Roe v Wade

OnWis97

Cropduster-80 said:

TBH if stuff like gay marriage is back on the table now as Thomas has indicated it’s up to the most liberal states (Massachusetts, California, Hawaii) to ban heterosexual marriage and specifically allow homosexual marriage just to make a point

at some point the liberals need to pass laws directly aimed at conservatives 

Heterosexuals  being targeted as second class citizens drives that point home.  If gay marriage isn’t a protected right according to Thomas, you can’t then argue heterosexual marriage is as what they are saying is marriage itself isn’t a protected right and it’s up to states to determine what marriage even is 

liberals need to do the exact same thing conservative are 

They've already conjured up in their minds that men, whites, cis, heterosexuals, etc. are constantly being victimized. So actually targeting them would not really change the mood.

PP193448

HughFreakingDillon said:

if the constitution doesn't explicitly state abortion, making it overturnable, the constitution doesn't explicitly state what type of arms either, making that overturnable. 

muskets only. fuck em. everyone else? 10 year prison term. or castration. you choose. 

We need term limits for Congress and Courts.  No permanent politicians paid off by lobbyists and big corp.  And ignore the extreme left and extreme right.

Cropduster-80

OnWis97 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

TBH if stuff like gay marriage is back on the table now as Thomas has indicated it’s up to the most liberal states (Massachusetts, California, Hawaii) to ban heterosexual marriage and specifically allow homosexual marriage just to make a point

at some point the liberals need to pass laws directly aimed at conservatives 

Heterosexuals  being targeted as second class citizens drives that point home.  If gay marriage isn’t a protected right according to Thomas, you can’t then argue heterosexual marriage is as what they are saying is marriage itself isn’t a protected right and it’s up to states to determine what marriage even is 

liberals need to do the exact same thing conservative are 

They've already conjured up in their minds that men, whites, cis, heterosexuals, etc. are constantly being victimized. So actually targeting them would not really change the mood.

I would rather a law banning heterosexual marriage get to the Supreme Court than a law banning gay marriage as it forces them to actually  decide if marriage is a right or not and I’m sure they would then say states can’t restrict who can get married if that happened. Thus protecting gay marriage vs saying it’s up to states to decide.  As if states decide it’s usually to target gays, not straight people.  You would force the courts hand to actively prevent states from deciding who can be married 

Hobbes

PP193448 said:

Hobbes said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Hobbes said:

First time the court has overturned a constitutional right. Thomas now taking aim at contraception, same sex relationships, and same sex marriage. Hey, CT, wonder what originalists think about interracial marriage.

It was never a constitutional right though was it?  It was a ruling that set a precedent.  It never did become a law or amendment.

In their dissent, the three judges wrote, "Roe and Casey were from the beginning, and are even more now, embedded in core constitutional concepts of individual freedom, and of the equal rights of citizens to decide on the shape of their lives."

Sad thing is that statement is so generic that it could be applied to people carrying guns for protection, even more now with increase in crime and defunding of police. 

Just one line from a 66 page document. The dissenting opinion speaks specifically to reproductive rights.
Dobbs dissent - DocumentCloud

mace1229

josevolution said:

My daughter who’s 25 just texted me she’s in Colorado, she texted Supreme Court just overturned Roe we need to leave this country! I’m thinking if she really wants too I’ll oblige her and will look at how to get it done Chile is not a bad option for us! 

Colorado won’t ban abortion. 

mace1229

HughFreakingDillon said:

Cropduster-80 said:

Here we go 

Justice Clarence Thomas, concurring with the majority ruling, explicitly called on the Supreme Court to overrule Griswold, which protects the right to contraception, Lawrence, the right to same-sex intimacy and Obergefell, the right to same-sex marriage.

He wants to 

1. Allow states to ban birth control

2. Allow states to make gay sex a crime punishable by prison 

3. Allow states to outlaw same sex marriage 

He said it right in the opinion… in writing 
and you can bet many states will do all 3 as soon as they can 

since when is the SCOTUS an activist organization? they are supposed to rule/opine on things brought forth to them, not issues they deem worthy of exploration. unbelievable. 

Was this not brought forth to them? I thought this all came about because Mississippi was trying to pass a 15-week ban on abortions and it just kept going up the chain until it reached the SC. That’s the only explanation I’ve heard, not that they just felt like exploring and ruling or Roe.

Cropduster-80

mace1229 said:

josevolution said:

My daughter who’s 25 just texted me she’s in Colorado, she texted Supreme Court just overturned Roe we need to leave this country! I’m thinking if she really wants too I’ll oblige her and will look at how to get it done Chile is not a bad option for us! 

