Still mad I missed the beginning of Band of Horses set because they wouldn't let us in because of the tornado warning. So I had to go wait it out in my tent across the street........how was that better than entering the show?? Well.........I guess the beer cost was way less.
My guess: Liability if you got zapped on their property vs being on your own.
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Still mad I missed the beginning of Band of Horses set because they wouldn't let us in because of the tornado warning. So I had to go wait it out in my tent across the street........how was that better than entering the show?? Well.........I guess the beer cost was way less.
My guess: Liability if you got zapped on their property vs being on your own.
Sounds reasonable
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06.27.98 Alpine Valley 10.08.00 Alpine Valley 09.23.02 Chicago 06.18.03 Chicago | 06.21.03 Alpine Valley 10.03.04 Grand Rapids 10.05.05 Chicago 05.16.06 Chicago | 05.17.06 Chicago | 06.29.06 Milwaukee 08.02.07 Chicago | 08.05.07 Chicago 08.23.09 Chicago | 08.24.09 Chicago 05.07.10 Noblesville | 05.09.10 Cleveland 09.03.11 Alpine Valley | 09.04.11 Alpine Valley 07.19.13 Chicago 10.17.14 Moline 08.20.16 Chicago 08.18.18 Chicago 09.18.22 St. Louis 09.05.23 Chicago
Chicago, Minneapolis, Milwaukee, Madison all had dates in Sept 2020. It was speculated there was also a date in Pittsburgh, Philly, Ohio and even down to Florida.
I think the Chicago holds we’re for Sept 11/12 or 10/11 in 2020.
2003 - June 15 Fargo 2005 - Sept 1 George, Sept 8 Winnipeg 2006 - May 9/10 Toronto, June 26/27 St. Paul, July 22/23 George, Oct 21/22 Mountain View 2007 - Aug 2/5 Chicago 2008 - June 22 Washington, June 24/25 New York 2009 - Aug 21 Toronto, Aug 23/24 Chicago, Sept 21/22 Seattle, Oct 27/28/30/31 Philadelphia 2010 - May 15 Hartford, May 17 Boston, Oct 23/24 Mountain View 2011 - Sept 3/4 Alpine Valley, Sept 11/12 Toronto, Sept 17 Winnipeg, Sept 19 Saskatoon 2012 - Sept 30 Missoula 2013 - July 16 London, July 19 Chicago, Oct 12 Buffalo, Dec 2 Calgary, Dec 4 Vancouver, Dec 6 Seattle 2014 - Oct 16 Detroit, Oct 19 St. Paul, Oct 20 Milwaukee 2015 - Sept 23 (Colbert)/Sept 26, New York 2016 - Apr 28/29 Philadelphia, May 10/12 Toronto, Aug 20/22 Chicago
Is it possible these cities were previously targeted as part of a larger Gigaton tour 2020/2021, preCovid? And they're catching up now? Feels like they plug in well with Leg 2 last year.
I’ve seen this theory before but a 2nd leg in 2020 would have been election-year themed: Swing states (Ohio, Penn, Michigan, Wisconsin, etc), prob Missoula to stump for Jon Tester, places like that. If next year is indeed a new album tour those places make more sense then when it’s election time again.
That could still mean the same. And b/c of COVID and now like you said 2024, they'll hit those up next year.
Mansfield 6/30/08 - Wrigley Field 7/14/13 - Worcester I 10/15/13 - Global Citizen 9/26/15 - MSG II 5/2/16 - Fenway I 8/5/16 - Fenway II 8/7/16 - Fenway II 9/4/18 - LA I 5/6/22 - LA II 5/7/22 - MSG 9/11/22 - Nashville 9/16/22 - St. Paul I and II 8/31/23-9/2/23
Is it possible these cities were previously targeted as part of a larger Gigaton tour 2020/2021, preCovid? And they're catching up now? Feels like they plug in well with Leg 2 last year.
I’ve seen this theory before but a 2nd leg in 2020 would have been election-year themed: Swing states (Ohio, Penn, Michigan, Wisconsin, etc), prob Missoula to stump for Jon Tester, places like that. If next year is indeed a new album tour those places make more sense then when it’s election time again.
Chicago, United Center, was on the list for 2nd leg in 2020. I had confirmation from same person in box office that gave me the September 5th and 7th dates this year.
Fair enough, I’m certain they would have hit Chicago. But I doubt this is the same overall itinerary, just a couple overlaps. Their election year routing is one of the few touring details that is still pretty predictable
Not really. I posted this many, many, many pages ago.
