I don’t want to live in a world without conspiracy theories. While 95% are bs, they can still be fun to read and listen about
Rather have "Paul is dead and him walking barefoot on Abbey Road proves it" conspiracy theories than the ones Joe Rogan's Sandy Hook-truther buddies cook up.
He's not a Sandy Hook hoax kind of guy. That is just false.
Didn’t say he was?
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
I don’t want to live in a world without conspiracy theories. While 95% are bs, they can still be fun to read and listen about
Rather have "Paul is dead and him walking barefoot on Abbey Road proves it" conspiracy theories than the ones Joe Rogan's Sandy Hook-truther buddies cook up.
He's not a Sandy Hook hoax kind of guy. That is just false.
no, he's not. spiritual said "buddies", as in Alex Jones.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
I don’t want to live in a world without conspiracy theories. While 95% are bs, they can still be fun to read and listen about
Rather have "Paul is dead and him walking barefoot on Abbey Road proves it" conspiracy theories than the ones Joe Rogan's Sandy Hook-truther buddies cook up.
He's not a Sandy Hook hoax kind of guy. That is just false.
no, he's not. spiritual said "buddies", as in Alex Jones.
He's friend with that muck raker? I thought he just interviewed him?
I don’t want to live in a world without conspiracy theories. While 95% are bs, they can still be fun to read and listen about
Rather have "Paul is dead and him walking barefoot on Abbey Road proves it" conspiracy theories than the ones Joe Rogan's Sandy Hook-truther buddies cook up.
He's not a Sandy Hook hoax kind of guy. That is just false.
no, he's not. spiritual said "buddies", as in Alex Jones.
He's friend with that muck raker? I thought he just interviewed him?
no, good friends. joe has admitted on his show, however, that he truly believes Alex has some mental health issues.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
Stephen Stills is on board with the boycott. David Crosby said he would as well, but he sold his catalogue last year. I think teh same is true for the Beatles and Bruce, if I'm not mistaken.
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Stephen Stills is on board with the boycott. David Crosby said he would as well, but he sold his catalogue last year. I think teh same is true for the Beatles and Bruce, if I'm not mistaken.
Alright! Kudos to them all!
"Don't give in to the lies. Don't give in to the fear. Hold on to the truth. And to hope."
Stephen Stills is on board with the boycott. David Crosby said he would as well, but he sold his catalogue last year. I think teh same is true for the Beatles and Bruce, if I'm not mistaken.
Stephen Stills is on board with the boycott. David Crosby said he would as well, but he sold his catalogue last year. I think teh same is true for the Beatles and Bruce, if I'm not mistaken.
David Crosby, when responding to someone tweeting him, acknowledged it at least. Obviously he's been on a "sucking up to Neil" journey post his comments about Darryl Hannah.
Bruce could also acknowledge it. But I guess, even if he would want to boycott Spotify he would have to bring up once again that he sold his songs. Which I think for all these sellers, is a bit of awkward to begin with -- and even more so when it shows how you've given up any power of your artistic and often political life's work.
But Bruce did sell to Sony BMG I think. I would imagine a record label would listen to someone like Bruce (while he's alive). But maybe I'm naive.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
Stephen Stills is on board with the boycott. David Crosby said he would as well, but he sold his catalogue last year. I think teh same is true for the Beatles and Bruce, if I'm not mistaken.
David Crosby, when responding to someone tweeting him, acknowledged it at least. Obviously he's been on a "sucking up to Neil" journey post his comments about Darryl Hannah.
Bruce could also acknowledge it. But I guess, even if he would want to boycott Spotify he would have to bring up once again that he sold his songs. Which I think for all these sellers, is a bit of awkward to begin with -- and even more so when it shows how you've given up any power of your artistic and often political life's work.
But Bruce did sell to Sony BMG I think. I would imagine a record label would listen to someone like Bruce (while he's alive). But maybe I'm naive.
I guess that all depends on how much revenue from Bruce's songs that Sony gets from Spotify. If it's small, then yeah they may listen. If it's material, then they are staying out of it.
Sony owns 2% of Spotify (UMG 3.5%), so they have stakes in seeing it succeed. Big labels aren't doing shit. I'm guessing Neil doesn't pull in a ton from streaming on Spotify for WB, so the Warners were like 'fine, whatever. Probably the best press you've had in a decade'.
I don’t want to live in a world without conspiracy theories. While 95% are bs, they can still be fun to read and listen about
Rather have "Paul is dead and him walking barefoot on Abbey Road proves it" conspiracy theories than the ones Joe Rogan's Sandy Hook-truther buddies cook up.
He's not a Sandy Hook hoax kind of guy. That is just false.
no, he's not. spiritual said "buddies", as in Alex Jones.
