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Gern Blansten

Biden was polling higher than trump up to that shitty debate. There was no cover up. Biden should have bowed out months before.

To make it anything more than that is ridiculous. We know nothing about trump's medical condition(s) physically or mentally. Why aren't we discussing trump's incessant lying? Biden is gone. Why not discuss the guy in the office right now that thinks Mattel is a country? 

Gern Blansten

Remember that time crazy Joe talked about Arnold Palmer's penis? That was crazy...

Lerxst1992

So many of the people and organizations that should be grappling hard in this moment instead seem consumed by the feeling that they have been getting it absolutely right in a world that fails to appreciate their good sense. We were promised a reckoning; instead, we got complexes of feeling misunderstood. Here we are — amazing political party or news organization or activist group — and people don’t get it. Everyone is crazy. But we’re sane!

This pandemic of incuriosity has spared few.

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Former Bidenworld insiders refuse to crack the doors of their minds three percent ajar to the possibility that his decline was a bigger deal than they treated it as being, with consequences the entire country is living through. And the former president himself is now being sent out to do interviews denying it all, everything is fine, I would have won, nothing to see here. It is remarkable, in a sense, this ability to be impervious to and oblivious to what so many others see, to be so uninterested in the possibility of learning from the past.

People who served on the Harris campaign engage in their own doubling down, insisting that the problems with the campaign were all external to it — the short time horizon, the pressure to stay close to Biden on policy. That the campaign itself was more lackluster and less inspiring and transformational than it could have been — that there are, therefore, lessons that could be drawn for next time — nope. This is no time for genuine reflection.

The same incuriosity can be found in the progressive wing of the party, among activist and organizing groups. Many meetings have been held, and then at those meetings the same behaviors that made progressive ideas less popular than they would naturally be were repeated. The out-of-touch, jargony, apologetic throat-clearing, the social justice terminology that feels inaccessible to those outside activism or academia, the breathtaking insistence on talking about politics in ways most normal people would not understand, the focus on issues affecting very small numbers of people instead of issues affecting everyone — these habits and reflexes reared their head in progressive “reckonings,” signaling that almost nothing meaningful would be rethought. Progressives have a giant normie problem in America; they don’t seem interested in fixing it, unless repeating the word “intersectional” until everyone comes around counts. Land acknowledgements are fine, but progressives might consider adding “game acknowledgements” to their repertoire. That’s when, like 98 percent of people in this country, you start by joking about last night’s game.

The reckoning that wasn’t - by Anand Giridharadas - The.Ink

Tim Simmons

So if progressives made a play for middle America you’d get on board? 

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Lerxst1992

The reckoning, continued 

Then you have the national Democratic Party. Here is another place we were told reckoning might occur. But, spoiler alert, reader, it did not occur. The fact that the national party is not even really a party so much as a fundraising vehicle, the fact that it has embarrassingly little physical presence in much of the country, the fact that it is so cozy with the very donors whose business practices have fueled so much of the populist rage of this moment — none of this was truly reckoned with. Senior party leaders reached out widely for advice but seemed reluctant or unable to act on it.

Or consider the Democratic Party’s top elected leaders. Can anyone report some dazzling reckoning there? Some really sharp reimagining? The double down is in full force. It is a panglossian politics: everything that should be done is everything we already happen to be doing. There is nothing the angry street is telling us that gives us the shadow of a new idea. We are perfectly perfect, standing where we should be standing, saying what we should be saying. When, on rare occasion, someone like Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut or Governor J.B. Pritzker of Illinois speaks of the failure to reckon, it catches fire. People feel heard. This appears to scare party leadership instead of galvanizing them. Don’t threaten them with the good time of their constituents feeling understood, at last.

gimmesometruth27

Tim Simmons said:

So if progressives made a play for middle America you’d get on board? 

by definition progressive is not in the middle, so its moot.

gimmesometruth27

Gern Blansten said:

Remember that time crazy Joe talked about Arnold Palmer's penis? That was crazy...

yeah i actually questioned his mental acuity after that one.

Lerxst1992

gimmesometruth27 said:

Tim Simmons said:

So if progressives made a play for middle America you’d get on board? 

by definition progressive is not in the middle, so its moot.

This is how Dems think, and why they lose when they should win.

this year, they should be running ads… “You like ur kids under 26 on ur health insurance, we did that. You like that hospital in your rural community, we did that. You like that semiconductor factory, we built near you and all those jobs, we did that. you like that bridge that we fixed that killed aunt Millie in the past, we fixed that bridge.

 Don’t even mention the word Democrat because that’s toxic to a large part of America. Just say we did that. By the way, you can’t win elections being toxic to a large part of the population. instead, democrats are running off screaming about democracy again, Trump is evil, doing all the things people rejected twice against Trump. 

The only two elections without massive mail in ballots, they lost both. And they are clueless and making the same mistakes again and again, running off with Bernie AOC about socialized healthcare and supporting Hamas.  If you don’t see the writing on the wall that this loses time and time again, this is the density genius of the Democratic Party filtering down to their voters. Clueless top to bottom.

