so, just to sum up the supreme court's week this week:
life begins at conception and ends in a mass shooting.
Yep.
I just don’t see how they can be so passionate about protecting the unborn and then leave it at that
once they are born, they do absolutely everything they can to fight anything aimed at making sure they are fed, clothed, have access to healthcare, fund their schools at a reasonable level, or make sure they are reasonably protected at school or anywhere else.
it’s the governments responsibility to make sure they are born. After that the government has no role
Policy and politics of the extreme left. Some say we should ignore that.
if the constitution doesn't explicitly state abortion, making it overturnable, the constitution doesn't explicitly state what type of arms either, making that overturnable.
muskets only. fuck em. everyone else? 10 year prison term. or castration. you choose.
We need term limits for Congress and Courts. No permanent politicians paid off by lobbyists and big corp. And ignore the extreme left and extreme right.
The right is loyal and shows up to vote, especially in off years, when the senate is often decided. This likely cost the left RBG and Scalia’s seat. With those two, it’d be a 5-4 liberal court and this weeks historically drastic opinions would not have existed. Without voters joining us, this is the America we are getting.
Too many people, who want common sense gun reform and to protect womens rights, either get turned off by politics or don’t bother to show up every year.
Term limits in the court will never happen unless every single election year in the foreseeable future is a blue wave. Until then, we all get to enjoy unlimited guns on our streets and in our schools, and women gettin hauled off to jail.
if the constitution doesn't explicitly state abortion, making it overturnable, the constitution doesn't explicitly state what type of arms either, making that overturnable.
muskets only. fuck em. everyone else? 10 year prison term. or castration. you choose.
We need term limits for Congress and Courts. No permanent politicians paid off by lobbyists and big corp. And ignore the extreme left and extreme right.
The right is loyal and shows up to vote, especially in off years, when the senate is often decided. This likely cost the left RBG and Scalia’s seat. With those two, it’d be a 5-4 liberal court and this weeks historically drastic opinions would not have existed. Without voters joining us, this is the America we are getting.
Too many people, who want common sense gun reform and to protect womens rights, either get turned off by politics or don’t bother to show up every year.
Term limits in the court will never happen unless every single election year in the foreseeable future is a blue wave. Until then, we all get to enjoy unlimited guns on our streets and in our schools, and women gettin hauled off to jail.
It’s already set up that if the democrats win they cheated.
no democratic majority will ever be seen as legitimate to the slightly less than 50 percent minority
that train has left the station. Voting only matters if the winner is accepted by the country. Those days are gone
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So weird to wake up and realize, yes, you really do live in an autocratic nation run by people who don't want women to have rights and who pretend to care about children yet don't want to do anything to stop them from being mowed down at school. No, it was not just a bad dream, it is the way of this country today.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Is this a joke? I don't know about where you live, but Bernie wasn't on the ballot here. I suppose folks could've written him in...?
Would Hillary have given us the three stooges of SCOTUS appointments? Don’t know where you live but Bernie’s failure to endorse Hillary and pretending he could beat POOTWH and be elected as a socialist certainly bears responsibility for today’s and future decisions. The Bernie protest voters own this.
I thought that he did endorse Hillary, albeit coldly, similar to his Biden endorsement. So I Googled it, and the headlines on July 12, 2016, were that that this endorsement did indeed take place in an effort to “unite” the party.
Anyway, I never considered voting for him because of my ageism. But I didn’t know that there was a large contingent of Bernie protest voters, so I Googled it. Turns out, there wasn’t. A weak queef of 0.08% of the vote tally was Bernie write-ins. Not even a dent. Maybe a scratch? The Nader shamers (and Nader voter shamers) maybe kinda sorta had a political point to make in 2000 because he was on the ballot and received an earth-shattering 2.74% of the vote, not even enough to get his fledgling party federal funding.
Is this more of an influence in the zeitgeist/cult of personality thing that you’re blaming him for? Because that seems misdirected. The media (Russian-tainted social media included, of course, in 2016) and the electorate play larger roles than the individual politician there, I’d argue.
And I genuinely thought you might be joking in the old “thanks, Obama” vein, but I saw other posters pointing the finger in his (and his supporters’) general direction as well and then began to wonder if you were.
