Ukraine

Jearlpam0925

Boy is there some whataboutism and Stockholm Syndrome baked into these statements lol

Jearlpam0925

This is like when people say "if Obama wasn't President we never would have gotten Trump" lol and the justification behind it. The mental gymnastics yeesh

cincybearcat

Jearlpam0925 said:

Boy is there some whataboutism and Stockholm Syndrome baked into these statements lol

Do tell.  I am actually surprised I received several rapid fire responses on this.  Obama did laugh off Russia as a threat.  And now we have MAGA pretending Russia is the victim instead of the aggressor.  We have come a long way from when all Americans (or most anyhow) understood the threat Russia is/was/will be.  

Tim Simmons

My issue is that the statement made it seem that they were apples to apples comparisons, when really its that both are just fruit, to stick with the analogy. 

The lack of Obama urgency and seriousness is in no way comparable to what MAGA thinks about Russia or Putin. Obama knew Putin was a threat, but it can also be that Putin pulled back knowing that Obama was a threat to him. Trump was always in Putins corner even before his run in 2015. So Putin got bolder and MAGA got warmer. But the 2 approaches to Russia are in now way similar. 

cincybearcat

Tim Simmons said:

My issue is that the statement made it seem that they were apples to apples comparisons, when really its that both are just fruit, to stick with the analogy. 

The lack of Obama urgency and seriousness is in no way comparable to what MAGA thinks about Russia or Putin. Obama knew Putin was a threat, but it can also be that Putin pulled back knowing that Obama was a threat to him. Trump was always in Putins corner even before his run in 2015. So Putin got bolder and MAGA got warmer. But the 2 approachers to Russia are in now way similar.

Yeah wasn't my intent to make the equal in anyway.  Just that it is crazy that the MAGA of today aligns more closely with Obama's opinion of Russia in 2012 then it does their own party.  Freakin MAGA has changed the GOP from "tear down that wall", to "tear down your neighbors wall and build a condo"

Lerxst1992

Jearlpam0925 said:

This is like when people say "if Obama wasn't President we never would have gotten Trump" lol and the justification behind it. The mental gymnastics yeesh

“ It was April of 2011. For weeks, Donald Trump had been fanning the flames of the “birther” movement and attacking President Barack Obama on television — demanding that Obama produce his birth certificate, implying that he was not born in the United States, and questioning both his religious identity and the legality of his presidency.

But on April 30, the tables were turned. Trump was the recipient of President Obama’s jokes at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner — and Trump political adviser Roger Stone tells FRONTLINE in The Choice 2016that the dinner was a turning point for Trump.

“I think that is the night he resolves to run for president,” Stone says in the opening scene of FRONTLINE’s two-hour documentary on Trump and Clinton, which premieres on Tues., Sept. 27 at 9 p.m. EST/8 p.m. CST on PBS stations nationwide.

“I think that he is kind of motivated by it: ‘Maybe I’ll just run. Maybe I’ll show them all,’” Stone adds.

…

definitely maybe.

OnWis97

Without Obama, we don't get Trump.

That doesn't make it Obama's fault.

Merkin Baller

cincybearcat said:

Tim Simmons said:

My issue is that the statement made it seem that they were apples to apples comparisons, when really its that both are just fruit, to stick with the analogy. 

The lack of Obama urgency and seriousness is in no way comparable to what MAGA thinks about Russia or Putin. Obama knew Putin was a threat, but it can also be that Putin pulled back knowing that Obama was a threat to him. Trump was always in Putins corner even before his run in 2015. So Putin got bolder and MAGA got warmer. But the 2 approachers to Russia are in now way similar.

Yeah wasn't my intent to make the equal in anyway.  Just that it is crazy that the MAGA of today aligns more closely with Obama's opinion of Russia in 2012 then it does their own party.  Freakin MAGA has changed the GOP from "tear down that wall", to "tear down your neighbors wall and build a condo"

Obama was a Putin sympathizer / apologist? 

cincybearcat

Merkin Baller said:

cincybearcat said:

Tim Simmons said:

My issue is that the statement made it seem that they were apples to apples comparisons, when really its that both are just fruit, to stick with the analogy. 

The lack of Obama urgency and seriousness is in no way comparable to what MAGA thinks about Russia or Putin. Obama knew Putin was a threat, but it can also be that Putin pulled back knowing that Obama was a threat to him. Trump was always in Putins corner even before his run in 2015. So Putin got bolder and MAGA got warmer. But the 2 approachers to Russia are in now way similar.

Yeah wasn't my intent to make the equal in anyway.  Just that it is crazy that the MAGA of today aligns more closely with Obama's opinion of Russia in 2012 then it does their own party.  Freakin MAGA has changed the GOP from "tear down that wall", to "tear down your neighbors wall and build a condo"

Obama was a Putin sympathizer / apologist? 

