Has anyone received an Indy confirm as a 2nd or 3rd option? Wife apparently had Indy as her #1 option and hasn't heard/seen anything at all. Chicago 1 and Chicago 2 were her 2nd and 3rd choices (nothing on those either).
I think all or most that put in for lawn seats will get them.
Yes I think this is not quite over yet
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Prices are always high when first listed. Makes sense, throw some crazy price up there and wait for some dude with no patience and devastated. Sucker born every minute. Prices won’t be that high come August
They have no way to transfer these anyway, right?
Yes...it's called Wallet Transfer. You get a download link that puts the ticket in your Apple wallet...no need to transfer.
The way I see it, this is how the 10C ticket lottery works:
1) lottery is done on a show-by-show basis 2) anyone who put in for GA for show #1 is randomly selected from the pool 3) priority increases your chance of being selected (maybe a 1.1 to 2x multiplier, but who knows; either way, while it increases your chances it doesn't guarantee anything) 4) rinse and repeat for shows #2-9 5) rinse and repeat for reserved seating for shows #1-9
Does that make sense?
This process would be a simple way to run the lottery on a show-by-show basis, and would explain how some people might get multiple shows, while others get none, regardless of priority.
Just my 0.2 cents.
#3 makes zero sense and you are really just making that up though on nothing.
The next part is not directed at anyone in particular
If this was all true. If priority does not really matter like we are saying it is then why are we not seeing any 3rd/4th/5th/9th priorities winning GA? Its not happening.
Its not happening because when they draw GA they start with, now wait for it, first priorities!!!! Say it with me... First Priorities!!!
Same goes for reserved. Every lotto I have done this is how they did it. We have people here that go over this stuff with a fine tooth comb. We over analyze this stuff we scrutinize it. Years and years of this. When something is off we know its off and this lotto is very much off.
I am making it up, it's just what makes sense and how I imagine a computer would run this.
That said, I think some people got GA for multiple shows, which indicates priority isn't as important is it's made out to be. Maybe the multiplier is higher, or there are so few GA tickets that it's just hard to get a good indication. In any case, I'm not sure how else you could explain how 1st and 2nd priorities might end up with nothing.
I haven’t seen anything that would make me comfortable saying this is or isn’t happening here. As someone who again spends some of my 9-5 on preference/ranking algorithms (in various health care scenarios, not ticketing) this is often part of the implementation.
I agree with you, but we know that the lottery is run on a show by show basis, and priority increases your chances. We also know some people get multiples and some end up with none. It's a simple formula, it's not perfect, so it seams plausible to me. In any case, it is just a guess.
The way I see it, this is how the 10C ticket lottery works:
1) lottery is done on a show-by-show basis 2) anyone who put in for GA for show #1 is randomly selected from the pool 3) priority increases your chance of being selected (maybe a 1.1 to 2x multiplier, but who knows; either way, while it increases your chances it doesn't guarantee anything) 4) rinse and repeat for shows #2-9 5) rinse and repeat for reserved seating for shows #1-9
Does that make sense?
This process would be a simple way to run the lottery on a show-by-show basis, and would explain how some people might get multiple shows, while others get none, regardless of priority.
Just my 0.2 cents.
#3 makes zero sense and you are really just making that up though on nothing.
The next part is not directed at anyone in particular
If this was all true. If priority does not really matter like we are saying it is then why are we not seeing any 3rd/4th/5th/9th priorities winning GA? Its not happening.
Its not happening because when they draw GA they start with, now wait for it, first priorities!!!! Say it with me... First Priorities!!!
Same goes for reserved. Every lotto I have done this is how they did it. We have people here that go over this stuff with a fine tooth comb. We over analyze this stuff we scrutinize it. Years and years of this. When something is off we know its off and this lotto is very much off.
I am making it up, it's just what makes sense and how I imagine a computer would run this.