Tim Simmons

I agree that they should be touting their accomplishments, but how do you expect Americans to associate those accomplishments with Democrats if you don't mention the word Democrat?

Again, you seem to be taking a minor portion of a party of 75 million voters and attributing (though really mis-attributing positions, whether intentionally or unintentionally I don't know though I have my suspicions) a fringe elements positions as the whole party's stance. Democrats are about as centrist as they come. 

If you don't talk about Trump and how extreme his positions are and his dismantling of norms and democracy, you normalize everything he is doing leaving very little left to fight for, if you even can.

static111

These Jeremiads are becoming so tiresome. Especially with the gross generalizations and exaggerated sensationalism. The sky is not falling. At least not because of the Dems.   Maybe it would be a better idea for conservative posters to work towards bringing sanity back to the Republican party rather than trying to drag progressives to the right? Just a thought.  

HughFreakingDillon

"if dems hadn't won the two elections they won, they would have lost both". Now that's some fucking genius logic right there folks. 

Go Beavers

Lerxst1992 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Tim Simmons said:

So if progressives made a play for middle America you’d get on board? 

by definition progressive is not in the middle, so its moot.

This is how Dems think, and why they lose when they should win.

this year, they should be running ads… “You like ur kids under 26 on ur health insurance, we did that. You like that hospital in your rural community, we did that. You like that semiconductor factory, we built near you and all those jobs, we did that. you like that bridge that we fixed that killed aunt Millie in the past, we fixed that bridge.

 Don’t even mention the word Democrat because that’s toxic to a large part of America. Just say we did that. By the way, you can’t win elections being toxic to a large part of the population. instead, democrats are running off screaming about democracy again, Trump is evil, doing all the things people rejected twice against Trump. 

The only two elections without massive mail in ballots, they lost both. And they are clueless and making the same mistakes again and again, running off with Bernie AOC about socialized healthcare and supporting Hamas.  If you don’t see the writing on the wall that this loses time and time again, this is the density genius of the Democratic Party filtering down to their voters. Clueless top to bottom.

Republicans have demonstrated you can win elections by being toxic to a large part of America. It plays directly into their platform. And once again, no one is pro-Hamas. 

static111

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Tim Simmons said:

So if progressives made a play for middle America you’d get on board? 

by definition progressive is not in the middle, so its moot.

This is how Dems think, and why they lose when they should win.

this year, they should be running ads… “You like ur kids under 26 on ur health insurance, we did that. You like that hospital in your rural community, we did that. You like that semiconductor factory, we built near you and all those jobs, we did that. you like that bridge that we fixed that killed aunt Millie in the past, we fixed that bridge.

 Don’t even mention the word Democrat because that’s toxic to a large part of America. Just say we did that. By the way, you can’t win elections being toxic to a large part of the population. instead, democrats are running off screaming about democracy again, Trump is evil, doing all the things people rejected twice against Trump. 

The only two elections without massive mail in ballots, they lost both. And they are clueless and making the same mistakes again and again, running off with Bernie AOC about socialized healthcare and supporting Hamas.  If you don’t see the writing on the wall that this loses time and time again, this is the density genius of the Democratic Party filtering down to their voters. Clueless top to bottom.

Republicans have demonstrated you can win elections by being toxic to a large part of America. It plays directly into their platform. And once again, no one is pro-Hamas. 

Weird based on what I've read here, all Democrats are and it is part of their radical left platform.  I just don't know what to believe anymore.

Go Beavers

static111 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Tim Simmons said:

So if progressives made a play for middle America you’d get on board? 

by definition progressive is not in the middle, so its moot.

This is how Dems think, and why they lose when they should win.

this year, they should be running ads… “You like ur kids under 26 on ur health insurance, we did that. You like that hospital in your rural community, we did that. You like that semiconductor factory, we built near you and all those jobs, we did that. you like that bridge that we fixed that killed aunt Millie in the past, we fixed that bridge.

 Don’t even mention the word Democrat because that’s toxic to a large part of America. Just say we did that. By the way, you can’t win elections being toxic to a large part of the population. instead, democrats are running off screaming about democracy again, Trump is evil, doing all the things people rejected twice against Trump. 

The only two elections without massive mail in ballots, they lost both. And they are clueless and making the same mistakes again and again, running off with Bernie AOC about socialized healthcare and supporting Hamas.  If you don’t see the writing on the wall that this loses time and time again, this is the density genius of the Democratic Party filtering down to their voters. Clueless top to bottom.

Republicans have demonstrated you can win elections by being toxic to a large part of America. It plays directly into their platform. And once again, no one is pro-Hamas. 

Weird based on what I've read here, all Democrats are and it is part of their radical left platform.  I just don't know what to believe anymore.

If you don’t know what to believe, maybe question where you got the idea that the dems are radical left and pro Hamas. 

brianlux

Go Beavers said:

static111 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Tim Simmons said:

So if progressives made a play for middle America you’d get on board? 

by definition progressive is not in the middle, so its moot.

This is how Dems think, and why they lose when they should win.

this year, they should be running ads… “You like ur kids under 26 on ur health insurance, we did that. You like that hospital in your rural community, we did that. You like that semiconductor factory, we built near you and all those jobs, we did that. you like that bridge that we fixed that killed aunt Millie in the past, we fixed that bridge.

