Sincere question on recently closed threads

JH6056

I've read everyone's comments. First let me be clear, what I'm about to say is not targeting Kat or Sea or any other moderators here.  One never knows what one is asked to do or does on their own or how things happen here.

That said, what felt very different to me is almost every time I've seen a thread closed here, whoever closes it gives a reason.  "Other discussions already about this" or if it broke a rule, naming what rule it broke.

I've hardly been here for the last few months, but was similarly disappointed when I looked at ticket prices and what I noticed in actually trying to buy them about HOW they seemed to be priced.  Then I come here for the first time in awhile and see a lot of discussion about it, and I agree that the "What's the difference between PJ & a Scalper?" thread did bring in some new questions and information. So to me, not the exact same discussion others were having, though the complaining about prices certainly was a consistent theme.

I guess as someone who first joined the Tenclub in '93 (but sadly a few lapses mean my number is way high now), but who's been actively reading & sometimes posting over the years, I would just hope a band that is as committed to free speech and questioning authority as they've always been, would continue to allow or explain what the offense was on their official discussion board when fans raise concerns or questions about how even they do things.

BF25394

The Ten Club is not the government. It is a private organization that set up a private message board for its members. It can place parameters on the board that it provides and maintains. Analogies to China are way off-base. In China, there would be no message board.

Bentleyspop

BF25394 said:

The Ten Club is not the government. It is a private organization that set up a private message board for its members. It can place parameters on the board that it provides and maintains. Analogies to China are way off-base. In China, there would be no message board.

Truth

OfThePearl

BF25394 said:

The Ten Club is not the government. It is a private organization that set up a private message board for its members. It can place parameters on the board that it provides and maintains. Analogies to China are way off-base. In China, there would be no message board.

Exactly.

JH6056

BF25394 said:

The Ten Club is not the government. It is a private organization that set up a private message board for its members. It can place parameters on the board that it provides and maintains. Analogies to China are way off-base. In China, there would be no message board.

You are responding to...what? I said nothing about China. I also said nothing about not wanting parameters. What I DID talk about is norms that have existed the entire time I've been here (which is decades for the most part) that I didn't see in place here. Norms including when someone violates the parameters, a statement being made about which parameter was violated.

Are you really trying to say that even asking the question = comparing the board to China and complaining that there are any parameters?

JimmyV

Think of this place like a bar. You pay to drink/post, but management is free to warn you or ask you to leave if it thinks you have gotten out of line. 

CO278952

JH6056

JimmyV said:

Think of this place like a bar. You pay to drink/post, but management is free to warn you or ask you to leave if it thinks you have gotten out of line. 

Nothing in my post indicates that that is a question for me. And management should have the power to warn you or ask you to leave.  It's the "Getting shut off of buying drinks" without being drunk, disorderly, or being told any other reason for it that I have a question about. Management can still cut you off from buying drinks without giving a reason, but if a reason is usually given, it's fair to ask why this is different.

mace1229

I’m glad they’re closed.
No explanation needed. There’s already multiple ticket threads. Many of us are in the same boat. Paying more for tickets. Not sure where our seats are. 

We don’t need 100 individual threads for each person who isn’t happy with the outcome so far. Post a comment in one of the already existing threads and move on. 

RansomPTD

My fear with all these threads complaining about things is that the Ten Club will start charging us to use the forum.  

JH6056

RansomPTD said:

My fear with all these threads complaining about things is that the Ten Club will start charging us to use the forum.  

I don't understand - you already can't use the forum unless you're a member, which you pay for. You mean charge specifically to use it? Because people were upset about how expensive tickets were?  That would be QUITE the revelation if that happened.  Not something I'd worry about, but I hear you that you worry.

mattsavard

RP112579 said:

People like to start their own thread because they think their own comments about tickets are special and unique. They don't want their comments to get lost in the shuffle of the other comments in the main thread about tickets. It's basically a "LOOK AT ME" thing. Then when it gets closed or merged, they get mad and cry about being censored because they are fragile as fuck.

This guy is my new bestie. 

mattsavard

andrew68 said:

RP112579 said:

People like to start their own thread because they think their own comments about tickets are special and unique. They don't want their comments to get lost in the shuffle of the other comments in the main thread about tickets. It's basically a "LOOK AT ME" thing. Then when it gets closed or merged, they get mad and cry about being censored because they are fragile as fuck.

perhaps you're right...could also be they (me) think they have something valid to share 

fwiw...i got the pair of GA I wanted in the 10C lotto, Stoked ... my motivation is to point out the hypocrisy of pearl jam the corporation...also, consider this...if a thread is closed down due to criticism of 10C/PJ....who's the fragile one?

Ahhhhh.... I see the disconnect now. 

