*** ZURICH 2022 SETLIST THREAD ***

CO278952

Seems like good variety to me:

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Excited for MSG and Nashville in September. Will be epic!

steveddievedder

lastexitlondon said:

It all makes me appreciate  more what we did get on all those euro tours that blew our mind like amsterdam night 2 most times or leeds.  Im grateful and pleased i got the chance to live that. 

Well said, totally agree on that, some special times indeed. And I'm sure there will be many more still to come

Ando

I sat next to a man from Switzerland who’s dream was to always see Pearl Jam. He told me his number one song to hear was Black and it made him cry he was so happy. This show was the highlight of his year. I think sometimes we forget that not every show is for the die hard fan club members but also for the “normal” fans. 

But also I’m in the fan club and thought 20 songs was a little short. Still thought it was a good show no regrets for making the trip! 

TO42596

Ando said:

I sat next to a man from Switzerland who’s dream was to always see Pearl Jam. He told me his number one song to hear was Black and it made him cry he was so happy. This show was the highlight of his year. I think sometimes we forget that not every show is for the die hard fan club members but also for the “normal” fans. 

I think this is a very fair point. The majority of the crowd are casual fans and for that they need to play the "hits". It just stands out more now that the setlist is shorter. I'm ok with the 2 hour sets myself, but like many others would love to see more deep cuts and variety in general. It is what it is. If all goes according to plan I will be attending 5 shows this EURO tour and am still looking very much forward to them. Hope to hear most of Gigaton across the five, love that album!

Abe Froman

One of the biggest draws of the PJ live experience was the “oh man I wonder what they will play tonight?!?!?”  These sets so far have been a pretty standard formula with very little variety. I’ve listened to every boot of the first leg. It’s disappointing. No way around it. I am still very excited about my two upcoming shows (STL & Nashville) but 20 songs with 15 of them being played almost every night is not even close to the standard they have set for themselves over the years. Then throw in a cover like “believe in miracles” or a “sleeping by myself” over so many great songs from albums being ignored and I completely understand the passionate fans disappointment. Just being honest about my favorite band of all time. There’s no way I’d ever sit here and tell ya I wouldn’t want 30 songs over 20 with at least a chance of hearing “of the earth” or “STBC” or a 100 other songs. 

nicknyr15

Abe Froman said:

One of the biggest draws of the PJ live experience was the “oh man I wonder what they will play tonight?!?!?”  These sets so far have been a pretty standard formula with very little variety. I’ve listened to every boot of the first leg. It’s disappointing. No way around it. I am still very excited about my two upcoming shows (STL & Nashville) but 20 songs with 15 of them being played almost every night is not even close to the standard they have set for themselves over the years. Then throw in a cover like “believe in miracles” or a “sleeping by myself” over so many great songs from albums being ignored and I completely understand the passionate fans disappointment. Just being honest about my favorite band of all time. There’s no way I’d ever sit here and tell ya I wouldn’t want 30 songs over 20 with at least a chance of hearing “of the earth” or “STBC” or a 100 other songs. 

The “buzz” in the arena before PJ would take the stage was something that was indescribable. And it all had to do with the uncertainty of what would happen. Full
album? 3 hours? Rarity filled set? Opener? 

This new approach definitely takes away from that. 

Gern Blansten

I was at Oak1 and 2 and will say that both nights were great. There was still the "I wonder what they will play next" vibe and we had a few good ones (Brain of J, Dissident, WMA) and I can't say I was paying attention to length of show.

Sitting back and watching the setlists form on shows I'm not at is obviously different from being there but yeah...it's hard not to comment that major changes have taken place and I don't understand why.

Rod Stewart plays more songs....I mean come on

Abe Froman

nicknyr15 said:

Abe Froman said:

One of the biggest draws of the PJ live experience was the “oh man I wonder what they will play tonight?!?!?”  These sets so far have been a pretty standard formula with very little variety. I’ve listened to every boot of the first leg. It’s disappointing. No way around it. I am still very excited about my two upcoming shows (STL & Nashville) but 20 songs with 15 of them being played almost every night is not even close to the standard they have set for themselves over the years. Then throw in a cover like “believe in miracles” or a “sleeping by myself” over so many great songs from albums being ignored and I completely understand the passionate fans disappointment. Just being honest about my favorite band of all time. There’s no way I’d ever sit here and tell ya I wouldn’t want 30 songs over 20 with at least a chance of hearing “of the earth” or “STBC” or a 100 other songs. 