More closely....sheesh this is tiring.  MAGA are Putin apologist....that is clsoer to Obama thinking Russia isn't an adversary vs Romney GOP position at the time that they are the biggest threat to the USA.  Regardless, I'm done here. 

mrussel1

cincybearcat said:

Merkin Baller said:

cincybearcat said:

Tim Simmons said:

My issue is that the statement made it seem that they were apples to apples comparisons, when really its that both are just fruit, to stick with the analogy. 

The lack of Obama urgency and seriousness is in no way comparable to what MAGA thinks about Russia or Putin. Obama knew Putin was a threat, but it can also be that Putin pulled back knowing that Obama was a threat to him. Trump was always in Putins corner even before his run in 2015. So Putin got bolder and MAGA got warmer. But the 2 approachers to Russia are in now way similar.

Yeah wasn't my intent to make the equal in anyway.  Just that it is crazy that the MAGA of today aligns more closely with Obama's opinion of Russia in 2012 then it does their own party.  Freakin MAGA has changed the GOP from "tear down that wall", to "tear down your neighbors wall and build a condo"

Obama was a Putin sympathizer / apologist? 

More closely....sheesh this is tiring.  MAGA are Putin apologist....that is clsoer to Obama thinking Russia isn't an adversary vs Romney GOP position at the time that they are the biggest threat to the USA.  Regardless, I'm done here. 

Wait, what was the middle thing you said earlier?

mickeyrat

https://www.threads.net/@kyivpost.official/post/DG30sOwM1gM?xmt=AQGzvsCN8eC4zL2Ao_nizItokyLs0S6ZGpXUlR-AxT4fiw

Italian PM Meloni proposed extending NATO’s Article 5 to Ukraine without full membership.

“This is not NATO accession but an expansion of the security umbrella that NATO countries have, including in Ukraine.”

mickeyrat

The destruction of the US Defense industry continues as Denmark signs a deal with Norway to replace its US-made Harpoon missiles with Norwegian variants.

And the best part? Denmark sent ts US missiles to Ukraine.

mickeyrat

French Eutelsat is preparing to replace Starlink in Ukraine and plans to send about 40,000 communication terminals.

HughFreakingDillon

Obama saying that was also 13 years ago. 

mickeyrat

"A ballistic missile struck an ordinary hotel. Just before the attack, volunteers from a humanitarian organization – citizens of Ukraine, the United States, and the United Kingdom – had checked into the hotel."
-President Zelenskyy

mickeyrat

Turkey says it will join Europe and Canada in deploying troops to Ukraine to ensure a lasting peace.

- Reuters

mickeyrat

https://www.threads.net/@helin_fi/post/DG3pvNQgIAZ?xmt=AQGzHwm-uFMuteqbs99SeV7Fr571oY6JAV14fkrs6DWhKg

Today, the Chinese said they are against peace talks without the EU and Ukraine. This statement carries a lot of weight. It means that any agreement that Trump and Putin agree on will have no international weight or acceptability. Certainly not without the EU and Ukraine, and now powerful China.

"For China, Europeans are partners, not rivals." This was stated by Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi at the Munich Conference. This statement was not at all accidental, and now its meaning is ⬇️
MAGA

BF25394

cincybearcat said:

MAGA the pro-russian party....never thought I'd see it. 

I keep going back to Obama debating Romney....Romney saying Russia was the biggest threat to the USA and Obama laughing him off.  I never thought that MAGA and Obama would be aligned.

We shoulda listened to Romney.

The difference is that Obama admits that he underestimated Russia and that Romney had a point. That was at a time (2012) when Medvedev was president and was putting forward a very different public and diplomatic face even though Putin as Prime Minister was the power behind the throne. Obama writes about this in his memoir. MAGA is siding with Russia because Trump is siding with Russia, and they'll never admit that they're wrong because that would mean admitting that their Dear Leader is wrong.

mickeyrat

https://www.threads.net/@tsua_23/post/DG1_ry1CIpR?xmt=AQGzexK6824OyysQUHOVZbNS8aILueefsVRasZHQJZJWYQ

The Patriot air defense system is the most important component in US military aid to Ukraine. Operaters of the system would like to thank the American people for their support. Thank you🙏🇺🇲🇺🇦

HughFreakingDillon

mickeyrat said:

https://www.threads.net/@helin_fi/post/DG3pvNQgIAZ?xmt=AQGzHwm-uFMuteqbs99SeV7Fr571oY6JAV14fkrs6DWhKg

Today, the Chinese said they are against peace talks without the EU and Ukraine. This statement carries a lot of weight. It means that any agreement that Trump and Putin agree on will have no international weight or acceptability. Certainly not without the EU and Ukraine, and now powerful China.

"For China, Europeans are partners, not rivals." This was stated by Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi at the Munich Conference. This statement was not at all accidental, and now its meaning is ⬇️
MAGA

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