He's friend with that muck raker? I thought he just interviewed him?
Birds of a feather
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
I get the feeling this is becoming more about the pittance artists get from Spotify than about misinformation.
Really? Have you read the statement made by the artists? I don't get that feeling at all. This think it has been and still is about a famous podcaster spreading misinformation about a deadly disease.
"Don't give in to the lies. Don't give in to the fear. Hold on to the truth. And to hope."
While the royalty rates are pitiful, that's not what Neil cared about here. So while I generally like to read Pitchfork, they are completely off teh mark since that's not the point.
Thats not the point of Neil's problem. But the article makes the point to go bigger. Spotify is problematic. Especially if you like music and enjoy supporting musicians. And the article is right.
Rogan differs from your average conspiracist YouTuber in the size and dedication of his audience, and in the fact that Spotify pays him directly and handsomely for the privilege of hosting his show. And in that sense, the special emphasis that Young, Mitchell, and the coalition of medical professionals before them have given to the Spotify-Rogan relationship isn’t misplaced. But it says something depressing about the level of public concern for the plight of working musicians that Spotify’s ethics became the object of mainstream scrutiny only after the company was forced to defend its position on long-simmering anxieties about online media in general, rather than the issues of fair compensation that activists have raised about music streaming platforms in particular.
Thats not the point of Neil's problem. But the article makes the point to go bigger. Spotify is problematic. Especially if you like music and enjoy supporting musicians. And the article is right.
Spotify is a problem, but so is Apple, Amazon and google music. Sure streaming is a problem. Spotify is specifically a problem because of Joe Rogan. The rest are an industry issue, not a Spotify one in particular. Why would NY make this about a whole different economic issue when he is upset of about vaccine misinformation? If he makes it about streaming in general, then Rogan is off teh hook and the conversation moves. The article is right in the sense that they make a good point about royalties. It's just irrelevant to Neil's cause. So it's both right and not germane.
I don’t want to live in a world without conspiracy theories. While 95% are bs, they can still be fun to read and listen about
Rather have "Paul is dead and him walking barefoot on Abbey Road proves it" conspiracy theories than the ones Joe Rogan's Sandy Hook-truther buddies cook up.
He's not a Sandy Hook hoax kind of guy. That is just false.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I don’t want to live in a world without conspiracy theories. While 95% are bs, they can still be fun to read and listen about
Rather have "Paul is dead and him walking barefoot on Abbey Road proves it" conspiracy theories than the ones Joe Rogan's Sandy Hook-truther buddies cook up.
He's not a Sandy Hook hoax kind of guy. That is just false.
no, he's not. spiritual said "buddies", as in Alex Jones.
He's friend with that muck raker? I thought he just interviewed him?
no, good friends. joe has admitted on his show, however, that he truly believes Alex has some mental health issues.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I get the feeling this is becoming more about the pittance artists get from Spotify than about misinformation.
Really? Have you read the statement made by the artists? I don't get that feeling at all. This think it has been and still is about a famous podcaster spreading misinformation about a deadly disease.
I read this statement by the band Failure today and that's why I said "becoming":
Failure have wrestled with the question of Spotify and whether to
have our newest music, which we control, on the platform. Until now, our
ambivalence about Spotify has been based on their draconian royalty
calculation which essentially gives artists a microscopic fraction of
the money being generated by their music on the platform. We’ve all seen
the stories of just how little Spotify pays artists whose product
powers their entire business model. It’s been a scam for artists since
the beginning, following in the tradition of the major label model which
preceded it.
But artists who want to have their music heard by the most ears
possible have had an tough decision to make. Do we give our music to a
company that devalues our product to the point where royalty checks from
Spotify have become the butt of humorous memes, or do we withhold our
music from the platform and supposedly miss out on an “entire generation
of music listeners?”
That is exactly where Failure have been since 2015 when we released
our first album since reuniting. Acquiescing to the desire for more ear
holes. But now, with Spotify’s recent policy shift that allows COVID
vaccine misinformation to thrive on their platform, Failure have decided
that enough is enough.
Beyond the moral issues raised by Spotify’s COVID decision, the issue
of vaccine misinformation and how it directly affects the current
situation in the live music space is simply untenable. Right now,
Failure have a 31-date US tour booked for June. The last tour we had
booked in 2019 was canceled because of COVID, which was a massive
financial blow to the band. The vast majority of venues on our upcoming
tour are requiring proof of vaccination or a negative test to see our
show. We simply cannot square Spotify’s insistence on spreading
misinformation about something that directly endangers our band’s supply
chain, namely, human beings in a room with big speakers. There are
multiple layers, and reasons for our decision, but looking at the
capitalistic, free market angle, this band, like any other small
business, is cutting ties with a partner that continues to cut into our
bottom line. On that level, this problem is really that simple.