Second halves of recent election years:
2022 - A short run of September shows, done by October 2020 - Supposedly there were plans, but nothing was ever announced and it was wiped out by COVID 2018 - A few summer shows, done by September 2016 - A few summer shows, done by September 2014 - An October run of shows 2012
- Three September festivals, a Jon Tester benefit in Missoula, and an
Oracle secret show in early October - Ed on the road in November and
early December making up shows originally scheduled for May 2010 - Two Bridge School dates in late October 2008 - No Pearl Jam shows, Ed on the road in August
I will say, although there had been no real rumors, I'm honestly surprised that (it appears) they really aren't playing Alpine over Labor Day Weekend. Everything seemed to make sense. They played PJ20 at Alpine over Labor Day. They had that possible gap between St Paul and Chicago over Labor Day. St Paul really has never seemed to me like a 2-show market. Alpine has been promising more to come, despite the fact that they still only have one show scheduled for the entire year. Plus, we also had someone here claiming one of the slides in the April Fools video was a shot from Alpine.
I guess it was all just wishful thinking on my part.
This list seems really odd to me. 2 nights in cities that aren't as big as ones that got just 1 last year?
If this truly is all there is, it will be one of the strangest tours they have ever played.
Not really. There are just no east coast dates and the band is finally taking care of Texas after neglecting us for so long.
9 shows in 5 cities would be an odd tour regardless of geography
During their 2006 tour, they did 10 shows in 6 cities
And 6 of those shows were opening for Tom Petty
I wonder who Pearl Jam will be opening for on this tour?
WI 6/27/98 WI 10/8/00 MO 10/11/00 IL 4/23/03 MN 6/26/06 MN 6/27/06 WI 6/30/06 IL 8/5/07 IL 8/21/08 (EV) IL 8/22/08 (EV) IL 8/23/09 IL 8/24/09 IN 5/7/10 IL 6/28/11 (EV) IL 6/29/11 (EV) WI 9/3/11 WI 9/4/11 IL 7/19/13 NE 10/09/14 IL 10/17/14 MN 10/19/14 FL 4/11/16 IL 8/20/16 IL 8/22/16 IL 08/18/18 IL 08/20/18 IT 07/05/2020AT 07/07/2020
I will say, although there had been no real rumors, I'm honestly surprised that (it appears) they really aren't playing Alpine over Labor Day Weekend. Everything seemed to make sense. They played PJ20 at Alpine over Labor Day. They had that possible gap between St Paul and Chicago over Labor Day. St Paul really has never seemed to me like a 2-show market. Alpine has been promising more to come, despite the fact that they still only have one show scheduled for the entire year. Plus, we also had someone here claiming one of the slides in the April Fools video was a shot from Alpine.
I guess it was all just wishful thinking on my part.
I'm with you, I live in the Milwaukee area and Alpine has been ticking me off for a good decade now...it's such a fantastic music venue, I just do not understand why they don't book more acts, and it's gotten even worse since Live Nation has taken over. Way back in college I worked security there (basically to see free shows) and I still get pleading emails from them looking for part time workers for the season, but like for what? Literally one show scheduled right now for the whole season, no wonder they can't find even college kids to help out with parking, vending, etc., it would literally be 8 hours of work for the entire season as it stands.
Is it possible these cities were previously targeted as part of a larger Gigaton tour 2020/2021, preCovid? And they're catching up now? Feels like they plug in well with Leg 2 last year.
I’ve seen this theory before but a 2nd leg in 2020 would have been election-year themed: Swing states (Ohio, Penn, Michigan, Wisconsin, etc), prob Missoula to stump for Jon Tester, places like that. If next year is indeed a new album tour those places make more sense then when it’s election time again.
Chicago, United Center, was on the list for 2nd leg in 2020. I had confirmation from same person in box office that gave me the September 5th and 7th dates this year.
Fair enough, I’m certain they would have hit Chicago. But I doubt this is the same overall itinerary, just a couple overlaps. Their election year routing is one of the few touring details that is still pretty predictable
Not really. I posted this many, many, many pages ago.
Second halves of recent election years:
2022 - A short run of September shows, done by October 2020 - Supposedly there were plans, but nothing was ever announced and it was wiped out by COVID 2018 - A few summer shows, done by September 2016 - A few summer shows, done by September 2014 - An October run of shows 2012
- Three September festivals, a Jon Tester benefit in Missoula, and an
Oracle secret show in early October - Ed on the road in November and
early December making up shows originally scheduled for May 2010 - Two Bridge School dates in late October 2008 - No Pearl Jam shows, Ed on the road in August
Yeah, it’s strange that this idea persists when the only real time a tour was geared around an election was VFC 2004. It’s usually just a show here or there like Missoula 18.
Is it possible these cities were previously targeted as part of a larger Gigaton tour 2020/2021, preCovid? And they're catching up now? Feels like they plug in well with Leg 2 last year.
I’ve seen this theory before but a 2nd leg in 2020 would have been election-year themed: Swing states (Ohio, Penn, Michigan, Wisconsin, etc), prob Missoula to stump for Jon Tester, places like that. If next year is indeed a new album tour those places make more sense then when it’s election time again.
Chicago, United Center, was on the list for 2nd leg in 2020. I had confirmation from same person in box office that gave me the September 5th and 7th dates this year.
