Wonder if COVID bubbles are playing into it. They don’t like living in a bubble for too long. Multiple shows minimizes travel from city to city. Shorter tour, maybe less insurance.
Weird bits of routing cherry-picked out of an extensive tour aren't going to compare with MN-IL-IN-TX then go home. That it is a twelve hour drive is part of the weirdness. That there appear to only appear to be 9 shows is part of the weirdness. That those nine shows are in only four states is part of the weirdness.
Only 9 shows, if true, after 4 of the last 6 years featured zero headline shows (or a couple festivals) is weird
At this point, they might as well start labeling every tour Farewell Part 1, 2 etc. because it’s going to take them forever to see all their fans/markets one more time.
Some of those markets are never gonna see them again, they just don’t know it yet. And all of us who aren’t in a major city are just hoping it ain’t us.
DMB has been giving shows to brand new venues for years, I assume mainly due to their huge connection to Live Nation / MusicToday / Coran Capshaw. They've played small new venues in B'ham, Huntsville, Southaven, JAX, etc. Looks like PJ doing the same, Austin Moody Center opened a year ago, Dickies opened NOV 2019 just before COVID hit. Every venue has it's own P/L and new venues need big sellout shows to be profitable asap.
Weird bits of routing cherry-picked out of an extensive tour aren't going to compare with MN-IL-IN-TX then go home. That it is a twelve hour drive is part of the weirdness. That there appear to only appear to be 9 shows is part of the weirdness. That those nine shows are in only four states is part of the weirdness.
Only 9 shows, if true, after 4 of the last 6 years featured zero headline shows (or a couple festivals) is weird
At this point, they might as well start labeling every tour Farewell Part 1, 2 etc. because it’s going to take them forever to see all their fans/markets one more time.
Some of those markets are never gonna see them again, they just don’t know it yet. And all of us who aren’t in a major city are just hoping it ain’t us.
This is unfortunately probably extremely accurate. I agree.
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DMB has been giving shows to brand new venues for years, I assume mainly due to their huge connection to Live Nation / MusicToday / Coran Capshaw. They've played small new venues in B'ham, Huntsville, Southaven, JAX, etc. Looks like PJ doing the same, Austin Moody Center opened a year ago, Dickies opened NOV 2019 just before COVID hit. Every venue has it's own P/L and new venues need big sellout shows to be profitable asap.
As long as they don’t go the DMB route and play new, 7,000 seat places (Live Oak - Wilmington, NC) and have them sell out in seconds to the scalper market.
Weird bits of routing cherry-picked out of an extensive tour aren't going to compare with MN-IL-IN-TX then go home. That it is a twelve hour drive is part of the weirdness. That there appear to only appear to be 9 shows is part of the weirdness. That those nine shows are in only four states is part of the weirdness.
Only 9 shows, if true, after 4 of the last 6 years featured zero headline shows (or a couple festivals) is weird
At this point, they might as well start labeling every tour Farewell Part 1, 2 etc. because it’s going to take them forever to see all their fans/markets one more time.
Some of those markets are never gonna see them again, they just don’t know it yet. And all of us who aren’t in a major city are just hoping it ain’t us.
Boise, Tulsa, Albuquerque, Mansfield, Champaign, and probably the VAST majority of the 2000/2003 mega tours.
(TBH, Mansfield is close enough to Boston they don't really count, but I wonder if Hartford is done...then again, they're close enough to Boston as well.)
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DMB has been giving shows to brand new venues for years, I assume mainly due to their huge connection to Live Nation / MusicToday / Coran Capshaw. They've played small new venues in B'ham, Huntsville, Southaven, JAX, etc. Looks like PJ doing the same, Austin Moody Center opened a year ago, Dickies opened NOV 2019 just before COVID hit. Every venue has it's own P/L and new venues need big sellout shows to be profitable asap.
As long as they don’t go the DMB route and play new, 7,000 seat places (Live Oak - Wilmington, NC) and have them sell out in seconds to the scalper market.
