Neil, Joni, Nils, and everyone else who's pulled their music From Spotify
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Anyone after her seems disingenuous to me. But who cares.eddiec said:
Joni has pretty much shied away from the public since...about 1976. Almost to the point of being a recluse for the last twenty years.nicknyr15 said:
And publicitydarthvedder said:I get the feeling this is becoming more about the pittance artists get from Spotify than about misinformation.0 -
While the royalty rates are pitiful, that's not what Neil cared about here. So while I generally like to read Pitchfork, they are completely off teh mark since that's not the point.Tim Simmons said:0 -
Thats not the point of Neil's problem. But the article makes the point to go bigger. Spotify is problematic. Especially if you like music and enjoy supporting musicians. And the article is right.
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Rogan differs from your average conspiracist YouTuber in the size and dedication of his audience, and in the fact that Spotify pays him directly and handsomely for the privilege of hosting his show. And in that sense, the special emphasis that Young, Mitchell, and the coalition of medical professionals before them have given to the Spotify-Rogan relationship isn’t misplaced. But it says something depressing about the level of public concern for the plight of working musicians that Spotify’s ethics became the object of mainstream scrutiny only after the company was forced to defend its position on long-simmering anxieties about online media in general, rather than the issues of fair compensation that activists have raised about music streaming platforms in particular.
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Spotify is a problem, but so is Apple, Amazon and google music. Sure streaming is a problem. Spotify is specifically a problem because of Joe Rogan. The rest are an industry issue, not a Spotify one in particular. Why would NY make this about a whole different economic issue when he is upset of about vaccine misinformation? If he makes it about streaming in general, then Rogan is off teh hook and the conversation moves. The article is right in the sense that they make a good point about royalties. It's just irrelevant to Neil's cause. So it's both right and not germane.Tim Simmons said:Thats not the point of Neil's problem. But the article makes the point to go bigger. Spotify is problematic. Especially if you like music and enjoy supporting musicians. And the article is right.
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he was refering to AJ as the truther buddy.tempo_n_groove said:
He's not a Sandy Hook hoax kind of guy. That is just false.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Rather have "Paul is dead and him walking barefoot on Abbey Road proves it" conspiracy theories than the ones Joe Rogan's Sandy Hook-truther buddies cook up.drakeheuer14 said:I don’t want to live in a world without conspiracy theories. While 95% are bs, they can still be fun to read and listen about
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HughFreakingDillon said:
no, good friends. joe has admitted on his show, however, that he truly believes Alex has some mental health issues.tempo_n_groove said:
He's friend with that muck raker? I thought he just interviewed him?HughFreakingDillon said:
no, he's not. spiritual said "buddies", as in Alex Jones.tempo_n_groove said:
He's not a Sandy Hook hoax kind of guy. That is just false.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Rather have "Paul is dead and him walking barefoot on Abbey Road proves it" conspiracy theories than the ones Joe Rogan's Sandy Hook-truther buddies cook up.drakeheuer14 said:I don’t want to live in a world without conspiracy theories. While 95% are bs, they can still be fun to read and listen about
and drinks on air with him to set him off.
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brianlux said:darthvedder said:I get the feeling this is becoming more about the pittance artists get from Spotify than about misinformation.
Really? Have you read the statement made by the artists? I don't get that feeling at all. This think it has been and still is about a famous podcaster spreading misinformation about a deadly disease.I read this statement by the band Failure today and that's why I said "becoming":Failure have wrestled with the question of Spotify and whether to have our newest music, which we control, on the platform. Until now, our ambivalence about Spotify has been based on their draconian royalty calculation which essentially gives artists a microscopic fraction of the money being generated by their music on the platform. We’ve all seen the stories of just how little Spotify pays artists whose product powers their entire business model. It’s been a scam for artists since the beginning, following in the tradition of the major label model which preceded it.