Thanks for the explanation.
Its not that voters wrote Bernie in as a protest vote, its that Bernie's "cold" endorsement and his supporters sour grapes, i.e. the #neverhillary crowd that Bernie spawned, either voted POOTWH, third party or stayed home. And this is what it got them. 6%-12% of Bernie supporters ended up voting POOTWH. I don't know what the number of total Bernie supporters is/was but I'd fathom a brain fart that 6%-12% of whatever number it is, would have been enough to put Hillary in the White House and maybe, just maybe, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
New data is shedding light, however, on Sanders’s role in the last election — and on how many Sanders voters ended up supporting Trump. It’s a question many in the party will be asking about a candidate who may want to compete again for the Democratic nomination.
How many Sanders voters voted for Donald Trump?
Two surveys estimate that 12 percent of Sanders voters voted for Trump. A third survey suggests it was 6 percent.
First, the political scientist Brian Schaffner analyzed the Cooperative Congressional Election Study, which was conducted by YouGov and interviewed 64,600 Americans in October-November 2016. In that survey, Schaffner found that 12 percent of people who voted in the primary and reported voting for Sanders also voted in November and reported voting for Trump.
Schaffner examined only voters whose turnout in the primary and general election could be validated using voter file data. This excludes people who said they voted but actually did not — although it also excludes people who voted in caucuses or party-run primaries, for which validated turnout data are not as readily available.
Second, the same 12 percent figure emerges in the 2016 VOTER Survey, which was also conducted by YouGov and overseen by the Democracy Fund Voter Study Group (of which I am research director). In 2016, this survey interviewed 8,000 respondents in July, when they were asked their primary vote preference, and then in December, when they were asked their general election preference. This has the advantage of measuring primary preference closer to the primaries themselves and then tracking people over time. But their turnout in both elections has not been validated as of yet.
The third survey is the RAND Presidential Election Panel Survey, which interviewed the same group of about 3,000 Americans six times during the campaign. Again, this survey has the advantage of tracking voters over time, but nobody’s turnout has been validated. Among voters who reported supporting Sanders as of March 2016, 6 percent then reported voting for Trump in November.
I recall it was a pretty big story in 2016 how many liberals and left leaning independents didn’t like Hilary and didn’t vote for her. Not sure why that’s being forgotten.
In fact, a few months ago, many of the left leaners were screaming about Biden not being able to get BBB thru congress. The left in this country, compared to the right, is unaffiliated, not passionate and too busy to care about any cause.
So weird to wake up and realize, yes, you really do live in an autocratic nation run by people who don't want women to have rights and who pretend to care about children yet don't want to do anything to stop them from being mowed down at school. No, it was not just a bad dream, it is the way of this country today.
It's a fucking disgrace. I am at a loss for words.
if the constitution doesn't explicitly state abortion, making it overturnable, the constitution doesn't explicitly state what type of arms either, making that overturnable.
muskets only. fuck em. everyone else? 10 year prison term. or castration. you choose.
We need term limits for Congress and Courts. No permanent politicians paid off by lobbyists and big corp. And ignore the extreme left and extreme right.
The right is loyal and shows up to vote, especially in off years, when the senate is often decided. This likely cost the left RBG and Scalia’s seat. With those two, it’d be a 5-4 liberal court and this weeks historically drastic opinions would not have existed. Without voters joining us, this is the America we are getting.
Too many people, who want common sense gun reform and to protect womens rights, either get turned off by politics or don’t bother to show up every year.
Term limits in the court will never happen unless every single election year in the foreseeable future is a blue wave. Until then, we all get to enjoy unlimited guns on our streets and in our schools, and women gettin hauled off to jail.
It’s already set up that if the democrats win they cheated.
no democratic majority will ever be seen as legitimate to the slightly less than 50 percent minority
that train has left the station. Voting only matters if the winner is accepted by the country. Those days are gone
Keep hope alive, one day more reasonable people will see the need to vote for the left every year. If they start winning every year, that will blow holes in the trump conspiracy theories. Many thought that was the long term trend after the 2008 election. But more likely, that would never happen and the court will lean strongly to the right for decades.
