The 30+ song set lists done for good?

PJNB

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

PJNB said:

The band came on stage 1hr and 20 minutes after Josh was done playing. What a wait that must be in the pit. They are not cutting much on the first two sets. They can play longer the opening band has nothing to do with this decision imo. 

I do like that Ed comes out for a solo song each night so far. With Pearl Jam almost coming out 2hrs after that though it is a huge wait for people to hear one song so I am not sure it will do what I think they are intending it to do and get peoples butts in their seats for Josh. 

You don’t even make any sense. Where do you get 1 hour and 20 minute wait between josh and the band coming on stage?  People on this board complaining about only getting 2 hour sets and shorter shows is odd to me. One person on here said they were selling their tickets to Atleast 2 of their shows cause SD set list was only 24 songs. They bought tix for 5 shows but are scaling down, ooooh the horror. 

You are right it was more like an hour after Josh was done. I was using the start time of Joshs set not the end. I also thought they would start earlier than San Diego but the start times were very similar. 

How is it odd to you people are talking about the shorter sets? Do you really think going from 30 songs a night to 22 is not noteworthy enough for a peaceful discussion? 

2-feign-reluctance

2 disc boots will fit better in my Case Logic! 

PJNB

The 2018 tour kicked off with some shorter than usual sets too in Amsterdam. They ended up playing more as the tour went on but you could definitely tell the winds were changing as far as average length of sets go. Berlin was 27 songs I think and it was a fantastic show so while number of songs do matter the songs they choose matter more imo. 

I am hoping as the tour progresses the sets will be in that Berlin range and they play a 30 song set at least once out of the 40 or so shows they are doing. If someone wants to go to less shows because of the sets not varying as much as they usually do (by default since number of hits and Gigaton every night forces this) then so be it. That will not ruin my experience on this forum or any show. 

Everyone I talked to that went to the show last night had a fantastic time. Seemed like a great song selection and lively crowd and I am very interested in what they bring on the last 3 shows this leg. 

OceansJenny

I was going to complain that the band went on late even without an opener but they are starting a full hour later than 2018. 

When was the last time they had an opener and when did they typically the stage?

PJNB

OceansJenny said:

I was going to complain that the band went on late even without an opener but they are starting a full hour later than 2018. 

When was the last time they had an opener and when did they typically the stage?

I think they have for NA at least always come on between 8:30 and 8:50pm for arena shows the last couple of tours. Ballparks were different. 

bootlegger10

PJNB said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

PJNB said:

The band came on stage 1hr and 20 minutes after Josh was done playing. What a wait that must be in the pit. They are not cutting much on the first two sets. They can play longer the opening band has nothing to do with this decision imo. 

I do like that Ed comes out for a solo song each night so far. With Pearl Jam almost coming out 2hrs after that though it is a huge wait for people to hear one song so I am not sure it will do what I think they are intending it to do and get peoples butts in their seats for Josh. 

You don’t even make any sense. Where do you get 1 hour and 20 minute wait between josh and the band coming on stage?  People on this board complaining about only getting 2 hour sets and shorter shows is odd to me. One person on here said they were selling their tickets to Atleast 2 of their shows cause SD set list was only 24 songs. They bought tix for 5 shows but are scaling down, ooooh the horror. 

You are right it was more like an hour after Josh was done. I was using the start time of Joshs set not the end. I also thought they would start earlier than San Diego but the start times were very similar. 

How is it odd to you people are talking about the shorter sets? Do you really think going from 30 songs a night to 22 is not noteworthy enough for a peaceful discussion? 

Yeah, don’t understand why we can’t talk about this stuff, or how someone who is used to 30 songs a night with a lot of variety not wanting to travel and see the band five times if there are 8-10 less songs played and less variety.   Seems fair to me.

I wouldn’t want to see five U2 shows where they play 22 songs a night and don’t switch it up too much, but would love to see one or two.  

THEBIBLEISTEN

They have gone on at 8:50 for years

Lifted

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

PJNB said:

The band came on stage 1hr and 20 minutes after Josh was done playing. What a wait that must be in the pit. They are not cutting much on the first two sets. They can play longer the opening band has nothing to do with this decision imo. 

I do like that Ed comes out for a solo song each night so far. With Pearl Jam almost coming out 2hrs after that though it is a huge wait for people to hear one song so I am not sure it will do what I think they are intending it to do and get peoples butts in their seats for Josh. 

You don’t even make any sense. Where do you get 1 hour and 20 minute wait between josh and the band coming on stage?  People on this board complaining about only getting 2 hour sets and shorter shows is odd to me. One person on here said they were selling their tickets to Atleast 2 of their shows cause SD set list was only 24 songs. They bought tix for 5 shows but are scaling down, ooooh the horror. 

