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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,529
    What is the difference between "sending in people" vs "sending in weapons". 

    Why is "sending in weapons" not seen as an act of war by Putin?
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,602
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    What is the difference between "sending in people" vs "sending in weapons". 

    Why is "sending in weapons" not seen as an act of war by Putin?

    its different aid isnt direct conflict.
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Posts: 19,258
    mrussel1 said:
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    A very stable genius.

    Putin says Ukraine’s forces should ‘take power’ from Zelensky and ‘neo-Nazis’ in Kyiv

    Russian President Vladimir Putin has called on Ukraine’s armed forces to “take power” from the democratically elected government of President Volodymyr Zelensky, underscoring Putin’s determination to drive the Ukrainian leader from office.

    Addressing his hawkish Security Council by video link on Friday, Putin claimed “neo-Nazis” in Ukraine had placed heavy weapons in residential neighborhoods in cities like Kyiv and Kharkiv, saying they were “acting like terrorists” and using women, children, wives and elderly people “as human shields.”

    He said Russia’s main fight was not against the regular armed but what he called neo-Nazi gangs.

    Putin also claimed without evidence that the United States was advising these forces to deploy heavy weapons in civilian areas.

    His aggressive tone came just hours after the Kremlin said it would send a delegation to Minsk to negotiate Ukraine’s neutrality — while making it clear that nothing less than its capitulation would suffice.

    Putin said if Ukrainian armed forces seized power, “it would be easier to come to terms with you than this gang of drug addicts and neo-Nazis who have settled in Kyiv and taken the entire Ukrainian people hostage.”

    This is of course a pretext but the neo-nazi problem in Ukraine is true and big..
    It's true, but I don't know how big. 
    I don't know either but it's there..

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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Posts: 19,258
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    A very stable genius.

    Putin says Ukraine’s forces should ‘take power’ from Zelensky and ‘neo-Nazis’ in Kyiv

    Russian President Vladimir Putin has called on Ukraine’s armed forces to “take power” from the democratically elected government of President Volodymyr Zelensky, underscoring Putin’s determination to drive the Ukrainian leader from office.

    Addressing his hawkish Security Council by video link on Friday, Putin claimed “neo-Nazis” in Ukraine had placed heavy weapons in residential neighborhoods in cities like Kyiv and Kharkiv, saying they were “acting like terrorists” and using women, children, wives and elderly people “as human shields.”

    He said Russia’s main fight was not against the regular armed but what he called neo-Nazi gangs.

    Putin also claimed without evidence that the United States was advising these forces to deploy heavy weapons in civilian areas.

    His aggressive tone came just hours after the Kremlin said it would send a delegation to Minsk to negotiate Ukraine’s neutrality — while making it clear that nothing less than its capitulation would suffice.

    Putin said if Ukrainian armed forces seized power, “it would be easier to come to terms with you than this gang of drug addicts and neo-Nazis who have settled in Kyiv and taken the entire Ukrainian people hostage.”

    This is of course a pretext but the neo-nazi problem in Ukraine is true and big..
    It's true, but I don't know how big. 
    Didn't we train them too?
    Not sure..

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    https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/congress-has-removed-a-ban-on-funding-neo-nazis-from-its-year-end-spending-bill/

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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    If NATO gets involved militarily then it is  WW3,  is there something stopping non NATO countries from supplying troops to Ukraine?  
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,602
    Meltdown99 said:
    If NATO gets involved militarily then it is  WW3,  is there something stopping non NATO countries from supplying troops to Ukraine?  

    putins threat?
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,442
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Defending the wrong side of history. So proud.


    Good lord. Is this the Ukraine thread? Or the Trump meme thread? 
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,367
    edited February 2022
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Defending the wrong side of history. So proud.


