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Joni Mitchell is leaving Spotify

Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,520
edited January 2022 in Other Music
Stands in solidaratity with Neil Young and the science community. 



So Joni and Neil.

Silence from Pearl Jam and other artists so far. Hopefully some younger other follow suit before this dies out. Or David Crosby. A young happening artist or David.  
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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  • eddieceddiec Posts: 3,881
    David needs every .07 cents he gets from Spotify.
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,525
    That’s what’s great about the freedom of choice! Glad she’s standing for what she believes..
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • helplessdancerhelplessdancer Posts: 5,272
    you gotta stand for something, or you'll fall for anything.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,027
    Right on Joni.
    Would be great to see Pearl Jam follow suit. 
    It would be particularly great to see some of the younger bands and artist do the same thing.  Activism is not just a boomer thing.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,520
    edited January 2022
    Pearl Jam leaving would have impact. 

    I'm hoping it's due to them being five people having to get on a zoom call and agree on it to make it happen that it hasn't happened yet, and not because of @dankind depressing perspective he sometimes throws out.

    But who knows in the era of Funko pops.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • jerparker20jerparker20 Posts: 2,501
    So there’s a rumor on the socials that the Foo Fighters will also pull out of Spotify. Nothing to support the claims though.

    More artists should just due to the low pay rate. I read this morning that Spotify pays out approximately $2 per every 1,000 streams to an artist. Apple is around $5 per thousand plays. Amazon Unlimited, which I use, is around $10 per 1,000.
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,520
    edited January 2022
    jerparker20 said:
    So there’s a rumor on the socials that the Foo Fighters will also pull out of Spotify. Nothing to support the claims though.

    More artists should just due to the low pay rate. I read this morning that Spotify pays out approximately $2 per every 1,000 streams to an artist. Apple is around $5 per thousand plays. Amazon Unlimited, which I use, is around $10 per 1,000.


    Don't know how verified it is. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • HobbesHobbes Posts: 6,423
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Stands in solidaratity with Neil Young and the science community. 



    So Joni and Neil.

    Silence from Pearl Jam and other artists so far. Hopefully some younger other follow suit before this dies out. Or David Crosby. A young happening artist or David.  

  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,520
    edited January 2022
    Is this why it's so quiet from Bobby Boy Dylan and Bruce Springy Springsteen?

    David just want to be Neils friend again. Cute.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,075
    Starting a "Will Pearl Jam join Joni Mitchell in leaving Spotify?" thread in PJc right now
  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,439
    Tim Simmons said:
    Starting a "Will Pearl Jam join Joni Mitchell in leaving Spotify?" thread in PJc right now
    Gold 
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,520
    edited January 2022
    Tim Simmons said:
    Starting a "Will Pearl Jam join Joni Mitchell in leaving Spotify?" thread in PJc right now
    @Sea locked the one on The Porch about this topic in regards to Neil Young.

    Something regarding "thread integrity derailed". Don't know what that means. Delete the posts that are derailing the thread integrity would be my cause of action.

    But maybe a Joni Mitchell thread would not lead to the same derailing by whoever derailed. 
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • jerparker20jerparker20 Posts: 2,501
    edited January 2022
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    jerparker20 said:
    So there’s a rumor on the socials that the Foo Fighters will also pull out of Spotify. Nothing to support the claims though.

    More artists should just due to the low pay rate. I read this morning that Spotify pays out approximately $2 per every 1,000 streams to an artist. Apple is around $5 per thousand plays. Amazon Unlimited, which I use, is around $10 per 1,000.


    Don't know how verified it is. 
    I’ve seen several different pay per stream rates. All seem to vary. The numbers I posted earlier came from an artist based off the checks received from each stream service. Of course, I can’t find the article now. If I come across it, I’ll post a link.

    As for Springsteen, Dylan, and others… I’m guessing when they sold their rights to their catalogs, they may have lost their ability to make such a call. Neil mentioned on the NYA (I believe) that his deal still allowed him a say on how his material is used.
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,075
    The T-Pain tweet is semi legit. He had the rates per stream listed originally and someone calculated the number of streams and changed his tweet. So while it looks wonky as a photoshop, the info is legit.


    Its funny that Napster changed the world, but stole from artists, and now they compensate artists the most.




  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,075
    The real solution is to buy from bandcamp, they compensate artists the best, plus if its a physical item you buy, you get free DLs in Wav/FLAC/and various sized (your choice) mp3. 


    Every artst should have a bandcamp page.

  • AW124797AW124797 Posts: 669
    edited January 2022
    Tim Simmons said:
    Starting a "Will Pearl Jam join Joni Mitchell in leaving Spotify?" thread in PJc right now
    Haha. Yes, please! Fun following same topic at Joni in Other, Neil in Other, Rogan in AMT and Will PJ join Neil in Porch. Always handy to have a spare thread.
    Post edited by AW124797 on
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,520
    Tim Simmons said:
    The real solution is to buy from bandcamp, they compensate artists the best, plus if its a physical item you buy, you get free DLs in Wav/FLAC/and various sized (your choice) mp3. 


    Every artst should have a bandcamp page.

    In what way would not the label still be a gatekeeper (maybe the wrong word but whatever) for what the artist gets?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,520


    www.digitalmusicnews.com
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,027
    Tim Simmons said:
    The real solution is to buy from bandcamp, they compensate artists the best, plus if its a physical item you buy, you get free DLs in Wav/FLAC/and various sized (your choice) mp3. 


    Every artst should have a bandcamp page.


