Regardless of the why, the what around touring is what it is. You gotta find other bands. If your happiness is tied too closely to one or a small number of artists and their output, it's a much tougher ride.
I didn’t see PJ in ‘23 (had lawn for Indy) but I did get rail for the Menzingers twice, watch Gaslight Anthem & Oso Oso play an apple orchard, see Pixies & Modest Mouse at a brewery, listen to Mike Doughty in a bar, observe Springsteen from the nosebleeds and catch The Hold Steady & Dino Jr co-headline a club show. There’s always some cool band to see. Wish it was PJ more often but ya make the best of it. My ‘24 schedule already has Bruce again, Social D, Bad Religion & Jeff Rosenstock, with hopefully a couple PJ shows too.
I'm literally hunched over with a lower back/hip issue this morning, so full understanding of the age issue.
Just saw this... & can relate, obviously.
I'm legit surprised at how dismissive people are of age potentially being an issue at this point... I can't help but think some are in for some pretty rude awakenings down the road.
Just accept the fact that as a collective band, they tour as much as they want to. They need 5 guys to agree. I don't think it's a situation where one guy is calling the shots like the Foos or DMB (not to say that the Dave's don't take input from the others, but in the end, they are making the decisions).
Total speculation, but I think with PJ, it appears that Mike and Matt really enjoy getting out and playing. As someone else said, Jeff has been on record saying he doesn't love going out on tour. Ed and Stone are probably somewhere in the middle. But in the end, all 5 guys need to be in agreement. And that's what we're getting with the tours the last 10 years or so. And ballpark shows will make them the most money in the shortest amount of time.
I think you are exactly right. They slowed down considerably after 2003 and figured out what works for them. 100% not an age issue as it started when they were in their late 30’s and early 40’s.
I don’t have any beef with how they operate. I should cut them some slack when I do get annoyed reading comments about how tough touring is. I don’t know their home situation and what pressure it may put on their family.
Without even looking it up, I am going to guess the slowdown in touring coincided with the increase in children.
And now that we are 20 years beyond 2003, kids no longer at home.
I also think PJ has a certain quality that they want to put out and the passion and emotional and physical energy they give is off the charts. Ed really sounded great last year and Mike is a beast on that stage. He runs like the energizer bunny while I'm tired just watching him from the stands. Maybe they need the breaks between shows and cities to continue to put the product they want to give us on that stage every night.
I'm literally hunched over with a lower back/hip issue this morning, so full understanding of the age issue.
Just saw this... & can relate, obviously.
I'm legit surprised at how dismissive people are of age potentially being an issue at this point... I can't help but think some are in for some pretty rude awakenings down the road.
I literally typed my last message at the doctor's office waiting to see if I had arthritis in my right hand/wrist (and only 42 years old). That said, the number of shows played in 2023 would be no surprise to me 15 years ago. One good thing is that rather than doing two large tours with two years off in between (like 2000 through 2003), we get shows every year.
AC/DC fans seem to think this is for Pearl Jam, and Pearl Jam fans seem to think it’s an AC/DC announcement.
Manchester 04.06.00, Leeds 25.08.06, Wembley 18.06.07, Dusseldorf 21.06.07, Shepherds Bush 11.08.09, Manchester 17.08.09, Adelaide 17.11.09, Melbourne 20.11.09, Sydney 22.11.09, Brisbane 25.11.09, MSG1 20.05.10, MSG2 21.05.10, Dublin 22.06.10, Belfast 23.06.10, London 25.06.10, Long Beach 06.07.11 (EV), Los Angeles 08.07.11 (EV), Toronto 11.09.11, Toronto 12.09.11, Ottawa 14.09.11, Hamilton 14.09.11, Manchester 20.06.12, Manchester 21.06.12, Amsterdam 26.06.2012, Amsterdam 27.06.2012, Berlin 04.07.12, Berlin 05.07.12, Stockholm 07.07.12, Oslo 09.07.12, Copenhagen 10.07.12, Manchester 28.07.12 (EV), Brooklyn 18.10.13, Brooklyn 19.10.13, Philly 21.10.13, Philly 22.10.13, San Diego 21.11.13, LA 23.11.13, LA 24.11.13, Oakland 26.11.13, Portland 29.11.13, Spokane 30.11.13, Calgary 02.12.13, Vancouver 04.12.13, Seattle 06.12.13, Trieste 22.06.14, Vienna 25.06.14, Berlin 26.06.14, Stockholm 28.06.14, Leeds 08.07.14, Philly 28.04.16, Philly 28.04.16, MSG1 01.05.16, MSG2 02.05.16
I'm literally hunched over with a lower back/hip issue this morning, so full understanding of the age issue.
Just saw this... & can relate, obviously.
I'm legit surprised at how dismissive people are of age potentially being an issue at this point... I can't help but think some are in for some pretty rude awakenings down the road.