So weird to wake up and realize, yes, you really do live in an autocratic nation run by people who don't want women to have rights and who pretend to care about children yet don't want to do anything to stop them from being mowed down at school. No, it was not just a bad dream, it is the way of this country today.
It's a fucking disgrace. I am at a loss for words.
I’m just waiting for the inevitable “if you don’t like it, move” comments from the right
i always wonder why they are still here to say that at all, after Obama won, twice
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So weird to wake up and realize, yes, you really do live in an autocratic nation run by people who don't want women to have rights and who pretend to care about children yet don't want to do anything to stop them from being mowed down at school. No, it was not just a bad dream, it is the way of this country today.
It's a fucking disgrace. I am at a loss for words.
In a way, it's helpful to know many of us feel this way- most people I know do- yet in another way it hard knowing that most people you know have common sense and compassion and support democracy and yet at the same time see your country turning into a fascist state run by idiots.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
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Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,763
So weird to wake up and realize, yes, you really do live in an autocratic nation run by people who don't want women to have rights and who pretend to care about children yet don't want to do anything to stop them from being mowed down at school. No, it was not just a bad dream, it is the way of this country today.
It's a fucking disgrace. I am at a loss for words.
I’m just waiting for the inevitable “if you don’t like it, move” comments from the right
i always wonder why they are still here to say that at all, after Obama won, twice
That is a mystery that has perplexed me for several years. WTF happened?
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
So weird to wake up and realize, yes, you really do live in an autocratic nation run by people who don't want women to have rights and who pretend to care about children yet don't want to do anything to stop them from being mowed down at school. No, it was not just a bad dream, it is the way of this country today.
It's a fucking disgrace. I am at a loss for words.
In a way, it's helpful to know many of us feel this way- most people I know do- yet in another way it hard knowing that most people you know have common sense and compassion and support democracy and yet at the same time see your country turning into a fascist state run by idiots.
Yes, that helps a little, but not much. So fucking pissed and sad about this.
So weird to wake up and realize, yes, you really do live in an autocratic nation run by people who don't want women to have rights and who pretend to care about children yet don't want to do anything to stop them from being mowed down at school. No, it was not just a bad dream, it is the way of this country today.
It's a fucking disgrace. I am at a loss for words.
I’m just waiting for the inevitable “if you don’t like it, move” comments from the right
i always wonder why they are still here to say that at all, after Obama won, twice
I looked into moving in 2016. Unfortunately, it's not as easy as one may think.
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So weird to wake up and realize, yes, you really do live in an autocratic nation run by people who don't want women to have rights and who pretend to care about children yet don't want to do anything to stop them from being mowed down at school. No, it was not just a bad dream, it is the way of this country today.
It's a fucking disgrace. I am at a loss for words.
In a way, it's helpful to know many of us feel this way- most people I know do- yet in another way it hard knowing that most people you know have common sense and compassion and support democracy and yet at the same time see your country turning into a fascist state run by idiots.
Yes, to me it’s two separate things.
the supreme court and politics is separate from the anti democratic sentiment present in large swaths of the population
we can survive the politics, we can’t survive what’s happening to democracy itself. These awful policies and rulings are reversible but that depends on a functional democracy which the republicans are doing their best to dismantle.
It’s a dangerous game. Republicans are turning away from democracy in order push their agenda, no matter the consequences. That’s far worse than the actual agenda
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So weird to wake up and realize, yes, you really do live in an autocratic nation run by people who don't want women to have rights and who pretend to care about children yet don't want to do anything to stop them from being mowed down at school. No, it was not just a bad dream, it is the way of this country today.
It's a fucking disgrace. I am at a loss for words.
In a way, it's helpful to know many of us feel this way- most people I know do- yet in another way it hard knowing that most people you know have common sense and compassion and support democracy and yet at the same time see your country turning into a fascist state run by idiots.
Yes, to me it’s two separate things.
the supreme court and politics is separate from the anti democratic sentiment present in large swaths of the population
we can survive the politics, we can’t survive what’s happening to democracy itself. These awful policies and rulings are reversible but that depends on a functional democracy which the republicans are doing their best to dismantle.