Fair enough, I’m certain they would have hit Chicago. But I doubt this is the same overall itinerary, just a couple overlaps. Their election year routing is one of the few touring details that is still pretty predictable
Not really. I posted this many, many, many pages ago.
Second halves of recent election years:
2022 - A short run of September shows, done by October 2020 - Supposedly there were plans, but nothing was ever announced and it was wiped out by COVID 2018 - A few summer shows, done by September 2016 - A few summer shows, done by September 2014 - An October run of shows 2012
- Three September festivals, a Jon Tester benefit in Missoula, and an
Oracle secret show in early October - Ed on the road in November and
early December making up shows originally scheduled for May 2010 - Two Bridge School dates in late October 2008 - No Pearl Jam shows, Ed on the road in August
Ok I stand corrected. But the routing actually confuses me more in that case.
This list seems really odd to me. 2 nights in cities that aren't as big as ones that got just 1 last year?
If this truly is all there is, it will be one of the strangest tours they have ever played.
Not really. There are just no east coast dates and the band is finally taking care of Texas after neglecting us for so long.
9 shows in 5 cities would be an odd tour regardless of geography
During their 2006 tour, they did 10 shows in 6 cities
And 6 of those shows were opening for Tom Petty
I wonder who Pearl Jam will be opening for on this tour?
PJ's grown in stature since then. They won't open for anyone save a McCartney/Starr quasi-Beatles tour. Maybe Neil, out of respect. That's about it.
PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 &05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01& 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18& 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16& 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II. Michael Jordan's #!
EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, all of Vitalogy or Satan's Bed, Gremmie Out Of Control, Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways (full band), You Are (thank you, Vegas!), Bu$hleaguer, Inside Job (Vegas!), low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Of The Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Comfortably Numb, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08 ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
Is it possible these cities were previously targeted as part of a larger Gigaton tour 2020/2021, preCovid? And they're catching up now? Feels like they plug in well with Leg 2 last year.
I’ve seen this theory before but a 2nd leg in 2020 would have been election-year themed: Swing states (Ohio, Penn, Michigan, Wisconsin, etc), prob Missoula to stump for Jon Tester, places like that. If next year is indeed a new album tour those places make more sense then when it’s election time again.
Chicago, United Center, was on the list for 2nd leg in 2020. I had confirmation from same person in box office that gave me the September 5th and 7th dates this year.
Fair enough, I’m certain they would have hit Chicago. But I doubt this is the same overall itinerary, just a couple overlaps. Their election year routing is one of the few touring details that is still pretty predictable
Not really. I posted this many, many, many pages ago.
Second halves of recent election years:
2022 - A short run of September shows, done by October 2020 - Supposedly there were plans, but nothing was ever announced and it was wiped out by COVID 2018 - A few summer shows, done by September 2016 - A few summer shows, done by September 2014 - An October run of shows 2012
- Three September festivals, a Jon Tester benefit in Missoula, and an
Oracle secret show in early October - Ed on the road in November and
early December making up shows originally scheduled for May 2010 - Two Bridge School dates in late October 2008 - No Pearl Jam shows, Ed on the road in August
Ok I stand corrected. But the routing actually confuses me more in that case.
It is really not the odd, frankly for them, this is almost too precise given their tours usually have a couple of weird jags.
But playing two nights in the same city and moving in what appears to be a normal linear fashion is really quite efficient given their passed one and done approach often.
There crew are no spring chickens and neither are they, so barring something unusual in their planning they probably have their setup rigged in St Paul at the excel by 8.29, if not earlier, soundcheck on 8.30, show day, off day, show day, breakdown on 9.3 and off to Chicago. Rig up by morning of 9.5, show day, off day, show day, breakdown on 9.8 and off to Indianapolis - so on an so forth.
Is it possible these cities were previously targeted as part of a larger Gigaton tour 2020/2021, preCovid? And they're catching up now? Feels like they plug in well with Leg 2 last year.
I’ve seen this theory before but a 2nd leg in 2020 would have been election-year themed: Swing states (Ohio, Penn, Michigan, Wisconsin, etc), prob Missoula to stump for Jon Tester, places like that. If next year is indeed a new album tour those places make more sense then when it’s election time again.
Chicago, United Center, was on the list for 2nd leg in 2020. I had confirmation from same person in box office that gave me the September 5th and 7th dates this year.
Fair enough, I’m certain they would have hit Chicago. But I doubt this is the same overall itinerary, just a couple overlaps. Their election year routing is one of the few touring details that is still pretty predictable
Not really. I posted this many, many, many pages ago.
Second halves of recent election years:
2022 - A short run of September shows, done by October 2020 - Supposedly there were plans, but nothing was ever announced and it was wiped out by COVID 2018 - A few summer shows, done by September 2016 - A few summer shows, done by September 2014 - An October run of shows 2012
- Three September festivals, a Jon Tester benefit in Missoula, and an
Oracle secret show in early October - Ed on the road in November and
early December making up shows originally scheduled for May 2010 - Two Bridge School dates in late October 2008 - No Pearl Jam shows, Ed on the road in August
Ok I stand corrected. But the routing actually confuses me more in that case.