You think your post was deleted because they didn't like the thought. 

The reality was that your thought wasn't unique... in fact it was so common that there was a designated place for that thought. The mods were kindly informing you of that fact.

Misunderstandings happen. Glad we could get that cleared up. 

(No malice, playful ball busting) 😉 

myoung321

China? Lol… not a stretch at all.. I have to disagree, doesn’t matter if it’s a private company or the government, censorship is censorship. After the Twitter files I’d think that most would understand why censorship is a bad road to go down for any aspect of our culture. It’s completely understandable to close similar threads to maintain a clean forum. It’s an entirely different thing if they were closed to stifle conversation. Which I think probably isn’t the reason why, I prefer to give them the benefit of doubt before throwing out accusations. At the same time I would never support any type of censorship and I’m sure this is true to the members of PJ and those that work for them. 

release00

mattsavard said:

RP112579 said:

People like to start their own thread because they think their own comments about tickets are special and unique. They don't want their comments to get lost in the shuffle of the other comments in the main thread about tickets. It's basically a "LOOK AT ME" thing. Then when it gets closed or merged, they get mad and cry about being censored because they are fragile as fuck.

This guy is my new bestie. 

🤙👍

Lerxst1992

myoung321 said:

China? Lol… not a stretch at all.. I have to disagree, doesn’t matter if it’s a private company or the government, censorship is censorship. After the Twitter files I’d think that most would understand why censorship is a bad road to go down for any aspect of our culture. It’s completely understandable to close similar threads to maintain a clean forum. It’s an entirely different thing if they were closed to stifle conversation. Which I think probably isn’t the reason why, I prefer to give them the benefit of doubt before throwing out accusations. At the same time I would never support any type of censorship and I’m sure this is true to the members of PJ and those that work for them. 

Clean forum? Why don’t they just the “marketplace” decide. If a topic is boring and repetitive, it will simply drop into obscurity at the bottom. If it generates interesting discussion, it will stay near the top - isn’t that the point of a forum? Does it clean up server space? Is it really that difficult to keep scrolling is a member doesn’t want to read about a certain topic? Why risk alienating fans for at best a weak reason?

dimitrispearljam

BF25394 said:

The Ten Club is not the government. It is a private organization that set up a private message board for its members. It can place parameters on the board that it provides and maintains. Analogies to China are way off-base. In China, there would be no message board.

Yep

CO278952

dimitrispearljam said:

BF25394 said:

The Ten Club is not the government. It is a private organization that set up a private message board for its members. It can place parameters on the board that it provides and maintains. Analogies to China are way off-base. In China, there would be no message board.

Yep

hey buddy!

JH6056

Lerxst1992 said:

myoung321 said:

China? Lol… not a stretch at all.. I have to disagree, doesn’t matter if it’s a private company or the government, censorship is censorship. After the Twitter files I’d think that most would understand why censorship is a bad road to go down for any aspect of our culture. It’s completely understandable to close similar threads to maintain a clean forum. It’s an entirely different thing if they were closed to stifle conversation. Which I think probably isn’t the reason why, I prefer to give them the benefit of doubt before throwing out accusations. At the same time I would never support any type of censorship and I’m sure this is true to the members of PJ and those that work for them. 

Clean forum? Why don’t they just the “marketplace” decide. If a topic is boring and repetitive, it will simply drop into obscurity at the bottom. If it generates interesting discussion, it will stay near the top - isn’t that the point of a forum? Does it clean up server space? Is it really that difficult to keep scrolling is a member doesn’t want to read about a certain topic? Why risk alienating fans for at best a weak reason?

This is really why I wonder what the reason a couple of specific threads were shot down with no explanation. There are still many "I'm not happy with the/my ticket situation" convos that are still open, even if quite similar. But a couple were making spe ific points about how & why PJ ticketing is what it is now, and concerns about that.

I'm glad the "Don't by PJ Premium tix" convo is still open because lots of good & important details discussed there. But why was the "What's the difference between PJ & a Scalper" one shut down? Also has good different info in it, but shut down with no explanation. 

And y'all can keep pointing to this being a private message board that can do what it wants, EVEN THOUGH literally NO ONE is disagreeing with its private status. But when they set up norms, then seem to go against their own norms (like shutting down a thread that didn't seem to break any stated forum rules) & not explaining it, seems fair to ask why, and I'm still hoping someone from TenClub sees all this & weighs in. They don't have to, but I hope they do.

myoung321

dimitrispearljam said:

BF25394 said:

The Ten Club is not the government. It is a private organization that set up a private message board for its members. It can place parameters on the board that it provides and maintains. Analogies to China are way off-base. In China, there would be no message board.

Yep

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