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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,489
    Solid move to ban Russian oil…it seems anyhow. How I wish we had a president that could communicate though. Seems like forever.
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  • myoung321myoung321 Posts: 2,855
    edited March 2022
    Solid move to ban Russian oil…it seems anyhow. How I wish we had a president that could communicate though. Seems like forever.
    I worked in the Oil & Gas industry mainly in Pipeline and Logistics for 30 years... recently retired from one of the biggest companies...If I mentioned the name, you'd know it..... 

    I can tell you without hesitation this is a BS move. In 30 years I never heard of 1 drop of Russian oil going to any refineries in the US. 

    Dealt with oil from many countries.... NEVER RUSSIA


    Total BS... 

    Post edited by myoung321 on
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,840
    myoung321 said:
    Solid move to ban Russian oil…it seems anyhow. How I wish we had a president that could communicate though. Seems like forever.
    I worked in the Oil & Gas industry mainly in Pipeline and Logistics for 30 years... recently retired.

    I can tell you without hesitation this is a BS move. In 30 years I never heard of 1 drop of Russian oil going to any refineries in the US. 


    Total BS... 

    It's optics.  But the pressure from both parties on the topic was hard to resist, particularly if it doesn't make a difference to our production.
  • myoung321myoung321 Posts: 2,855
    mrussel1 said:
    myoung321 said:
    Solid move to ban Russian oil…it seems anyhow. How I wish we had a president that could communicate though. Seems like forever.
    I worked in the Oil & Gas industry mainly in Pipeline and Logistics for 30 years... recently retired.

    I can tell you without hesitation this is a BS move. In 30 years I never heard of 1 drop of Russian oil going to any refineries in the US. 


    Total BS... 

    It's optics.  But the pressure from both parties on the topic was hard to resist, particularly if it doesn't make a difference to our production.
    It's greed....  no IFs about it...it makes zero difference in our production.
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  • myoung321myoung321 Posts: 2,855
    We're more worried about who supplies Europe with LNG... follow the money
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,840
    myoung321 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    myoung321 said:
    Solid move to ban Russian oil…it seems anyhow. How I wish we had a president that could communicate though. Seems like forever.
    I worked in the Oil & Gas industry mainly in Pipeline and Logistics for 30 years... recently retired.

    I can tell you without hesitation this is a BS move. In 30 years I never heard of 1 drop of Russian oil going to any refineries in the US. 


    Total BS... 

    It's optics.  But the pressure from both parties on the topic was hard to resist, particularly if it doesn't make a difference to our production.
    It's greed....  no IFs about it...it makes zero difference in our production.
    Greed by who? The price per barrel is set by the commodities market. 
  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 14,149
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,416
    myoung321 said:
    Solid move to ban Russian oil…it seems anyhow. How I wish we had a president that could communicate though. Seems like forever.
    I worked in the Oil & Gas industry mainly in Pipeline and Logistics for 30 years... recently retired from one of the biggest companies...If I mentioned the name, you'd know it..... 

    I can tell you without hesitation this is a BS move. In 30 years I never heard of 1 drop of Russian oil going to any refineries in the US. 

    Dealt with oil from many countries.... NEVER RUSSIA


    Total BS... 

    So this is fake news? Includes oil to the strategic reserve, which wouldn't go to refineries. Although since some was released, I guess it will be.

    U.S. Imports from Russia of Crude Oil and Petroleum Products (Thousand Barrels) (eia.gov)

    Total Crude Oil and Products Imports from Russia (eia.gov)
    09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;

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  • myoung321myoung321 Posts: 2,855
    edited March 2022
    myoung321 said:
    Solid move to ban Russian oil…it seems anyhow. How I wish we had a president that could communicate though. Seems like forever.
    I worked in the Oil & Gas industry mainly in Pipeline and Logistics for 30 years... recently retired from one of the biggest companies...If I mentioned the name, you'd know it..... 

    I can tell you without hesitation this is a BS move. In 30 years I never heard of 1 drop of Russian oil going to any refineries in the US. 

    Dealt with oil from many countries.... NEVER RUSSIA


    Total BS... 

    So this is fake news? Includes oil to the strategic reserve, which wouldn't go to refineries. Although since some was released, I guess it will be.

