*** BERLIN 2022 SETLIST THREAD ***

mcgruff10

Gern Blansten said:

nicknyr15 said:

Gern Blansten said:

CO278952 said:

Their festival sets have traditionally been shorter so no surprise there. 

Right....the surprise has been that the non festival setlists are the same length and songs

And even more surprising is the lack of variety. Yes they switch it up, but they’re not digging deep at all and are ignoring multiple albums. 

Ignoring Binaural and RA has been the case for several years....but yeah the lack of variety is disappointing. And again....I'm ok with shorter setlists but dump the covers and give us variety. If the idea of the standard setlist is to appease the non die hard fans then a good compromise would be to play Rival and Cropduster over Throw your Hatred Down and I Believe in Miracles.  The NDH fans don't want to hear the covers either.

100% agree.  Well said.  

Gern Blansten

Weston1283 said:

Gern Blansten said:

nicknyr15 said:

Gern Blansten said:

CO278952 said:

Their festival sets have traditionally been shorter so no surprise there. 

Right....the surprise has been that the non festival setlists are the same length and songs

And even more surprising is the lack of variety. Yes they switch it up, but they’re not digging deep at all and are ignoring multiple albums. 

Ignoring Binaural and RA has been the case for several years....but yeah the lack of variety is disappointing. And again....I'm ok with shorter setlists but dump the covers and give us variety. If the idea of the standard setlist is to appease the non die hard fans then a good compromise would be to play Rival and Cropduster over Throw your Hatred Down and I Believe in Miracles.  The NDH fans don't want to hear the covers either.

I'm not even talking about Deep cuts when I talk about variety.  There are songs that were previous singles/radio releases that have completely disappeared. 

How many combined appearances have we seen of Hail Hail, WWS, Life Wasted, Breakerfall, Grievance, The Fixer, In Hiding, I Am Mine, I could go on and on.....

The deep cuts thing doesn't bother me a whole lot, but there are just so many classic but also popular PJ songs that have seemingly disappeared, and that's what I think many of us also mean when we discuss a lack of variety.  

holy shit I forgot about In Hiding....great fucking song that they haven't played for FOUR YEARS

nicknyr15

Gern Blansten said:

Weston1283 said:

Gern Blansten said:

nicknyr15 said:

Gern Blansten said:

CO278952 said:

Their festival sets have traditionally been shorter so no surprise there. 

Right....the surprise has been that the non festival setlists are the same length and songs

And even more surprising is the lack of variety. Yes they switch it up, but they’re not digging deep at all and are ignoring multiple albums. 

Ignoring Binaural and RA has been the case for several years....but yeah the lack of variety is disappointing. And again....I'm ok with shorter setlists but dump the covers and give us variety. If the idea of the standard setlist is to appease the non die hard fans then a good compromise would be to play Rival and Cropduster over Throw your Hatred Down and I Believe in Miracles.  The NDH fans don't want to hear the covers either.

I'm not even talking about Deep cuts when I talk about variety.  There are songs that were previous singles/radio releases that have completely disappeared. 

How many combined appearances have we seen of Hail Hail, WWS, Life Wasted, Breakerfall, Grievance, The Fixer, In Hiding, I Am Mine, I could go on and on.....

The deep cuts thing doesn't bother me a whole lot, but there are just so many classic but also popular PJ songs that have seemingly disappeared, and that's what I think many of us also mean when we discuss a lack of variety.  

holy shit I forgot about In Hiding....great fucking song that they haven't played for FOUR YEARS

Inexcusable 

bbiggs

nicknyr15 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Weston1283 said:

Gern Blansten said:

nicknyr15 said:

Gern Blansten said:

CO278952 said:

Their festival sets have traditionally been shorter so no surprise there. 

Right....the surprise has been that the non festival setlists are the same length and songs

And even more surprising is the lack of variety. Yes they switch it up, but they’re not digging deep at all and are ignoring multiple albums. 

Ignoring Binaural and RA has been the case for several years....but yeah the lack of variety is disappointing. And again....I'm ok with shorter setlists but dump the covers and give us variety. If the idea of the standard setlist is to appease the non die hard fans then a good compromise would be to play Rival and Cropduster over Throw your Hatred Down and I Believe in Miracles.  The NDH fans don't want to hear the covers either.

I'm not even talking about Deep cuts when I talk about variety.  There are songs that were previous singles/radio releases that have completely disappeared. 

How many combined appearances have we seen of Hail Hail, WWS, Life Wasted, Breakerfall, Grievance, The Fixer, In Hiding, I Am Mine, I could go on and on.....

The deep cuts thing doesn't bother me a whole lot, but there are just so many classic but also popular PJ songs that have seemingly disappeared, and that's what I think many of us also mean when we discuss a lack of variety.  

holy shit I forgot about In Hiding....great fucking song that they haven't played for FOUR YEARS

Inexcusable 

Scratched in Phoenix this year for Black...

Discopij

For all the people in the past complaining about having too many stadium shows vs. smaller venues, this is a consequence ... Ed always talked about how stadium shows with no opener put more pressure on them to do bigger/crazier sets.  Maybe this could still happen if they go back to stadiums next year.

nicknyr15

Discopij said:

For all the people in the past complaining about having too many stadium shows vs. smaller venues, this is a consequence ... Ed always talked about how stadium shows with no opener put more pressure on them to do bigger/crazier sets.  Maybe this could still happen if they go back to stadiums next year.

Makes no sense. 2013? 2014? 2016? Stadiums vs arenas has nothing to do with these sets. 

