andrew68

i had a thread closed

https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/297896/verified-fans-tickets-getting-more-tickets-in-the-hands-of-fans#latest




not sure what rules where broken....i pointed out TM's and the band's insane prices....was I sarcastic ?  absolutely 

https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/228366/forum-posting-guidelines#latest

expressing one's frustration about the band's TM hypocrisy  etc seems to be a non starter.

if it's not censorship i'm not sure what is

CO278952

andrew68 said:

i had a thread closed

https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/297896/verified-fans-tickets-getting-more-tickets-in-the-hands-of-fans#latest




not sure what rules where broken....i pointed out TM's and the band's insane prices....was I sarcastic ?  absolutely 

https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/228366/forum-posting-guidelines#latest

expressing one's frustration about the band's TM hypocrisy  etc seems to be a non starter.

if it's not censorship i'm not sure what is

Since the webcrawler days back when I used to listen to No Code on a Panasonic disc man I am pretty sure moderators of internet discussion boards / forums have discouraged users creating multiple threads about the same subject 

JimmyV

IBTL

andrew68

CO278952 said:

andrew68 said:

i had a thread closed

https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/297896/verified-fans-tickets-getting-more-tickets-in-the-hands-of-fans#latest




not sure what rules where broken....i pointed out TM's and the band's insane prices....was I sarcastic ?  absolutely 

https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/228366/forum-posting-guidelines#latest

expressing one's frustration about the band's TM hypocrisy  etc seems to be a non starter.

if it's not censorship i'm not sure what is

Since the webcrawler days back when I used to listen to No Code on a Panasonic disc man I am pretty sure moderators of internet discussion boards / forums have discouraged users creating multiple threads about the same subject 

at THEIR discretion... I see multiple posts about the same thing with positive, pro band opinions, experiences etc

it's the negative ones that get closed 

2-feign-reluctance

More threads about the same thing get made when you don’t want to sift through the 20 existing threads. Thread control friends. Thread control. ❤️

andrew68

One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn't belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?

Did you guess which thing was not like the others?
Did you guess which thing just doesn't belong?
If you guessed this one is not like the others,
Then you're absolutely...right!

KM73780

andrew68 said:

One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn't belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?

Did you guess which thing was not like the others?
Did you guess which thing just doesn't belong?
If you guessed this one is not like the others,
Then you're absolutely...right!

Haha. Exactly. 

joseph33

2-feign-reluctance said:

1 or 2 threads to commiserate is enough wouldn’t you say? Do we need 20 individual threads all about the same experience crowding out other non-ticket related discussions? 

This☝️

RP112579

People like to start their own thread because they think their own comments about tickets are special and unique. They don't want their comments to get lost in the shuffle of the other comments in the main thread about tickets. It's basically a "LOOK AT ME" thing. Then when it gets closed or merged, they get mad and cry about being censored because they are fragile as fuck.

ComeToTX

RP112579 said:

People like to start their own thread because they think their own comments about tickets are special and unique. They don't want their comments to get lost in the shuffle of the other comments in the main thread about tickets. It's basically a "LOOK AT ME" thing. Then when it gets closer or merged, they get mad and cry about being censored because they are fragile as fuck.

Bingo. 

smile6680

patkelly12 said:

Censorship is cool again. Try and be more progressive.

Unfortunately, you may be correct. People don't like to be criticized. China, Russia and any other entity that has the power to shut down something they don't like being said about them.

andrew68

RP112579 said:

People like to start their own thread because they think their own comments about tickets are special and unique. They don't want their comments to get lost in the shuffle of the other comments in the main thread about tickets. It's basically a "LOOK AT ME" thing. Then when it gets closed or merged, they get mad and cry about being censored because they are fragile as fuck.

perhaps you're right...could also be they (me) think they have something valid to share 

fwiw...i got the pair of GA I wanted in the 10C lotto, Stoked ... my motivation is to point out the hypocrisy of pearl jam the corporation...also, consider this...if a thread is closed down due to criticism of 10C/PJ....who's the fragile one?

on2legs

If it was censorship wouldn’t they be deleting individual critical comments from the main threads on this topic?   Get a grip people.  They’re just deleting duplicate threads as per the forum guidelines.  No different than every other moderated discussion board on the internet. 

JH6056

I've read everyone's comments. First let me be clear, what I'm about to say is not targeting Kat or Sea or any other moderators here.  One never knows what one is asked to do or does on their own or how things happen here.

That said, what felt very different to me is almost every time I've seen a thread closed here, whoever closes it gives a reason.  "Other discussions already about this" or if it broke a rule, naming what rule it broke.

I've hardly been here for the last few months, but was similarly disappointed when I looked at ticket prices and what I noticed in actually trying to buy them about HOW they seemed to be priced.  Then I come here for the first time in awhile and see a lot of discussion about it, and I agree that the "What's the difference between PJ & a Scalper?" thread did bring in some new questions and information. So to me, not the exact same discussion others were having, though the complaining about prices certainly was a consistent theme.

I guess as someone who first joined the Tenclub in '93 (but sadly a few lapses mean my number is way high now), but who's been actively reading & sometimes posting over the years, I would just hope a band that is as committed to free speech and questioning authority as they've always been, would continue to allow or explain what the offense was on their official discussion board when fans raise concerns or questions about how even they do things.

BF25394

The Ten Club is not the government. It is a private organization that set up a private message board for its members. It can place parameters on the board that it provides and maintains. Analogies to China are way off-base. In China, there would be no message board.

Bentleyspop

BF25394 said:

The Ten Club is not the government. It is a private organization that set up a private message board for its members. It can place parameters on the board that it provides and maintains. Analogies to China are way off-base. In China, there would be no message board.

Truth

OfThePearl

BF25394 said:

The Ten Club is not the government. It is a private organization that set up a private message board for its members. It can place parameters on the board that it provides and maintains. Analogies to China are way off-base. In China, there would be no message board.

Exactly.

JH6056

BF25394 said:

The Ten Club is not the government. It is a private organization that set up a private message board for its members. It can place parameters on the board that it provides and maintains. Analogies to China are way off-base. In China, there would be no message board.

You are responding to...what? I said nothing about China. I also said nothing about not wanting parameters. What I DID talk about is norms that have existed the entire time I've been here (which is decades for the most part) that I didn't see in place here. Norms including when someone violates the parameters, a statement being made about which parameter was violated.

Are you really trying to say that even asking the question = comparing the board to China and complaining that there are any parameters?

JimmyV

Think of this place like a bar. You pay to drink/post, but management is free to warn you or ask you to leave if it thinks you have gotten out of line. 

CO278952

JH6056

JimmyV said:

Think of this place like a bar. You pay to drink/post, but management is free to warn you or ask you to leave if it thinks you have gotten out of line. 

Nothing in my post indicates that that is a question for me. And management should have the power to warn you or ask you to leave.  It's the "Getting shut off of buying drinks" without being drunk, disorderly, or being told any other reason for it that I have a question about. Management can still cut you off from buying drinks without giving a reason, but if a reason is usually given, it's fair to ask why this is different.

mace1229

I’m glad they’re closed.
No explanation needed. There’s already multiple ticket threads. Many of us are in the same boat. Paying more for tickets. Not sure where our seats are. 

We don’t need 100 individual threads for each person who isn’t happy with the outcome so far. Post a comment in one of the already existing threads and move on. 

RansomPTD

My fear with all these threads complaining about things is that the Ten Club will start charging us to use the forum.