But artists who want to have their music heard by the most ears possible have had an tough decision to make. Do we give our music to a company that devalues our product to the point where royalty checks from Spotify have become the butt of humorous memes, or do we withhold our music from the platform and supposedly miss out on an “entire generation of music listeners?”
That is exactly where Failure have been since 2015 when we released our first album since reuniting. Acquiescing to the desire for more ear holes. But now, with Spotify’s recent policy shift that allows COVID vaccine misinformation to thrive on their platform, Failure have decided that enough is enough.
Beyond the moral issues raised by Spotify’s COVID decision, the issue of vaccine misinformation and how it directly affects the current situation in the live music space is simply untenable. Right now, Failure have a 31-date US tour booked for June. The last tour we had booked in 2019 was canceled because of COVID, which was a massive financial blow to the band. The vast majority of venues on our upcoming tour are requiring proof of vaccination or a negative test to see our show. We simply cannot square Spotify’s insistence on spreading misinformation about something that directly endangers our band’s supply chain, namely, human beings in a room with big speakers. There are multiple layers, and reasons for our decision, but looking at the capitalistic, free market angle, this band, like any other small business, is cutting ties with a partner that continues to cut into our bottom line. On that level, this problem is really that simple.
Of course, no system or business is perfect, but we have alternatives to Spotify that allow the band to be compensated in a more sustainable way, and without the need to associate ourselves with dangerous lies about public health policy.
If you want to buy lossless digital versions of our entire catalogue, we encourage you to purchase our music on Bandcamp: failureband.bandcamp.com
If you want to stream our music, we continue to offer our music through Apple and other streaming services.
Sincerely,
We encourage other artists who want to be paid better for their music, and who don’t want to be in business with a company who is comfortable jeopardizing the industry to which they owe their entire business model, to join us.
Failure
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I like that Graham Nash included this in his statement, acknowledging that some artists depend on Spotify and are not in a position to take their music off.
“It should also be acknowledged that many younger musicians, and many musicians of all ages, rely on platforms like this to gain exposure to a wider audience and share their music with the world.Not everyone is able to take steps like this which is all the more reason that platforms like Spotify must be more responsible and accountable for the content they are obligated to moderate for the good of the public at large.”
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This was answered a while ago...mickeyrat said:
he was refering to AJ as the truther buddy.tempo_n_groove said:
He's not a Sandy Hook hoax kind of guy. That is just false.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Rather have "Paul is dead and him walking barefoot on Abbey Road proves it" conspiracy theories than the ones Joe Rogan's Sandy Hook-truther buddies cook up.drakeheuer14 said:I don’t want to live in a world without conspiracy theories. While 95% are bs, they can still be fun to read and listen about0 -
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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Spiritual_Chaos said:
I get excited when I hear/read about an artist I HAVE heard of, lol. There is just only so much one can absorb and learn about...2-feign-reluctance said:
She’s awesome! Talented musician for sure.tempo_n_groove said:
It's like me asking if you have heard of Oliver Tree. Most likely not. Action Bronson? The Alchemist?0 -
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Spiritual_Chaos said:
To be fair, I didn't know about her either, but looking at here record sales, she is definitely well know by many... and now me too!
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Writing "who?" loads the question with something else/more than questioning who the person is, because that is one google away.brianlux said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
To be fair, I didn't know about her either, but looking at here record sales, she is definitely well know by many... and now me too!
My perception, but people writing "who?" about Nils Lofgren aren't doing it solely because they happen to not know who this SWEDISH POWERHOUSE OF A MUSICIAN is."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
I googled her and still had no idea WTF she was so calm down Hoss.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Writing "who?" loads the question with something else/more than questioning who the person is, because that is one google away.brianlux said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
To be fair, I didn't know about her either, but looking at here record sales, she is definitely well know by many... and now me too!
My perception, but people writing "who?" about Nils Lofgren aren't doing it solely because they happen to not know who this SWEDISH POWERHOUSE OF A MUSICIAN is.0 -
JOE ROGAN THE UNITERPost edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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