PJNB

nicknyr15 said:

Discopij said:

For all the people in the past complaining about having too many stadium shows vs. smaller venues, this is a consequence ... Ed always talked about how stadium shows with no opener put more pressure on them to do bigger/crazier sets.  Maybe this could still happen if they go back to stadiums next year.

Makes no sense. 2013? 2014? 2016? Stadiums vs arenas has nothing to do with these sets. 

The amount of reasons I have heard for the reasoning of these shorter sets is amazing to me. 

Ryan

I’d guess there are a few things at play regarding the shorter sets.  Ed seemed to struggle the first few shows in 2018, London 2 had to get postponed, and I thought he was pretty rough the remainder of the tour.  3.5 years off, and older likely has something to do with it, along with a relatively busy itinerary.
It should be noted as well that the 2018 shows were shorter as a whole than the 2016 shows, and many of the 2016 shows were shorter than the 2013/2014 shows.  

mcgruff10

PJNB said:

nicknyr15 said:

Discopij said:

For all the people in the past complaining about having too many stadium shows vs. smaller venues, this is a consequence ... Ed always talked about how stadium shows with no opener put more pressure on them to do bigger/crazier sets.  Maybe this could still happen if they go back to stadiums next year.

Makes no sense. 2013? 2014? 2016? Stadiums vs arenas has nothing to do with these sets. 

The amount of reasons I have heard for the reasoning of these shorter sets is amazing to me. 

I heard it's because the stage lights are too bright for ed and they are affecting his vision.  ed is pretty stubborn and he refuses to wear glasses like bono has.  again just what I heard.  

ddeschler

jimjam1982 said:

Did Ed also talk for 20 minutes at this show? US shows were getting near 30 minutes of the set wasted with pointless banter about someone who passed away or some actor friend. 

You don't want to hear 5 minutes on what a great guy Bill Murray is (and how those allegations can't be true)?

jimjam1982

ddeschler said:

jimjam1982 said:

Did Ed also talk for 20 minutes at this show? US shows were getting near 30 minutes of the set wasted with pointless banter about someone who passed away or some actor friend. 

You don't want to hear 5 minutes on what a great guy Bill Murray is (and how those allegations can't be true)?

Nope. Love the stories about how he wrote songs or some dream or political discourse but sorry if I give zero fucks about hollywood.

CantKeepmedown

Ryan said:

I’d guess there are a few things at play regarding the shorter sets.  Ed seemed to struggle the first few shows in 2018, London 2 had to get postponed, and I thought he was pretty rough the remainder of the tour.  3.5 years off, and older likely has something to do with it, along with a relatively busy itinerary.
It should be noted as well that the 2018 shows were shorter as a whole than the 2016 shows, and many of the 2016 shows were shorter than the 2013/2014 shows.  

2013/14 to 2016 was little to no change in average setlist length. Maybe a 2-3 song dropoff from 2016 to 2018.  Now we're talking like 8-9 songs less.  

Like I said, I hope at some point they can discuss the decision making process. Would be fascinating to hear. Who's idea was it? Did anybody oppose? 

nicknyr15

CantKeepmedown said:

Ryan said:

I’d guess there are a few things at play regarding the shorter sets.  Ed seemed to struggle the first few shows in 2018, London 2 had to get postponed, and I thought he was pretty rough the remainder of the tour.  3.5 years off, and older likely has something to do with it, along with a relatively busy itinerary.
It should be noted as well that the 2018 shows were shorter as a whole than the 2016 shows, and many of the 2016 shows were shorter than the 2013/2014 shows.  

2013/14 to 2016 was little to no change in average setlist length. Maybe a 2-3 song dropoff from 2016 to 2018.  Now we're talking like 8-9 songs less.  

Like I said, I hope at some point they can discuss the decision making process. Would be fascinating to hear. Who's idea was it? Did anybody oppose? 

I’d love to hear this but we know it'll
never happen. 

steven87

RatherStarved said:

Gern Blansten said:

RatherStarved said:

Keep in mind at least 3 of them had Covid this year.  Months after the infection a lot of people are still fatigued from it.  And these guys are in their fifties which is on the cusp of the age when it takes longer to recover.  Jeff and Matt are only a few weeks out.  That they can play a two hour show already is pretty impressive.  It’s possible the shows will get longer as their recovery continues.  After years of no shows I’m certainly not going to complain that the shows are too short.  

Yeah but the 3 ohana shows were the same length... No covid 

They were festivals though.  And they were great.  Especially the Encore Friday.

Despite the shorter set, that Friday Encore show was one of the best times I’ve had at a PJ show. Band sounded great, crowd was great, and beautiful location. I hope they do another double feature PJ Ohana weekend at some point. 

TinaE

dimitrispearljam said:

Eddie asked me to stop crowd surfong to a dude. It's not a good song for that(NOTHING AN) . I love your shirt tho
WE HAVE OTHER  SONGS TO DO THAT. LOL

That was really funny...I was like, why is this guy crowd surfing to this song? And that's when Ed pointed out that it's a romantic song and not the right moment for crowd surfing. I had to laugh so much...

23scidoo

Good to see you Dimi..

trees

Weston1283 said:

22-23 songs is the new reality and it's here to stay

RIP Binaural 2000-2022
RIP Riot Act 2002-2022
RIP Avocado 2006-2022

I believe  they will pull these albums  and songs out very soon 

trees

lastexitlondon said:

So pleased for Roland  and his friends

Yes blessings  on him and family and friends  .peace ti Roland