That said, I think some people got GA for multiple shows, which indicates priority isn't as important is it's made out to be. Maybe the multiplier is higher, or there are so few GA tickets that it's just hard to get a good indication. In any case, I'm not sure how else you could explain how 1st and 2nd priorities might end up with nothing.
Please point out these people. I think maybe one or two shows did not fill on first priorities and actually made it to the second. Thats normal for shows that are not in demand
99% of GA wins are first priority. It debunks all claims that priority does not mean what we think it means.
But we also have people who have gotten nothing, which also debunks claims that priority matters, (unless it only applies to GA).
I am pretty much done with explaining this I think.
If you put in for Chicago and it does not make it past the first round (first priority picks) with GA or RES then people are getting shut out no matter where they put their picks.
This lotto people who put Chicago in as their first picks are losing out which has happened in the past for high demand shows. This time though people are winning with their 3rd picks. If they are winning with their 3rd picks all 1st and 2nd picks should have won. This is how it was done in the past for years and years without fail.
Your example is why people are getting annoyed with this lotto. Something is different or errors where made.
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Seems like Indy was high demand. If you didn’t have it as priority one I don’t think you got it…at least so far
I got my 2nd and 3rd choices (st Paul) and I got Indy. But I had Indy as priority #1
I had all options for Indy as #1 and got nothing. Chicago 2 was number two, also nothing. It sucks when you can only afford to go to the most desired ones.
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Since everyone was getting actual seats with their confirmation, seems unlikely to me that seniority played a role in seat location this time. Theyd have to confirm all winners first, then organize by member number before assigning seats. They didn’t do that all at once.
Not true, my number is .+/- 309,000 I got Sec 115 Austin night 1 and G/A Pit Austin night 2, people in here posted their number was +/-500,000 and they got 200's both nights for Austin.
But there’s also plenty of posts where higher numbers got the same level as low numbers.
I have a 173XXX number and ended up in Sec 113 Night 1 in Austin. Then Sec 114 Night 2 in Austin. Surrounded by people with numbers twice as high.
Has anyone received an Indy confirm as a 2nd or 3rd option? Wife apparently had Indy as her #1 option and hasn't heard/seen anything at all. Chicago 1 and Chicago 2 were her 2nd and 3rd choices (nothing on those either).
I only put in for Indy….clicked all 3 options…haven’t heard anything……
Prices are always high when first listed. Makes sense, throw some crazy price up there and wait for some dude with no patience and devastated. Sucker born every minute. Prices won’t be that high come August
They have no way to transfer these anyway, right?
Yes...it's called Wallet Transfer. You get a download link that puts the ticket in your Apple wallet...no need to transfer.
So it circumvents F2F?
Yes. One of the companies that offer such a service to brokers is called Automatiq.
I used Chicago as an example but St Paul is even worse from what I have seen.
I agree with your understanding of how the lottery SHOULD work. It worked like that in the past. Either it changed or they ran it wrong today. Something definitely not right with the priorities.
Member nr 19xxxx and i got FLR8, Row 2, Sec 109, Row D
For Austin… I didn’t ask for floor seats and Sec 109 is by far the worst seats i’ve ever got and I’v been to PJ20, MSG and many more ”hot shows” are all the good seats ”Premium tix” for 700$?
Most likely yes, it seems like the PJ Premium seats last year were the first several rows of the nearest 3 or 4 sections near Mike and Stone.
Prices are always high when first listed. Makes sense, throw some crazy price up there and wait for some dude with no patience and devastated. Sucker born every minute. Prices won’t be that high come August
They have no way to transfer these anyway, right?
Sadly scalpers have gotten into the business of selling entire TM/AXS accounts:
I had Chicago N1 and N2 and wife had N2 and N1 as priority. No luck, and to see people getting Chicago as priority 2 and 3 is a little difficult to understand.
I used Chicago as an example but St Paul is even worse from what I have seen.
St. Paul 1…. My one and only priority. Nothing yet
That's wild. Keep the faith. So many people reporting that they won that show with 3,4,5 priorities.