If Pearl Jam does what they did for the 2022 tour, they shouldn't be too worried about scalpers.
1) Digital tickets only. 2) The only way to transfer is via Fan2Fan. 3) Do whatever The Cure did to restrict people selling TM passwords.
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This list seems really odd to me. 2 nights in cities that aren't as big as ones that got just 1 last year?
If this truly is all there is, it will be one of the strangest tours they have ever played.
Not really. There are just no east coast dates and the band is finally taking care of Texas after neglecting us for so long.
9 shows in 5 cities would be an odd tour regardless of geography
During their 2006 tour, they did 10 shows in 6 cities
And 6 of those shows were opening for Tom Petty
I wonder who Pearl Jam will be opening for on this tour?
PJ's grown in stature since then. They won't open for anyone save a McCartney/Starr quasi-Beatles tour. Maybe Neil, out of respect. That's about it.
I don’t wanna derail the thread (lol). But if Tom were still around, you better believe Pearl Jam would not be above co-headlining or opening for him.
Oh, absolutely. Tom was an American treasure. I still haven't gotten over him not being here. Or Prince. Or Bowie. Or Chris.
But PJ is in rarified & sacred air by this point. I can't think of a single act other than the ones I mentioned where they'd open.
PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 &05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01& 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18& 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16& 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II. Michael Jordan's #!
EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, all of Vitalogy or Satan's Bed, Gremmie Out Of Control, Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways (full band), You Are (thank you, Vegas!), Bu$hleaguer, Inside Job (Vegas!), low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Of The Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Comfortably Numb, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08 ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
DMB has been giving shows to brand new venues for years, I assume mainly due to their huge connection to Live Nation / MusicToday / Coran Capshaw. They've played small new venues in B'ham, Huntsville, Southaven, JAX, etc. Looks like PJ doing the same, Austin Moody Center opened a year ago, Dickies opened NOV 2019 just before COVID hit. Every venue has it's own P/L and new venues need big sellout shows to be profitable asap.
As long as they don’t go the DMB route and play new, 7,000 seat places (Live Oak - Wilmington, NC) and have them sell out in seconds to the scalper market.
If Pearl Jam does what they did for the 2022 tour, they shouldn't be too worried about scalpers.
1) Digital tickets only. 2) The only way to transfer is via Fan2Fan. 3) Do whatever The Cure did to restrict people selling TM passwords.
DMB has been giving shows to brand new venues for years, I assume mainly due to their huge connection to Live Nation / MusicToday / Coran Capshaw. They've played small new venues in B'ham, Huntsville, Southaven, JAX, etc. Looks like PJ doing the same, Austin Moody Center opened a year ago, Dickies opened NOV 2019 just before COVID hit. Every venue has it's own P/L and new venues need big sellout shows to be profitable asap.
As long as they don’t go the DMB route and play new, 7,000 seat places (Live Oak - Wilmington, NC) and have them sell out in seconds to the scalper market.
If Pearl Jam does what they did for the 2022 tour, they shouldn't be too worried about scalpers.
1) Digital tickets only. 2) The only way to transfer is via Fan2Fan. 3) Do whatever The Cure did to restrict people selling TM passwords.
What was done?
I'm curious too, because as long as you know the password, you can download the tickets into your wallet on the phone (like Google wallet). Once you do that you don't even need the password anymore. So you could get someone to login, download the tickets, then change the password. Bit of kryptonite in the process.
Wonder if COVID bubbles are playing into it. They don’t like living in a bubble for too long. Multiple shows minimizes travel from city to city. Shorter tour, maybe less insurance.
I don’t know.
I’ve been curious about exactly this for a while too. And what restrictions, if any, there still are.
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Wonder if COVID bubbles are playing into it. They don’t like living in a bubble for too long. Multiple shows minimizes travel from city to city. Shorter tour, maybe less insurance.
I don’t know.