It is really not the odd, frankly for them, this is almost too precise given their tours usually have a couple of weird jags.
But playing two nights in the same city and moving in what appears to be a normal linear fashion is really quite efficient given their passed one and done approach often.
There crew are no spring chickens and neither are they, so barring something unusual in their planning they probably have their setup rigged in St Paul at the excel by 8.29, if not earlier, soundcheck on 8.30, show day, off day, show day, breakdown on 9.3 and off to Chicago. Rig up by morning of 9.5, show day, off day, show day, breakdown on 9.8 and off to Indianapolis - so on an so forth.
But from Indiana they go to Texas? That's weird routing.
Is it possible these cities were previously targeted as part of a larger Gigaton tour 2020/2021, preCovid? And they're catching up now? Feels like they plug in well with Leg 2 last year.
I’ve seen this theory before but a 2nd leg in 2020 would have been election-year themed: Swing states (Ohio, Penn, Michigan, Wisconsin, etc), prob Missoula to stump for Jon Tester, places like that. If next year is indeed a new album tour those places make more sense then when it’s election time again.
Chicago, United Center, was on the list for 2nd leg in 2020. I had confirmation from same person in box office that gave me the September 5th and 7th dates this year.
Fair enough, I’m certain they would have hit Chicago. But I doubt this is the same overall itinerary, just a couple overlaps. Their election year routing is one of the few touring details that is still pretty predictable
Not really. I posted this many, many, many pages ago.
Second halves of recent election years:
2022 - A short run of September shows, done by October 2020 - Supposedly there were plans, but nothing was ever announced and it was wiped out by COVID 2018 - A few summer shows, done by September 2016 - A few summer shows, done by September 2014 - An October run of shows 2012
- Three September festivals, a Jon Tester benefit in Missoula, and an
Oracle secret show in early October - Ed on the road in November and
early December making up shows originally scheduled for May 2010 - Two Bridge School dates in late October 2008 - No Pearl Jam shows, Ed on the road in August
Ok I stand corrected. But the routing actually confuses me more in that case.
It is really not the odd, frankly for them, this is almost too precise given their tours usually have a couple of weird jags.
But playing two nights in the same city and moving in what appears to be a normal linear fashion is really quite efficient given their passed one and done approach often.
There crew are no spring chickens and neither are they, so barring something unusual in their planning they probably have their setup rigged in St Paul at the excel by 8.29, if not earlier, soundcheck on 8.30, show day, off day, show day, breakdown on 9.3 and off to Chicago. Rig up by morning of 9.5, show day, off day, show day, breakdown on 9.8 and off to Indianapolis - so on an so forth.
But from Indiana they go to Texas? That's weird routing.
Better than 2009 when they played 2 in LA then came to Austin before heading back to LA for 2 more shows. They’ve always toured strangely.
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
Is it possible these cities were previously targeted as part of a larger Gigaton tour 2020/2021, preCovid? And they're catching up now? Feels like they plug in well with Leg 2 last year.
I’ve seen this theory before but a 2nd leg in 2020 would have been election-year themed: Swing states (Ohio, Penn, Michigan, Wisconsin, etc), prob Missoula to stump for Jon Tester, places like that. If next year is indeed a new album tour those places make more sense then when it’s election time again.
Chicago, United Center, was on the list for 2nd leg in 2020. I had confirmation from same person in box office that gave me the September 5th and 7th dates this year.
Fair enough, I’m certain they would have hit Chicago. But I doubt this is the same overall itinerary, just a couple overlaps. Their election year routing is one of the few touring details that is still pretty predictable
Not really. I posted this many, many, many pages ago.
Second halves of recent election years:
2022 - A short run of September shows, done by October 2020 - Supposedly there were plans, but nothing was ever announced and it was wiped out by COVID 2018 - A few summer shows, done by September 2016 - A few summer shows, done by September 2014 - An October run of shows 2012
- Three September festivals, a Jon Tester benefit in Missoula, and an
Oracle secret show in early October - Ed on the road in November and
early December making up shows originally scheduled for May 2010 - Two Bridge School dates in late October 2008 - No Pearl Jam shows, Ed on the road in August
Ok I stand corrected. But the routing actually confuses me more in that case.
It is really not the odd, frankly for them, this is almost too precise given their tours usually have a couple of weird jags.
But playing two nights in the same city and moving in what appears to be a normal linear fashion is really quite efficient given their passed one and done approach often.
There crew are no spring chickens and neither are they, so barring something unusual in their planning they probably have their setup rigged in St Paul at the excel by 8.29, if not earlier, soundcheck on 8.30, show day, off day, show day, breakdown on 9.3 and off to Chicago. Rig up by morning of 9.5, show day, off day, show day, breakdown on 9.8 and off to Indianapolis - so on an so forth.