    U.S. Imports from Russia of Crude Oil and Petroleum Products (Thousand Barrels) (eia.gov)

    Total Crude Oil and Products Imports from Russia (eia.gov)
    Those numbers prove my point... "Thousands of Barrels" 30 Thousand.. hahaha Pipelines that run 10k to 15k barrels per hour will think that's cute...

    We probably trade for those Russian barrels overseas to supply corporate and other assets in those parts of the world, when it saves money.. 
    Post edited by myoung321 on
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,684
    Shell Oil just bought Russian oil....big news a few days ago

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/08/energy/shell-russia-oil-ban/index.html
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,684
    myoung321 said:
    myoung321 said:
    Solid move to ban Russian oil…it seems anyhow. How I wish we had a president that could communicate though. Seems like forever.
    I worked in the Oil & Gas industry mainly in Pipeline and Logistics for 30 years... recently retired from one of the biggest companies...If I mentioned the name, you'd know it..... 

    I can tell you without hesitation this is a BS move. In 30 years I never heard of 1 drop of Russian oil going to any refineries in the US. 

    Dealt with oil from many countries.... NEVER RUSSIA


    Total BS... 

    So this is fake news? Includes oil to the strategic reserve, which wouldn't go to refineries. Although since some was released, I guess it will be.

    U.S. Imports from Russia of Crude Oil and Petroleum Products (Thousand Barrels) (eia.gov)

    Total Crude Oil and Products Imports from Russia (eia.gov)
    Those numbers prove my point... "Thousands of Barrels" 30 Thousand.. hahaha Pipelines that run 10k to 15k barrels per hour will think that's cute... 
    uh...you said no one buys 1 drop.  


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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,369
    myoung321 said:
    myoung321 said:
    Solid move to ban Russian oil…it seems anyhow. How I wish we had a president that could communicate though. Seems like forever.
    I worked in the Oil & Gas industry mainly in Pipeline and Logistics for 30 years... recently retired from one of the biggest companies...If I mentioned the name, you'd know it..... 

    I can tell you without hesitation this is a BS move. In 30 years I never heard of 1 drop of Russian oil going to any refineries in the US. 

    Dealt with oil from many countries.... NEVER RUSSIA


    Total BS... 

    So this is fake news? Includes oil to the strategic reserve, which wouldn't go to refineries. Although since some was released, I guess it will be.

    U.S. Imports from Russia of Crude Oil and Petroleum Products (Thousand Barrels) (eia.gov)

    Total Crude Oil and Products Imports from Russia (eia.gov)
    Those numbers prove my point... "Thousands of Barrels" 30 Thousand.. hahaha Pipelines that run 10k to 15k barrels per hour will think that's cute... 
    well, I get your point, it's a drop in the bucket, but you did say "not one drop of russian oil". 
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  • myoung321myoung321 Posts: 2,855
    myoung321 said:
    myoung321 said:
    Solid move to ban Russian oil…it seems anyhow. How I wish we had a president that could communicate though. Seems like forever.
    I worked in the Oil & Gas industry mainly in Pipeline and Logistics for 30 years... recently retired from one of the biggest companies...If I mentioned the name, you'd know it..... 

    I can tell you without hesitation this is a BS move. In 30 years I never heard of 1 drop of Russian oil going to any refineries in the US. 

    Dealt with oil from many countries.... NEVER RUSSIA


    Total BS... 

    So this is fake news? Includes oil to the strategic reserve, which wouldn't go to refineries. Although since some was released, I guess it will be.

    U.S. Imports from Russia of Crude Oil and Petroleum Products (Thousand Barrels) (eia.gov)

    Total Crude Oil and Products Imports from Russia (eia.gov)
    Those numbers prove my point... "Thousands of Barrels" 30 Thousand.. hahaha Pipelines that run 10k to 15k barrels per hour will think that's cute... 
    uh...you said no one buys 1 drop.  


    never said, that,,,,, but I will say None is refined to make gasoline in the US
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  • myoung321myoung321 Posts: 2,855
    edited March 2022
    myoung321 said:
    myoung321 said:
    Solid move to ban Russian oil…it seems anyhow. How I wish we had a president that could communicate though. Seems like forever.
    I worked in the Oil & Gas industry mainly in Pipeline and Logistics for 30 years... recently retired from one of the biggest companies...If I mentioned the name, you'd know it..... 