It’s a dangerous game. Republicans are turning away from democracy in order push their agenda, no matter the consequences. That’s far worse than the actual agenda
A lot (if not all) hangs on what happen in November of this year and 2024. Scary thought.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
if the constitution doesn't explicitly state abortion, making it overturnable, the constitution doesn't explicitly state what type of arms either, making that overturnable.
muskets only. fuck em. everyone else? 10 year prison term. or castration. you choose.
We need term limits for Congress and Courts. No permanent politicians paid off by lobbyists and big corp. And ignore the extreme left and extreme right.
The right is loyal and shows up to vote, especially in off years, when the senate is often decided. This likely cost the left RBG and Scalia’s seat. With those two, it’d be a 5-4 liberal court and this weeks historically drastic opinions would not have existed. Without voters joining us, this is the America we are getting.
Too many people, who want common sense gun reform and to protect womens rights, either get turned off by politics or don’t bother to show up every year.
Term limits in the court will never happen unless every single election year in the foreseeable future is a blue wave. Until then, we all get to enjoy unlimited guns on our streets and in our schools, and women gettin hauled off to jail.
It’s already set up that if the democrats win they cheated.
no democratic majority will ever be seen as legitimate to the slightly less than 50 percent minority
that train has left the station. Voting only matters if the winner is accepted by the country. Those days are gone
Keep hope alive, one day more reasonable people will see the need to vote for the left every year. If they start winning every year, that will blow holes in the trump conspiracy theories. Many thought that was the long term trend after the 2008 election. But more likely, that would never happen and the court will lean strongly to the right for decades.
Not to shit on the hope parade, but the upcoming midterm has a strong probability of being the last shot at voters getting a say in the governance of this country.
The plan to end representative governance is out in the open. There is a dedicated and supportive swath of people in this country who WILL show up and vote for it. I don’t think I need to state which end of the political spectrum I’m describing.
if the constitution doesn't explicitly state abortion, making it overturnable, the constitution doesn't explicitly state what type of arms either, making that overturnable.
muskets only. fuck em. everyone else? 10 year prison term. or castration. you choose.
We need term limits for Congress and Courts. No permanent politicians paid off by lobbyists and big corp. And ignore the extreme left and extreme right.
The right is loyal and shows up to vote, especially in off years, when the senate is often decided. This likely cost the left RBG and Scalia’s seat. With those two, it’d be a 5-4 liberal court and this weeks historically drastic opinions would not have existed. Without voters joining us, this is the America we are getting.
Too many people, who want common sense gun reform and to protect womens rights, either get turned off by politics or don’t bother to show up every year.
Term limits in the court will never happen unless every single election year in the foreseeable future is a blue wave. Until then, we all get to enjoy unlimited guns on our streets and in our schools, and women gettin hauled off to jail.
It’s already set up that if the democrats win they cheated.
no democratic majority will ever be seen as legitimate to the slightly less than 50 percent minority
that train has left the station. Voting only matters if the winner is accepted by the country. Those days are gone
Keep hope alive, one day more reasonable people will see the need to vote for the left every year. If they start winning every year, that will blow holes in the trump conspiracy theories. Many thought that was the long term trend after the 2008 election. But more likely, that would never happen and the court will lean strongly to the right for decades.
Not to shit on the hope parade, but the upcoming midterm has a strong probability of being the last shot at voters getting a say in the governance of this country.
The plan to end representative governance is out in the open. There is a dedicated and supportive swath of people in this country who WILL show up and vote for it. I don’t think I need to state which end of the political spectrum I’m describing.
And gas prices will be the issue. Democrats will get hammered
nevermind the fact gas prices would be the same reguardless of who was president or who controls congress. The only thing Trump could have done is let Russia invade and block any sanctions on Russia. That’s not an actual solution though. It’s just trading lower gas prices for an even bigger problem later
people are voting on things the government really doesn’t directly control and ignoring things the government does directly control, its crazy
if the constitution doesn't explicitly state abortion, making it overturnable, the constitution doesn't explicitly state what type of arms either, making that overturnable.
muskets only. fuck em. everyone else? 10 year prison term. or castration. you choose.
We need term limits for Congress and Courts. No permanent politicians paid off by lobbyists and big corp. And ignore the extreme left and extreme right.