I literally typed my last message at the doctor's office waiting to see if I had arthritis in my right hand/wrist (and only 42 years old). That said, the number of shows played in 2023 would be no surprise to me 15 years ago. One good thing is that rather than doing two large tours with two years off in between (like 2000 through 2003), we get shows every year.
I honestly think there's probably a slew of reasons behind why they don't tour like they used to... yeah, I think age is one of them, but probably not the only one... I'm a big fan of the saying "we don't know what we don't know" and I think that applies here.
I also think based on some comments that a lot of people don't realize just how physically taxing it is to play an instrument at such an intense level... does it equate to putting a roof on a house day in & day out? Hell no, but that doesn't mean it doesn't take a toll on your body. (& not for nothing, I hate traveling for work and thankfully haven't had to for several years... I can relate to the notion of wanting to sleep in your own bed every night)
I don't have the answers more than anyone else, but having said that... I see what I believe to be the writing on the wall with this band, and am going to take what I can until I can't anymore.
The old days aren't coming back anytime soon, and probably not ever... best to adapt accordingly if we can.
To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
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AC/DC fans seem to think this is for Pearl Jam, and Pearl Jam fans seem to think it’s an AC/DC announcement.
Gotta be a big show if there is a press conference. I don’t recall there being a press conference for Foo Fighters or Chris Stapleton, for example. So it’s either PJ, or AC/DC, or . . . I’m out of ideas who else would require a press conference. Maybe Paul McCartney or Taylor Swift would be big enough for a press conference?
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AC/DC fans seem to think this is for Pearl Jam, and Pearl Jam fans seem to think it’s an AC/DC announcement.
Gotta be a big show if there is a press conference. I don’t recall there being a press conference for Foo Fighters or Chris Stapleton, for example. So it’s either PJ, or AC/DC, or . . . I’m out of ideas who else would require a press conference. Maybe Paul McCartney or Taylor Swift would be big enough for a press conference?
Did you just say "maybe" Taylor Swift would be big enough for a press conference?????
I've got my flights planned for Vancouver already, just need the official announcement
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To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
AC/DC fans seem to think this is for Pearl Jam, and Pearl Jam fans seem to think it’s an AC/DC announcement.
Gotta be a big show if there is a press conference. I don’t recall there being a press conference for Foo Fighters or Chris Stapleton, for example. So it’s either PJ, or AC/DC, or . . . I’m out of ideas who else would require a press conference. Maybe Paul McCartney or Taylor Swift would be big enough for a press conference?
People can laugh but Billy Joel has been known to do press conferences for stadium shows.
PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2
EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
AC/DC fans seem to think this is for Pearl Jam, and Pearl Jam fans seem to think it’s an AC/DC announcement.
Gotta be a big show if there is a press conference. I don’t recall there being a press conference for Foo Fighters or Chris Stapleton, for example. So it’s either PJ, or AC/DC, or . . . I’m out of ideas who else would require a press conference. Maybe Paul McCartney or Taylor Swift would be big enough for a press conference?
Did you just say "maybe" Taylor Swift would be big enough for a press conference?????
Now for sure. I don’t remember if they did one when it was announced for the show last summer.
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Not sure I can even go even if the rumored dates end up being correct, but went ahead and booked a refundable room walking distance to Climate Pledge for Seattle 2.
Take it for what it is worth... I've been told by people in the know for the St. Louis Busch Stadium announcement that it is not PJ. Sooo, I'm either getting messed with or it's really not PJ. I'm back to thinking it's AC/DC or Billy Joel in St. Louis. Still weird Joe Buck is making the announcement.
Take it for what it is worth... I've been told by people in the know for the St. Louis Busch Stadium announcement that it is not PJ. Sooo, I'm either getting messed with or it's really not PJ. I'm back to thinking it's AC/DC or Billy Joel in St. Louis. Still weird Joe Buck is making the announcement.
What St. Louis announcement? Has there been hints?
Take it for what it is worth... I've been told by people in the know for the St. Louis Busch Stadium announcement that it is not PJ. Sooo, I'm either getting messed with or it's really not PJ. I'm back to thinking it's AC/DC or Billy Joel in St. Louis. Still weird Joe Buck is making the announcement.
The Cardinals are announcing a stadium show tomorrow where Joe Buck is making the announcement... Odds of St. Louis getting a stadium show? Seems real odd Buck ( whom I'v bumped into at PJ shows ) is making the announcement.
This is the said St. Louis announcement @tkrpearljamn was referring to.
can you feel this world with your heart and not your brain?
I'm literally hunched over with a lower back/hip issue this morning, so full understanding of the age issue.
Just saw this... & can relate, obviously.
I'm legit surprised at how dismissive people are of age potentially being an issue at this point... I can't help but think some are in for some pretty rude awakenings down the road.
I'm gonna be 60 this year and I'm a physical therapist, I can still do GA although standing still in a crowd makes my leg go numb. Moving around abd dancing in GA is fine... I don't hear the band whining about it being too hard physically
I recall Kelly Curtis saying over ten years ago that Pearl Jam has never been nor will they ever be a band that goes out for a year doing 125 shows. I never understood that comment to this day.