But from Indiana they go to Texas? That's weird routing.
Better than 2009 when they played 2 in LA then came to Austin before heading back to LA for 2 more shows. They’ve always toured strangely.
Is it possible these cities were previously targeted as part of a larger Gigaton tour 2020/2021, preCovid? And they're catching up now? Feels like they plug in well with Leg 2 last year.
I’ve seen this theory before but a 2nd leg in 2020 would have been election-year themed: Swing states (Ohio, Penn, Michigan, Wisconsin, etc), prob Missoula to stump for Jon Tester, places like that. If next year is indeed a new album tour those places make more sense then when it’s election time again.
Chicago, United Center, was on the list for 2nd leg in 2020. I had confirmation from same person in box office that gave me the September 5th and 7th dates this year.
Fair enough, I’m certain they would have hit Chicago. But I doubt this is the same overall itinerary, just a couple overlaps. Their election year routing is one of the few touring details that is still pretty predictable
Not really. I posted this many, many, many pages ago.
Second halves of recent election years:
2022 - A short run of September shows, done by October 2020 - Supposedly there were plans, but nothing was ever announced and it was wiped out by COVID 2018 - A few summer shows, done by September 2016 - A few summer shows, done by September 2014 - An October run of shows 2012
- Three September festivals, a Jon Tester benefit in Missoula, and an
Oracle secret show in early October - Ed on the road in November and
early December making up shows originally scheduled for May 2010 - Two Bridge School dates in late October 2008 - No Pearl Jam shows, Ed on the road in August
Ok I stand corrected. But the routing actually confuses me more in that case.
It is really not the odd, frankly for them, this is almost too precise given their tours usually have a couple of weird jags.
But playing two nights in the same city and moving in what appears to be a normal linear fashion is really quite efficient given their passed one and done approach often.
There crew are no spring chickens and neither are they, so barring something unusual in their planning they probably have their setup rigged in St Paul at the excel by 8.29, if not earlier, soundcheck on 8.30, show day, off day, show day, breakdown on 9.3 and off to Chicago. Rig up by morning of 9.5, show day, off day, show day, breakdown on 9.8 and off to Indianapolis - so on an so forth.
But from Indiana they go to Texas? That's weird routing.
Why? It is a 12 hour drive. And if those are the dates that they can get back to back shows with a day off in between at venue for Ft Worth and Austin it makes sense.
Is it possible these cities were previously targeted as part of a larger Gigaton tour 2020/2021, preCovid? And they're catching up now? Feels like they plug in well with Leg 2 last year.
I’ve seen this theory before but a 2nd leg in 2020 would have been election-year themed: Swing states (Ohio, Penn, Michigan, Wisconsin, etc), prob Missoula to stump for Jon Tester, places like that. If next year is indeed a new album tour those places make more sense then when it’s election time again.
Chicago, United Center, was on the list for 2nd leg in 2020. I had confirmation from same person in box office that gave me the September 5th and 7th dates this year.
Fair enough, I’m certain they would have hit Chicago. But I doubt this is the same overall itinerary, just a couple overlaps. Their election year routing is one of the few touring details that is still pretty predictable
Not really. I posted this many, many, many pages ago.
Second halves of recent election years:
2022 - A short run of September shows, done by October 2020 - Supposedly there were plans, but nothing was ever announced and it was wiped out by COVID 2018 - A few summer shows, done by September 2016 - A few summer shows, done by September 2014 - An October run of shows 2012
- Three September festivals, a Jon Tester benefit in Missoula, and an
Oracle secret show in early October - Ed on the road in November and
early December making up shows originally scheduled for May 2010 - Two Bridge School dates in late October 2008 - No Pearl Jam shows, Ed on the road in August
Ok I stand corrected. But the routing actually confuses me more in that case.
It is really not the odd, frankly for them, this is almost too precise given their tours usually have a couple of weird jags.
But playing two nights in the same city and moving in what appears to be a normal linear fashion is really quite efficient given their passed one and done approach often.
There crew are no spring chickens and neither are they, so barring something unusual in their planning they probably have their setup rigged in St Paul at the excel by 8.29, if not earlier, soundcheck on 8.30, show day, off day, show day, breakdown on 9.3 and off to Chicago. Rig up by morning of 9.5, show day, off day, show day, breakdown on 9.8 and off to Indianapolis - so on an so forth.
But from Indiana they go to Texas? That's weird routing.
Better than 2009 when they played 2 in LA then came to Austin before heading back to LA for 2 more shows. They’ve always toured strangely.
Weird routing is 2003 - draw a map for this one 4.26, 4.28, 4.29, 4.30, 5.2 and 5.3
Is it possible these cities were previously targeted as part of a larger Gigaton tour 2020/2021, preCovid? And they're catching up now? Feels like they plug in well with Leg 2 last year.