If you don't get tickets either they changed the process significantly or TM fucked up.
I do wonder if TM fucking this up is why nothing came out yesterday. They ran a test, realized it was wrong, and tried to fix it. But simply ran out of time.
Since everyone was getting actual seats with their confirmation, seems unlikely to me that seniority played a role in seat location this time. Theyd have to confirm all winners first, then organize by member number before assigning seats. They didn’t do that all at once.
Not true, my number is .+/- 309,000 I got Sec 115 Austin night 1 and G/A Pit Austin night 2, people in here posted their number was +/-500,000 and they got 200's both nights for Austin.
But there’s also plenty of posts where higher numbers got the same level as low numbers.
I have a 173XXX number and ended up in Sec 113 Night 1 in Austin. Then Sec 114 Night 2 in Austin. Surrounded by people with numbers twice as high.
I’m 169xxx, also in sections 114 and 113 for Austin. In Camden last year, I was nearly the last row in the pavilion, around people whose numbers were hundred of thousands past mine. It feels like seniority is dead.
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Since everyone was getting actual seats with their confirmation, seems unlikely to me that seniority played a role in seat location this time. Theyd have to confirm all winners first, then organize by member number before assigning seats. They didn’t do that all at once.
Not true, my number is .+/- 309,000 I got Sec 115 Austin night 1 and G/A Pit Austin night 2, people in here posted their number was +/-500,000 and they got 200's both nights for Austin.
But there’s also plenty of posts where higher numbers got the same level as low numbers.
I have a 173XXX number and ended up in Sec 113 Night 1 in Austin. Then Sec 114 Night 2 in Austin. Surrounded by people with numbers twice as high.
That is strange. What row in 113? I'm row c on the aisle with a 420xxx number for N1. Scored GA for N2
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I think the fact Indy lawn has not been sent out means they’re trying to fix something. But maybe that’s just me being hopeful I’m still in the running for pavilion seats.
I used Chicago as an example but St Paul is even worse from what I have seen.
St. Paul 1…. My one and only priority. Nothing yet
That's wild. Keep the faith. So many people reporting that they won that show with 3,4,5 priorities.
If you don't get tickets either they changed the process significantly or TM fucked up.
I do wonder if TM fucking this up is why nothing came out yesterday. They ran a test, realized it was wrong, and tried to fix it. But simply ran out of time.
I always try to go for just one show, and usually pick one that is mid week to up my chances… and it usually always works out! Fingers still crossed!
Prices are always high when first listed. Makes sense, throw some crazy price up there and wait for some dude with no patience and devastated. Sucker born every minute. Prices won’t be that high come August
They have no way to transfer these anyway, right?
Yes...it's called Wallet Transfer. You get a download link that puts the ticket in your Apple wallet...no need to transfer.
So it circumvents F2F?
Yes. One of the companies that offer such a service to brokers is called Automatiq.
Not sure that works as I think PJ has set the barcode to constantly refresh.
I couldn’t use wallet for a show I went to with AXS for same reason.
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If you put in for Chicago and it does not make it past the first round (first priority picks) with GA or RES then people are getting shut out no matter where they put their picks.
This lotto people who put Chicago in as their first picks are losing out which has happened in the past for high demand shows. This time though people are winning with their 3rd picks. If they are winning with their 3rd picks all 1st and 2nd picks should have won. This is how it was done in the past for years and years without fail.
Your example is why people are getting annoyed with this lotto. Something is different or errors where made.
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If you don't get tickets either they changed the process significantly or TM fucked up.
I do wonder if TM fucking this up is why nothing came out yesterday. They ran a test, realized it was wrong, and tried to fix it. But simply ran out of time.
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What row in 113? I'm row c on the aisle with a 420xxx number for N1. Scored GA for N2
I couldn’t use wallet for a show I went to with AXS for same reason.
prevents this sort of thing.