The right is loyal and shows up to vote, especially in off years, when the senate is often decided. This likely cost the left RBG and Scalia’s seat. With those two, it’d be a 5-4 liberal court and this weeks historically drastic opinions would not have existed. Without voters joining us, this is the America we are getting.
Too many people, who want common sense gun reform and to protect womens rights, either get turned off by politics or don’t bother to show up every year.
Term limits in the court will never happen unless every single election year in the foreseeable future is a blue wave. Until then, we all get to enjoy unlimited guns on our streets and in our schools, and women gettin hauled off to jail.
It’s already set up that if the democrats win they cheated.
no democratic majority will ever be seen as legitimate to the slightly less than 50 percent minority
that train has left the station. Voting only matters if the winner is accepted by the country. Those days are gone
Keep hope alive, one day more reasonable people will see the need to vote for the left every year. If they start winning every year, that will blow holes in the trump conspiracy theories. Many thought that was the long term trend after the 2008 election. But more likely, that would never happen and the court will lean strongly to the right for decades.
Not to shit on the hope parade, but the upcoming midterm has a strong probability of being the last shot at voters getting a say in the governance of this country.
The plan to end representative governance is out in the open. There is a dedicated and supportive swath of people in this country who WILL show up and vote for it. I don’t think I need to state which end of the political spectrum I’m describing.
Agreed. It’s too late. Brandon becomes a lame duck in January 2023 and repubs have two more years to ensure a return of POOTWH or his more polished version in Deathsantis. Repub state legislatures will cement their grip and ability to “legally” overturn election outcomes they don’t like.
If all goes according to plan, I’ll be watching from outside the country. I’ll turn the lights off for you.
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At some point (sooner than later), we need to do more than just complain (not that that isn't understandable and appropriate). We need to protest, educate voters, promote birth control, support Planned Parenthood (re recently donated dollars yet again) and most urgently, we need to support women who live in red states who want an abortion by sheltering them (opening homes, hotel vouchers, etc) and providing transportation to places that still allow abortions. Many women are going to need our support now, not just our gripes.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
At some point (sooner than later), we need to do more than just complain (not that that isn't understandable and appropriate). We need to protest, educate voters, promote birth control, support Planned Parenthood (re recently donated dollars yet again) and most urgently, we need to support women who live in red states who want an abortion by sheltering them (opening homes, hotel vouchers, etc) and providing transportation to places that still allow abortions. Many women are going to need our support now, not just our gripes.
Democrats are too polite, generally.
They bring a knife to a gun fight, are bound by traditional standards of what is acceptable, cling to the notion the moral high ground actually matters , etc
The far right bomb abortion clinics and shoot doctors at church to protest Roe… what are democrats really going to do? Nothing. They can’t and won’t. It’s both admirable and a weakness as they will not do anything at any cost to get their way. These people were 40 feet away from murdering their own Vice President that would never happen in the opposite situation. I mean it actually happened in 2000. Gore voters didn’t try to storm the capital and try to hang Al Gore for not declaring himself the winner
The conservatives succeeded. Enabling the far right this whole time and maintaining plausible deniability in specifically what they were doing
Ask any woman who’s used a planned parenthood in the last 30 years (for any reason) in a deep red state. Most (or at least a lot) of them will tell you they were physically afraid for their safety just getting through the front door. That’s what the conservatives do when they disagree, they unleash the fringe with a wink and a nod
Is this a joke? I don't know about where you live, but Bernie wasn't on the ballot here. I suppose folks could've written him in...?
Would Hillary have given us the three stooges of SCOTUS appointments? Don’t know where you live but Bernie’s failure to endorse Hillary and pretending he could beat POOTWH and be elected as a socialist certainly bears responsibility for today’s and future decisions. The Bernie protest voters own this.
I thought that he did endorse Hillary, albeit coldly, similar to his Biden endorsement. So I Googled it, and the headlines on July 12, 2016, were that that this endorsement did indeed take place in an effort to “unite” the party.