I’ve been curious about exactly this for a while too. And what restrictions, if any, there still are.
DMB has been giving shows to brand new venues for years, I assume mainly due to their huge connection to Live Nation / MusicToday / Coran Capshaw. They've played small new venues in B'ham, Huntsville, Southaven, JAX, etc. Looks like PJ doing the same, Austin Moody Center opened a year ago, Dickies opened NOV 2019 just before COVID hit. Every venue has it's own P/L and new venues need big sellout shows to be profitable asap.
As long as they don’t go the DMB route and play new, 7,000 seat places (Live Oak - Wilmington, NC) and have them sell out in seconds to the scalper market.
If Pearl Jam does what they did for the 2022 tour, they shouldn't be too worried about scalpers.
1) Digital tickets only. 2) The only way to transfer is via Fan2Fan. 3) Do whatever The Cure did to restrict people selling TM passwords.
What was done?
I'm curious too, because as long as you know the password, you can download the tickets into your wallet on the phone (like Google wallet). Once you do that you don't even need the password anymore. So you could get someone to login, download the tickets, then change the password. Bit of kryptonite in the process.
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One glitch in the TM system and I wonder if it’s done intentionally by TM is that when you win Ten Club tickets you get an email from TM with a link to claim them. The tickets will then go into whatever TM account is signed in on the device at the time when you click the link. So one person can win them and forward the email to someone else to claim. So they’re never really transferred but someone else is able to claim them from the get go. I wonder why they don’t just go directly to your account like every other set of tickets I buy on TM. Feels like a loophole left there purposely by TM for scalpers.
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One glitch in the TM system and I wonder if it’s done intentionally by TM is that when you win Ten Club tickets you get an email from TM with a link to claim them. The tickets will then go into whatever TM account is signed in on the device at the time when you click the link. So one person can win them and forward the email to someone else to claim. So they’re never really transferred but someone else is able to claim them from the get go. I wonder why they don’t just go directly to your account like every other set of tickets I buy on TM. Feels like a loophole left there purposely by TM for scalpers.
So scalper sells the email? Is that how that would work?
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One glitch in the TM system and I wonder if it’s done intentionally by TM is that when you win Ten Club tickets you get an email from TM with a link to claim them. The tickets will then go into whatever TM account is signed in on the device at the time when you click the link. So one person can win them and forward the email to someone else to claim. So they’re never really transferred but someone else is able to claim them from the get go. I wonder why they don’t just go directly to your account like every other set of tickets I buy on TM. Feels like a loophole left there purposely by TM for scalpers.
So scalper sells the email? Is that how that would work?
Possibly. You would think if someone with another account tried to claim the tickets it wouldn’t work but it does.
1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore
DMB has been giving shows to brand new venues for years, I assume mainly due to their huge connection to Live Nation / MusicToday / Coran Capshaw. They've played small new venues in B'ham, Huntsville, Southaven, JAX, etc. Looks like PJ doing the same, Austin Moody Center opened a year ago, Dickies opened NOV 2019 just before COVID hit. Every venue has it's own P/L and new venues need big sellout shows to be profitable asap.
As long as they don’t go the DMB route and play new, 7,000 seat places (Live Oak - Wilmington, NC) and have them sell out in seconds to the scalper market.
If Pearl Jam does what they did for the 2022 tour, they shouldn't be too worried about scalpers.
1) Digital tickets only. 2) The only way to transfer is via Fan2Fan. 3) Do whatever The Cure did to restrict people selling TM passwords.
What was done?
The Cure canceled tickets, but there is NO WAY anyone can stop selling TM passwords.
Weird bits of routing cherry-picked out of an extensive tour aren't going to compare with MN-IL-IN-TX then go home. That it is a twelve hour drive is part of the weirdness. That there appear to only appear to be 9 shows is part of the weirdness. That those nine shows are in only four states is part of the weirdness.