    I can tell you without hesitation this is a BS move. In 30 years I never heard of 1 drop of Russian oil going to any refineries in the US. 

    Dealt with oil from many countries.... NEVER RUSSIA


    Total BS... 

    So this is fake news? Includes oil to the strategic reserve, which wouldn't go to refineries. Although since some was released, I guess it will be.

    U.S. Imports from Russia of Crude Oil and Petroleum Products (Thousand Barrels) (eia.gov)

    Total Crude Oil and Products Imports from Russia (eia.gov)
    Those numbers prove my point... "Thousands of Barrels" 30 Thousand.. hahaha Pipelines that run 10k to 15k barrels per hour will think that's cute... 
    well, I get your point, it's a drop in the bucket, but you did say "not one drop of russian oil". 
    I did say... "Russian oil going to any refineries"... 

    Refineries make actual GASOLINE and other products.. trading oil is not the same.. 


    I can only tell you what I saw personally in my 30 year 
    career with a major oil company's Pipeline and Logistics Dept. We controlled all US pipelines in and out of every refinery in the US for that Company ... 

    Post edited by myoung321 on
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,416
    myoung321 said:
    myoung321 said:
    myoung321 said:
    Solid move to ban Russian oil…it seems anyhow. How I wish we had a president that could communicate though. Seems like forever.
    I worked in the Oil & Gas industry mainly in Pipeline and Logistics for 30 years... recently retired from one of the biggest companies...If I mentioned the name, you'd know it..... 

    I can tell you without hesitation this is a BS move. In 30 years I never heard of 1 drop of Russian oil going to any refineries in the US. 

    Dealt with oil from many countries.... NEVER RUSSIA


    Total BS... 

    So this is fake news? Includes oil to the strategic reserve, which wouldn't go to refineries. Although since some was released, I guess it will be.

    U.S. Imports from Russia of Crude Oil and Petroleum Products (Thousand Barrels) (eia.gov)

    Total Crude Oil and Products Imports from Russia (eia.gov)
    Those numbers prove my point... "Thousands of Barrels" 30 Thousand.. hahaha Pipelines that run 10k to 15k barrels per hour will think that's cute... 
    uh...you said no one buys 1 drop.  


    never said, that,,,,, but I will say None is refined to make gasoline in the US
    December '21 shows almost 8 million barrels being purchased as "unfinished oil" and almost 3 million as "crude oil." If said oils are for the strategic reserve, then some of it was recently released and refined into gasoline. The chart below is in "thousands of barrels." Add three zeros to the number.

    Total Russian imports of petroleum products is 8% of US demand daily. Not significant but not without impact, minor as it may be. Not "total BS" as you posit.

    U.S. Imports from Russia (eia.gov)
    09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;

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  • dankinddankind Posts: 20,839
    Bottom line: Suspending US imports of Russian oil will hurt Putin and his war. Refining Russian oil in the US doesn’t put a single ruble more in Putin’s war coffers.

    Also, here’s a brief lesson on how trading markets work from Seth Klarman. 

    Seth Klarman tells a story about sardines disappearing from their traditional habitat off the Monterey, Calif., shores, causing commodity traders to bid the price of sardines up to soaring levels. Then, along comes a buyer who decides that he wants to treat himself to an expensive meal and actually starts eating the sardines. He immediately gets ill and tells the seller that the sardines were no good. The seller quickly responds, "You don't understand. These are not eating sardines; they are trading sardines!"

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  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    I know everyone here loves Fox News....


    MSNBC's Joy Reid: World paying attention to Ukraine because it's a 'White ... Christian nation'

    Joy Reid said, 'Let’s face it, the world is paying attention because this is happening in Europe'


  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,078
    JB16057 said:
    I know everyone here loves Fox News....


    MSNBC's Joy Reid: World paying attention to Ukraine because it's a 'White ... Christian nation'

    Joy Reid said, 'Let’s face it, the world is paying attention because this is happening in Europe'


    Yeah but what's your point from posting this? She's not necessarily wrong.
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,576
    JB16057 said:
    I know everyone here loves Fox News....


