I agree. If I hadn't seen the previous 3 shows I'd be happy with anything. But still, there are way better songs out there than the songs I listed above.
I agree. If I hadn't seen the previous 3 shows I'd be happy with anything. But still, there are way better songs out there than the songs I listed above.
I’ve seen ween play 100 different songs over 3 nights and MMJ play 7 albums front to back over 3 nights. I wish PJ would mix it up more but the shows are still great and they’re obviously doing it for a reason.
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
Title should read: DMB just played three nights at the Gorge - zero repeats.
Not exactly the same thing as comparing the setlist from different cities.
Just checked the previous non-Gorge DMB show with the first Gorge show and there were 6 repeats out of 20, including a cover (yeah, a cover) of Fool in the Rain.
Montreal 98, 00, 03, 05, 11
Toronto 03, 06, 11
Ottawa 05, 11
Quebec 05; Saratoga 00; Boston 04; Toledo 04
Albany 06; Honolulu 06; Hartford 08
Costa Rica 11
London (Ont.), Hartford 13
Quebec, Fenway 1 + 2 16; London 18
EV Montreal (2), Berkeley II, Albany, Boston, London (UK)
Jesus Christ, just don't go to the shows. Comparing PJ to DMB is fucking laughable. If they play GTF or Elderly Woman or Corduroy at every show, I'd be happy. The entitlement of the "true fan" is unmatched—you see it in the GA line—it absolutely brings out the worst in people. Y'all need to take a serious supply of chill pills.
Title should read: DMB just played three nights at the Gorge - zero repeats.
Not exactly the same thing as comparing the setlist from different cities.
Just checked the previous non-Gorge DMB show with the first Gorge show and there were 6 repeats out of 20, including a cover (yeah, a cover) of Fool in the Rain.
That's exactly what I was thinking: Those of us who get to go to multiple cities on any given tour need to appreciate a bit more that MOST of the people in the venue, that will be their only show on the tour. To expect them to not do some of the most popular songs a lot is a bit entitled.
Also agree that there's a major difference between 3 shows in a row at one venue vs. 2 or 3 shows in different cities. Again, so many in that audience that may be their only show. It's always good to mix in the "tried & true" with the newer and deep cuts.
Jesus Christ, just don't go to the shows. Comparing PJ to DMB is fucking laughable. If they play GTF or Elderly Woman or Corduroy at every show, I'd be happy. The entitlement of the "true fan" is unmatched—you see it in the GA line—it absolutely brings out the worst in people. Y'all need to take a serious supply of chill pills.
Like the third or fourth thread on the same topic the OP has started. Probably trolling. Just let it go. 🥱
Omg knock it off. You were spoiled for 30 fucking years. Who gives a shit what Dave Matthews does? Who cares? He moved to Seattle in 2001, how many duets has he and Ed done?
Chicago 6/29/98, Alpine Valley(EV) 6/13/99, Alpine Valley 10/08/00, Chicago 10/09/00, Phoenix 10/20/00, Orlando 4/12/03, Tampa 4/13/03, San Diego 6/05/03, Vegas 6/06/03, Phoenix 6/07/03, Chicago 6/18/03, Alpine Valley 6/21/03, Orlando 10/08/04, D.C. 10/11/04, Chicago 5/16/06, Chicago 5/17/06, LA 7/12/08, Chicago 8/23/09, Chicago 8/24/09, LA 10/07/09, San Diego 10/09/09 (Front Row Center, Finally), Phoenix(EV) 11/4/11, Wrigley 7/19/13, Phoenix 11/19/13, Denver 10/22/14, Wrigley 8/20/16, Wrigley 8/22/16
To be fair PJ played only two repeats over the two nights in London, which was great. If you are going to several shows in different cities then yes you would expect repeats of the hits.
Plus would you rather hear repeats of PJ or endure hearing non repeats of DMB
Zero repeats is very cool. But on the negative side - it’s Dave Matthews Band.
Three nights, no repeats, and it still sounded like the same song. I saw DMB recently and I give them credit for putting on a good show. But it all sounds the same.
I am fine with some repeats and am of the opinion that PJ mixes it up more than most bands, while balancing that many people only get to one show.
That being said, we could use a little:
RVM > Porch Anything > Even Flow/Alive/Crazy Mary/Small Tn It’s OK > Any other Daughter tag
It’s always interesting to see people get excited at the shows over songs I’m kind of meh about, and vice versa. That’s why not all cars look the same I guess.
PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024: Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2
EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
The majority of the people at these shows are seeing them once on this tour. And likely haven't seen them in at least 4 years. Probably longer. They WANT to hear Corduroy, Small Town, Black, Alive, and other staples. The band wants the crowd energized and loud and singing along. And that's what those songs will do.
Jesus Christ, just don't go to the shows. Comparing PJ to DMB is fucking laughable. If they play GTF or Elderly Woman or Corduroy at every show, I'd be happy. The entitlement of the "true fan" is unmatched—you see it in the GA line—it absolutely brings out the worst in people. Y'all need to take a serious supply of chill pills.