 Don’t even mention the word Democrat because that’s toxic to a large part of America. Just say we did that. By the way, you can’t win elections being toxic to a large part of the population. instead, democrats are running off screaming about democracy again, Trump is evil, doing all the things people rejected twice against Trump. 

The only two elections without massive mail in ballots, they lost both. And they are clueless and making the same mistakes again and again, running off with Bernie AOC about socialized healthcare and supporting Hamas.  If you don’t see the writing on the wall that this loses time and time again, this is the density genius of the Democratic Party filtering down to their voters. Clueless top to bottom.

Republicans have demonstrated you can win elections by being toxic to a large part of America. It plays directly into their platform. And once again, no one is pro-Hamas. 

Weird based on what I've read here, all Democrats are and it is part of their radical left platform.  I just don't know what to believe anymore.

If you don’t know what to believe, maybe question where you got the idea that the dems are radical left and pro Hamas. 

Put me down as registered Democrat, neither right, left, nor moderate, radically in favor of doing things that make the most sense, and pro-Palestinian freedom but not pro-Hamas.

static111

brianlux said:

Go Beavers said:

static111 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Tim Simmons said:

So if progressives made a play for middle America you’d get on board? 

by definition progressive is not in the middle, so its moot.

This is how Dems think, and why they lose when they should win.

this year, they should be running ads… “You like ur kids under 26 on ur health insurance, we did that. You like that hospital in your rural community, we did that. You like that semiconductor factory, we built near you and all those jobs, we did that. you like that bridge that we fixed that killed aunt Millie in the past, we fixed that bridge.

 Don’t even mention the word Democrat because that’s toxic to a large part of America. Just say we did that. By the way, you can’t win elections being toxic to a large part of the population. instead, democrats are running off screaming about democracy again, Trump is evil, doing all the things people rejected twice against Trump. 

The only two elections without massive mail in ballots, they lost both. And they are clueless and making the same mistakes again and again, running off with Bernie AOC about socialized healthcare and supporting Hamas.  If you don’t see the writing on the wall that this loses time and time again, this is the density genius of the Democratic Party filtering down to their voters. Clueless top to bottom.

Republicans have demonstrated you can win elections by being toxic to a large part of America. It plays directly into their platform. And once again, no one is pro-Hamas. 

Weird based on what I've read here, all Democrats are and it is part of their radical left platform.  I just don't know what to believe anymore.

If you don’t know what to believe, maybe question where you got the idea that the dems are radical left and pro Hamas. 

Put me down as registered Democrat, neither right, left, nor moderate, radically in favor of doing things that make the most sense, and pro-Palestinian freedom but not pro-Hamas.

But someone on the internet said that Palestinian freedom and being against the murdering of children in hospitals is the same as being pro hamas. Make it all make sense.

brianlux

static111 said:

brianlux said:

Go Beavers said:

static111 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Tim Simmons said:

So if progressives made a play for middle America you’d get on board? 

by definition progressive is not in the middle, so its moot.

This is how Dems think, and why they lose when they should win.

this year, they should be running ads… “You like ur kids under 26 on ur health insurance, we did that. You like that hospital in your rural community, we did that. You like that semiconductor factory, we built near you and all those jobs, we did that. you like that bridge that we fixed that killed aunt Millie in the past, we fixed that bridge.

 Don’t even mention the word Democrat because that’s toxic to a large part of America. Just say we did that. By the way, you can’t win elections being toxic to a large part of the population. instead, democrats are running off screaming about democracy again, Trump is evil, doing all the things people rejected twice against Trump. 

The only two elections without massive mail in ballots, they lost both. And they are clueless and making the same mistakes again and again, running off with Bernie AOC about socialized healthcare and supporting Hamas.  If you don’t see the writing on the wall that this loses time and time again, this is the density genius of the Democratic Party filtering down to their voters. Clueless top to bottom.

Republicans have demonstrated you can win elections by being toxic to a large part of America. It plays directly into their platform. And once again, no one is pro-Hamas. 

Weird based on what I've read here, all Democrats are and it is part of their radical left platform.  I just don't know what to believe anymore.

If you don’t know what to believe, maybe question where you got the idea that the dems are radical left and pro Hamas. 

Put me down as registered Democrat, neither right, left, nor moderate, radically in favor of doing things that make the most sense, and pro-Palestinian freedom but not pro-Hamas.

But someone on the internet said that Palestinian freedom and being against the murdering of children in hospitals is the same as being pro hamas. Make it all make sense.

Here ya go! 

Tim Simmons

this is why I think its possible to reach voters and not have to compromise positions. Progressive policies aren't the problem,(They are quite popular actually!) the reach of the message is.

 

Tim Simmons

To a limited extent, I do agree with Yglesias that Dems should chase the polling a bit more, for the most part I think their positions on things shouldn't be compromised. They need to sell it better. I think a lot of long standing politicians have had their day, if they truly care about the health of the party and of the governance, they should step aside for fresher candidates and perspectives.