Would you want them to be a band that plays 100 shows every 4 or so years, or a smaller amount MOST every year?
The Cardinals are announcing a stadium show tomorrow where Joe Buck is making the announcement... Odds of St. Louis getting a stadium show? Seems real odd Buck ( whom I'v bumped into at PJ shows ) is making the announcement.
This is the said St. Louis announcement @tkrpearljamn was referring to.
Thanks. Like I said... It's odd they are having Buck do it in a press conference. He's not even part of the organization. They called for the press conference right before I posted that. They are also treating all the sports/entertainment writers to lunch that attend. AC/DC / Billy Joel / BRUUUCCCE are the active guesses.
The Cardinals are announcing a stadium show tomorrow where Joe Buck is making the announcement... Odds of St. Louis getting a stadium show? Seems real odd Buck ( whom I'v bumped into at PJ shows ) is making the announcement.
This is the said St. Louis announcement @tkrpearljamn was referring to.
Thanks. Like I said... It's odd they are having Buck do it in a press conference. He's not even part of the organization. They called for the press conference right before I posted that. They are also treating all the sports/entertainment writers to lunch that attend. AC/DC / Billy Joel / BRUUUCCCE are the active guesses.
Paired with that Seattle one it sounds like someone is doing a pretty huge rollout
Pearl Jam ain’t playing stadiums in the US anywhere other than Seattle, Chicago and Boston.
People speculating on stadium shows in places like St Louis or Baltimore are wrong.
2003 - June 15 Fargo 2005 - Sept 1 George, Sept 8 Winnipeg 2006 - May 9/10 Toronto, June 26/27 St. Paul, July 22/23 George, Oct 21/22 Mountain View 2007 - Aug 2/5 Chicago 2008 - June 22 Washington, June 24/25 New York 2009 - Aug 21 Toronto, Aug 23/24 Chicago, Sept 21/22 Seattle, Oct 27/28/30/31 Philadelphia 2010 - May 15 Hartford, May 17 Boston, Oct 23/24 Mountain View 2011 - Sept 3/4 Alpine Valley, Sept 11/12 Toronto, Sept 17 Winnipeg, Sept 19 Saskatoon 2012 - Sept 30 Missoula 2013 - July 16 London, July 19 Chicago, Oct 12 Buffalo, Dec 2 Calgary, Dec 4 Vancouver, Dec 6 Seattle 2014 - Oct 16 Detroit, Oct 19 St. Paul, Oct 20 Milwaukee 2015 - Sept 23 (Colbert)/Sept 26, New York 2016 - Apr 28/29 Philadelphia, May 10/12 Toronto, Aug 20/22 Chicago
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My ‘24 schedule already has Bruce again, Social D, Bad Religion & Jeff Rosenstock, with hopefully a couple PJ shows too.
I'm legit surprised at how dismissive people are of age potentially being an issue at this point... I can't help but think some are in for some pretty rude awakenings down the road.
And now that we are 20 years beyond 2003, kids no longer at home.
I also think based on some comments that a lot of people don't realize just how physically taxing it is to play an instrument at such an intense level... does it equate to putting a roof on a house day in & day out? Hell no, but that doesn't mean it doesn't take a toll on your body. (& not for nothing, I hate traveling for work and thankfully haven't had to for several years... I can relate to the notion of wanting to sleep in your own bed every night)
I don't have the answers more than anyone else, but having said that... I see what I believe to be the writing on the wall with this band, and am going to take what I can until I can't anymore.
The old days aren't coming back anytime soon, and probably not ever... best to adapt accordingly if we can.
Flight options are looking quite good.
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
Nope. Just that PJ are 60.
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
2005 - Sept 1 George, Sept 8 Winnipeg
2006 - May 9/10 Toronto, June 26/27 St. Paul, July 22/23 George, Oct 21/22 Mountain View
2007 - Aug 2/5 Chicago
2008 - June 22 Washington, June 24/25 New York
2009 - Aug 21 Toronto, Aug 23/24 Chicago, Sept 21/22 Seattle, Oct 27/28/30/31 Philadelphia
2010 - May 15 Hartford, May 17 Boston, Oct 23/24 Mountain View
2011 - Sept 3/4 Alpine Valley, Sept 11/12 Toronto, Sept 17 Winnipeg, Sept 19 Saskatoon
2012 - Sept 30 Missoula
2013 - July 16 London, July 19 Chicago, Oct 12 Buffalo, Dec 2 Calgary, Dec 4 Vancouver, Dec 6 Seattle
2014 - Oct 16 Detroit, Oct 19 St. Paul, Oct 20 Milwaukee
2015 - Sept 23 (Colbert)/Sept 26, New York
2016 - Apr 28/29 Philadelphia, May 10/12 Toronto, Aug 20/22 Chicago