    I don't do much digital music except to sample it or play CDs in the car, but from what I know of Bandcamp, they're a fine outfit that supports artists.  That would probably be my go-to if I were into digital formats. 
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
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  • drakeheuer14drakeheuer14 Posts: 4,467
    This is so funny. Might as well leave Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc as well because Joe Rogan has an account. Leave the US because he lives here. Stop playing live shows anywhere that he has also performed in. Sheesh
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,520
    Also. I would imagine Warner, Sony, Universal etc could get together and make a streaming solution supporting artists better. 

    Tidal was to be artist centric - but seems to be beaten by Napster and still seems to not give enough per stream for artists. 

    Is the overhead of running the service such that is isn't feasible for artists to make old-fashioned CD-selling money off it. Or what is stopping them?

    I'd like to see a service where I can in a nice little piechart everymonth see where my money went. If let's say the service take 30% of the $10 I pay per month. Then for the rest, I would like to see what percentage of my $7 goes to Pearl Jam, Joni Mitchell, Taylor Swift and so on. And if I only listened to Pearl Jam bootlegs for a month my $7 should go in full to them.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,520
    drakeheuer14 said:
    This is so funny. Might as well leave Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc as well because Joe Rogan has an account. Leave the US because he lives here. Stop playing live shows anywhere that he has also performed in. Sheesh
    That is not why Neil is leaving Spotify. 

    So, you seem to be the funny one here. Not understanding why he is leaving Spotify. 

    Easy to be ignorant. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,471
    Will be hilarious to see some contemporary band get hoodwinked into this only to watch their catalogue stealthily go back up a couple months later 
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,027
    drakeheuer14 said:
    This is so funny. Might as well leave Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc as well because Joe Rogan has an account. Leave the US because he lives here. Stop playing live shows anywhere that he has also performed in. Sheesh

    You forgot the planet.

    :eyeroll:
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • drakeheuer14drakeheuer14 Posts: 4,467
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    drakeheuer14 said:
    This is so funny. Might as well leave Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc as well because Joe Rogan has an account. Leave the US because he lives here. Stop playing live shows anywhere that he has also performed in. Sheesh
    That is not why Neil is leaving Spotify. 

    So, you seem to be the funny one here. Not understanding why he is leaving Spotify. 

    Easy to be ignorant. 
    Lies are spread everyday, everywhere by so many people. So this little stance if you will is hilarious. 

    Where is the block feature again? Maybe they should put you in forum jail again. I didn’t call you funny, ass. 
    Pittsburgh 2013
    Cincinnati 2014
    Greenville 2016
    (Raleigh 2016)
    Columbia 2016
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,520
    drakeheuer14 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    drakeheuer14 said:
    This is so funny. Might as well leave Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc as well because Joe Rogan has an account. Leave the US because he lives here. Stop playing live shows anywhere that he has also performed in. Sheesh
    That is not why Neil is leaving Spotify. 

    So, you seem to be the funny one here. Not understanding why he is leaving Spotify. 

    Easy to be ignorant. 
    Lies are spread everyday, everywhere by so many people. So this little stance if you will is hilarious. 

    Where is the block feature again? Maybe they should put you in forum jail again. I didn’t call you funny, ass. 
    I called you funny. But not "ass". You are welcome to call me "ass" though if you want to. I don't mind.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • drakeheuer14drakeheuer14 Posts: 4,467
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    drakeheuer14 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    drakeheuer14 said:
    This is so funny. Might as well leave Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc as well because Joe Rogan has an account. Leave the US because he lives here. Stop playing live shows anywhere that he has also performed in. Sheesh
    That is not why Neil is leaving Spotify. 

    So, you seem to be the funny one here. Not understanding why he is leaving Spotify. 

    Easy to be ignorant. 
    Lies are spread everyday, everywhere by so many people. So this little stance if you will is hilarious. 

    Where is the block feature again? Maybe they should put you in forum jail again. I didn’t call you funny, ass. 
    I called you funny. But not "ass". You are welcome to call me "ass" though if you want to. I don't mind.
    You decided to get personal. Again, can someone refresh my memory on how we block someone? You love to stir up shit and it’s old, 
    Pittsburgh 2013
    Cincinnati 2014
    Greenville 2016
    (Raleigh 2016)
    Columbia 2016
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,075
    edited January 2022
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    The real solution is to buy from bandcamp, they compensate artists the best, plus if its a physical item you buy, you get free DLs in Wav/FLAC/and various sized (your choice) mp3. 


    Every artst should have a bandcamp page.

    In what way would not the label still be a gatekeeper (maybe the wrong word but whatever) for what the artist gets?
    They still are. This benefits people who control their own music better.

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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,520
    drakeheuer14 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    drakeheuer14 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    drakeheuer14 said:
    This is so funny. Might as well leave Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc as well because Joe Rogan has an account. Leave the US because he lives here. Stop playing live shows anywhere that he has also performed in. Sheesh
    That is not why Neil is leaving Spotify. 

    So, you seem to be the funny one here. Not understanding why he is leaving Spotify. 

    Easy to be ignorant. 
    Lies are spread everyday, everywhere by so many people. So this little stance if you will is hilarious. 

    Where is the block feature again? Maybe they should put you in forum jail again. I didn’t call you funny, ass. 
    I called you funny. But not "ass". You are welcome to call me "ass" though if you want to. I don't mind.
    You decided to get personal. Again, can someone refresh my memory on how we block someone? You love to stir up shit and it’s old, 
    Sheesh
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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