I’ve seen this theory before but a 2nd leg in 2020 would have been election-year themed: Swing states (Ohio, Penn, Michigan, Wisconsin, etc), prob Missoula to stump for Jon Tester, places like that. If next year is indeed a new album tour those places make more sense then when it’s election time again.
Chicago, United Center, was on the list for 2nd leg in 2020. I had confirmation from same person in box office that gave me the September 5th and 7th dates this year.
Fair enough, I’m certain they would have hit Chicago. But I doubt this is the same overall itinerary, just a couple overlaps. Their election year routing is one of the few touring details that is still pretty predictable
Not really. I posted this many, many, many pages ago.
Second halves of recent election years:
2022 - A short run of September shows, done by October 2020 - Supposedly there were plans, but nothing was ever announced and it was wiped out by COVID 2018 - A few summer shows, done by September 2016 - A few summer shows, done by September 2014 - An October run of shows 2012
- Three September festivals, a Jon Tester benefit in Missoula, and an
Oracle secret show in early October - Ed on the road in November and
early December making up shows originally scheduled for May 2010 - Two Bridge School dates in late October 2008 - No Pearl Jam shows, Ed on the road in August
Ok I stand corrected. But the routing actually confuses me more in that case.
It is really not the odd, frankly for them, this is almost too precise given their tours usually have a couple of weird jags.
But playing two nights in the same city and moving in what appears to be a normal linear fashion is really quite efficient given their passed one and done approach often.
There crew are no spring chickens and neither are they, so barring something unusual in their planning they probably have their setup rigged in St Paul at the excel by 8.29, if not earlier, soundcheck on 8.30, show day, off day, show day, breakdown on 9.3 and off to Chicago. Rig up by morning of 9.5, show day, off day, show day, breakdown on 9.8 and off to Indianapolis - so on an so forth.
But from Indiana they go to Texas? That's weird routing.
Why? It is a 12 hour drive. And if those are the dates that they can get back to back shows with a day off in between at venue for Ft Worth and Austin it makes sense.
yeah it's kind of a straight shot down 81. Not many large cities in between (baltimore got screwed).
EDIT, my bad was taking about Camden to Nash
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Mansfield 6/30/08 - Wrigley Field 7/14/13 - Worcester I 10/15/13 - Global Citizen 9/26/15 - MSG II 5/2/16 - Fenway I 8/5/16 - Fenway II 8/7/16 - Fenway II 9/4/18 - LA I 5/6/22 - LA II 5/7/22 - MSG 9/11/22 - Nashville 9/16/22 - St. Paul I and II 8/31/23-9/2/23
Weird bits of routing cherry-picked out of an extensive tour aren't going to compare with MN-IL-IN-TX then go home. That it is a twelve hour drive is part of the weirdness. That there appear to only appear to be 9 shows is part of the weirdness. That those nine shows are in only four states is part of the weirdness.
This list seems really odd to me. 2 nights in cities that aren't as big as ones that got just 1 last year?
If this truly is all there is, it will be one of the strangest tours they have ever played.
Not really. There are just no east coast dates and the band is finally taking care of Texas after neglecting us for so long.
9 shows in 5 cities would be an odd tour regardless of geography
During their 2006 tour, they did 10 shows in 6 cities
And 6 of those shows were opening for Tom Petty
I wonder who Pearl Jam will be opening for on this tour?
PJ's grown in stature since then. They won't open for anyone save a McCartney/Starr quasi-Beatles tour. Maybe Neil, out of respect. That's about it.
By what metric (other than longevity)?
Album sales have been stable, at best.
Other side of the same coin - what big name act might be opening for Pearl Jam?
???? : Pearl Jam :: Pearl Jam : Tom Petty
WI 6/27/98 WI 10/8/00 MO 10/11/00 IL 4/23/03 MN 6/26/06 MN 6/27/06 WI 6/30/06 IL 8/5/07 IL 8/21/08 (EV) IL 8/22/08 (EV) IL 8/23/09 IL 8/24/09 IN 5/7/10 IL 6/28/11 (EV) IL 6/29/11 (EV) WI 9/3/11 WI 9/4/11 IL 7/19/13 NE 10/09/14 IL 10/17/14 MN 10/19/14 FL 4/11/16 IL 8/20/16 IL 8/22/16 IL 08/18/18 IL 08/20/18 IT 07/05/2020AT 07/07/2020
These locations have waited almost ten years (some more). It would be a bummer if we had to pay more money to see even less of PJ and an act we would be okay with at best.
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-Christopher Walken
you're=you are
your=showing ownership
The truth has a well known liberal bias.
-Stephen Colbert
Weird bits of routing cherry-picked out of an extensive tour aren't going to compare with MN-IL-IN-TX then go home. That it is a twelve hour drive is part of the weirdness. That there appear to only appear to be 9 shows is part of the weirdness. That those nine shows are in only four states is part of the weirdness.
