Joni Mitchell is leaving Spotify

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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,931
    edited January 2022
    But she isn’t actively selling it to listeners daily. On top of that, we aren’t losing 2000+ Americans a day from a pandemic of morgellons “sufferers”. 

    And GMOs, yeah, they aren’t an issue. But who is it hurting other than poor Monsanto (the same one who has products that have been linked to increased risk of cancer, and the same one who sued farmers for using seed from a harvest that grew from their plant on the grounds of patent violation). Anti GMO has created a side food production industry. 

    And if you want to make the argument that believing in one conspiracy theory leads to more, fine, but that brings us back to Rogan who perpetuates this stuff weekly, by “just asking questions”. 

    It’s not apples to apples, it’s all fruit. But boiling it down, only ones disinformation is helping to contribute to people to make a dis-informed choice that could very well lead to their or someone else’s death. 
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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,931
    edited January 2022
    But I guess ideological purity and consistency are the only way to legitimately speak out against something. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,918
    Spotify has lost 4 billion in market value since Young made his announcement.  Now the market has been in correction territory all week, but this number far exceeds the general loss.  https://www.businessinsider.com/spotifys-shares-dropped-by-12-after-neil-young-pulls-music-2022-1

    Further, Spotify is putting up disclaimer and Rogan is apologizing.  I'd say the strategy is working so far.  If a couple big dogs like Sir Paul or Bruce follow suit, this is going to be painful and will require a re-calibration by Spotify.  

    https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-rogan-apologizes-spotify-covid-misinformation-neil-young-joni-mitchell-2022-1
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,147
    edited January 2022
    Tim Simmons said:
    But she isn’t actively selling it to listeners daily. On top of that, we aren’t losing 2000+ Americans a day from a pandemic of morgellons “sufferers”. 

    And GMOs, yeah, they aren’t an issue. But who is it hurting other than poor Monsanto (the same one who has products that have been linked to increased risk of cancer, and the same one who sued farmers for using seed from a harvest that grew from their plant on the grounds of patent violation). Anti GMO has created a side food production industry. 

    And if you want to make the argument that believing in one conspiracy theory leads to more, fine, but that brings us back to Rogan who perpetuates this stuff weekly, by “just asking questions”. 

    It’s not apples to apples, it’s all fruit. But boiling it down, only ones disinformation is helping to contribute to people to make a dis-informed choice that could very well lead to their or someone else’s death. 
    This is exactly the point, if you contribute to disinformation, you don't just get a pass because now you are against a certain type of disinfo.  Believe me there are people out there that are anti vax because they followed the chemtrails morgellons conspiracy wormhole through Joni Mitchell, sure she isn't peddling that crap daily like rogan, but she has been consistently talking about anti science shit for over a decade that created an environment that fosters distrust in science.  This isn't a purity standard its just calling out hypocrisy.  

    Hell I even believe like neil that GMO's are bad, even though there is no science supporting the claim that GMO foods are inherently bad for you.  Which makes me a spreader of disinformation for following my gut and ignoring the experts.  

    This quote from neil sounds pretty familiar in these circumstances  ""I'm just a rocker who believes that people should know what they're eating," 

    In regards to suing a farmer who stole Monsanto's product, so now a company is bad when someone steals their intellectual property and tries to profit off of it?

    And yes pesticides are bad whether they are made by monsanto or whomever, but that doesn't make GMO food bad or set the stage for labelling food as GMOs. 

    As for who is hurting other than monsanto due to people following anti science GMO conspiracies, well anyone who got hooked on the GMOs are bad train and continued doing their own research on what other things they are being lied to about that are bad for their health etc.

    Rogan is like lighting a box of matches on fire with his bs and Neil and Joni are like candles sure, but their fuel is BS just the same.
    Scio me nihil scire

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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,931
    edited January 2022
    I agree.

    well, not with the GMOs are bad thing. I maybe they are, but I’ll listen to scientists. 
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,599
    mrussel1 said:
    Spotify has lost 4 billion in market value since Young made his announcement.  Now the market has been in correction territory all week, but this number far exceeds the general loss.  https://www.businessinsider.com/spotifys-shares-dropped-by-12-after-neil-young-pulls-music-2022-1

    Further, Spotify is putting up disclaimer and Rogan is apologizing.  I'd say the strategy is working so far.  If a couple big dogs like Sir Paul or Bruce follow suit, this is going to be painful and will require a re-calibration by Spotify.  

    https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-rogan-apologizes-spotify-covid-misinformation-neil-young-joni-mitchell-2022-1
    I put up a chart in another thread that shows spotify's value trending w all the other markets that are in a downturn.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,918
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spotify has lost 4 billion in market value since Young made his announcement.  Now the market has been in correction territory all week, but this number far exceeds the general loss.  https://www.businessinsider.com/spotifys-shares-dropped-by-12-after-neil-young-pulls-music-2022-1

    Further, Spotify is putting up disclaimer and Rogan is apologizing.  I'd say the strategy is working so far.  If a couple big dogs like Sir Paul or Bruce follow suit, this is going to be painful and will require a re-calibration by Spotify.  

    https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-rogan-apologizes-spotify-covid-misinformation-neil-young-joni-mitchell-2022-1
    I put up a chart in another thread that shows spotify's value trending w all the other markets that are in a downturn.
    I presume it showed SPOT down more than others.  Here it is compared to NFLX, which is a pretty good comp.  You can see up till the 27th, they tracked perfectly.  Both rebounding today. SPOT is the lighter blue (lower line)


  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,564
    edited January 2022
    I'm not allowed to buy or sell stocks in the company I work at for the moment. because I am "logged" due to Q4 result info. 

    I wonder if Daniel Ek kan sell his Spotify shares right now...
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,965
    Some fascinating discussion and points being made here.  I'll keep my thoughts to myself, but I'm left wondering if it is time to buy Spotify stock or short it.  ;)
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,918
    bbiggs said:
    Some fascinating discussion and points being made here.  I'll keep my thoughts to myself, but I'm left wondering if it is time to buy Spotify stock or short it.  ;)
    Or stay the fuck away because who knows what will happen...
  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,965
    mrussel1 said:
    bbiggs said:
    Some fascinating discussion and points being made here.  I'll keep my thoughts to myself, but I'm left wondering if it is time to buy Spotify stock or short it.  ;)
    Or stay the fuck away because who knows what will happen...
    Ha...yep!  Interesting story line to watch from afar.  I would guess McCartney stays out of it, but like you said, if he jumped on the bandwagon that would shake things up.

  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,973
    :)
    See https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/291381/neil-joni-nils-and-everyone-else-whos-pulled-their-music-from-spotify#latest

    Falling down,...not staying down
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