Ed could also still be recovering from COVID physically. People I have spoken with folks that feel very tired several months after recovery. Pacing himself through the tour to get back into shape.
My favorite PJ show ever out of all the ones I’ve been to was actually a “greatest hits” set.
Why?
Because it was probably the most on fire I’ve ever seen the band perform and the crowd was incredible. It didn’t reach 3 hours. Nobody in the building seemed to care that the Christmas single from 14 years ago wasn’t performed. They were just locked in and everyone could tell.
My favorite PJ show ever out of all the ones I’ve been to was actually a “greatest hits” set.
Why?
Because it was probably the most on fire I’ve ever seen the band perform and the crowd was incredible. It didn’t reach 3 hours. Nobody in the building seemed to care that the Christmas single from 14 years ago wasn’t performed. They were just locked in and everyone could tell.
Just curious about what show you are referring to.
My favorite PJ show ever out of all the ones I’ve been to was actually a “greatest hits” set.
Why?
Because it was probably the most on fire I’ve ever seen the band perform and the crowd was incredible. It didn’t reach 3 hours. Nobody in the building seemed to care that the Christmas single from 14 years ago wasn’t performed. They were just locked in and everyone could tell.
Just curious about what show you are referring to.
Not this poster but I know what he is feeling.
I’ve been to a lot of epic shows (closing down the spectrum 3 and 4, msg 2010, the Philly “ten show”, gorge in 2006, etc but the concert I literally had the most pure fun was Camden 2006. It was just a pure rocking show, my area of the lawn was insane, I lost my voice which never happens (and I lost it before the first encore). It was just insane. Not to say I liked that show more than some of the “classics” but it was uniquely awesome in its own way.
Set: wasted reprise -> life’s wasted WWS DTE animal severed hand corduroy marker in the sand GTF unenployable lukin not for you daughter i am mine jeremy present tense why go porch ——————— better man come back Small town last kiss alive ——————— SoLaT blood even flow comatose leash RitFW YL
(The energy in that second encore was off the charts)
Jones Beach II (2000), Holmdel (2003), Camden I, East Rutherford II, Gorge I, Gorge II (2006), MSG I, Boston II (2008), Spectrum II, Spectrum III, Spectrum IV (2009), MSG I, MSG II (2010), Prague (2012), Philly I (2013), Philly I, Philly II, Fenway I (2016), Fenway I (2018), MSG (2022), MSG I, Fenway 1 (2024)
Ed could also still be recovering from COVID physically. People I have spoken with folks that feel very tired several months after recovery. Pacing himself through the tour to get back into shape.
I'll come out and say it... Smoking for thirty years, getting covid, pushing sixty and Ed using his voice extensively doesn't sound like a recipe for thirty or more songs a night. :-/
Hopefully I am wrong and am so appreciative for what the band has given to us and continues to give to us.
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My favorite PJ show ever out of all the ones I’ve been to was actually a “greatest hits” set.
Why?
Because it was probably the most on fire I’ve ever seen the band perform and the crowd was incredible. It didn’t reach 3 hours. Nobody in the building seemed to care that the Christmas single from 14 years ago wasn’t performed. They were just locked in and everyone could tell.
Just curious about what show you are referring to.
Changing up the setlist is more important to me than number of songs with respect to seeing multiple shows a year. So if it is the same 25 of 30 songs each night being played, I'll see a couple shows. But if it the same 10 of 23 that are played each night then I'll see more.
Changing up the setlist is more important to me than number of songs with respect to seeing multiple shows a year. So if it is the same 25 of 30 songs each night being played, I'll see a couple shows. But if it the same 10 of 23 that are played each night then I'll see more.
That’s what it really comes down to for me as well and so far I am very impressed with the mixing up of sets.
My favorite PJ show ever out of all the ones I’ve been to was actually a “greatest hits” set.
Why?