Anyway, I never considered voting for him because of my ageism. But I didn’t know that there was a large contingent of Bernie protest voters, so I Googled it. Turns out, there wasn’t. A weak queef of 0.08% of the vote tally was Bernie write-ins. Not even a dent. Maybe a scratch? The Nader shamers (and Nader voter shamers) maybe kinda sorta had a political point to make in 2000 because he was on the ballot and received an earth-shattering 2.74% of the vote, not even enough to get his fledgling party federal funding.
Is this more of an influence in the zeitgeist/cult of personality thing that you’re blaming him for? Because that seems misdirected. The media (Russian-tainted social media included, of course, in 2016) and the electorate play larger roles than the individual politician there, I’d argue.
And I genuinely thought you might be joking in the old “thanks, Obama” vein, but I saw other posters pointing the finger in his (and his supporters’) general direction as well and then began to wonder if you were.
Thanks for the explanation.
Its not that voters wrote Bernie in as a protest vote, its that Bernie's "cold" endorsement and his supporters sour grapes, i.e. the #neverhillary crowd that Bernie spawned, either voted POOTWH, third party or stayed home. And this is what it got them. 6%-12% of Bernie supporters ended up voting POOTWH. I don't know what the number of total Bernie supporters is/was but I'd fathom a brain fart that 6%-12% of whatever number it is, would have been enough to put Hillary in the White House and maybe, just maybe, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
New data is shedding light, however, on Sanders’s role in the last election — and on how many Sanders voters ended up supporting Trump. It’s a question many in the party will be asking about a candidate who may want to compete again for the Democratic nomination.
How many Sanders voters voted for Donald Trump?
Two surveys estimate that 12 percent of Sanders voters voted for Trump. A third survey suggests it was 6 percent.
First, the political scientist Brian Schaffner analyzed the Cooperative Congressional Election Study, which was conducted by YouGov and interviewed 64,600 Americans in October-November 2016. In that survey, Schaffner found that 12 percent of people who voted in the primary and reported voting for Sanders also voted in November and reported voting for Trump.
Schaffner examined only voters whose turnout in the primary and general election could be validated using voter file data. This excludes people who said they voted but actually did not — although it also excludes people who voted in caucuses or party-run primaries, for which validated turnout data are not as readily available.
Second, the same 12 percent figure emerges in the 2016 VOTER Survey, which was also conducted by YouGov and overseen by the Democracy Fund Voter Study Group (of which I am research director). In 2016, this survey interviewed 8,000 respondents in July, when they were asked their primary vote preference, and then in December, when they were asked their general election preference. This has the advantage of measuring primary preference closer to the primaries themselves and then tracking people over time. But their turnout in both elections has not been validated as of yet.
The third survey is the RAND Presidential Election Panel Survey, which interviewed the same group of about 3,000 Americans six times during the campaign. Again, this survey has the advantage of tracking voters over time, but nobody’s turnout has been validated. Among voters who reported supporting Sanders as of March 2016, 6 percent then reported voting for Trump in November.
I recall it was a pretty big story in 2016 how many liberals and left leaning independents didn’t like Hilary and didn’t vote for her. Not sure why that’s being forgotten.
In fact, a few months ago, many of the left leaners were screaming about Biden not being able to get BBB thru congress. The left in this country, compared to the right, is unaffiliated, not passionate and too busy to care about any cause.
So as a result, this is the country we get.
So while I recognize that it was enough to move the needle, at first glance, 1 in 10 really doesn't seem like much as a raw figure. (1 in 6, though! Hoo boy!) But then again, it's so much more than will ever compute to me to go from voting for Bernie to voting for Trump. As is 1 in 12. As is 1 in 1,000,000. This is actually astounding. Other than the absence of a Y chromosome, Hillary's policies were nearly identical to Bernie's; Trump's "policies" were nearly the polar opposite. Like what in the actual fuck are you voting for if you make the leap from Bernie to Trump? Sorry for the rant! Like most of us, I imagine, I'm just a little gobsmacked from being alive in America in 2022.
Still, I don't think we can blame Bernie just because an estimated 10% of his supporters had a fucking screw loose. And I'd also remind you that the #neverhillary crowd existed way before Bernie ever so much as thought about seeking the presidency. So, again, I think that blame is a little misdirected.
Thanks again for sharing these.
I get to go tell my daughter that here's another thing we've grievously failed her and her generation on.