Only 9 shows, if true, after 4 of the last 6 years featured zero headline shows (or a couple festivals) is weird
At this point, they might as well start labeling every tour Farewell Part 1, 2 etc. because it’s going to take them forever to see all their fans/markets one more time.
Some of those markets are never gonna see them again, they just don’t know it yet. And all of us who aren’t in a major city are just hoping it ain’t us.
This is unfortunately probably extremely accurate. I agree.
Weird bits of routing cherry-picked out of an extensive tour aren't going to compare with MN-IL-IN-TX then go home. That it is a twelve hour drive is part of the weirdness. That there appear to only appear to be 9 shows is part of the weirdness. That those nine shows are in only four states is part of the weirdness.
Only 9 shows, if true, after 4 of the last 6 years featured zero headline shows (or a couple festivals) is weird
At this point, they might as well start labeling every tour Farewell Part 1, 2 etc. because it’s going to take them forever to see all their fans/markets one more time.
Some of those markets are never gonna see them again, they just don’t know it yet. And all of us who aren’t in a major city are just hoping it ain’t us.
This is unfortunately probably extremely accurate. I agree.
Would be interesting if all the gaps and off days are on account of an older, legendary co-headliner
Such as U2 perhaps? Cause based off the fact that dates haven’t even been announced yet for their SPHERE shows, i could see them just waiting til 2024 for those shows an do them with Larry.
Wonder if COVID bubbles are playing into it. They don’t like living in a bubble for too long. Multiple shows minimizes travel from city to city. Shorter tour, maybe less insurance.
Nothing not already "known" and nothing past the second Austin show so far...
MGM Grand Arena is open the week in between Austin and Ohana.
Don't tease.
What about the Golden 1 Center?
They've got events on the 23rd and 27th.
As for Vegas though, I'd love to see them at the new MSG Sphere, but I don't think it'll be ready by then.
It wont be ready, U2 hasn’t even announced the dates yet of their shows yet cause they don’t even know if construction will be done by September
Opening October 6th for the Postcard from Earth 'movie' that was made for the sphere. Tickets already on sale via ticketmaster, but no official date for U2 yet. Sounds like the whole concept is struggling to find acts that want to invest in the process of making a show for the sphere's screens.
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I agree.
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10.03.04 Grand Rapids
10.05.05 Chicago
05.16.06 Chicago | 05.17.06 Chicago | 06.29.06 Milwaukee
08.02.07 Chicago | 08.05.07 Chicago
08.23.09 Chicago | 08.24.09 Chicago
05.07.10 Noblesville | 05.09.10 Cleveland
09.03.11 Alpine Valley | 09.04.11 Alpine Valley
07.19.13 Chicago
10.17.14 Moline
08.20.16 Chicago
08.18.18 Chicago
09.18.22 St. Louis
09.05.23 Chicago
Boise, Tulsa, Albuquerque, Mansfield, Champaign, and probably the VAST majority of the 2000/2003 mega tours.
(TBH, Mansfield is close enough to Boston they don't really count, but I wonder if Hartford is done...then again, they're close enough to Boston as well.)
If Pearl Jam does what they did for the 2022 tour, they shouldn't be too worried about scalpers.
1) Digital tickets only.
2) The only way to transfer is via Fan2Fan.
3) Do whatever The Cure did to restrict people selling TM passwords.
But PJ is in rarified & sacred air by this point. I can't think of a single act other than the ones I mentioned where they'd open.
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, all of Vitalogy or Satan's Bed, Gremmie Out Of Control, Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways (full band), You Are (thank you, Vegas!), Bu$hleaguer, Inside Job (Vegas!), low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Of The Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Comfortably Numb, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
Mansfield '08
Hartford '10
Worcester, Hartford '13
Global Citizen, NY '15
Approx 7k tickets were canceled.
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A lot (all?) of the arenas have downsizing capacity. The stage could be directly at midcourt/center ice. The upper level(s) don't have to be sold.
If tickets continue to sell, the upper levels could be opened up if necessary.
But even then, you might as well just use a theater.