Because it was probably the most on fire I’ve ever seen the band perform and the crowd was incredible. It didn’t reach 3 hours. Nobody in the building seemed to care that the Christmas single from 14 years ago wasn’t performed. They were just locked in and everyone could tell.
Just curious about what show you are referring to.
Spectrum 2003.
agree. will probably always be the loudest, most energized building I have ever been in. place was on fire. the closing of the spectrum is a close 2nd, but the first spectrum '03 was in a world of its own.
Everyone realize they are playing 37 shows this year after not playing for how long if Ed’s voice goes people will cry if they cancel shows and there really only removing covers which I’m ok with except sonic reducer. So that’s ok with me as long as song sound this good and well paced
Cut the covers, cut the fluff from BS and LB. Boom. Tighter set, albeit shorter. Will only catch one show this tour but I am fine with that.
1998-06-30 Minneapolis
2003-06-16 St. Paul
2006-06-26 St. Paul
2007-08-05 Chicago
2009-08-23 Chicago
2009-08-28 San Francisco
2010-05-01 NOLA (Jazz Fest)
2011-07-02 EV Minneapolis
2011-09-03 PJ20
2011-09-04 PJ20
2011-09-17 Winnipeg
2012-06-26 Amsterdam
2012-06-27 Amsterdam
2013-07-19 Wrigley
2013-11-21 San Diego
2013-11-23 Los Angeles
2013-11-24 Los Angeles
2014-07-08 Leeds, UK
2014-07-11 Milton Keynes, UK
2014-10-09 Lincoln
2014-10-19 St. Paul
2014-10-20 Milwaukee
2016-08-20 Wrigley 1
2016-08-22 Wrigley 2 2018-06-18 London 1 2018-08-18 Wrigley 1 2018-08-20 Wrigley 2 2022-09-16 Nashville 2023-08-31 St. Paul 2023-09-02 St. Paul 2023-09-05 Chicago 1 2024-08-31 Wrigley 2 2024-09-15 Fenway 1 2024-09-27 Ohana 1 2024-09-29 Ohana 2
I think one thing to keep in mind - I highly doubt the band are doing this just to get back to their hotels earlier or anything like that. What decision was made here, it was done I firmly believe for the long-term sustainability of the quality of performances the band wants to be known for
So for me, if a band is making decisions that for them enables them to deliver the best live shows they can do, how can I possibly be mad at that?
'96 and '98 shows are some of my favorites. I've said this in other threads but the setlist length, whether it be number of songs or time on stage, is not that big a deal to me personally as long as the band is tight and the show is good. Two hours and twenty-four minutes is still a great set length. And again, at the risk of repeating myself, I'm a little bummed that Gigaton is so much of the set but it's the new record, and the tour behind the new record, so I get it. I'm sure the songs *sound* great live but my issue with the record (and my issue with Earthling) is that Ed's writing is pretty weak compared even to the stuff on Backspacer or Lightning Bolt. Some outliers on both Gigaton and Earthling for sure but by and large the writing is just... not great, in my opinion. Seven O'Clock and The Haves, respectively, are two of the worst things, lyrically, that have made their way onto official PJ/EV releases, maybe ever.
Everyone has an opinion but holy smokes this is not right. Seven o’clock is a top 5 Pearl jam song for me. Lyrically, musically, the singing, Ed’s delivery … it’s perfect. Lightning bolt and backspacer are two of their weakest records IMO. Seven o’clock is miles ahead of anything on those albums. Like have you read the lyrics to let the records play? Lol
I do agree with you the haves though. That one is pretty bad.
We just disagree on Seven, I guess. To me the writing — like much of Ed's writing when he tries to be direct about political/social issues — is clunky. When his writing is even a bit more esoteric but still political (Rats, WME, DTE) it works a lot better for me. Quick Escape rips but the "to find a place Trump hadn't fucked up yet" immediately dates the song and makes it so specific to an individual moment/person rather than the root cause(s) of the problem(s) Ed is writing about.