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At some point (sooner than later), we need to do more than just complain (not that that isn't understandable and appropriate). We need to protest, educate voters, promote birth control, support Planned Parenthood (re recently donated dollars yet again) and most urgently, we need to support women who live in red states who want an abortion by sheltering them (opening homes, hotel vouchers, etc) and providing transportation to places that still allow abortions. Many women are going to need our support now, not just our gripes.
Democrats are too polite, generally.
They bring a knife to a gun fight, are bound by traditional standards of what is acceptable, cling to the notion the moral high ground actually matters , etc
The far right bomb abortion clinics and shoot doctors at church to protest Roe… what are democrats really going to do? Nothing. They can’t and won’t. It’s both admirable and a weakness as they will not do anything at any cost to get their way. These people were 40 feet away from murdering their own Vice President that would never happen in the opposite situation. I mean it actually happened in 2000. Gore voters didn’t try to storm the capital and try to hang Al Gore for not declaring himself the winner
The conservatives succeeded. Enabling the far right this whole time and maintaining plausible deniability in specifically what they were doing
Ask any woman who’s used a planned parenthood in the last 30 years (for any reason) in a deep red state. Most (or at least a lot) of them will tell you they were physically afraid for their safety just getting through the front door. That’s what the conservatives do when they disagree, they unleash the fringe with a wink and a nod
I'm not sure were on the same page here, Cropduster. My comment was basically about supporting women. You're talking about political actions. I was talking about supporting women.
I agree that Democrats are often to "polite", but what are you suggesting? That we resort to violence to oppose the other side?
I know very what what happens at Planned Parenthood centers. Years ago, a close family member of mine drove by a Planned Parenthood clinic in a rough neighbor on her work every day. One day, the far right protestors started harassing patients who were trying to get in there. She walked past the protestors and wrote a check for $100 to that clinic. When she came back out to her car, she told the protestors what she had done and told them she would do the same thing every day until they left. That ended up costing her several hundred dollars but eventually they did back off. I was afraid for her every day.
I won't go into detail, but I've done things to resist the right that could have caused me a huge amount of grief and harm. I'm guessing by the wording in your post, you've put yourself on the line as well. If you haven't, you might want to back off on the bluster a bit.
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At some point (sooner than later), we need to do more than just complain (not that that isn't understandable and appropriate). We need to protest, educate voters, promote birth control, support Planned Parenthood (re recently donated dollars yet again) and most urgently, we need to support women who live in red states who want an abortion by sheltering them (opening homes, hotel vouchers, etc) and providing transportation to places that still allow abortions. Many women are going to need our support now, not just our gripes.
Democrats are too polite, generally.
They bring a knife to a gun fight, are bound by traditional standards of what is acceptable, cling to the notion the moral high ground actually matters , etc
The far right bomb abortion clinics and shoot doctors at church to protest Roe… what are democrats really going to do? Nothing. They can’t and won’t. It’s both admirable and a weakness as they will not do anything at any cost to get their way. These people were 40 feet away from murdering their own Vice President that would never happen in the opposite situation. I mean it actually happened in 2000. Gore voters didn’t try to storm the capital and try to hang Al Gore for not declaring himself the winner
The conservatives succeeded. Enabling the far right this whole time and maintaining plausible deniability in specifically what they were doing
Ask any woman who’s used a planned parenthood in the last 30 years (for any reason) in a deep red state. Most (or at least a lot) of them will tell you they were physically afraid for their safety just getting through the front door. That’s what the conservatives do when they disagree, they unleash the fringe with a wink and a nod
I'm not sure were on the same page here, Cropduster. My comment was basically about supporting women. You're talking about political actions. I was talking about supporting women.
I agree that Democrats are often to "polite", but what are you suggesting? That we resort to violence to oppose the other side?
I know very what what happens at Planned Parenthood centers. Years ago, a close family member of mine drove by a Planned Parenthood clinic in a rough neighbor on her work every day. One day, the far right protestors started harassing patients who were trying to get in there. She walked past the protestors and wrote a check for $100 to that clinic. When she came back out to her car, she told the protestors what she had done and told them she would do the same thing every day until they left. That ended up costing her several hundred dollars but eventually they did back off. I was afraid for her every day.
