Will Pearl Jam join Neil Young in leaving Spotify?

PB11041

Neil has not exactly been mister scientific when it comes to GMOs, he has been knee deep in conspiracy theories there.

bootlegger10

ComeToTX said:

It has nothing to do with free speech. 

I just don’t understand how people are so eager to cede control to corporations.  The government shouldn’t tell people what they can or cannot say but people are fine if 8 CEO’s that control 90% of the communication platforms can have that power.  

bootlegger10

Spiritual_Chaos said:

shorty4568 said:

The idea that Neil would use his catalog as leverage to get someone else's content removed is a bad precedent. If you don't think so, what if the tables were turned? What if Monsanto was using their money, power and influence to get Neil's catalog removed from streaming services?  Would that stop you from enjoying Neil's music or would you find alternative ways of consuming his content? Likely causing you to consume less new music from other artists and more of Neil Young's catalog.

This is why pressuring platforms to remove content you disagree with is unlikely to have the results you desire. Since you stay with service "A" consuming more content that reinforces your beliefs and the removed content moves to service "B" along with their audience consuming more content the reinforces their beliefs. This leaves society fractured, more entrenched and unlikely to be exposed to any ideas that doesn't confirm their beliefs. 

bootleg said:

I thought Neil was a freedom of speech guy?  If you truly are then you should to be for it even when you don’t like what is being said.  Don’t like this take from Neil and hope PJ would not do the same. 

musicismylife78 said:

bootleg said:

I thought Neil was a freedom of speech guy?  If you truly are then you should to be for it even when you don’t like what is being said.  Don’t like this take from Neil and hope PJ would not do the same. 

Theres a meme going around of what hippies in 1968 said and believed and what hippies in 2022 say and believe.  Anti Authoritarian, question authority, do your own thing, became shut up, do what the government says and fall in line.  Calling out that hypocrisy isnt wrong, those people who say that is a clear double standard have legitimate grievances.  

bootlegger10 said:

There is no perfect mix.  Free speech has its flaws and government (even more so large corporations that control communication platforms) controlled speech has its flaws.

I would rather allow free speech and discussion knowing that negative effects of the alternative are much, much worse.  It is like people want the US to be like China where only one viewpoint can be discussed.

So if Pearl Jam was to play Bonnaroo, but then Bonnaroo decided to add a bunch of White power music to the lineup and having a stack of limited edition numbered Mein Kampf books and accompanying litographs at the merch tables - then Pearl Jam would be wrong to cancel because of this precious freedom of speech you speak of?

Help me understand.

That is a good point.  I would be perfectly okay with PJ backing out and would support them backing out. 

I guess my thought here would be that it is a medical issue and not a discrimination issue.   Misinformation sucks but the alternative of only government provided info sucks too.  

You make a good point though.  

RiotAct10

Hate to say it, but I don't think Neil doing this will make a difference, and PJ joining him won't either. Now if Drake, Ed Sheeran, Justin Beiber and Taylor Swift want to speak up.....

OceansJenny

Lol of course Neil leaving will do nothing. Guarantee more people listen to Rogan than Neil on Spotify.

lexicondevil

Sometimes you need to stand up for something. I applaud Neil and hope PJ follow his example.

JBob87

Neil is also in a unique position to do something like this due to his NYA subscription service and the income it brings him. And the service will probably gain subscribers if he goes off Spotify. 

Would be terrible for consumers if artists all started splintering off onto 100 different platforms similar to what is happening with TV. 

Edved82

WindowPaine said:

Edved82 said:

bootleg said:

I thought Neil was a freedom of speech guy?  If you truly are then you should to be for it even when you don’t like what is being said.  Don’t like this take from Neil and hope PJ would not do the same. 

It's nothing to do with free speech. Rogan is talking unsubstantiated shit about vaccines that will likely cost lives. If Neil doesn't want to be associated with a platform that allows this misinformation, then that's his own call.

unsubstantiated shit such as?

One example would be him talking about COVID not causing myocarditis in younger people - myocarditis is an exceptionally rare side effect of MRNA vaccines, but you're many many times more likely to get it from COVID-19 than you are from a vaccine. He was actually fact checked live on air and backpedalled immediately. People that have a listenership of millions shouldn't be pretending to be medical professionals. 

igotid88

You guys can also cancel your subscriptions instead of asking/demanding artists to take their music off the platform. I'm sure you guys will buy their albums

bobby dazzlers

Edved82 said:

 People that have a listenership of millions shouldn't be pretending to be medical professionals. 

