The Official 2023 Tour Rumor Thread

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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,163
    Fenway concerts thus far are meh. I've legit never heard of Morgan Wallen before and the dude is playing three straight nights. 

    https://www.mlb.com/redsox/tickets/concerts
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  • SandyRavageSandyRavage Posts: 1,044
    JimmyV said:
    Fenway concerts thus far are meh. I've legit never heard of Morgan Wallen before and the dude is playing three straight nights. 

    https://www.mlb.com/redsox/tickets/concerts
    He used a racial slur and became more popular for it 
  • JadlerJadler Posts: 761
    euchrid said:
    Jadler said:
    Heard from a friend of a friend in Sox organization they had been negotiating for another Fenway experience, but not done deal yet. I’m not giving up on at least a few big shows this year. They could conceivably go back to Fenway around Labor Day again as Sox are out of town for a long road trip during that time. Will obviously share any more info when it becomes available to me. Dream is not dead yet though! 
    Need the guy who found the fenway concert permits list last time around….where you at? Lol
    thanks @Jadler
    This is the public notice of Fenway permit requests from 2022. I don't see anything related for 2023..but I assume it would be within the next month at the latest to get anything booked in 2023

    https://www.boston.gov/public-notices/15784061





    Thanks for posting. This is great. Based on last year they will be posting something in short order. Looks like they’d have to formally apply within the next few weeks. 
  • ChoskaChoska Posts: 123
    edited January 2023
    JimmyV said:
    Fenway concerts thus far are meh. I've legit never heard of Morgan Wallen before and the dude is playing three straight nights. 

    https://www.mlb.com/redsox/tickets/concerts
    I saw him at Watershed and he was boring as hell. Each song sounded the same as the one before it. Even my kids, who are big country music fans, were disappointed in his show. I honestly don't get why he is so popular. 

    If you get a chance to see Zac Brown, Brothers Osborne, Midland, or Maren Morris don't hesitate to go. They are all great. Zac Brown dropped a Metallica cover at Watershed that absolutely blew my mind. I can also highly recommend Zach Bryan. His live album, "All My Homies Hate Ticketmaster," is a sentiment that I reckon has some resonance around here. 
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  • treestrees Posts: 1,868
    If they are looking at ballparks and don't want to deal with any Wrigley Field hassles, Great American ballpark in Cincinnati would be a nice choice.
    Yes it is a great choice 


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  • Lost In OhioLost In Ohio Posts: 6,886
    trees said:
    If they are looking at ballparks and don't want to deal with any Wrigley Field hassles, Great American ballpark in Cincinnati would be a nice choice.
    Yes it is a great choice 

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  • Lost In OhioLost In Ohio Posts: 6,886
    edited January 2023
    JimmyV said:
    Fenway concerts thus far are meh. I've legit never heard of Morgan Wallen before and the dude is playing three straight nights. 

    https://www.mlb.com/redsox/tickets/concerts
    He used a racial slur and became more popular for it 


    Also TMW he was arrested for disorderly conduct after being ejected from Kid Rock's steakhouse in Nashville in May 2020. He then didn't adhere to NBC's COVID protocols and SNL gave him the boot.

    How low/stupid do you have to go/be to get ejected from Kid Rock's place?
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  • JimmyV said:
    Fenway concerts thus far are meh. I've legit never heard of Morgan Wallen before and the dude is playing three straight nights. 

    https://www.mlb.com/redsox/tickets/concerts
    He used a racial slur and became more popular for it 


    Also TMW he was arrested for disorderly conduct after being ejected from Kid Rock's steakhouse in Nashville in May 202. He then didn't adhere to NBC's COVID protocols and SNL gave him the boot.

    How low/stupid do you have to go/be to get ejected from Kid Rock's place?
    Wow, I didn’t realize Kid Rock’s place had been around for 1821 years.  
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  • Lost In OhioLost In Ohio Posts: 6,886
    JimmyV said:
    Fenway concerts thus far are meh. I've legit never heard of Morgan Wallen before and the dude is playing three straight nights. 

    https://www.mlb.com/redsox/tickets/concerts
    He used a racial slur and became more popular for it 


    Also TMW he was arrested for disorderly conduct after being ejected from Kid Rock's steakhouse in Nashville in May 202. He then didn't adhere to NBC's COVID protocols and SNL gave him the boot.

    How low/stupid do you have to go/be to get ejected from Kid Rock's place?
    Wow, I didn’t realize Kid Rock’s place had been around for 1821 years.  

    Such happens typing on mobile..fixed.
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  • camhendycamhendy Posts: 164
    It's kind of wild to me that people are pissed at Metallica for tying up their money now for shows in 2024. I can't help but think what an absolute privilege it would be to know about your band's shows more than 3 months in advance
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  • ZodZod Posts: 10,571
    camhendy said:
    It's kind of wild to me that people are pissed at Metallica for tying up their money now for shows in 2024. I can't help but think what an absolute privilege it would be to know about your band's shows more than 3 months in advance

    also ticket prices grow faster than the rate of inflation, so if the show went on sale in a year or two it'd probably cost even more.