Lol. Right....some of these posts are pretty pathetic. And rather ignorant regarding the history of the band's tours I might add. SD was 15 minutes shy of 3 hours...wtf more do people want? LA was 2 hours and 20. That's plenty of time for a concert, and also not completely out of the ordinary for pj. These 3+ hours shows being a regular thing for all tour stops only really happened for a couple of the more recent tours. 2.5 hours is pretty standard for PJ. 

The LA setlist looked great to me. Most of the Pearl Jam shows I've been to where they've played 3 hours or more, and I've been to a bunch, would've probably been better if they cut out some songs. They're essentially cutting out the 2nd encore of slower/acoustic songs (that has been a thing in recent years) and going straight for the heavy hitters.

I might be disappointed if they played for only 2 hours and included a bunch of slow acoustic ditties, but so far that doesn't seem to be the case. I hope it continues and pisses off a bunch of nerds holding camden and msg tickets....maybe they will become more accessible for the rest of us.

OceansJenny

Then what’s the problem? Are they ending earlier? Is Ed talking more? Are they playing slower?

PJNB

Lifted said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

PJNB said:

The band came on stage 1hr and 20 minutes after Josh was done playing. What a wait that must be in the pit. They are not cutting much on the first two sets. They can play longer the opening band has nothing to do with this decision imo. 

I do like that Ed comes out for a solo song each night so far. With Pearl Jam almost coming out 2hrs after that though it is a huge wait for people to hear one song so I am not sure it will do what I think they are intending it to do and get peoples butts in their seats for Josh. 

You don’t even make any sense. Where do you get 1 hour and 20 minute wait between josh and the band coming on stage?  People on this board complaining about only getting 2 hour sets and shorter shows is odd to me. One person on here said they were selling their tickets to Atleast 2 of their shows cause SD set list was only 24 songs. They bought tix for 5 shows but are scaling down, ooooh the horror. 

Lol. Right....some of these posts are pretty pathetic. And rather ignorant regarding the history of the band's tours I might add. SD was 15 minutes shy of 3 hours...wtf more do people want? LA was 2 hours and 20. That's plenty of time for a concert, and also not completely out of the ordinary for pj. These 3+ hours shows being a regular thing for all tour stops only really happened for a couple of the more recent tours. 2.5 hours is pretty standard for PJ. 

The LA setlist looked great to me. Most of the Pearl Jam shows I've been to where they've played 3 hours or more, and I've been to a bunch, would've probably been better if they cut out some songs. They're essentially cutting out the 2nd encore of slower/acoustic songs (that has been a thing in recent years) and going straight for the heavy hitters.

I might be disappointed if they played for only 2 hours and included a bunch of slow acoustic ditties, but so far that doesn't seem to be the case. I hope it continues and pisses off a bunch of nerds holding camden and msg tickets....maybe they will become more accessible for the rest of us.

I like the slower songs. I am a nerd though. 

JimmyV

The time the band has spent onstage doesn't seem to mesh with the number of songs being played. Is Ed talking (coughcoughtakingabreakcoughcough) after most songs?

aurelgugus

PJNB said:

The 2018 tour kicked off with some shorter than usual sets too in Amsterdam. They ended up playing more as the tour went on but you could definitely tell the winds were changing as far as average length of sets go. Berlin was 27 songs I think and it was a fantastic show so while number of songs do matter the songs they choose matter more imo. 

I am hoping as the tour progresses the sets will be in that Berlin range and they play a 30 song set at least once out of the 40 or so shows they are doing. If someone wants to go to less shows because of the sets not varying as much as they usually do (by default since number of hits and Gigaton every night forces this) then so be it. That will not ruin my experience on this forum or any show. 

Everyone I talked to that went to the show last night had a fantastic time. Seemed like a great song selection and lively crowd and I am very interested in what they bring on the last 3 shows this leg. 

It seems that almost everyone forgot what happened during the first part of the 2018 European leg, I am glad I’m not alone.

OceansJenny

Poking around the PJ stats ap, avg # of songs per show:

1992: 11
1993: 16
1994: 20
1995: 23
1996: 23
1998: 23
2000: 26
2003: 26
2005: 26
2006: 26
2008: 26
2009: 28
2010: 25
2011: 28

2012: 26
2013: 32
2014: 29
2015: 30
2016: 30
2018: 28

JimmyV

2013 was among the best years in this band's history. 

PJNB

JimmyV said:

The time the band has spent onstage doesn't seem to mesh with the number of songs being played. Is Ed talking (coughcoughtakingabreakcoughcough) after most songs?

Gigaton songs along with a lot of their hits almost all run over 5 minutes each. That and the talking are the main reasons i believe. 

OceansJenny

JimmyV said:

2013 was among the best years in this band's history. 

Agreed - I really enjoyed 2006 and 2003 as well album years tend to breathe some energy into the band!

So really, 3 less songs than their typical setlist in the 2000s isn’t a huge drop.