I won't go into detail, but I've done things to resist the right that could have caused me a huge amount of grief and harm. I'm guessing by the wording in your post, you've put yourself on the line as well. If you haven't, you might want to back off on the bluster a bit.
I’m just referring to when you are talking about the need to “protest” and not just complain
democrats and republicans protest very differently and republicans are far more tolerant of their fringe when things get out of control.
Protesting as a democrat is kind of pointless as it’s not as effective. Im not saying democrats should get out of control I’m saying they play by different rules. Far right protesters scare people and that’s by design. It’s not right, but it’s true and they get away with it. And yes, in college a bunch of us escorted anyone in my sisters sorority house to planned parenthood any time they needed birth control. That was our normal Saturday and it didn’t always go well.
In the words of Dave Chappelle,"Fellas,if you have a dick,maybe you should shut the fuck up on this one."My heart and thoughts are with all women who this decision has impacted.
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Too many people, who want common sense gun reform and to protect womens rights, either get turned off by politics or don’t bother to show up every year.
Term limits in the court will never happen unless every single election year in the foreseeable future is a blue wave. Until then, we all get to enjoy unlimited guns on our streets and in our schools, and women gettin hauled off to jail.
no democratic majority will ever be seen as legitimate to the slightly less than 50 percent minority
that train has left the station. Voting only matters if the winner is accepted by the country. Those days are gone
In fact, a few months ago, many of the left leaners were screaming about Biden not being able to get BBB thru congress. The left in this country, compared to the right, is unaffiliated, not passionate and too busy to care about any cause.
So as a result, this is the country we get.
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i always wonder why they are still here to say that at all, after Obama won, twice
In a way, it's helpful to know many of us feel this way- most people I know do- yet in another way it hard knowing that most people you know have common sense and compassion and support democracy and yet at the same time see your country turning into a fascist state run by idiots.
That is a mystery that has perplexed me for several years. WTF happened?
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the supreme court and politics is separate from the anti democratic sentiment present in large swaths of the population
we can survive the politics, we can’t survive what’s happening to democracy itself. These awful policies and rulings are reversible but that depends on a functional democracy which the republicans are doing their best to dismantle.
A lot (if not all) hangs on what happen in November of this year and 2024. Scary thought.
nevermind the fact gas prices would be the same reguardless of who was president or who controls congress. The only thing Trump could have done is let Russia invade and block any sanctions on Russia. That’s not an actual solution though. It’s just trading lower gas prices for an even bigger problem later
people are voting on things the government really doesn’t directly control and ignoring things the government does directly control, its crazy
If all goes according to plan, I’ll be watching from outside the country. I’ll turn the lights off for you.
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Eventually the bill(damages) comes in, it’s gonna be a big one… but hey, you get the government you deserve
The far right bomb abortion clinics and shoot doctors at church to protest Roe… what are democrats really going to do? Nothing. They can’t and won’t. It’s both admirable and a weakness as they will not do anything at any cost to get their way. These people were 40 feet away from murdering their own Vice President that would never happen in the opposite situation. I mean it actually happened in 2000. Gore voters didn’t try to storm the capital and try to hang Al Gore for not declaring himself the winner
The conservatives succeeded. Enabling the far right this whole time and maintaining plausible deniability in specifically what they were doing
Ask any woman who’s used a planned parenthood in the last 30 years (for any reason) in a deep red state. Most (or at least a lot) of them will tell you they were physically afraid for their safety just getting through the front door. That’s what the conservatives do when they disagree, they unleash the fringe with a wink and a nod
Still, I don't think we can blame Bernie just because an estimated 10% of his supporters had a fucking screw loose. And I'd also remind you that the #neverhillary crowd existed way before Bernie ever so much as thought about seeking the presidency. So, again, I think that blame is a little misdirected.
Thanks again for sharing these.
I get to go tell my daughter that here's another thing we've grievously failed her and her generation on.
This, at least, was good to see.
Hopefully other heads of state act similarly.
Here's another tweet that I was glad to see. (not the war part, of course.)
democrats and republicans protest very differently and republicans are far more tolerant of their fringe when things get out of control.