Dude, they went from Seattle for 2 shows, to missoula for 1 show, to chicago for 2 shows, to Boston for 2 shows in 2018.
The point of the cherry picking is that routing matters, twenty years ago they could count on their crew to deal with the insanity of driving back and forth across destinations and overlapping because they did not have a choice if they wanted to play venue/city X based on availability.
In this instance, 9 shows is not a lot but it is far less taxing on their crew given the routing and approach. It is a linear trip in a fixed time frame with 4 cities getting 8 shows that cutting the setup and breakdown to a total of 5 times with Indianapolis in the mix.
This is the most normal thing they have done in a long time, last Septembers shows are pretty decent linear path, but the shows were tight, so their crew was on the move daily.
My guess is if this is real, it is a test run for how they might try to handle touring in their 60s.
Is it possible these cities were previously targeted as part of a larger Gigaton tour 2020/2021, preCovid? And they're catching up now? Feels like they plug in well with Leg 2 last year.
I’ve seen this theory before but a 2nd leg in 2020 would have been election-year themed: Swing states (Ohio, Penn, Michigan, Wisconsin, etc), prob Missoula to stump for Jon Tester, places like that. If next year is indeed a new album tour those places make more sense then when it’s election time again.
Chicago, United Center, was on the list for 2nd leg in 2020. I had confirmation from same person in box office that gave me the September 5th and 7th dates this year.
Fair enough, I’m certain they would have hit Chicago. But I doubt this is the same overall itinerary, just a couple overlaps. Their election year routing is one of the few touring details that is still pretty predictable
Not really. I posted this many, many, many pages ago.
Second halves of recent election years:
2022 - A short run of September shows, done by October 2020 - Supposedly there were plans, but nothing was ever announced and it was wiped out by COVID 2018 - A few summer shows, done by September 2016 - A few summer shows, done by September 2014 - An October run of shows 2012
- Three September festivals, a Jon Tester benefit in Missoula, and an
Oracle secret show in early October - Ed on the road in November and
early December making up shows originally scheduled for May 2010 - Two Bridge School dates in late October 2008 - No Pearl Jam shows, Ed on the road in August
Yeah, it’s strange that this idea persists when the only real time a tour was geared around an election was VFC 2004. It’s usually just a show here or there like Missoula 18.
They did a robust rock the vote in y2k, but in August.
It was very political, as Ed told us to vote for Nader. Great idea.
Weird bits of routing cherry-picked out of an extensive tour aren't going to compare with MN-IL-IN-TX then go home. That it is a twelve hour drive is part of the weirdness. That there appear to only appear to be 9 shows is part of the weirdness. That those nine shows are in only four states is part of the weirdness.
Only 9 shows, if true, after 4 of the last 6 years featured zero headline shows (or a couple festivals) is weird
At this point, they might as well start labeling every tour Farewell Part 1, 2 etc. because its going to take them forever to see all their fans/markets one more time.
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My guess: Liability if you got zapped on their property vs being on your own.
10.08.00 Alpine Valley
09.23.02 Chicago
06.18.03 Chicago | 06.21.03 Alpine Valley
10.03.04 Grand Rapids
10.05.05 Chicago
05.16.06 Chicago | 05.17.06 Chicago | 06.29.06 Milwaukee
08.02.07 Chicago | 08.05.07 Chicago
08.23.09 Chicago | 08.24.09 Chicago
05.07.10 Noblesville | 05.09.10 Cleveland
09.03.11 Alpine Valley | 09.04.11 Alpine Valley
07.19.13 Chicago
10.17.14 Moline
08.20.16 Chicago
08.18.18 Chicago
09.18.22 St. Louis
09.05.23 Chicago
2005 - Sept 1 George, Sept 8 Winnipeg
2006 - May 9/10 Toronto, June 26/27 St. Paul, July 22/23 George, Oct 21/22 Mountain View
2007 - Aug 2/5 Chicago
2008 - June 22 Washington, June 24/25 New York
2009 - Aug 21 Toronto, Aug 23/24 Chicago, Sept 21/22 Seattle, Oct 27/28/30/31 Philadelphia
2010 - May 15 Hartford, May 17 Boston, Oct 23/24 Mountain View
2011 - Sept 3/4 Alpine Valley, Sept 11/12 Toronto, Sept 17 Winnipeg, Sept 19 Saskatoon
2012 - Sept 30 Missoula
2013 - July 16 London, July 19 Chicago, Oct 12 Buffalo, Dec 2 Calgary, Dec 4 Vancouver, Dec 6 Seattle
2014 - Oct 16 Detroit, Oct 19 St. Paul, Oct 20 Milwaukee
2015 - Sept 23 (Colbert)/Sept 26, New York
2016 - Apr 28/29 Philadelphia, May 10/12 Toronto, Aug 20/22 Chicago
Well, Friday the 14th is off by one day.
Unfortunately, there's no Friday the 13th until October.