Lifted

PJNB said:

Lifted said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

PJNB said:

The band came on stage 1hr and 20 minutes after Josh was done playing. What a wait that must be in the pit. They are not cutting much on the first two sets. They can play longer the opening band has nothing to do with this decision imo. 

I do like that Ed comes out for a solo song each night so far. With Pearl Jam almost coming out 2hrs after that though it is a huge wait for people to hear one song so I am not sure it will do what I think they are intending it to do and get peoples butts in their seats for Josh. 

You don’t even make any sense. Where do you get 1 hour and 20 minute wait between josh and the band coming on stage?  People on this board complaining about only getting 2 hour sets and shorter shows is odd to me. One person on here said they were selling their tickets to Atleast 2 of their shows cause SD set list was only 24 songs. They bought tix for 5 shows but are scaling down, ooooh the horror. 

Lol. Right....some of these posts are pretty pathetic. And rather ignorant regarding the history of the band's tours I might add. SD was 15 minutes shy of 3 hours...wtf more do people want? LA was 2 hours and 20. That's plenty of time for a concert, and also not completely out of the ordinary for pj. These 3+ hours shows being a regular thing for all tour stops only really happened for a couple of the more recent tours. 2.5 hours is pretty standard for PJ. 

The LA setlist looked great to me. Most of the Pearl Jam shows I've been to where they've played 3 hours or more, and I've been to a bunch, would've probably been better if they cut out some songs. They're essentially cutting out the 2nd encore of slower/acoustic songs (that has been a thing in recent years) and going straight for the heavy hitters.

I might be disappointed if they played for only 2 hours and included a bunch of slow acoustic ditties, but so far that doesn't seem to be the case. I hope it continues and pisses off a bunch of nerds holding camden and msg tickets....maybe they will become more accessible for the rest of us.

I like the slower songs. I am a nerd though. 

I dont dislike the songs...I just dont need to hear them in the middle of a concert.

PJNB

Lifted said:

PJNB said:

Lifted said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

PJNB said:

The band came on stage 1hr and 20 minutes after Josh was done playing. What a wait that must be in the pit. They are not cutting much on the first two sets. They can play longer the opening band has nothing to do with this decision imo. 

I do like that Ed comes out for a solo song each night so far. With Pearl Jam almost coming out 2hrs after that though it is a huge wait for people to hear one song so I am not sure it will do what I think they are intending it to do and get peoples butts in their seats for Josh. 

You don’t even make any sense. Where do you get 1 hour and 20 minute wait between josh and the band coming on stage?  People on this board complaining about only getting 2 hour sets and shorter shows is odd to me. One person on here said they were selling their tickets to Atleast 2 of their shows cause SD set list was only 24 songs. They bought tix for 5 shows but are scaling down, ooooh the horror. 

Lol. Right....some of these posts are pretty pathetic. And rather ignorant regarding the history of the band's tours I might add. SD was 15 minutes shy of 3 hours...wtf more do people want? LA was 2 hours and 20. That's plenty of time for a concert, and also not completely out of the ordinary for pj. These 3+ hours shows being a regular thing for all tour stops only really happened for a couple of the more recent tours. 2.5 hours is pretty standard for PJ. 

The LA setlist looked great to me. Most of the Pearl Jam shows I've been to where they've played 3 hours or more, and I've been to a bunch, would've probably been better if they cut out some songs. They're essentially cutting out the 2nd encore of slower/acoustic songs (that has been a thing in recent years) and going straight for the heavy hitters.

I might be disappointed if they played for only 2 hours and included a bunch of slow acoustic ditties, but so far that doesn't seem to be the case. I hope it continues and pisses off a bunch of nerds holding camden and msg tickets....maybe they will become more accessible for the rest of us.

I like the slower songs. I am a nerd though. 

I dont dislike the songs...I just dont need to hear them in the middle of a concert.

I think this new 1 encore set up with no covers will breathe some fresh air into the end of shows. Hopefully they can throw a surprise or two in there while they are at it.

OceansJenny

I love a slow first encore. Bring out the stools let’s gooooo with some All or None.

mrmcqueen

PJNB said:

The band came on stage 1hr and 20 minutes after Josh was done playing. What a wait that must be in the pit. They are not cutting much on the first two sets. They can play longer the opening band has nothing to do with this decision imo. 

I do like that Ed comes out for a solo song each night so far. With Pearl Jam almost coming out 2hrs after that though it is a huge wait for people to hear one song so I am not sure it will do what I think they are intending it to do and get peoples butts in their seats for Josh. 

These are all insightful points. Ed came out early at Milan in 2014 for an acoustic Porch b/c we were all baking in the hot sun (so we assumed). I completely understand why he wanted to draw folks away from drinking beer around the exterior perimeter of the arena to get inside to "respect the opener." The long gap that followed Josh was rumoured to be traffic related, but the 8:50pm ish start time in LA1 was the exact same as San Diego.