The “buzz” in the arena before PJ would take the stage was something that was indescribable. And it all had to do with the uncertainty of what would happen. Full
album? 3 hours? Rarity filled set? Opener? 

This new approach definitely takes away from that. 

Spot on 

Abe Froman

Gern Blansten said:

I was at Oak1 and 2 and will say that both nights were great. There was still the "I wonder what they will play next" vibe and we had a few good ones (Brain of J, Dissident, WMA) and I can't say I was paying attention to length of show.

Sitting back and watching the setlists form on shows I'm not at is obviously different from being there but yeah...it's hard not to comment that major changes have taken place and I don't understand why.

Rod Stewart plays more songs....I mean come on

Yup. And i am still pumped for my two upcoming shows and I still think they are the best live band out there. But it’s a drastic change from what we’ve been accustomed to. And after listening to the boots (which I realize is not the same as being there) there is a noticeable different in this tours shows. For the first time I can remember there were multiple moments where I was thinking “Jesus Ed, stop talking and play the next song already” when I was listening to the boots. 

Quick stat:  they have played 5 total songs from Backspacer, LB and Binaural. 0 from Riot Act and Avocado

ComeToTX

saurighi said:

ComeToTX said:

Lack of variety is definitely concerning. I’ve seen something new at 24 of 25 of my shows and the last 2 had nothing I haven’t seen live. 

Apologies, but this is how statistical distributions work... it's not them, it's you... the more shows you go to, the least new songs you will be able to see and the more likely you are to just see the same songs over and over. 
The fact that they now play fewer songs, makes it even harder for you to see a new song being played.

They played 23 in Berlin and 20 in Zurich and just 8 were the same (having to play the songs from the new album and the classics) which makes it 35 unique songs in 2 shows. That is variety to me.

If the goal is to see a new song, then maybe you need to accept the fact that it will be just rarer and rarer for you.

Valid point. I’d still like to hear songs I’ve heard once or twice and not 10-15. My casual fan wife will love the new trend though, and that’s great. 

vedpunk

If they played more rarities and less hits when they only play 20 songs per set, they would never fill an arena again.  

ComeToTX

Is it a rarity if it's on one of your studio albums?  We don't want Bee Girl and Strangest Tribe every night but mixing in some Riot Act would be nice.

jimjam1982

vedpunk said:

If they played more rarities and less hits when they only play 20 songs per set, they would never fill an arena again.  

Fantastic. Let's go back to playing places like showbox then.

Also, They didn't sell out a single Leg 1 show. Oakland and Fresno were so empty you can hear echoes when Ed speaks

Kloddz

jimjam1982 said:

Fantastic. Let's go back to playing places like showbox then.

Great idea, that way we will finally again get people with THE lowest member numbers, that are ENTITLED to get tickets to EVERY show, complaining about not getting tickets to the show - and that's what this forum was meant to be about in the first place, wasn't it? 😉

vedpunk

jimjam1982 said:

vedpunk said:

If they played more rarities and less hits when they only play 20 songs per set, they would never fill an arena again.  

Fantastic. Let's go back to playing places like showbox then.

Also, They didn't sell out a single Leg 1 show. Oakland and Fresno were so empty you can hear echoes when Ed speaks

They have way too many mouths to feed to not play arenas/ballparks.   

I'm guessing they learned a lesson to never play that many west coast shows again.   They could have easily sold out multiple arenas in most east coast cities and most Texas & Florida cities.  It's maddening to think why they leave out so many of their hardcore fans, even when it financially makes more sense.  (But that's for another thread)

saurighi

PJNB said:

saurighi said:

ComeToTX said:

Lack of variety is definitely concerning. I’ve seen something new at 24 of 25 of my shows and the last 2 had nothing I haven’t seen live. 

Apologies, but this is how statistical distributions work... it's not them, it's you... the more shows you go to, the least new songs you will be able to see and the more likely you are to just see the same songs over and over. 
The fact that they now play fewer songs, makes it even harder for you to see a new song being played.

They played 23 in Berlin and 20 in Zurich and just 8 were the same (having to play the songs from the new album and the classics) which makes it 35 unique songs in 2 shows. That is variety to me.

If the goal is to see a new song, then maybe you need to accept the fact that it will be just rarer and rarer for you.

You say its not them but you but then go on about how its them too...

Indeed!
I see you highlighted the part that would make my statement wrong.

I then go on to say that the variety is still there despite the fewer songs, so for me it is not them. That is my opinion.

The whole thing is driven by the individual perspective. As another individual said here, to them all songs were new last night.
So it's not the band, it's the individual. 