    Please show me where I defended trump. All I said was if you’re going to make fun of trump for deferring the draft, you should know Biden did it 1 more time. That’s not defending draft dodging, it’s pointing out the silliness of that meme.
    Post fat pictures of trump all you want, it doesn’t bother me and it doesn’t change the facts of draft deferent. 
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,639
    At what point should the NHL be boycotted? It is absurd star Russian athletes make millions on the backs of a free American economy and taxpayer financed arenas when their leader threatened us with a nuke.
  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,442
    Lerxst1992 said:
    At what point should the NHL be boycotted? It is absurd star Russian athletes make millions on the backs of a free American economy and taxpayer financed arenas when their leader threatened us with a nuke.
    Are you kidding me? While the rangers are having their best season in a long time? No. 
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,529
    edited February 2022
    mickeyrat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    What is the difference between "sending in people" vs "sending in weapons". 

    Why is "sending in weapons" not seen as an act of war by Putin?

    its different aid isnt direct conflict.
    Weird arbitrary rules.

    The rules and loopholes of the board game called "war" are just so weird. 
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,529
    Lerxst1992 said:
    At what point should the NHL be boycotted? It is absurd star Russian athletes make millions on the backs of a free American economy and taxpayer financed arenas when their leader threatened us with a nuke.
    What a take.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,639
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    At what point should the NHL be boycotted? It is absurd star Russian athletes make millions on the backs of a free American economy and taxpayer financed arenas when their leader threatened us with a nuke.
    What a take.

    Let’s just hand their elite athletes tens of millions of dollars in taxpayer funded arenas. Nothing screams fight for  freedom louder.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,031
    nicknyr15 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Defending the wrong side of history. So proud.


    Good lord. Is this the Ukraine thread? Or the Trump meme thread? 
    It’s the loosen the belt to defend Ukraine thread, after someone ties his shoes. Manly, no?
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,031
    mace1229 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Defending the wrong side of history. So proud.


    Please show me where I defended trump. All I said was if you’re going to make fun of trump for deferring the draft, you should know Biden did it 1 more time. That’s not defending draft dodging, it’s pointing out the silliness of that meme.
    Post fat pictures of trump all you want, it doesn’t bother me and it doesn’t change the facts of draft deferent. 
    President Biden is still fit for the draft. And as CIC, is serving his nation while POOTWH is an enemy within.  But same/same.


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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,282
    mace1229 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Defending the wrong side of history. So proud.


    Please show me where I defended trump. All I said was if you’re going to make fun of trump for deferring the draft, you should know Biden did it 1 more time. That’s not defending draft dodging, it’s pointing out the silliness of that meme.
    Post fat pictures of trump all you want, it doesn’t bother me and it doesn’t change the facts of draft deferent. 
    Biden didn't get a letter from his doctor saying he had bone spurs...and then was unable to say which foot he had bone spurs in.

    There's a difference. Lots of people got deferrals...very few got fake letters from their doctors
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,769
    mace1229 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mace1229 said:
    Bentleyspop said:

    Didn’t Biden get 1 more military deferment that Trump?
    What’s your point? It’s POOTWH and Zelensky. Did President Biden get a deferment or two or three?

    But I’ll digress and ask you, how many POOTWH kids have served their nation? 

    I’ll await the spin
    My point is why make fun of trump for the same thing Biden did even more? My guess is everyone sharing that tweet has no idea Biden deferred more times that Trump.
    The difference is that Biden supports Ukraine while tfg supports a murderous dictator.
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,529
    edited February 2022
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    At what point should the NHL be boycotted? It is absurd star Russian athletes make millions on the backs of a free American economy and taxpayer financed arenas when their leader threatened us with a nuke.
    What a take.

    Let’s just hand their elite athletes tens of millions of dollars in taxpayer funded arenas. Nothing screams fight for  freedom louder.
    By that token, do you also think that during the unjust Iraq invasion in 2003 that the international community should have thrown out any US person playing sports that were paid hefty from their countries? Students too? Banning US artists from touring? Regular citizens too?

    You US citizens made a lot of cash of the free European economy and taxpayer whatever during that war.
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,367
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mace1229 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Defending the wrong side of history. So proud.