2022 - A short run of September shows, done by October
2020 - Supposedly there were plans, but nothing was ever announced and it was wiped out by COVID
2018 - A few summer shows, done by September
2016 - A few summer shows, done by September
2014 - An October run of shows
2012 - Three September festivals, a Jon Tester benefit in Missoula, and an Oracle secret show in early October - Ed on the road in November and early December making up shows originally scheduled for May
2010 - Two Bridge School dates in late October
2008 - No Pearl Jam shows, Ed on the road in August
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I guess it was all just wishful thinking on my part.
During their 2006 tour, they did 10 shows in 6 cities
And 6 of those shows were opening for Tom Petty
I wonder who Pearl Jam will be opening for on this tour?
98' - 6/26, 6/27, 6/29, 8/26, 9/22
03' - 4/25
06' - 6/29, 6/30
07' - 8/05
09' - 8/23
11' - 9/03, 9/04
12' - 9/30
13' - 7/16, 7/19, 10/21, 10/22, 11/15, 11/16, 12/06
14' - 06/28, 06/29, 10/1, 10/03, 10/16, 10/17, 10/20, 10/22
15' - 11/20, 11/22
16' - 4/21, 4/26, 4/28, 4/29, 5/1, 5/2, 7/9, 8/5, 8/7, 8/20, 8/22
17' - 4/7
18' - 7/1, 7/3, 7/5, 8/8, 8/10, 8/18, 8/20, 9/4
21' - 10/1, 10/2
22' - 7/12, 7/14, 9/6, 9/8
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, all of Vitalogy or Satan's Bed, Gremmie Out Of Control, Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways (full band), You Are (thank you, Vegas!), Bu$hleaguer, Inside Job (Vegas!), low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Of The Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Comfortably Numb, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
But playing two nights in the same city and moving in what appears to be a normal linear fashion is really quite efficient given their passed one and done approach often.
There crew are no spring chickens and neither are they, so barring something unusual in their planning they probably have their setup rigged in St Paul at the excel by 8.29, if not earlier, soundcheck on 8.30, show day, off day, show day, breakdown on 9.3 and off to Chicago. Rig up by morning of 9.5, show day, off day, show day, breakdown on 9.8 and off to Indianapolis - so on an so forth.
http://www.hi5sports.org/ (Sports Program for Kids with Disabilities)
http://www.livefootsteps.org/user/?usr=3652
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Atl 8/7/00, Houston 10/14/00
Bham 4/9/03, Nash 4/18/03, Atl 4/19/03, Boston 7/11/03, Hershey 7/12/03
Orlando 10/8/04
Camden 5/27, 5/28/06
PJ20 9/3 & 9/4/11
Missoula 9/30/12
Wrigley 7/19/13
Charlotte 10/30/13, SD 11/21/13, LA 2 11/24/13
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
http://www.hi5sports.org/ (Sports Program for Kids with Disabilities)
http://www.livefootsteps.org/user/?usr=3652
OR 6.29, 7.1, 7.2/3, 7.5/6, 7.8/9
http://www.hi5sports.org/ (Sports Program for Kids with Disabilities)
http://www.livefootsteps.org/user/?usr=3652
EDIT, my bad was taking about Camden to Nash
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
By what metric (other than longevity)?
Album sales have been stable, at best.
Other side of the same coin - what big name act might be opening for Pearl Jam?
???? : Pearl Jam :: Pearl Jam : Tom Petty
These locations have waited almost ten years (some more). It would be a bummer if we had to pay more money to see even less of PJ and an act we would be okay with at best.
-Christopher Walken
you're=you are
your=showing ownership
The truth has a well known liberal bias.
-Stephen Colbert
-my dad after hearing Not for You for the first time on SNL .
The point of the cherry picking is that routing matters, twenty years ago they could count on their crew to deal with the insanity of driving back and forth across destinations and overlapping because they did not have a choice if they wanted to play venue/city X based on availability.
In this instance, 9 shows is not a lot but it is far less taxing on their crew given the routing and approach. It is a linear trip in a fixed time frame with 4 cities getting 8 shows that cutting the setup and breakdown to a total of 5 times with Indianapolis in the mix.
This is the most normal thing they have done in a long time, last Septembers shows are pretty decent linear path, but the shows were tight, so their crew was on the move daily.
My guess is if this is real, it is a test run for how they might try to handle touring in their 60s.
http://www.hi5sports.org/ (Sports Program for Kids with Disabilities)
http://www.livefootsteps.org/user/?usr=3652
They did a robust rock the vote in y2k, but in August.
It was very political, as Ed told us to vote for Nader. Great idea.
2010 - Bridge School | 2012 - EV Austin | 2013 - Dallas | 2018 - Rome | 2022 - Oakland Night 1
Only 9 shows, if true, after 4 of the last 6 years featured zero headline shows (or a couple festivals) is weird
At this point, they might as well start labeling every tour Farewell Part 1, 2 etc. because its going to take them forever to see all their fans/markets one more time.