I am just looking forward to tomorrow and seeing Pixies for the first time ❤️
All their songs tomorrow will be new to me

Rossdoc81

This isn't random, they have made a decision to play two hour shows. I assume they would have had a discussion about this, and talked about the reaction of fans. Stopping half way through Yellow Ledbetter into alive in Berlin was pretty awful. Yes there was a curfew but you could have started earlier, or broken the curfew.

Covid was awful on everyone and who knows what impact it had on each member of the band. They are human beings like us, not machines. If they acknowledged the shorter sets it probably would be better.

It's also super rare to have the original four members of a band still together, so if they've had a falling out it wouldn't be that unusual. I played in a band with my brother and best friend for ten years and by the end we borderline hated each other..

I don't buy the Matt not being able to hack the drums story as you could just do acoustic sets or quiet songs. I also don't buy the Eddie's voice being gone as he could do lower songs in between  to give him a break.

Between playing on the street and gigging today I played for five hours in Berlin and made €112. Wouldn't I and every musician around here like to be selling out the Waldbuhne on the longest day of the year

aweisman10

Rossdoc81 said:

This isn't random, they have made a decision to play two hour shows. I assume they would have had a discussion about this, and talked about the reaction of fans. Stopping half way through Yellow Ledbetter into alive in Berlin was pretty awful. Yes there was a curfew but you could have started earlier, or broken the curfew.

Covid was awful on everyone and who knows what impact it had on each member of the band. They are human beings like us, not machines. If they acknowledged the shorter sets it probably would be better.

It's also super rare to have the original four members of a band still together, so if they've had a falling out it wouldn't be that unusual. I played in a band with my brother and best friend for ten years and by the end we borderline hated each other..

I don't buy the Matt not being able to hack the drums story as you could just do acoustic sets or quiet songs. I also don't buy the Eddie's voice being gone as he could do lower songs in between  to give him a break.

Between playing on the street and gigging today I played for five hours in Berlin and made €112. Wouldn't I and every musician around here like to be selling out the Waldbuhne on the longest day of the year? Maybe these lads are starting to forget where they came from?

Rossdoc81 said:

This isn't random, they have made a decision to play two hour shows. I assume they would have had a discussion about this, and talked about the reaction of fans. Stopping half way through Yellow Ledbetter into alive in Berlin was pretty awful. Yes there was a curfew but you could have started earlier, or broken the curfew.

Covid was awful on everyone and who knows what impact it had on each member of the band. They are human beings like us, not machines. If they acknowledged the shorter sets it probably would be better.

It's also super rare to have the original four members of a band still together, so if they've had a falling out it wouldn't be that unusual. I played in a band with my brother and best friend for ten years and by the end we borderline hated each other..

I don't buy the Matt not being able to hack the drums story as you could just do acoustic sets or quiet songs. I also don't buy the Eddie's voice being gone as he could do lower songs in between  to give him a break.

Between playing on the street and gigging today I played for five hours in Berlin and made €112. Wouldn't I and every musician around here like to be selling out the Waldbuhne on the longest day of the year? Maybe these lads are starting to forget where they came from?

This is a great post! 100% agreed! It would make the WAY shorter sets easier to digest if they acknowledged the reasoning and made fans aware to not expect a normal Pearl Jam show that we’ve been a costumed to all these years. They are charging the same price for a lot shorter of a show. I’m thinking about selling all my tickets to the fall shows, not worth it traveling to see such a short show at this point. 

aweisman10

jrellis2 said:

I’m bummed and hoping that the length/song variety goes back up to 25-30 a night. Many headline bands play the same 18 songs every night, so it’s not that bad. But I get it- a huge part
of the dedication this fan base has is from the live experience: the variety, the long encores, the bootlegs. I knew Ten in the 90s- but it was picking up 2003 bootlegs from the CD store going out of business that got me hooked. We also know the fate of other bands from their era, we know what happened recently with Hawkins. I think they’ll adapt in a way that will be a happy medium for the fans and the band. 

100% the variety, long shows, spontaneity of the live set, is the reason I got into Pearl Jam in first place. This somewhat ruins it for me. It sucks. 

Gern Blansten

jimjam1982 said:

vedpunk said:

If they played more rarities and less hits when they only play 20 songs per set, they would never fill an arena again.  

Fantastic. Let's go back to playing places like showbox then.

Also, They didn't sell out a single Leg 1 show. Oakland and Fresno were so empty you can hear echoes when Ed speaks

Nope... Both oak shows were packed whether sold out or not