From the new one DOC, Wolf Moon, Retrograde and River Cross are all pretty good. The writing is what it needs to be for those songs. Maybe not his greatest writing, but befitting the material. I just don't feel the same about Seven, Who Ever Said, Escape and the other tracks.
Yes agree to disagree! Haha
But honest question. One lyric and that ruins a song or makes you think the writing is weak? Seems like you have pretty high standards! 😉
I agree with him about the Trump line. Dates the song. Not a fan of him doing that.
I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
I keep trying to find the magic in Seven O' Clock, and I come up empty. I like several songs on Gigaton, but that one feels underwhelming.
The song is too wordy and some lyrics don’t flow properly or as they should.
"moved on from my despondency...." comes to mind. I still remember that one from my first initial listen. I like a lot of things about the song, but yes, some of the works just don't quite work imo.
I love a slow first encore. Bring out the stools let’s gooooo with some All or None.
Here’s my ideal first encore- Around the bend, All or none, fatal, parting ways, light years, hard to imagine, in my tree, present tense, breath, RVM. We can all dream
Yeah, that won’t happen.
I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
4 shows in - 1 total song from Binaural, Riot Act and Avocado combined
Rarest song so far is Leash or Wash
The shows have been great, don’t get me wrong, but the days of chasing multiple arenas to get a white whale are over, at least for now
2010: Cleveland 2012: Atlanta 2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II 2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver 2015: New York City 2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly II / New York City II / Toronto II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway I / Wrigley I / Wrigley - II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco 2017: Ohana Fest (EV) 2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II 2021: Asbury Park / Ohana Encore 1 / Ohana Encore 2 2022: Phoenix / LA I / LA II / Quebec City / Ottawa / New York City / Camden / Nashville / St. Louis / Denver 2023: St. Paul II 2024: Las Vegas I / Las Vegas II / New York City I / New York City II / Philly I / Philly II / Baltimore
4 shows in - 1 total song from Binaural, Riot Act and Avocado combined
Rarest song so far is Leash or Wash
The shows have been great, don’t get me wrong, but the days of chasing multiple arenas to get a white whale are over, at least for now
Yup, and I am guilty of doing so. I love seeing 3 or 4 shows on a tour and seeing how many "new to me" songs I can hear. The portion of the fanbase who do the same might feel a little bummed. I know I am leading up to the Oakland shows.
Fargo, ND 6/15/03
Winnipeg, MB 9/8/05
St Paul, MN 6/27/06
Chicago, IL 8/5/07
East Troy, WI 9/3/11, 9/4/11
Winnipeg, MB 9/17/11
Chicago, IL 7/19/13
St Paul, MN 10/19/14
Miami, FL 04/09/16
Tampa, FL 04/11/16
Fenway 1 & 2 08/05/16, 08/07/16Wrigley 1 & 2 08/18/18, 08/20/18Oakland 1 & 2 05/12/22, 05/13/22
You just have to accept it for what it is. It is still worth seeing them on back to back nights in the same town, because they still play a lot of different songs night to night. And who knows, there is still a chance that someone will hear that one song they they are hoping for. Just not as good odds as there used to be due to playing 8-10 less songs.
Every show my wife goes to, she hopes to hear at least one of Come Back, Present Tense, or Crazy Mary. Anything else is gravy. Odds were always good that she'd get one of those over the course of 2-3 shows.
I'm still really looking forward to seeing them in September. Other than Gigaton, I've seen them play everything I want to hear. I don't need Sweet Lew or Bugs or anything like that.
4 shows in - 1 total song from Binaural, Riot Act and Avocado combined
Rarest song so far is Leash or Wash
The shows have been great, don’t get me wrong, but the days of chasing multiple arenas to get a white whale are over, at least for now
Wes you’re not wrong but if I can get Strangest Tribe on this run I’m feeling fortunate.
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4 shows in - 1 total song from Binaural, Riot Act and Avocado combined
Rarest song so far is Leash or Wash
The shows have been great, don’t get me wrong, but the days of chasing multiple arenas to get a white whale are over, at least for now
It’s actually making me want new Gigaton songs even more. Because they might be dropped quickly off future set lists.