This.

I'll still watch Rogen on NewsRadio...that show was tops.

Abe Froman

This has everything to do with free speech. People have lost their minds over Covid. This move by Neil makes me sad. 

CROJAM95

The right side of the coin always needs 100% effectiveness on ALL issues

covid
guns
healthcare
etc etc 

everything

if you could improve those and other issues by 75-80% it’s never good enough

They just sabotage things to keep themselves relevant

Ledbetterman10

Well I saw Spiritual Chaos post about it
Then I saw ole Neil, puttin' Rogan down
Well I hope Neil Young will remember
Spotify don't need him around anyhow


"They can have Rogan or Young" is so laughable. I don't care much for Rogan's podcast, and I do like a few Neil Young songs, but that's me. To Spotify, a company that wants to make money, they're probably going to choose the guy that brings in 11 millions listeners per podcast, over the an artist that brings in just over 6 million listeners per month, few of which, I assume, use Spotify primarily to listen to him.

Now, if this was was 1972 instead of 2022, and we were talking about a Canadian rock radio station instead of a digital streaming leader, maybe Neil's "threat" here would be taken seriously.

tdawe

Abe Froman said:

This has everything to do with free speech. People have lost their minds over Covid. This move by Neil makes me sad. 

It has everything to do with “free speech”, which means it really has nothing to do with free speech. If you believe that Joe Rogan has a “freedom of speech” interest in having Spotify’s platform available to him, then you also have to believe that Neil Young has a “freedom of speech” interest in loudly removing his content from that platform to make a point. I don’t think there’s a coherent way to accuse Young of violating any conception of anyone’s “freedom of speech” without imposing some equal and opposite restrictions on his same
interests. 

Spiritual_Chaos

Ledbetterman10 said:

Well I saw Spiritual Chaos post about it
Then I saw ole Neil, puttin' Rogan down
Well I hope Neil Young will remember
Spotify don't need him around anyhow


"They can have Rogan or Young" is so laughable. I don't care much for Rogan's podcast, and I do like a few Neil Young songs, but that's me. To Spotify, a company that wants to make money, they're probably going to choose the guy that brings in 11 millions listeners per podcast, over the an artist that brings in just over 6 million listeners per month, few of which, I assume, use Spotify primarily to listen to him.

Now, if this was was 1972 instead of 2022, and we were talking about a Canadian rock radio station instead of a digital streaming leader, maybe Neil's "threat" here would be taken seriously.

In what way is it a threat? He has told his people to get him off the service. A threat would be "OR I will have my people..."

You are reading it wrong of you believe Neil believes that Spotify would pick him over Rogan. 

He is taking a stand.

Rewatch the third X-men movie and learn something, instead of making up new verses for Kid Rock-songs.

Ledbetterman10

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Well I saw Spiritual Chaos post about it
Then I saw ole Neil, puttin' Rogan down
Well I hope Neil Young will remember
Spotify don't need him around anyhow


"They can have Rogan or Young" is so laughable. I don't care much for Rogan's podcast, and I do like a few Neil Young songs, but that's me. To Spotify, a company that wants to make money, they're probably going to choose the guy that brings in 11 millions listeners per podcast, over the an artist that brings in just over 6 million listeners per month, few of which, I assume, use Spotify primarily to listen to him.

Now, if this was was 1972 instead of 2022, and we were talking about a Canadian rock radio station instead of a digital streaming leader, maybe Neil's "threat" here would be taken seriously.

In what way is it a threat? He has told his people to get him off the service. A threat would be "OR I will have my people..."

You are reading it wrong of you believe Neil believes that Spotify would pick him over Rogan. 

He is taking a stand.

Rewatch the third X-men movie and learn something, instead of making up new verses for Kid Rock-songs.

That's why I put "threat" in quotations. 

Of course Neil doesn't think he'd be chosen over Rogan, which is what makes his....I won't use "threat"...."ultimatum" maybe? That's what makes his ultimatum so laughable. He could've said "I'm leaving Spotify because I don't want to be on the same platform as Joe Rogan." But instead he said "they can have Rogan or Young, not both." 

patkelly12

Here's hoping the next Farm Aid is sponsored by Pfizer.

JimmyV

Fully understand not wanting to be on the same platform as Rogan.

Spiritual_Chaos

JimmyV said:

Fully understand not wanting to be on the same platform as Rogan.

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ComeToTX

I never would have believed 10 years ago that people would take medical advice from Joe Rogan and that Donald Trump would be worshiped by Republicans.  Truly bizarro world.