Colorado won’t ban abortion. 

Congress will.  You’ve got 2 years 

if republicans get both chambers and the presidency it’s happening 

static111

PP193448 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

if the constitution doesn't explicitly state abortion, making it overturnable, the constitution doesn't explicitly state what type of arms either, making that overturnable. 

muskets only. fuck em. everyone else? 10 year prison term. or castration. you choose. 

We need term limits for Congress and Courts.  No permanent politicians paid off by lobbyists and big corp.  And ignore the extreme left and extreme right.

those sound like ideas that the extreme left has been touting for quite some time.

josevolution

Cropduster-80 said:

mace1229 said:

josevolution said:

My daughter who’s 25 just texted me she’s in Colorado, she texted Supreme Court just overturned Roe we need to leave this country! I’m thinking if she really wants too I’ll oblige her and will look at how to get it done Chile is not a bad option for us! 

Colorado won’t ban abortion. 

Congress will.  You’ve got 2 years 

if republicans get both chambers and the presidency it’s happening 

Plenty of time to plan it out! 

Hobbes

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Cropduster-80 said:

Here we go 

Justice Clarence Thomas, concurring with the majority ruling, explicitly called on the Supreme Court to overrule Griswold, which protects the right to contraception, Lawrence, the right to same-sex intimacy and Obergefell, the right to same-sex marriage.

He wants to 

1. Allow states to ban birth control

2. Allow states to make gay sex a crime punishable by prison 

3. Allow states to outlaw same sex marriage 

He said it right in the opinion… in writing 
and you can bet many states will do all 3 as soon as they can 

since when is the SCOTUS an activist organization? they are supposed to rule/opine on things brought forth to them, not issues they deem worthy of exploration. unbelievable. 

Was this not brought forth to them? I thought this all came about because Mississippi was trying to pass a 15-week ban on abortions and it just kept going up the chain until it reached the SC. That’s the only explanation I’ve heard, not that they just felt like exploring and ruling or Roe.

Yes, Dobbs was brought forth. However, Thomas is advocating that Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell should be brought forth. 

Cropduster-80

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Cropduster-80 said:

Here we go 

Justice Clarence Thomas, concurring with the majority ruling, explicitly called on the Supreme Court to overrule Griswold, which protects the right to contraception, Lawrence, the right to same-sex intimacy and Obergefell, the right to same-sex marriage.

He wants to 

1. Allow states to ban birth control

2. Allow states to make gay sex a crime punishable by prison 

3. Allow states to outlaw same sex marriage 

He said it right in the opinion… in writing 
and you can bet many states will do all 3 as soon as they can 

since when is the SCOTUS an activist organization? they are supposed to rule/opine on things brought forth to them, not issues they deem worthy of exploration. unbelievable. 

Was this not brought forth to them? I thought this all came about because Mississippi was trying to pass a 15-week ban on abortions and it just kept going up the chain until it reached the SC. That’s the only explanation I’ve heard, not that they just felt like exploring and ruling or Roe.

The lawyer representing Mississippi was asked why he was bringing the case.  He specifically said because the court has changed 

that’s why this has been litigated for 40 years. Trying to get a court to change their mind. They only had to win once.

they  lost that argument over and over though until now.  By definition the decision out of the norm is the activist judging. 

tempo_n_groove

Hobbes said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Hobbes said:

First time the court has overturned a constitutional right. Thomas now taking aim at contraception, same sex relationships, and same sex marriage. Hey, CT, wonder what originalists think about interracial marriage.

It was never a constitutional right though was it?  It was a ruling that set a precedent.  It never did become a law or amendment.

In their dissent, the three judges wrote, "Roe and Casey were from the beginning, and are even more now, embedded in core constitutional concepts of individual freedom, and of the equal rights of citizens to decide on the shape of their lives."

The 3 that didn't want it wrote that.  The others obviously felt different.

Court decisions obviously mean nothing.  You have to have bills and amendments now.  This can be a good thing if more and more states actually pass it as a bill for their states.  The ones that won't it will be hard going for a bit.