    Please show me where I defended trump. All I said was if you’re going to make fun of trump for deferring the draft, you should know Biden did it 1 more time. That’s not defending draft dodging, it’s pointing out the silliness of that meme.
    Post fat pictures of trump all you want, it doesn’t bother me and it doesn’t change the facts of draft deferent. 
    President Biden is still fit for the draft. And as CIC, is serving his nation while POOTWH is an enemy within.  But same/same.


    They don’t draft 79 year olds. Anywhere.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,031
    mace1229 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mace1229 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Defending the wrong side of history. So proud.


    Please show me where I defended trump. All I said was if you’re going to make fun of trump for deferring the draft, you should know Biden did it 1 more time. That’s not defending draft dodging, it’s pointing out the silliness of that meme.
    Post fat pictures of trump all you want, it doesn’t bother me and it doesn’t change the facts of draft deferent. 
    President Biden is still fit for the draft. And as CIC, is serving his nation while POOTWH is an enemy within.  But same/same.


    They don’t draft 79 year olds. Anywhere.
    Gee, I didn’t know that. Really?
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,367
    Gern Blansten said:
    mace1229 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Defending the wrong side of history. So proud.


    Please show me where I defended trump. All I said was if you’re going to make fun of trump for deferring the draft, you should know Biden did it 1 more time. That’s not defending draft dodging, it’s pointing out the silliness of that meme.
    Post fat pictures of trump all you want, it doesn’t bother me and it doesn’t change the facts of draft deferent. 
    Biden didn't get a letter from his doctor saying he had bone spurs...and then was unable to say which foot he had bone spurs in.

    There's a difference. Lots of people got deferrals...very few got fake letters from their doctors
    Bid had a letter from his doctor too.
    there’s lots of things to complain. About with Trump. I just don’t see the point in complaining about his draft doffing while simultaneously defending Biden’s.
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,529
    edited February 2022


    Swedish Football Association.: The mens national football team of Sweden will not play against Russia - no matter where the game is held. We also urge FIFA to cancel all the play-off games during march which Russia is playing.

    "The illegal and deeply unjust invasion of Ukraine currently makes all football exchanges with Russia impossible. We therefore call on FIFA to decide that the playoff matches in March in which Russia participates are cancelled. But no matter what FIFA chooses to do, we will not play Russia in March," said Karl-Erik Nilsson, president of the Swedish Football Association.

    "We find it hard to believe that FIFA will not heed our call. Russia cannot be involved as long as this madness continues.

    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,442
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Defending the wrong side of history. So proud.


    Good lord. Is this the Ukraine thread? Or the Trump meme thread? 
    It’s the loosen the belt to defend Ukraine thread, after someone ties his shoes. Manly, no?
    I guess? I don’t know. Maybe? 
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,529

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    Lerxst1992 said:
    At what point should the NHL be boycotted? It is absurd star Russian athletes make millions on the backs of a free American economy and taxpayer financed arenas when their leader threatened us with a nuke.
    Maybe stop buying Russian Oil and Gas…because that’s what’s financing this war…
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,529
    edited February 2022
    Meltdown99 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    At what point should the NHL be boycotted? It is absurd star Russian athletes make millions on the backs of a free American economy and taxpayer financed arenas when their leader threatened us with a nuke.
    Maybe stop buying Russian Oil and Gas…because that’s what’s financing this war…
    HEY HEY HEY! That is just onebridge too far for Germany. In the age of a fucked climate, let's keep heating by (russian) gas
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,529

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:


    Swedish Football Association.: The mens national football team of Sweden will not play against Russia - no matter where the game is held. We also urge FIFA to cancel all the play-off games during march which Russia is playing.

    "The illegal and deeply unjust invasion of Ukraine currently makes all football exchanges with Russia impossible. We therefore call on FIFA to decide that the playoff matches in March in which Russia participates are cancelled. But no matter what FIFA chooses to do, we will not play Russia in March," said Karl-Erik Nilsson, president of the Swedish Football Association.

    "We find it hard to believe that FIFA will not heed our call. Russia cannot be involved as long as this madness continues.

    Poland refuse to play Russia in 2022 World Cup playoff game (espn.com)
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