    MSNBC's Joy Reid: World paying attention to Ukraine because it's a 'White ... Christian nation'

    Joy Reid said, 'Let’s face it, the world is paying attention because this is happening in Europe'


    So, what are you saying?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • dankinddankind Posts: 20,839
    edited March 2022
    Two divisive opinions by two divisive people pretending to be journalists who are just shouting into their respective divisive echo chambers? 



    Post edited by dankind on
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,919
    edited March 2022
    JB16057 said:
    I know everyone here loves Fox News....


    MSNBC's Joy Reid: World paying attention to Ukraine because it's a 'White ... Christian nation'

    Joy Reid said, 'Let’s face it, the world is paying attention because this is happening in Europe'


    Yeah but what's your point from posting this? She's not necessarily wrong.
    Okay but it's her own network MSNBC (and the others) that has chosen to focus on this Ukraine/Russia war. There's a civil war going on in Ethiopia right now. There's been several war crimes, it's a humanitarian crisis, and I'll wager a guess there's not many white Christians in Ethiopia....yet no coverage on The Joy Reid Show.....that I'm aware of anyway. 
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    JB16057 said:
    I know everyone here loves Fox News....


    MSNBC's Joy Reid: World paying attention to Ukraine because it's a 'White ... Christian nation'

    Joy Reid said, 'Let’s face it, the world is paying attention because this is happening in Europe'


    I was actually just thinking about this exact thing the other day. the other factor.....third world country wars don't have the capacity to impact life all over the planet should it go sideways. 

    But she's right. There are a few factors; resources, demographics, etc. this has been the same through every conflict since the advent of TV. 
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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,078
    edited March 2022
    JB16057 said:
    I know everyone here loves Fox News....


    MSNBC's Joy Reid: World paying attention to Ukraine because it's a 'White ... Christian nation'

    Joy Reid said, 'Let’s face it, the world is paying attention because this is happening in Europe'


    Yeah but what's your point from posting this? She's not necessarily wrong.
    Okay but it's her own network MSNBC (and the others) that has chosen to focus on this Ukraine/Russia war. There's a civil war going on in Ethiopia right now. There's been several war crimes, it's a humanitarian crisis, and I'll wager a guess there's not many white Christians in Ethiopia....yet no coverage on The Joy Reid Show.....that I'm aware of anyway. 
    Regardless of whether there's a racial slant to it it's (the war) a big fucking deal. What I'm saying is she's not necessarily wrong in her statement. Both can be true. Not sure what's trying to be proved here.
  • RoleModelsinBlood31RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,176
    Yeah, this is a war crime.  Killing an elderly couple at a stop sign is fucked.

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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,576
    edited March 2022
    This, together with Swedish tradition, was the Left Party's reason over here to vote No on Sweden sending weapons. 

    A very privileged criticism to be able to ponder and have though, at a time when Russia is invading their land and murdering their people (children) deliberately.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,078
    This, together with Swedish tradition, was the Left Party's reason over here to vote No on Sweden sending weapons. 

    A very privileged criticism at a time when Russia is invading their land and murdering their people (children) deliberately.
    No doubt, but valid criticism nonetheless. Not like these approaches have bit us in the ass before or anything...
  • dankinddankind Posts: 20,839
    I thought that more guns is always the answer, though.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,919

    Well this is at least an actual criticism. If the other one you're talking about when you say "also" is the Joy Reid thing, that's more a complaint about the coverage than an actual criticism about anything relevant to the war. 

    As for Omar here, good for her. I doubt there's many other Democrats that would publicly say that. And I wouldn't be surprised if there's people in her party angry with her for it. But that's one thing I'll give the so-called "Squad." I may not agree with many of their stances, but at least they don't tow the party-line like most Democrats and Republicans do. 
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,576
    edited March 2022
    This, together with Swedish tradition, was the Left Party's reason over here to vote No on Sweden sending weapons. 

    A very privileged criticism at a time when Russia is invading their land and murdering their people (children) deliberately.
    No doubt, but valid criticism nonetheless. Not like these approaches have bit us in the ass before or anything...
    I live in the Swedish epicenter of smuggled rifles and handgrenades from the balkan war. 

    I still think the criticism is next to moot when their people are being slaughtered, and they have to do what they have to keep Putin at bay. What should we do instead? Send baseball bats or pepper spray?
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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