Of course, no system or business is perfect, but we have alternatives
to Spotify that allow the band to be compensated in a more sustainable
way, and without the need to associate ourselves with dangerous lies
about public health policy.
If you want to buy lossless digital versions of our entire catalogue,
we encourage you to purchase our music on Bandcamp:
failureband.bandcamp.com
If you want to stream our music, we continue to offer our music through Apple and other streaming services.
We encourage other artists who want to be paid better for their music,
and who don’t want to be in business with a company who is comfortable
jeopardizing the industry to which they owe their entire business model,
to join us.
Sincerely,
Failure
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everybody knows this is nowhere Posts: 7,637
I like that Graham Nash included this in his statement, acknowledging that some artists depend on Spotify and are not in a position to take their music off.
“It should also be acknowledged that many younger musicians, and many musicians of all ages, rely on platforms like this to gain exposure to a wider audience and share their music with the world.
Not everyone is able to take steps like this which is all the more reason that platforms like Spotify must be more responsible and accountable for the content they are obligated to moderate for the good of the public at large.”
“Do not postpone happiness”
(Jeff Tweedy, Sydney 2007)
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-EV 8/14/93
-EV 8/14/93
Alright! Kudos to them all!
Bruce could also acknowledge it. But I guess, even if he would want to boycott Spotify he would have to bring up once again that he sold his songs. Which I think for all these sellers, is a bit of awkward to begin with -- and even more so when it shows how you've given up any power of your artistic and often political life's work.
But Bruce did sell to Sony BMG I think. I would imagine a record label would listen to someone like Bruce (while he's alive). But maybe I'm naive.
I guess that all depends on how much revenue from Bruce's songs that Sony gets from Spotify. If it's small, then yeah they may listen. If it's material, then they are staying out of it.
Really? Have you read the statement made by the artists? I don't get that feeling at all. This think it has been and still is about a famous podcaster spreading misinformation about a deadly disease.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
and drinks on air with him to set him off.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Failure have wrestled with the question of Spotify and whether to have our newest music, which we control, on the platform. Until now, our ambivalence about Spotify has been based on their draconian royalty calculation which essentially gives artists a microscopic fraction of the money being generated by their music on the platform. We’ve all seen the stories of just how little Spotify pays artists whose product powers their entire business model. It’s been a scam for artists since the beginning, following in the tradition of the major label model which preceded it.
But artists who want to have their music heard by the most ears possible have had an tough decision to make. Do we give our music to a company that devalues our product to the point where royalty checks from Spotify have become the butt of humorous memes, or do we withhold our music from the platform and supposedly miss out on an “entire generation of music listeners?”
That is exactly where Failure have been since 2015 when we released our first album since reuniting. Acquiescing to the desire for more ear holes. But now, with Spotify’s recent policy shift that allows COVID vaccine misinformation to thrive on their platform, Failure have decided that enough is enough.
Beyond the moral issues raised by Spotify’s COVID decision, the issue of vaccine misinformation and how it directly affects the current situation in the live music space is simply untenable. Right now, Failure have a 31-date US tour booked for June. The last tour we had booked in 2019 was canceled because of COVID, which was a massive financial blow to the band. The vast majority of venues on our upcoming tour are requiring proof of vaccination or a negative test to see our show. We simply cannot square Spotify’s insistence on spreading misinformation about something that directly endangers our band’s supply chain, namely, human beings in a room with big speakers. There are multiple layers, and reasons for our decision, but looking at the capitalistic, free market angle, this band, like any other small business, is cutting ties with a partner that continues to cut into our bottom line. On that level, this problem is really that simple.
Of course, no system or business is perfect, but we have alternatives to Spotify that allow the band to be compensated in a more sustainable way, and without the need to associate ourselves with dangerous lies about public health policy.
If you want to buy lossless digital versions of our entire catalogue, we encourage you to purchase our music on Bandcamp: failureband.bandcamp.com
If you want to stream our music, we continue to offer our music through Apple and other streaming services.
Sincerely,We encourage other artists who want to be paid better for their music, and who don’t want to be in business with a company who is comfortable jeopardizing the industry to which they owe their entire business model, to join us.
Failure
“It should also be acknowledged that many younger musicians, and many musicians of all ages, rely on platforms like this to gain exposure to a wider audience and share their music with the world.
Not everyone is able to take steps like this which is all the more reason that platforms like Spotify must be more responsible and accountable for the content they are obligated to moderate for the good of the public at large.”
(Jeff Tweedy, Sydney 2007)
“Put yer good money on the sunrise”
(Tim Rogers)