    It doesn't bug me, just like it didn't bug me when shows got postponed due to covid.   I buy tickets because I want to see a show.   I'm more concerned about the show happening, than I am that someone sits on the money for a year or two.
  • JojoRiceJojoRice Posts: 4,267
    Would be nice if we could at least get a teaser or something at this point.  
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,163
    It doesn't look good for the spring, but if ballparks are happening those announcements will be coming soon. 
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  • JojoRiceJojoRice Posts: 4,267
    JimmyV said:
    It doesn't look good for the spring, but if ballparks are happening those announcements will be coming soon. 
    Agreed.  Especially if the Philly ballpark shows are happening in early June. 
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  • Weston1283Weston1283 Posts: 4,848
    I think we are still in range for a Spring Tour.  If we dont hear anything by the Super Bowl (3 and a half weeks from now) then I think April and May is out
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    2023: St. Paul II
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  • Madonna world tour just announced.  Can’t let her have the spotlight…let’s get some news.  
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  • RyanRyan Posts: 1,113
    Last year’s tour and the May 2006 and May 2010 tours all weren’t announced until a couple weeks into March.  If they’re in touring in May ending at Philly baseball stadium early June, we might be waiting about two months still for an announcement.  If a tour is actually happening it wouldn’t be surprising to get the Philly ballpark shows announced first and the other shows after.

    If Josh Klinghoffer is touring with Pearl Jam again, and touring the Iggy Pop dates, it’s easy to see where the Pearl Jam dates would fit based on the Iggy Pop tour.  Probably something like May 10-June 3.

    With the lack of rumours it’s also possible that’s when Pearl Jam had planned to tour but then scrapped it. 
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  • mrk2mrk2 Posts: 2,067
    Most likely Iggy Pop will tour with the "Losers" band only briefly, like the dates in April. When he hits the summer dates, it's most likely back to his regular backing band. He did the same during the last album in 2016 when his backing band included Josh Homme and others. They had a brief tour in the spring, then the rest of the year it was his normal backing band, including festivals in the summer.
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  • Go AnimalGo Animal Posts: 5,671
    mrk2 said:
    Most likely Iggy Pop will tour with the "Losers" band only briefly, like the dates in April. When he hits the summer dates, it's most likely back to his regular backing band. He did the same during the last album in 2016 when his backing band included Josh Homme and others. They had a brief tour in the spring, then the rest of the year it was his normal backing band, including festivals in the summer.
    Ok, this helps a LOT. Thanks!
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,163
    Glen Hansard will be back in the U.S. this summer.

    https://glenhansard.com/
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  • Go AnimalGo Animal Posts: 5,671
    edited January 2023
    JimmyV said:
    Glen Hansard will be back in the U.S. this summer.

    https://glenhansard.com/
    Not only is this good news, but helps eliminate potential Earthlings dates...
    (and gives me more hope for August PJ dates that run concurrent). Thank you, Jimmy V!
    Post edited by Go Animal on
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  • RiotAct10RiotAct10 Posts: 1,619
    Go Animal said:
    JimmyV said:
    Glen Hansard will be back in the U.S. this summer.

    https://glenhansard.com/
    Not only is this good news, but helps eliminate potential Earthlings dates...
    (and gives me more hope for August PJ dates that run concurrent). Thank you, Jimmy V!
    Maybe, but also the Earthlings played their October shows last year without Glen, so I am not sure too much can be taken from this.
    words seem so out of place.

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  • D-RodD-Rod Posts: 1,845
    I think we are still in range for a Spring Tour.  If we dont hear anything by the Super Bowl (3 and a half weeks from now) then I think April and May is out
    There is still plenty of time, my mild concern is the lack of any real rumours.  Previous tours we’ve had several hints by now.
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    2005.....Hamilton
    2011.....Toronto N1, Toronto N2, Hamilton
    2013.....London, Buffalo
    2014.....Detroit
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    2018.....Seattle N1, Seattle N2
    2022.....San Diego, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Phoenix, Oakland N1, Oakland N2, Quebec City, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto  
    2023.....Fort Worth N1, Fort Worth N2, Austin N1, Austin N2
    2024.....Las Vegas N1, Las Vegas N2, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Boston N1, Boston N2
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,423
    edited January 2023
    I think we are still in range for a Spring Tour.  If we dont hear anything by the Super Bowl (3 and a half weeks from now) then I think April and May is out
    I agree with this... if we don't hear by the second week of February, we can forget the spring. 
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    Australia in November. Let’s hope so! 🤞
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  • jimjam1982jimjam1982 Posts: 1,428
    I think we are still in range for a Spring Tour.  If we dont hear anything by the Super Bowl (3 and a half weeks from now) then I think April and May is out
    I agree with this... if we don't hear by the second week of February, we can forget the spring. 
    We can also forget stadium shows in the summer months with that same deadline.  Stadiums are announced much farther in advance then arenas/sheds.
  • KB82926KB82926 Posts: 60
    Looks like the Home shows were announced on January 22, 2018.
  • As they get older I can't imagine just letting a year go by with no shows, especially following the pandemic shutdown.  The NW is starving for shows.  That being said, this thread is getting desperate
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,423
    As they get older I can't imagine just letting a year go by with no shows, especially following the pandemic shutdown.  The NW is starving for shows.  That being said, this thread is getting desperate
    The NE as well... September will make 5 years since they played New England.
  • RK50065RK50065 Posts: 897
    KB82926 said:
    Looks like the Home shows were announced on January 22, 2018.
    how early did we have those rumors?

    iirc someone found the info website the weekend before they were announced?!
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