OnWis97

Cropduster-80 said:

OnWis97 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

TBH if stuff like gay marriage is back on the table now as Thomas has indicated it’s up to the most liberal states (Massachusetts, California, Hawaii) to ban heterosexual marriage and specifically allow homosexual marriage just to make a point

at some point the liberals need to pass laws directly aimed at conservatives 

Heterosexuals  being targeted as second class citizens drives that point home.  If gay marriage isn’t a protected right according to Thomas, you can’t then argue heterosexual marriage is as what they are saying is marriage itself isn’t a protected right and it’s up to states to determine what marriage even is 

liberals need to do the exact same thing conservative are 

They've already conjured up in their minds that men, whites, cis, heterosexuals, etc. are constantly being victimized. So actually targeting them would not really change the mood.

I would rather a law banning heterosexual marriage get to the Supreme Court than a law banning gay marriage as it forces them to actually  decide if marriage is a right or not and I’m sure they would then say states can’t restrict who can get married if that happened. Thus protecting gay marriage vs saying it’s up to states to decide.  As if states decide it’s usually to target gays, not straight people.  You would force the courts hand to actively prevent states from deciding who can be married 

That's an interesting point. I can't see any state getting that far with a law that's pretty much created to make a point. Particularly SCOTUS could strike it down and maintain gay marriage bans because God.

PP193448

static111 said:

PP193448 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

if the constitution doesn't explicitly state abortion, making it overturnable, the constitution doesn't explicitly state what type of arms either, making that overturnable. 

muskets only. fuck em. everyone else? 10 year prison term. or castration. you choose. 

We need term limits for Congress and Courts.  No permanent politicians paid off by lobbyists and big corp.  And ignore the extreme left and extreme right.

those sound like ideas that the extreme left has been touting for quite some time.

OK.  Then maybe only listen to the good ideas… 😜

CM189191

CM189191 said:

hope that protest vote was worth it

https://twitter.com/Pappiness/status/1540354323976056832?t=aQdHw273vQOiBJfrDLLAhQ&s=19

cutz

GlowGirl said:

I am devastated, but not surprised. So in two days this court gave more people the right to carry and conceal guns, and took away the right to a safe and legal abortion for many. Tragedy all around.

I feel the same.

Just when you think this Country can't go more backwards, they manage to go even farther back.

Hobbes

tempo_n_groove said:

Hobbes said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Hobbes said:

First time the court has overturned a constitutional right. Thomas now taking aim at contraception, same sex relationships, and same sex marriage. Hey, CT, wonder what originalists think about interracial marriage.

It was never a constitutional right though was it?  It was a ruling that set a precedent.  It never did become a law or amendment.

In their dissent, the three judges wrote, "Roe and Casey were from the beginning, and are even more now, embedded in core constitutional concepts of individual freedom, and of the equal rights of citizens to decide on the shape of their lives."

The 3 that didn't want it wrote that.  The others obviously felt different.

Court decisions obviously mean nothing.  You have to have bills and amendments now.  This can be a good thing if more and more states actually pass it as a bill for their states.  The ones that won't it will be hard going for a bit.

Not only these three judges. Different incarnations of the court for the last 50 years have upheld the notion that reproductive rights are a constitutional right.

PP193448

CM189191 said:

CM189191 said:

hope that protest vote was worth it

https://twitter.com/Pappiness/status/1540354323976056832?t=aQdHw273vQOiBJfrDLLAhQ&s=19

It’s really the consequence of not making legitimate reproductive laws through Congress since 1973.  Why has this not been done???  

HughFreakingDillon

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Cropduster-80 said:

Here we go 

Justice Clarence Thomas, concurring with the majority ruling, explicitly called on the Supreme Court to overrule Griswold, which protects the right to contraception, Lawrence, the right to same-sex intimacy and Obergefell, the right to same-sex marriage.

He wants to 

1. Allow states to ban birth control

2. Allow states to make gay sex a crime punishable by prison 

3. Allow states to outlaw same sex marriage 

He said it right in the opinion… in writing 
and you can bet many states will do all 3 as soon as they can 

since when is the SCOTUS an activist organization? they are supposed to rule/opine on things brought forth to them, not issues they deem worthy of exploration. unbelievable. 

Was this not brought forth to them? I thought this all came about because Mississippi was trying to pass a 15-week ban on abortions and it just kept going up the chain until it reached the SC. That’s the only explanation I’ve heard, not that they just felt like exploring and ruling or Roe.

i was referring to the other things thomas stated he wanted to address. birth control, same sex. 

Cropduster-80

Just wait until legitimate miscarriages are treated as suspicious 

if life begins at conception a murder investigation is mandatory.  Louisiana is passing a law that defines life as just that 

further victimisation of women who actually wanted a baby.  

If you start bleeding do you call the hospital or the police first? Get treatment or rule yourself out as a suspect?