It’s just as dumb as when people say things like: well rhcp played only 18 songs. Or rage played 90 minutes. Works both ways. I’ve never came here and compared them to anyone but THEMSELVES. To act like these sets aren’t a drastic change and no one should bring it up is insane.
There was a time where Pearl Jam was praised for its marathon live shows and mixing up the set lists. Let’s not make fun of people wanting that back. One of the core reasons they fell in love with the band and traveling to see them.
There is no way I would have seen the band as much as I have with the way they are doing their shows now. Would I see 15 shows in a year like I did in 2013 now? Nope.
There was a time where Pearl Jam was praised for its marathon live shows and mixing up the set lists. Let’s not make fun of people wanting that back. One of the core reasons they fell in love with the band and traveling to see them.
There is no way I would have seen the band as much as I have with the way they are doing their shows now. Would I see 15 shows in a year like I did in 2013 now? Nope.
Boooo!!! Entitled!!! Be grateful! Don’t go!! Quality over quantity!! Shame!!
I don't understand the quality over quantity comments. I have always considered the quality pretty good. I've been to 25 shows and always feel like I've seen them at their best each time even with the drummer substitutions in Oakland this year.
The changes to setlist variety and length started in 2021. The shows in 2018 seemed to average about 32 songs...skip to 2021 where we have 22/24. Very Ten heavy sets even with the new album.
They are clearly playing to the casual fans this tour which we just have to live with. I just wonder what the next tour will bring.
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1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
I don't understand the quality over quantity comments. I have always considered the quality pretty good. I've been to 25 shows and always feel like I've seen them at their best each time even with the drummer substitutions in Oakland this year.
The changes to setlist variety and length started in 2021. The shows in 2018 seemed to average about 32 songs...skip to 2021 where we have 22/24. Very Ten heavy sets even with the new album.
They are clearly playing to the casual fans this tour which we just have to live with. I just wonder what the next tour will bring.
I’ve never understood that comment. Just a generic response honestly. I guess their definition of “quality” is strictly about the tempos.
I've seen DMB twice this year and to put things in perspective, when he played new material or a "B" side the majority of the audience was quiet. He busts out a cover, sledgehammer, which I freaking hate and is my piss break song, the place goes nuts. He plays Ants Marching, the entire crowd sings and darn near cries in jubilation.
When PJ plays the hits or the same stuff, it is for the majority of the crowd that doesn't know their entire catalog. In 2016 I went to Philly 1 with my best friend growing up, it was his first show. He had zero interest in education, in the moonlight, Chloe or crown. Even flow? After that song he high-fives me and says that was freaking awesome. Mike playing behind his head, was unreal.
I am taking another first timer to Nashville this year. I am hoping for the staples so she can enjoy herself. If they bust out some rarity it will be nice but besides our crazy song chasing white whale hunting selves, how many of the audience will enjoy it?
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Cincinnati 2014
Greenville 2016
(Raleigh 2016)
Columbia 2016
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Montreal 98, 00, 03, 05, 11
Toronto 03, 06, 11
Ottawa 05, 11
Quebec 05; Saratoga 00; Boston 04; Toledo 04
Albany 06; Honolulu 06; Hartford 08
Costa Rica 11
London (Ont.), Hartford 13
Quebec, Fenway 1 + 2 16; London 18
EV Montreal (2), Berkeley II, Albany, Boston, London (UK)
Also agree that there's a major difference between 3 shows in a row at one venue vs. 2 or 3 shows in different cities. Again, so many in that audience that may be their only show. It's always good to mix in the "tried & true" with the newer and deep cuts.
Plus would you rather hear repeats of PJ or endure hearing non repeats of DMB
Good musicians, but their music sucks.
RVM > Porch
Anything > Even Flow/Alive/Crazy Mary/Small Tn
It’s OK > Any other Daughter tag
It’s always interesting to see people get excited at the shows over songs I’m kind of meh about, and vice versa. That’s why not all cars look the same I guess.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
rhcp played only 18 songs. Or rage played 90 minutes. Works both ways. I’ve never came here and compared them to anyone but THEMSELVES. To act like these sets aren’t a drastic change and no one should bring it up is insane.
Old news.
Play more Riot Act all three nights. Both DMB and Pearl Jam.
The changes to setlist variety and length started in 2021. The shows in 2018 seemed to average about 32 songs...skip to 2021 where we have 22/24. Very Ten heavy sets even with the new album.
They are clearly playing to the casual fans this tour which we just have to live with. I just wonder what the next tour will bring.
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
When PJ plays the hits or the same stuff, it is for the majority of the crowd that doesn't know their entire catalog. In 2016 I went to Philly 1 with my best friend growing up, it was his first show. He had zero interest in education, in the moonlight, Chloe or crown. Even flow? After that song he high-fives me and says that was freaking awesome. Mike playing behind his head, was unreal.
I am taking another first timer to Nashville this year. I am hoping for the staples so she can enjoy herself. If they bust out some rarity it will be nice but besides our crazy song chasing white whale hunting selves, how many of the audience will enjoy it?
BTW, why all the hate for crazy mary?