This more than anything. Play the damn new songs. Night one in San Diego seemed a good sign. Last night comparaby, not so much. The obsession with playing certain "classics" every night is pretty meh.
Now that's it here and happening I'm realizing how short these two U.S. legs are. 2-3 weeks and that's it. I'm more disappointed by that than I am the length of the setlist.
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wasted reprise -> life’s wasted
WWS
DTE
animal
severed hand
corduroy
marker in the sand
GTF
unenployable
lukin
not for you
daughter
i am mine
jeremy
present tense
why go
porch
———————
better man
come back
Small town
last kiss
alive
———————
SoLaT
blood
even flow
comatose
leash
RitFW
YL
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2003-06-16 St. Paul
2006-06-26 St. Paul
2007-08-05 Chicago
2009-08-23 Chicago
2009-08-28 San Francisco
2010-05-01 NOLA (Jazz Fest)
2011-07-02 EV Minneapolis
2011-09-03 PJ20
2011-09-04 PJ20
2011-09-17 Winnipeg
2012-06-26 Amsterdam
2012-06-27 Amsterdam
2013-07-19 Wrigley
2013-11-21 San Diego
2013-11-23 Los Angeles
2013-11-24 Los Angeles
2014-07-08 Leeds, UK
2014-07-11 Milton Keynes, UK
2014-10-09 Lincoln
2014-10-19 St. Paul
2014-10-20 Milwaukee
2016-08-20 Wrigley 1
2016-08-22 Wrigley 2
2018-06-18 London 1
2018-08-18 Wrigley 1
2018-08-20 Wrigley 2
2022-09-16 Nashville
2023-08-31 St. Paul
2023-09-02 St. Paul
2023-09-05 Chicago 1
2024-08-31 Wrigley 2
2024-09-15 Fenway 1
2024-09-27 Ohana 1
2024-09-29 Ohana 2
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
2025: Pittsburgh 5/16+5/18
Rarest song so far is Leash or Wash
The shows have been great, don’t get me wrong, but the days of chasing multiple arenas to get a white whale are over, at least for now
2012: Atlanta
2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II
2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver
2015: New York City
2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly II / New York City II / Toronto II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway I / Wrigley I / Wrigley - II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco
2017: Ohana Fest (EV)
2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II
2021: Asbury Park / Ohana Encore 1 / Ohana Encore 2
2022: Phoenix / LA I / LA II / Quebec City / Ottawa / New York City / Camden / Nashville / St. Louis / Denver
2023: St. Paul II
2024: Las Vegas I / Las Vegas II / New York City I / New York City II / Philly I / Philly II / Baltimore
Fargo, ND 6/15/03 Winnipeg, MB 9/8/05 St Paul, MN 6/27/06 Chicago, IL 8/5/07 East Troy, WI 9/3/11, 9/4/11 Winnipeg, MB 9/17/11 Chicago, IL 7/19/13 St Paul, MN 10/19/14 Miami, FL 04/09/16 Tampa, FL 04/11/16 Fenway 1 & 2 08/05/16, 08/07/16Wrigley 1 & 2 08/18/18, 08/20/18Oakland 1 & 2 05/12/22, 05/13/22Every show my wife goes to, she hopes to hear at least one of Come Back, Present Tense, or Crazy Mary. Anything else is gravy. Odds were always good that she'd get one of those over the course of 2-3 shows.
I'm still really looking forward to seeing them in September. Other than Gigaton, I've seen them play everything I want to hear. I don't need Sweet Lew or Bugs or anything like that.
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1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore - 2025: Hollywood X2, Atlanta 2, Nashville X2, Pittsburgh X2
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
2025: Pittsburgh 5/16+5/18
That they aren't playing 30+ songs sets anymore is ok, and completely understandable, all things considered.
That fans are talking about this fact is also ok.
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